 Katrina Sherrill and Joyce will be up on around 6.30 and perhaps a little earlier. But Sherrill, why don't we go ahead and let's see if there's any public comments. Sherrill. The booster property sold by private sale. The delinquent taxes on that were 85, 38, 32. And that included delinquent and current taxes. And $1,200, $1,270 in attorney fees were not paid at the time of the sale, but I believe that they were paid by the new owner today. That was the sale of what, Sherrill? It was sold for... The booster property. The booster. A little bit on the road grants, the class 4 grants that you saw when they were going around and we took advantage of last year as well. We had the Williams Road done on a shear and another road, I forgot it was. The militia was this year, $7,143 and Jones Brook Road, $12,000. And in progress to do later this year is the Mountain Road and the Common Road. They're in progress now, adding some fillings of stone to line the ditches. Dumb question. Why are those called class 4 road grants when those aren't class 4 roads? Well, they tend, they class 4 roads, they go on to the other roads and there's erosion problems that are leading into that. So they're not specifically class 4 roads. And you're going to see more, if you attend the meeting on Thursday, I think, you'll see more, there's 50 more sites that they're talking about, some of those are some of these sites that have been fixed already. High Road Union Unified School District reimbursed a town of $2,105 so far from the mowing. They owe us $4,180 for half of the tennis court so we'll be receiving that. They're building for those today. We have the equipment grant for $5,000 for the two cameras for the dump truck and four new uniforms for the fire department. And I talked with Dick Hosking the other day and he agreed to give us the additional funds needed for doing the repairs that Dubois is doing on Lovers Lane and he said Dubois is doing an excellent job. So that's just about done from what I understand. Martin just has to get the state down there and approve the sign-off on it, make sure that... Yeah, but the road itself, I think, is pretty much done. Yes. Mark Glavin from Galliber Acres is in the process. He called me and he asked me the process for taking loan from Galliber Acres. I told him the process was that they had to bring the road up to Class 3 standards to be approved by the state. I advised him to call Dick Hosking to come down and meet with him and give him an estimate on how many feet of what would be needed, the width of that in Class 3 road. So Dick Hosking has been talking with him. It's going to be a lot of money for them if they decide to take that over and do it. But just wanted to give you the heads up that that's a possibility that they'll be asking you to take that over. Question on that. So what is the policy on that? I don't think it's a mandate that we have to take that road. It is not a mandate. It is a mandate that you would have to consider it. We do have a road policy that was adopted in the 1980s or whatever. You could take a look at that. There are requirements, statute for laying out the road and what the process is. The state recommends that the road not exceed 3 rod wide. Basically the select board has the authority to make it narrower if you want or make it wider if you want. That's the state's recommendation. So I mean there's hearings. The select board can consider what if that's going to put a burden on the town. You know we need extra equipment or extra manpower or whatever. So it's quite the process. Mr. Blavin has been sent the A76 standards. These are the state standards that he'll need to bring that up. To code and a copy of the orange, what do they call it, from the state of Vermont in the Orange Highway book. Which lists the standards for class 3 roads. Moretown Heights was the last time anything like that. And basically it required curving and everything. It's unreal. And that was back in the 80s. And the residents just decided there was no way that they could afford to do that. So I was just going to suggest should they come back or ask us what we're thinking. Why don't we let Martin know that this has been proposed. Okay. And let's ask him for a response just to ask what he thinks it would take for his crew to take that on. So let's just get in front of that so we even have an idea. Because if we might be able to kill these guys it's an undue burden. Really? A quick question on that. That 1980s policy, that's a moretown policy, does that give any guidance to the factors going into the decisions? Is that something you can scan and send around? Yeah. Yeah. Isn't there something in the town we're talking about? Yes. Everything that we have says that the town is not in favor of taking on any more roads. That we have. Oh, we can do that. So I mean it would be an uphill battle. But I might have a question for your last meeting. This one board. Go ahead and take it. This one board approved an Arizona mission to the Grand List for $100,000 to this property. The tax bill went out to this person for their property being in the Grand List for $47,900. I don't think that's right. I think if you were asked to approve that $100,000, the value would go from zero to $100,000 because it failed to be in the Grand List, then $100,000 was added to the Grand List. I don't see how anyone can be built assessed for $47,900. I think this should be built for $100,000. Otherwise, that's not going to match our Grand List. So why would it build $47,900? I don't have any idea but that could be a question for your solicitors. I don't think it's right. We need to just ask the question if it's an error or because it's very clear I'd be able to direct you to this. And I believe within the Grand List it should be assessed for $100,000. That's what you approve. That is correct. So let's follow up on them and ask them why it's not. I wonder what's coming in later. You're in the process of getting a hold from the number for hearing the hold-to-use by number. Right now, John, that's the lady's name and her phone number that you wanted to hold up for them. Paul, awesome. Right now, the Lister's pay is $8,629. Keep that in mind compared to what the poll will be for NEMRQ men. And there'll be a clear proposal or that you send to NEMRQ. Can we have a copy of that so we know exactly what we're doing? Sherilyn called them and she asked them for a poll to do all of the Lister's job. There are only five things by statute that the Lister's have to do. So when I get that, if it's not labeled out there for what he's quoting. Yeah, we'll have to figure exactly what we're quoting, what we're getting. But I know, certainly, one of the things that the Lister's are required by statute is to sign off on the brand list each year. So we would still retain them for those type of duties and it's not how that works, sir. But well, that's up to you whether you put an article to tell me to do away with the Lister's and if that passes or not. If that doesn't pass then that would be their only duty would be to sign off on the brand list. Or if people might be more comfortable with the Lister's continuing to sign off. Right. You can leave it as is, but yeah. And the impetus to this to go out to ask and then remember because of the recent, I guess, why is it that we're looking for this? Was asked at the last meeting. Okay, I wasn't here at the last meeting. Yeah, I was asked at the last meeting to get prices on what it would cost to, let's okay, on what it would cost to have someone else do the Lister's work. All right. And that could be somewhere all we'll see what sort of detail we get in the next meeting. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, I think it worked. This is kind of odd, but the horse farm down on Route 100, old Route 100, down at the Dolly, Martin's ditching down there and he was going to put the conservation mix in the ditch and the property is owned by Mary Lou Duke, Bill Duke. Yeah. And her manager, Barbara Ferris, came out and said that we wouldn't arrive. When I was toxic to the horses, so they asked the town to put down the preferred mix that they want and she went to get that mix, gave Martin three bags of it and wonders if she can get reimbursed from the difference between what it would cost the town to put down the winter rye and what it cost for the grass seed. It's about $225. It's not a winter rye, or putting down the conservation mix. It has some winter rye in it and Martin puts in... There's two different mixes. One, if the conservation mix that we're putting down is more expensive than a winter rye mix. Yes. So if you're comparing prices, you should compare it to the conservation mix price. I did. Okay. And then he puts down a little bit of winter rye too because I catch it quicker. It does. It does. Yeah. So he and I sat down today and figured it was $225 difference if you decide that for better value. You like that much? Well, it's their property. So if they choose to have better grass, that's their expense. So we wouldn't pay the difference between them. We would pay the price for the conservation mix. That's what we're doing. Right. That's... Yeah. So my other question is the mix that we're putting down suitable for use in a ditch, will it grow quick enough that it'll be stable where we've used it? Martin put it down, so... That doesn't answer the question. I guess you have to ask him. I don't know. So how much value does he put towards the seed that we would have used on that spot? This was four bags, $6.5680. So he said the cost difference between what she bought and he bought is $75 a bag. So it's $164.7520 for this. Less $75, so it's about $85. Yeah. So how much is ours? $56. $56? No, ours is about $85. $85. All right. And how many bags do we typically use for how much? He would use three bags. All right, so $255, right? $225 was was what he said to pay her if you're going to pay for it. That's what the difference would be. He said the difference between this and what he uses is $75 a bag. And he used three bags. Right, well we were looking to what we would actually use the value that we would put on. Yeah. So, you know, we were using three bags and we were paying $85. Well it was $656, yeah, $656.80 and then thinking about giving her back $225 so it would be for something like that. Is that right? No. No, just whatever we would normally pay. Okay. If he bought three bags or ordered by three bags that's what we would pay them. Yes. Because they bought they brought the whole $225. It's not the difference. That's what the difference between the cost and what we would spend what she spent compared to what we would spend. Oh, we're not looking at that show. What we want to do is spend exactly what we would typically spend and we would buy three bags at $85 a bag. And I didn't do the math but I think I was at $455 or three times. Yeah. So he used three bags. Of her seed. Of her seed and her seed those bags are the same size it's the bags we would buy normally. Yes. Okay. So three times $85. $255. There we go. Yeah. Well $255. He said $75 so. All right. Ten bucks a bag. Well you told us that he pays $85 a bag, right? I didn't say that. Oh. I said the difference was $75 a bag. Yeah. And if he pays $164.20 a bag and the difference is $75 so whatever the difference between that is. So it's $75 a bag. Yes. Yes. Difference. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. So what is a bag difference? Right. The difference is what she has to pay we don't care with the differences. We just won'. So what we'll do is just let him know that we will in asking what we paid for our bag seed and then we will count as that by three and that's what we will give then. So whatever we pay for three bags of seed. And is going to come up to $225. Right. But that's what it comes out to us, okay but whatever three bags of seed costs okay that's what he said today so that's good I guess that's my point yes yeah yeah we pay our share I thought she was that can be a reverse for the whole difference which is what you know originally that's how was presented well she paid 696 with taxes right so we're just paying to what we would normally pay yes yes it's in the dish and our horses aren't eating in the day just to kind of win a ride isn't toxic it's the fungus on it and it's in large quantities so they can't be in a pasture of winter but I don't see where we're gonna ride a ditch most times you don't your horse pens in the ditch I don't know I'm just kind of in the middle here yeah and it's one of those I mean I'm gonna start arguing about yeah those horses mixing one dyes and we're liable for yeah for something like that it's a small one expense just the upcoming meetings stormwater management is Thursday from 1 to 2 30 here and shall you forwarded that well actually did you get the one from Kerry Garvey you got that right yeah okay so we're all okay and then I didn't print all of the sites but I just print the 46 sites that they're talking about and I purchased a spreadsheet of those 46 sites so if you're interested in looking at we have a copy of that for you planning on coming Thursday so you have something to look at first to prioritize the ranking of these sites to talk about funding from the funding that's going to become on these sites we're going to talk about the parking lot that's currently ranked fourth so they've already got a rank on them now that's ranked fourth Fletcher Road the town hall is ranked number one the town garage is ranked number two because of washing the trucks outside the town sand and salt piles are ranked number three and the parking lot is ranked number four and then it goes on the more town mountain road culvert pull off the more town United Methodist Church and run off where did those rankings come from from the environmental assessment done by the biologists from the state of Vermont and Bear Creek so that's in order of impact yes yeah what is this for that's for I'm going to talk about I see in other ERP grant just came out the came up today so we'll talk about that I need to know more to work more than two of you are coming so I can warn it you are yeah I will not be here yeah I like to make it I'm I don't know I don't know just to are you good you're working there maybe three so we'll warn it just okay so all right I'll want it yes I've been sorry sorry no that's all right no the only other thing was the meeting next month but yeah a week from tonight yeah that's it six o'clock so that's our class four road demonstration workshop that's six o'clock so that's a 27 6 p.m. where it's in the field at the top if you go just the first top and that is one of the ones that I mentioned I went to you report that we got seventy one hundred dollars for and that was done because Jonesbrook was done and I didn't want that water coming down and ruining the work that was done actually I won't be here next to me Jason all right so there was a couple things you saw the email from Jonathan Segal about tomorrow night is it tomorrow night this meeting yes I think it's at 6 30 right here and he's having a guest talking about subdivision by laws and such like that so if anyone can come please do in addition I did have and so I was trying to look at my phone earlier I had an email from Clayton Wetzel and he had questions about squatters four-wheelers raising at night in town rules for four-wheelers so let's just go briefly and we sort of squatters in town there's no one of our laws and we don't allow squatting but I mean it's true but who's property of it huh I haven't got all the water but it's breaks camp but I don't know why they would have talked to Clayton right but it's something like that where do we think we just hand that over to the state police or where does what's the analysis on that I would guess I mean if it's on his property the only question I'd have any towns have ordinances about squatters I have no idea because usually the property owners right we have squatters in our hayfield they haven't erected up a corner and put in the library set up and it was our problem or health issue or health and exactly yeah that's what I thought we missed any game correct phone number the first couple days so I wasn't able to touch but I just wanted to touch with those squatters we've never touched about squatters in town so that's all I have as well as far as the four-wheelers I mean he lives on the class four road and we allowed four-wheelers on class four roads I don't think there's any time or hour limit that we stop you from going on class four roads anywhere so it's trucks you know it's just everything over there that likes to go over that yeah I mean there's you know there's quite a few people it's not all young people it's our age or older people get on the car wheels and ride around yeah the people who are down the road that had all the campers they were going all over the places so our roads are open for ATVs class four roads last browser yeah and so Jones wrote this class three so right okay that was like it's my own but we're clean this is possible okay I have seen the state police up and down the road quite a few times I don't think they really stop the four-wheelers if they're with helmets and you know the private reasonably right like every other place and there are people that fly by the house right you know how much and what I'm sure is of course they usually traveling on class three to get to class four yeah I do I do myself is there a general speed if they're not posted that's 50 thanks well let's move move ahead we have so before Joyce moves up let's approve the minutes for August 6th 2018 I like more for those minutes any further discussion all the favor but I Thank you for taking the time to come outside. Sure. Thank you for having me. I'm sorry I'm just slow. I've been on vacation a bit. Good for you, yeah. So you had two specific concerns. So maybe I'll address those first. One was speeding one over two to near down for acres and I'm really well back because I come home every day to work on that route. And secondly, I'm at 100B near the Maynard snack bar. Which someone said is closed. Is it closed? Right. It is closed. Yeah, but it has to do with Jerry Maynard walking across the street to get the mail and so on. Right. And senior citizens in particular because of who lives there? Yes. So in the meantime, between you coming in and now, I've talked to Dick Hoskins about putting up signage. Oh, great. Snack bar. They're going to include a traffic study in that to see if it's over the speed limit. And they're going to do a traffic study over by Gallagher-Eckers again too. Oh, great. I mean, I told them to take into consideration all the homes that are there now when they're doing their traffic study and the impact. Yes. So we'll see what happens. Okay. So are you happy with that? I mean, that's the solution. That's the only solution. Well, so I've got six things on my list. So I got a stop at an attack meeting and people have lost my guess. So signage was number one. Number two, talk to the state police about enforcement. Number three, do the folks on 100B near the snack bar need a sidewalk and a crossing lane actually? No. I don't think so. No. No. Okay. I mean, like in Watesfield, there are signs that like pedestrian signs, above and beyond having a crosswalk. So that's all I've got. Okay. So those are just a traffic counter. If you want them to know how many cars you're going to buy at what speed. Yeah. That's what they'll be doing. Okay. And then there's a radar sign that can be solar powered. And those we can have for a certain period of time. Well, I think I have to pay a little bit. Is it that one I have to pay for? I think so. Okay. Yeah. Okay. And then somebody suggested looking at crash data, which is on a website somewhere. I can find it if I need to. But I don't think crash data is the problem. I think if you're doing that study, I mean, that'll be really, everything, no matter what comes around to everyone, so we'll do a study. So this is kind of the start I think of that. Good. Okay. But in the meantime, we can talk to the state police about enforcement. Are you familiar with the Waterbury hiring under contract with the state police? They did. What? Did they do it? I believe they did it. Yeah. They did it. Yeah. I was in Waterbury Saturday night, and I noticed the police presence, the state police presence. I seen them all the time. Yeah. So yeah, I definitely, they must have hired them because they hadn't been there before. I knew that they were talking about it to help out. Mm-hmm. Now that they no longer have their own. Yeah. So are there other concerns that I should know about? Or I can talk to you generally about what we've been doing on the TAC, which has been more interesting than sometimes. Maybe. I want to give us an idea of what's going on. Sure. So something of interest to me was that Dave Pelletier from AOT came in to talk about their long-range plan, which I thought was pretty interesting because they haven't always taken into account the goal that Vermont has set for itself to get to 90% renewable energy by 2050. And so there are a lot of questions raised about that. And also they haven't really talked a whole lot about the demographic change that's coming to Vermont, which means a lot more over 65. And what is that? Geo-transfiguration. Yeah. Sorry. There are a bunch of questions about that. We talked to GMT about ridership trends. And one of the more interesting topics was that GMT is moving to what they call complementary ADA service. So folks with disabilities will be able to call GMT if they live within three quarters of a mile of an established route. And they can request door-to-door service provided by volunteers. Yeah, I don't know how this is going to work. So they had tried to just arrange to have a bus deviate from a route up to three quarters of a mile to pick up somebody with disabilities from their home. But that was causing delays and scheduling and it wasn't working out so well. So now they're going to try this volunteer service. So many eyebrows were raised. But we'll see what happens. Do we have any routes or any stops in town and all this? It's just out on the, you know, they get off at the exit there and pick up here in Middlesex, but nothing to do with it. Nothing comes down through here. Except during the ski season. So who is going to head up or whatever? The volunteers. The volunteers. I mean, who is going to? They've had ads on front porch volunteers. Looking for volunteer drivers. I don't know if that works. Yeah. Maybe we'll go along with the demographics of the older people who are retired having more time. Maybe. We shall see. We have an interesting presentation about the Emerald Ash border. And of course it has been discovered in Vermont and Allen. I didn't want to. I didn't want to. I didn't want to, too. Yeah. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That corner. Ah. Yeah. So it's going to be bad. And you can inoculate trees individually, but it's very expensive to do so. Once the ash board gets into a tree, it's hopeless. The trees are going to die. Something like 1% of trees survive after having been infected. So, generally, all the ash trees are going to die. They give you a timeline on when it's infected to the time that it dies. So it's probably three to five years. Oh, it's quick. And yeah, they were really surprised that Vermont had been spared for so long because it has been all around, you know, Canada, Maine, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, New York. So Vermont has been lucky, though. Vermont has always been known to cut a lot of ash. Huh. Because. No. Now they have to cut it all. Yeah. Before it's. So once they take down a story tree, have they gone or have the trees grown back? Um, so the tree would be subject to the next ash board that flies by. We're like, what? And it's cutting down all the city trees. Yeah. But I mean, you can't. It's something else. Yeah, and they're recommending that property owners cut their ash trees down. But I mean, you can't force a property owner to do that. At least at this point. Hmm. So the plan is to get rid of all the ash trees in Vermont? No. No, no, not necessarily. I mean, that's just rotten. That's what they're doing. And I know Montpager's not an opportunity. He seems to be a general thing. Yeah. And I was talking about cutting all the ash trees. Yeah. And I'm sure that the foresters are going along with that because they're not worth anything. They're kind of junk. Right. They're a beach. They're good for fire, but that's about it. They have no value. They actually have less value than a beach tree because the beach tree has a beach nuts and it takes a lot of life. The ash doesn't do anything. Maybe the state will ask us to hire some to cut all the beach trees in town. So be careful for me. I'm sorry. I don't understand what the benefit is. I mean, if you could lose all the ash trees. It's very unsettling to have dead trees and then dangerous, right? Then dangerous, yeah. All right. Yep. We talked about the Winooski Basin Plan. More wastewater runoff problems than not. So that was interesting to see how it all ends up in the Winooski, which then feeds into action. Yep. And finally, I just want to mention that I'm now a member of the town plan subcommittee of the Central Vermont Regional Planning Commission. Nice. So I'm in the process of reading the Orange Town Plan, which is in draft form right now, but it's pretty interesting, actually, to read. It's also very long. And I was wondering when more town plan is due for... Just a minute. Just a minute. Okay. Probably another four years. Good. Good, good. I think it was last year. We had a vote on that, wasn't it? Last year? Yeah. It was before I started. Well, then last year and a half or so. Yeah. Good. All right. All right. That's it for me. Okay. Any questions for Joyce? So are you involved in the Mad River? The Mad River runoff basin? The Mad River... So I haven't been involved. Should I be involved? Well, it sounds like reading up the Winooski basin. So we had a presentation by somebody in state government, whose job it is to look at the whole Winooski basin. So we were looking at, you know, a wide swath of Vermont, and then we came out of the valley, I noticed. Yeah. We thought I shouldn't tell anything particular on the river. Because the plan that is being presented involves route two, and it involves over the mountain, and it involves CVRPC. So I didn't know if it doesn't involve TAP then, huh? Well, TAP is informed because all the roads are part of the problem, of course. They should. Yeah. So there's a meeting. The next meeting is here on the 23rd from 1 to 230. That's... That's the Thursday meeting we were talking about. Yeah. Yeah. If you're interested at all, it just happens to people who work for these Thursday afternoon 1 to 230 meetings. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's why the meeting is here. Yeah, right. I don't know. I can't really answer that, but that's something we might want to talk to Pam DeAndre about. Yeah, I think you can boost participation if you have. Yeah, I would. Yeah. And even means not that we'd all jump it and take another meeting out, but... Yeah, because for the basin meetings, we have them at 4 o'clock and a half. It's better. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, very early or very late sometimes. Especially if you work in Montpelio, for example. All right. Well, Joyce, thank you very much for taking the time. Thank you. Thank you for taking the time. I'll try to come back later next time. Sorry. Very good. Thank you so much. I'm just going to let you know the next, they call it CWAC is the basin. Okay. CWAC, okay. Okay, that is on the 9th... Yeah, September. And that's at 4 o'clock. 4 o'clock. 4 to 6. At Central will not recalculate. Yeah. Because now in Berlin, they have a bigger price in Berlin. Well, maybe they don't have to. But big news, any big news has moved. Okay, hold these on big news. Okay, this far. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so that's... Good. Thank you. Okay, thanks, Joyce. Yeah, Mike. And Deborah. Of course, I was looking at her and I wanted to make this. Hey, hey, hey. You can have a bath. I made, like, 12 wokers. Slow down. I guess I should have something. I didn't get enough of it. I did. It looks a lot like a screw. You want something? Here, I'll cruise over. I'll get a server to touch you. Take what you want. Wait on the chair. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So you guys are coming in to talk about some budget approaches. And then give us a little update on the tax. Status. Where do you want to start? The budget stuff just so we can get that out of the way. Okay. Who does the top? Cheesy. Let's see if we can change that up. Yeah. You've probably seen the budget. We are over budget. A lot. And our costs are, you know, our little tricks. It's due to the fact that the tax map project was something that neither of us had ever been involved in before. And when we tried to put the budget together last year for this coming year, we were doing our best guess on how much work that we've tailed to be able to complete the project. And clearly we're under arresting the amount of work that we'll be involved to make the project complete. I don't say that lightly. I take our responsibility to do it, but very seriously as does that. But the work was there and needed to be done. Do you think it was because of all the people coming back and looking to grieve their property? That was part of it. You know, in the past, breathing hearings would be a half a day maybe. We had six full days of breathing hearings. Seven days of breathing hearings. And then in the past, if somebody went to BCA, that might have been one meeting. We've already had two days of some meetings with BCA. But it was more than that, too. It was just an incredible amount of time on the computer with data entry. That was our expert on that. And it was really much more than we anticipated. In order to make all the changes on the grand list, you required us to be in two different programs with a dozen different screens in each program. And we were to go back and forth. And as much as we tried to anticipate being able to do that quickly, it required a lot more time than we thought about. I was in here last meeting with them discussing what we've talked about before. And I've always talked about the burdens that are now being placed on the listers and all departments in the town government because of the maintenance of coming down. And I wonder if we have the... And in absolutely no disrespect at all about whether we have all it takes to do all these mandates. You know, you guys do a great job, you do a great job, but you're not a professional in praising properties, doing that little stuff. So we were looking at, does it make sense to have a professional firm do that work? That can streamline it and then evaluate what are the listers. I mean, there's certain things within the state that requires that listers do and we can continue doing those and we can look at switching that around personally. I would like to see us keep listers and have functions of listers stay on. But I want to give you an opinion. What do you think of the job and the futures as something that we should have normally people like ourselves, like me, doing these type of board things or is it somewhere where we kind of move that off to a professional organization? I'm talking again. I think you have sort of three options to move forward. There are some towns where listers that are elected and maybe have real estate experience do all the work. There's other towns where they pushed it all off to professionals to handle all the work. And then there's a situation like our town which I think is a hybrid between the two where, you know, Debra and I do a lot of the administrative work, a lot of the contact with individuals, but we do have a professional through NEMRIC who comes in and does all the assessments for us. The situation that we went through this past year with the tax maps, that once we complete this project, and there's still some more to do when I can talk about that in a second, but once we complete this project, I think we can get back into the situation that we've had in the past couple of years with our hybrid setup where the professional comes in every time we need to do some sort of a new assessment on a piece of property or helps us with current use, which is very intricate and involved. But Debra and I are here weekly to meet with public response and public emails, take phone calls, that kind of thing. Right now, I think that that's what we would recommend continuing, but you're right, Tom, the state is mandating more and more from us and it requires more and more technical expertise, and I think Debra wrote, unless you can find people who are willing to do the job and dedicate the time and effort to learning the information that's necessary, you may have to move to a professional situation. Right now, my feeling and belief is that the most economical way to do it is the hybrid situation that we have right now. If you move to hiring a professional, I'm going to overpay right now for the professional services. And that's if we can kind of take out this year that's kind of gone awry because of what is the tax management. So when I started here or in this position on the select board, we had had the first option, just the listers doing that. Well, I mean, we had a consultant also. Her name escapes me now, I can't. Charlene. Charlene, yes. She was the secretary for the listers. She also worked for PBR, but she was just... Yeah, but I mean, I remember paying some pretty hefty bills. Yeah. So... Yeah. But I don't think anything was getting done and that's why we ended up changing because when I came in there was a pile of stuff that hadn't been done and been neglected for a few different years. So we went with NEMRIC and that's kind of when the listers kind of turned over and it seems to have been working quite smoothly until this tax map issue, which is something we don't do very often. We'll close it when they were again. We'll close it when they were again. No, I mean, the process is to update them yearly and then we won't have to hire a company to do the full project. I do think preparing for... anticipating having to hire a professional to be more involved in town in the future would be wise for the select board to look at. Mike and I are the only listers now. People are beating down our door to be listers. There's supposed to be three of us. So I can certainly see a day when it can be even more challenging to find listers and as it becomes more complex, you know, there's the learning curve in the beginning. And we're very fortunate to have James who makes himself available to us whenever we need that help. But this year has been a lot and the state is asking more of the towns, particularly in current years, which is something that Mike and I will really touch. James takes care of that. So I think we can anticipate more in the future services that we should plan for. Do you think the budget next year would be back to the level it was before this year? Well, that kind of gets to the point that I was moving to before. I'm not completely finished with the tax map project. And the reason that we're not is that I think I explained this last time. You know, the tax map project was a picture in time taken on April 1st, 2016. That is complete. Now we're moving to the point where we need to update from April 1st, 2016 until today. I don't know how much time that's going to demand right now. I guess I'm trying to get a sense of that in communication with CAI and waiting for a response from the procedures and how we go about doing that. Part of that process won't really begin until they have completed the digitization of the tax maps, which they're working on right now. So that effort should be roughly proportional to the number of transactions since April of 2016? Yes, but I hesitate to answer more because, again, it's the other project. And I don't know exactly. We're not trying to falter in any words. Certainly all the transactions that have occurred since April 1st of 2016 need to be looked at and the information needs to be passed along to CAI so they can update the staffs of the tax maps. Some of that may just be as simple as a name change. Which I'm guessing would be pretty quick and pretty easy. Other stuff like subdivisions or dates to the tax maps that we've gone through with new surveys and that kind of stuff that could require more information and some of the deep information that we've been able to get not only require more for us to touch and handle and pass on. So until I get a sense from CAI how the process works, I can't give you an estimate right now, but certainly it will be proportional to some extent to the amount of transactions that we have. Questions on that stuff? Anything on the tax map status? With regard to... Well, I think we've covered it. We're done with the first phase. It's complete. The next project for us is to update from April 1st of 2016. And then we move into the situation where yearly we will update and that will be a much smaller process with just the transactions being created. So once we get past this next phase and this is updated for the past two years, then we'll be into a normal situation on a yearly basis about the tax maps. Is there something with the state? Is there anything here? Oh, the grant money? Yeah, we've applied for a grant. The state is offering grant money for towns that are updating tax maps, but we missed the boat by being too early for the main project. We are in queue to perhaps get a little bit of help with some of the updating that we're doing right now. I think you really don't see it as much to be honest with you. I suspect it might be as little as $1,000 if we're able to get any. I'm not saying that's not the right officials of the town, but it's not going to cover our larger taxes. So we do have one other thing to bring up with you guys. Do you have more questions? I do have one question. I'm not looking for a long answer. Just what's your feeling about the accuracy of the tax maps at this point? I smile because we went through this last time. It's a never-ending project to make tax maps as accurate as we can. But I am confident that they're a whole lot better than we were two years ago. But I'm also equally confident there are still probably things to be fixed. When you have, what are we looking at, 900 parcels, there's probably still some errors and mistakes. And as I said before, a lot of it has to do with just information surfaces in these kinds of situations. We've had people bring surveys out of the woodwork. They were not on file here, or maybe they were on file, but we never were able to locate them. So we'll continue, I believe. But I think that we have a good handle on majority of the parcels in town with confidence that they're a whole lot better than we were a few years ago. And I've found that people would be very understanding in terms of, like, the BCA, we really don't have had that many. Thank you, I agree. And you have been really, for the most part, very pleasant, cooperative and understanding. I have known you for the people in more town by many of this. It's a big project. It's a big thing that we've undertaken here. And so the administrator, I really think this is a very good thing for town going through it. We've really done a good thing for everybody here. And I think that's the importance of having listers. Because of the job that you did, you made people feel at ease and they didn't feel as though they had to go to the BCA. I think it's important having the local touch. And the communication. And someone, a face for people to put it on. Because it's like, who likes Colin anywhere and getting the, you know, the pure California or whatever. You want to talk to someone, you want to see someone. And you don't want that. I mean, our town is small enough that we can still have people come in and see people. Bill, I also want to give CAI credit to you and their office to take information from people from people who've come in and had contact with them that they've been very forthcoming. So I feel as if you made a good choice and the fact that the state chose them as one of the vendors too because now they're doing it all the time. Just to have the curve. Yes, we have two things that we could do. I have one question for you as well. So we have an updated airs and missions and one of them is the first one we gave to you last time. I'll go ahead. I'll answer your question. And then when we were here with you last time, CAI had offered to reduce the price of putting the dimensions on the tax maps. I know that we didn't make a decision at that point but they're pushing us pretty hard right now to come up with a decision. They're at the point where they're creating the digital tax maps and if they don't put the stuff in now as they explained it's gone and lost forever. So what was that going to cost us? $3,000. I'm still not convinced that's exactly right. I just got a letter out to them. I know that but around $3,000 could be a little more. They dropped the price from $5,000 to $10,000. So and I know we talked about this but the reason this is important because it actually puts dimensions on people's properties so that when you're out there you can actually kind of walk because it will. It's beneficial to anybody who has a question as to what happens with my property. How they can come in and look at the tax map and go, oh, look, this line is, it says on the tax map it's 600 feet but I know it's only 500 or something like that. So it will help people first of all see where their property is. If there's any disputes they know exactly what we've said compared to what they think, that kind of thing. It also could be beneficial to zoning administrators down the road to know how dimensions are on different pieces of property when they're looking at developments moving along. So this work would be done fairly soon and when would we be built for it? I've asked them to build this next year and I haven't heard back yet on whether that's a possibility unless you've heard something. I checked it and I haven't heard back yet. That was where I was going with that. If you could possibly get it built next year we could put it in the budget next year. So I move that we would go ahead and do it if they can build it next year. I'll second that. Any further discussion? One thing that comes to mind is if we might be in the same situation as with the tax maps themselves where there will probably be a grant for this purpose in the future and we'll already pay for it. You mean a grant for dimensions? It hasn't served us well to be ahead of the curve. I don't think we have that option because if we lose the data now if we don't do it now then the data goes away. Then if five years down the road the state says, okay we've got a grant now for dimensions I can't imagine it'll cover the whole shooting match. It'll be for the whole thing. I have trouble understanding the idea that the data will actually go away. I don't understand how that would really happen. It sounds more like a sales thing to me. I don't know of course. I don't know if the data will go away or I think that they're going to be printing maps. So the opportunity to print that information on the tax maps once and for all when they're finalized is probably not a shock to do. That should just be a layover. I don't have my computer swollen up and I don't know what they're doing with weapons and they've got lost. This sounds like this is your only opportunity by now and I've never found it. There may be some regulation in terms of what information they're allowed to keep. That's a possibility too. You were at a good point Jason that if we knew there was a crystal wall or if there was something out there it could be five years. It could be nothing. In fact it matters. If we would like the data it would be and I think the motion's a good motion and if it can be paid for next year we can do it otherwise. The data will have to be lost but to Jason's point I'm sure it would be resurrected with the funds from next year or a couple years from now but then it might be more money to do with them as well. I have a recommended motion which is that we, I don't know the wording yet but that we try to negotiate further on the price because it sounds like it's found money to them and they would probably take any reasonable offer. Well I think we can incorporate that or I guess my assumption when I'm dealing with Mike that that's what they're dealing in the best interests of the town and you're going to try to negotiate and get the best deal. Absolutely. Trust me, I'm in that process. Exactly. So basically I'll teach you where you cannot exceed $3,000 if you can do it for less it's in white or whatever but was it $3,000? I know that's what the minutes said but I checked my notes and my notes had a different number. That was the original price. They offered the service before $4,100 now they're willing to offer the service for $3,000. I thought it was five down to four. Anyway I asked them to clarify the price for that response. I suggested that we're very tight on the budget this year and anything they do to help us would be most beneficial in making this move forward and that we need to budget it for next year. Might it help if you could show them that the select board limited the maximum amount to, say, $2,400? Look, you'll call guys. I think if they're willing to wait until next year that's pretty big. If you want to start niggling, they may say, okay fine, pay us now. What were you saying, Tom? No, I think if they can do to the terms that we have that were understanding as from $5,000 whatever it is $4,100 to $3,000 I think in being paid next year I think that's reasonable. Right now the motion is $3,000. No, the motion did not. So I will amend, well we have Jason's motion that didn't get seconded. A motion did not get seconded. So at this point I will withdraw my motion. I will withdraw my second. And I will make a new motion and that's to move not to exceed $3,000 payable next year after the first of the year, next year for the tax amount changes. I'll second that. Any further discussion? All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. All in favor? No. No. That was what we already. So let's just roll these real quick. Okay. First one we're fixing since we're coming up tonight, noise property change value to 314 deducted침 per sale. Yeah. What happened was they sold some land and when we adjusted the land on the property we added it instead of subtracting it the souvenirs are on our party. I mean, Tim and Mary Larson, you, just the opposite added to it, so you. Yeah, we got on there on there, too, for 47 years. Yes, that was the first one, which we. Yeah, it would be probably, yes. All right, very good, thank you. Okay, excuse me. Is there going to be more for Jonathan Larson coming down through for 6.8 acres that was missed, that was, wasn't that Mary and Tim Larson? Maybe. Yeah, three acres, the last one. Maybe, yeah. Well, thanks. Deborah, have a nice day. Thank you very much. Thank you. All right, so we have old business, and we have the historical site, this is one of the largest ones. Yeah, we don't trip on anything here. Are you guys doing tonight? No, I'm doing well, how about you? Yeah, not bad. You ready? Yeah, that's right, great. All right, good. Monday, seven of a Monday already. So I met with the historical society before the meeting tonight, and I did ask them to join us if they wanted to. I mean, what almost I was like, and I don't know if there's anything we need to talk about. I guess the first thing we want to make clear is that the historical site, we're not a bunch of naysayers, but we're very concerned that the town hall is not the right place for the library, because we just haven't seen the evidence that it can be maintained as a community center like for priorities, weddings, dances. We just feel it's going to lose that. It may not lose it immediately, but at some point, even if it's mobile, whatever, they're going to get tired of moving their stuff out of waste, particularly if they have a lot of events set up for like a month, and then if people want to have a reception or whatever, then it's going to be very difficult to maintain that. And in Luludad, the historical society would rather see the town promote the town or if I'm that tired of professional to do the work, as far as getting it, trying to line up events for it, you know, to go down that route. And it doesn't mean like, okay, we're just saying no, it's just that we have not seen any evidence to that fact that that's the rule that we're going down. I think when we first started this, I think we're stressed by this like the word that we wanted to maintain that community part of the town, all right. So what are the other alternatives? Is moving the library building to a way, I've heard that there's a vacant lot, Kingsbury lot, is that an option or what happens if the library doesn't sell and does become a vacant building, there are things like that that we question. And as far as the historical society moving into the current library, it doesn't, it's like apples and oranges, it doesn't make the community, it doesn't make the community part of our concerns. So, yeah, yeah, we don't want to come off as the bad guys, we just want what is best for the community. And we're talking that the library now uses the town hall for a lot of its programs and a lot of its children's activities. And they can still continue to do that and still keep their collection at the library. I mean, they can still have all of their activities at the town hall, but not move all of their collection into the town hall. I'm just, I'm afraid that we are going to lose that building as a community center where you can have weddings or parties or dances. And I'm afraid that if the library does move in there, we're going to lose that capability. So you, did you know? Yeah, I agree that we're kind of, yeah, we did have the same issues, you know, with the loose community building. And so the historical society you guys met before this meeting, right? Yes, we did. How many people were there? Oh, four. Four. So I certainly appreciate the concerns. Of course in the mind, I haven't seen, I haven't seen enough to get as far, to get where you guys are as far as making those decisions that I, you know, it's not going to be suitable for this or that. Right now, I just recently saw the survey that was put out. So it's hard to say things aren't going to be available or used in one way or another because there haven't been any plans made or even real concrete issues. I think there's still a lot of information gathering going on. And you guys have come a couple different times and expressed concern with having public functions there. And I think that's certainly loud and clear. And I think everyone's sitting around this board and feels the same way. But I would certainly like to, you know, before making any decisions, I'd like to get some more information. You know, we haven't heard, you know, how this survey comes out, they're surveying the town. One of the kind of ideas that they, that's out there. And the idea, and it started here around this table and it went for the library, it was not about being exclusive, it was more inclusive and to create something in town. It's not to push people out. I mean, when's the last event we had there? We had one, maybe one event a year, two events a year. I mean, we can say we've done this or could do that, we haven't. I've been in this, let's see, for six years, we've probably done a total of a dozen events there. The building sits there doing nothing. This is why we want an event coordinator during, and we think that's the necessary, really the necessary thing that would make sure that it's used. And as for the cost one way or the other, an event coordinator would get a percentage of what she, you know, what she brought in or he brought in. So it isn't as if it would be costing the town to have an event coordinator. And if the event coordinator wants to make any money, they're going to have to. So you know someone that's willing to work on commission to do this? I know that I don't know anybody now, but I know when the Bundy Center for the Arts did it, that we had somebody there that was doing it. But I doubt the same, I don't know whether the same person's around. But that's how it works. Otherwise, the buildings stay empty. Now the library, if it's the library, of course it's going to be used six days a week, but the electric bill is going to be all, and the heating fuel bill is going to be off the ball because they don't keep it at 50, 60 degrees in the library. They keep it between, well, 75 and 80, I would say, when I go in there, it's hot. And to make the town hall hot seven to six days a week is going to really do any utilities. And so I'm thinking of it too as a taxpayer. And I know what the air conditioning happened in my house with this heat wave, and that's nothing like the town hall. And so it wouldn't save the town any money by doing it, it would cost them more. Because they still have to have something going on. You can't just let the building there, the library, just remain unheated, and totally unheated. You just put it back to 50 or 45 or whatever. But there's a big difference between heating one and heating the other. Yeah, we heated that a couple of years ago. We had someone in there that we used to, I don't know, do you remember when we had the students? Yes, in Harvard. We had the students, so yes, we kind of have a history in order to know what that is. Callie, John, any questions here? No, I think you've raised good points and we don't know any of the answers yet. Can I say one thing? I've worked for an event company before and I don't know any event coordinators that work for commission. They just- They don't do it now? That's a lot of work to do for a commission, especially on a building that has no rental history. I've been employed as an event coordinator and I wouldn't do it in commission. What about the idea of a low salary and then a profit from the- Well, that's different if you have a salary and like a car salesman has a salary and then you get money when you do it. That's different, John. I think there's a lot we can do that we're not doing now and that's a valid point. Yeah, well, no, I have to agree. And then there are events at the town hall and you're not getting any income off of and maybe there should be a fee for everybody that has to be there, even if it's a low rate. Even if it's a- No, no, no. Yeah, but there has been activity there because the lights are on and you hear noise coming out of it so there's something it isn't as if they're only one or two things. You're thinking, you're talking about the big pay ones, not all the others. We don't have any big pay ones. Well, if I did pay one, I mean, I should say the paying one, seven. I just had a thought, it may not be a good thought, but I'll go out there and see what people think. Are there any local businesses we can invite to do a one-day pop-up? Familiar with pop-up stores in general? If we made specific invitations to various semi-local retailers to say, why don't you show up in Moortown on this Saturday in September and we'll publicize it as much as we can, too. Yeah, I mean, it just- So are you trying to get this event coordinator job? Is that what you're working for? I'm very good at my time, Mr. Hook, in here. Well, that's the whole issue, right? I mean, we all want to see the town hall used, but my second, you know, may sound included, but we never die or never have the time. When you work five, six days a week, you know. You can't promote that and do- I think there were, at one time, way back, there was somebody that would come and sell all kinds of stuff. From there, I bought an electric knife. Yeah. Yeah. And you got- Yeah. And I haven't seen it. Yes. I was gay. But businesses would could use it. That would be an excellent idea. But you just found the tool. Yeah, it was the tool. And it might come with the air-conditioned stuff. That's right, yeah. One or something like that. Yeah. I think I'll sell it. Did any of you, the last dance we had was very poorly attended, you know? We thought it was a great thing. Then nobody shows up even. I remember we, you know, was at the No Have one or whatever, and just went there and, yeah, just pointing no one gets out. So has anyone taken the survey? I have to. So I've taken, did you ladies take the survey? We have, I have one. I have not felt about that. So I would encourage everyone to take the survey. And that's the point is to encourage your friends to take this and get information. That's, we'd like to hear from everybody. And we've talked about it before, what the process would be. So, and that hasn't changed. I mean, there's going to be dialogue, there'll be information, and it'll be a town decision that makes it, if it gets that far, if it gets just, you know, who knows what happens between now and then. But, you know, it's not happening today, so you don't have to worry about that. But we certainly know that you're concerned, and we take those concerns seriously. We are concerned. Okay. Well, thanks for coming. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. What's it? Do you have someone else behind you? Oh, okay. Okay, goodnight, Denise. Goodnight. Goodnight. So we have new business, and we also have JB in the house, so I'm not. Oh, it's JB. It's JB. It's JB. See the fun of the art. JB asked to pick a comment tonight. Instead of the four pieces that I would comment on, and Jenna was already made up, so we're not going to stop and employ you for coming over, you know? If you feel more comfortable with that, do you want to elaborate? If you want to, so I'll put it to nothing. Yes. So why don't you go ahead, and move to go on the executive session to discuss. That's good. Employee request. Labor really, but I brought that up. That won't be here in the first meeting in September. So are you starting the bill? Yes. I just wanted to make sure she has. So we'll be taking no, we'll take action out of the executive session. We will plan an hour at our next meeting to look at employee, the zoning administrative job, and assistant zoning administrative job descriptions to the next meeting for one hour. In between now and then, if there was one again, we can take some time to put some ideas together. And Cheryl, I don't know if you heard her, she won't be here for that meeting. We're talking about the 17th. Oh, the 17th? Well, we are not. Did you say the next meeting? This is the next meeting. I'm sorry. Okay, I forgot. This is the fourth. And that's, that's all right. Because again, the board, we can do our discussions an hour and a half. And then the next meeting, get back with you guys or whatever we have questions. Was there any other new business? I actually had one thing to relay you guys was, I had a parent ask me about having a birthday party on their rec field. And I don't believe there's any protocol for that. Yeah, it's the noise family. Are there any activities? It's the day after more fast. So that's why they asked me. And they're actually letting us use tents for more fast. So they're like, oh, we'll just leave our tents up. I told her she needed to check with the elementary school to make sure they didn't have anything. And that I would ask if there was anything they had to do with the town. Is this a child's party? Yes. Yeah, it's a kids party. He's a preschooler. I don't know. I don't think there's any policy against it. There isn't. And the rec doesn't schedule anything. The rec department or anything doesn't schedule stuff. So it's kind of seems like that party's out here under this. Yeah. The Z-bow and the plane up there. I don't know. So I'm just, as long as... Did you run it by the rec committee or anything like that? Yeah, Dwayne said they don't have any policy. So, all right. So I'd like to read all that. So... What's the tent? The noise family. What's the tent? The noise family. Oh, they're good. They have a couple of beds. Yeah, they're awesome. So speaking of Morpheus... Yes. I had a request from Michelle for people to judge pie even. Or pie. So I definitely was a John Wood and you. Yeah. So it's the 15th. And the judging will be between 5.30 and 6. Okay. I just never had a bad piece of pie in the hot room. So there's... Michelle's doing a different... It's going to be a little bit... Yeah. It's going to be a little bit different this time. And I think John's been actually tapped to pick like the best pie or something like that. Oh, I don't know. Yeah, oh yeah. So you don't know that. Yeah, so John will be like two judges. You're going to judge with everyone else. And then you're going to have some special one. And you get to pick the best pie. Whatever reason. So you said everyone 5.30? Between 5.30 and 6. Yeah. And so I will join you guys in doing that. Do you want that guy? No. I don't think so. Okay. So I think that was a little... Stefan of the Mowing. Anything on that to talk about? He's hitting the fence apparently. Right. I don't know if it's fixed yet. I forgot to ask Martin this morning. Martin knew that Stefan's hitting the fence? Yes, I even know him. One other thing I just want to bring up. I know that there was an email out. Everyone saw that a resignation by Peter. Yeah. That's really too bad. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe he's going to be an advocate on it. He feels like he can do more and not on the board. Yeah. So it sounds like a real... I don't know what to say. I'm going to let him know too. So if there's no other new business, let's take a look at what we've got here. Take some of that. You can have one of these right here. You can have one of these right here. You want to make some more of that. VLCT business meeting. Already asked. Work best. She's interested in John. We have only two, but we're very small. Yeah. Very busy weekends. So we're going to move to have John be our delegate. Put the dollar tree in South Wellington for the VLCT annual business meeting. Oh, second. Already? And it's Friday, September 21st at 28. Well, that's... You need to complete it. Yeah. But the actual thing is October 3rd. Yeah. October 3rd. Yeah. Cheryl and I are going to... I would... All available back. All right. All right. Thank you, John. Okay. And you and Cheryl... Yeah. And I need some input from you. Okay. I have most of it filled out, but... Do you want to send that out? Yeah. I'll send you an email of what I have and what I need. Okay. Help fill in it. I was thinking that I was walking up tonight, but then I just... You guys may have done it last meeting, so I didn't... No. August 31st. We'll have to be sent in. Well, let's close that, Jason. The stuff I sent you? Yes. Yeah. That's time. Do you get half that money back for the tennis court repair? Yes. So the Green Mountain Pavilion, the fairground road gate... How much is that? That was $500. And when did we... How about that? Well, who did it? Martin. Martin. I heard it done when they were doing the other stuff. Martin. Martin. I heard it done when they were doing the other stuff. And we have the money to pay for that? What's that? Amazel. It's a check number or purchase an invoice number 072818. The work project is over. $68,140. $68,140. Mm-hmm. Minus $38,837. Minus $4,000. $25,303. So it's over by $303 right now. And we are in August. The back. Yeah. Because this is an updated... That's from the fairground road. It's on there right there. Mm-hmm. Are we there on our sand for the year? I don't think we've got all our sand. I think we've got all we're going to get from Griffin Griffin. But I think he's got some to dry yet. And we'll see. Well, that's some of the work. Highly worth. We budgeted $22,000. We're up to $25,033. Sand. Sand. We've spent $51,000. The whole southern budget is $57,500. So there's $6,000 left for sand. We're about bottom line overall. Bottom line overall. Just the... Equipment is over too, right? Equipment is over too, yes. The highway total is... Highway total. Yeah, 82% of their budget. They've used 82%. That's just the... The payroll or is that... Everything. The labor is actually really slower than normal. But if we're already down to 82%, the rest of the year we'll wait that. Right. The rest of the year. 25% of the payroll would have to be... Mm-hmm. Anyways. And we're only at 80% of the budget. Well, they're not... They're right in line with their payroll where they should be. The payroll is like 62%. Yeah. No, we're good there. Yeah. We're going to catch up. We're going to catch up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. You know, in October, my number will go cyclist. All right. We need to make sure that we... You're talking to Martin, right? I do. I do. But then... Make sure you guys talk to him. As far as I didn't hear about the... No, I'm not looking to ask every decision that he makes. No. That's one that's a little bit... Yeah, we don't pay for something. That's it. Yeah. That's something to remember when we have our kind administrator John description discussion. I do know that. I know that. But yeah, those are the type of things. Mm-hmm. Always doing that. Any updates on the sidewalk project? John and Pat are going to talk to the new owners this week. The current little property. She is requiring very much about getting that during the day of the carer. So how this supposed to be? They have to lay a fire on it a little bit. Yeah, I don't know. They've got to do about getting that deed work done so that she can sign it to get that easement when we get in there and work on that. Okay. I talked to Dick Koskin the other day. He assured me if there's any additional costs involved in that, that they'll cover it. So we don't have to worry about running over on the grant. Okay, good. What are you saying, if the job comes in over budget, they're going to cover it? Yep. Or just the deep end of it. No, no. We're doing that work there. Because that was not included in the original. But when they're looking over the plants and running away people, you know, the design work, they said that that needed to be worked on, which wasn't in the original scope of work. So if the project runs over because of that, they'll cover it. Yeah, I'm just very concerned, you know. I think a lot of our budget numbers now are three years old. Yeah, they are. Yeah. The prices are just, aren't they worth three years ago? No. And if Chris Hunt knows that, he's the administrator in Joel Parago. They understand that. I talked with them both about that. And so that's one of the reasons why we combined the sidewalk grant and the catch basin grant is all one grant now. We just have to keep the expenses different. We don't have to keep the revenue different, but we have to keep the expenses different. Which is not unusual. Once these guys get these new people to sign off, then where are we looking as far as... Getting the bids out. The RP at that point. Yeah, we're that close with the design people now. Good. Duncanson has been working with them. It's 99% done to get the bids out. Dick Kosking said, get the bids out this year anyway. People are hungry in the spring. If they can line up the work, he said actually it's going to be a pretty good time to get the bids out. Yeah, that could work. That would be nice. Anything else for anybody? Motion to adjourn. I'll leave the motion. All right. Second by Dick.