 Vika I was really looking forward to this interview with you Yes, yes, that's a general background for all our listeners our first met Vika I think there is going on to two years ago in a conference and the first time I I Saw you I met you what you were on stage and you were talking about one of my favorite subjects Wisdom and I and I was I was I was so pleased that Not not just that the fact that you were talking about it But also how you approach the subject because every time I thought about how to talk about the subject It has always felt to me like a like a little bit of a soft topic I'm not sure if that makes any sense But the way you presented it it was like strong and powerful And I was really impressed and I thought what is this guy has got something to communicate And and look at it. Look at us two years later. I have the pleasure of Talking to you For interviewing you and not only that I consider you a friend because we've met after that a few times and we have Spent quite a few conversations together. So I have a pleasure truly my pleasure to to to bring you To our audience. I have a little bit of a bio of you here Okay, read up on it a little bit You have been called the world's number one wisdom coach And this is correct in my in my point of view to the top wisdom and wealth guru and the Steve jobs of Wisdom that's that's a nice call and you are the creator of meditation Meditation made it made simple a coaching program that has been taught in over 15 countries and Vickers is respected as one of the world's leading teachers of wisdom meditation and mindfulness All favorite subjects of mine that it does very good and you have coached leading Corporations like Rolls Royce Procter and Gamble Siemens Nike What else you've got a very long list, but those are the the biggest that I recognize there But I'm sure that you're busy with other ones But you have a mistake here in your bio because he says because Malkani is a wisdom and wealth coach I think because Malkani is the wisdom of wealth coach Suggestion Peter I'll make sure that my team corrects that Yes, please So that world's number one wisdom of wealth coach, so I think the first question I have to ask you because this what is wisdom All right, and that's I think that's a great place to start Peter because a lot of people Somehow unconsciously they understand the importance of wisdom, but they do not have a clear Conscious understanding of what it is. So the way I like to explain it to people is by giving them an analogy Now think of your life as a car and let's say you have a great life. Let's say you have a great car Let's say you have a Ferrari So it looks beautiful and it can perform beautifully, but it'll only perform based on the engine that it's got So in other words the performance of the Ferrari doesn't come from the body of the Ferrari It comes from the engine of the Ferrari So the car is your life, but the engine is your mind So the quality of your mind Decides or creates the quality of your life however an Engine is only as good as the fuel that drives it So if I have a Ferrari with the Ferrari engine what I put in Substandard fuel in it Then that engine is not going to get me very far and the fuel that we put into the engine is wisdom So the car is my life The engine that drives the car is my mind and The fuel that drives the engine is wisdom So to put it very simply what is wisdom? Wisdom is what your mind works on It's what your mindset is created on It's your understanding of life of yourself of others and of the big picture that we are all a part of So that is wisdom it's about how your mindset is developed how life functions who you are and what other people are around you That's that's that's lovely see one of the problems with with This society that we live in is that from from my perspective is that we have managed to idolize the the brain instead of Taking care of the mind or and the heart So we have fed we put the left You know the left brain in charge instead of allowing the right brain in charge But to be honest we have learned on how to acquire a lot of knowledge We're really good at it and that is a good thing because it allows us to build things And it has allowed a lot of the advancement in Communication and in technology, which is great. We have a very cushy life as a result, which is nice And but there's something missing I think a lot of people that have got something missing as you know because I'm in in the field of well-being and mental health and You know mental health is going an in very interesting way It's going a medical way and I think that's the wrong way at heart because what you talk about that fuel That's missing in people and it doesn't matter you can medicate people, but that's not going to return the fuel And what's that feel for you? How do you feel because yeah, you know where Peter? You know the world recognizes you as an as an expert and authority on mental health and I want to I want to go back to that subject and just talk about How perhaps possibly we have not understood mental health correctly and Therefore we are not we are not able or empowered to really benefit from our own knowledge about it So let me let me put it to you this way the oldest understanding of The human being of human life on our planet comes from the comes from the field of meditation Which actually talks about the fact that the thoughts that you have in your mind, whatever I think all day in my mind Literally changes everything else in my body in my system So I am producing a lot of negative thoughts and I'm not even aware of that I'm going to produce thousands of these thoughts every day As a result of those repeated negative thoughts my body is going to respond Chemically so the chemicals in my body the chemical composition of my entire body begins to change based on the thoughts that I repeat in my head and of course we have understood this and science also Validates it that when the chemical composition of the body is changed a person feels differently In other words, we are chemical human beings But before we are chemical human beings we are all human beings of thought and Meditation the wisdom that I use in my life to coach people and companies like the ones you mentioned roles Roy's or rather You know its companies as a whole or it's the CEO's of the companies The wisdom that I use says that by understanding how your mind functions and training your mind To be more positive to be more peaceful You will not only see benefits in your mental health, but also in your physical health and then in the health of your company So I'm it's brilliant alignment with you that Mental health or just studying the brain is not enough. We have to understand about how the mind of the human being functions Absolutely, and you know what the interesting thing is now we have decades of research indicating that meditation is actually Very very useful in the way it operates in the brain, but not just for healthy people But also for people that are well, and there's good recovery Recovery Results that people have had because of that Would you say that meditation is the wisdom or is meditation the The methodology of putting the fuel into your mind or how exactly does it work? I mean, could there be somebody that does a lot of meditation and yet they're fairly what would you call it stupid? What's the opposite of a wisdom? I call it I call it an awareness, you know, stupid Meditation is not wisdom meditation is a means or an instrument of wisdom So we meditate to understand more and we meditate to bring the wisdom into our life In fact, the way I coach people the way I teach in my meditation made simple program, which you mentioned I One of the first core teachings is that there are three parts of your journey to growth or your journey in personal development And those three parts the first one is wisdom it's about understanding who you are and how the world around you functions and the second part is the tools and Techniques of meditation and the third part or the third anchor is then the actual application of that So the three parts are first an understanding of wisdom for which obviously I need a coach or a teacher Or or some sort of a you know in ancient times They would call them gurus, but today the word is very misunderstood so I need some sort of a mentor or a coach a wisdom coach and then I need to understand the Techniques of meditation and then the third a third element is that I need to apply it or practice it in my life And that's when my life begins to change so wisdom is what I would say is the mother and Meditation or mindfulness is simply the offspring or the child of wisdom Great, and how would you I mean one of these things that people normally say in our field When faced with this kind of talk, which I think it's very it's healthy and it's wise talk but one of the The obstacles or objections. That's the right way that I was looking for the objections that they say is but you know what I Don't I'm not really in control of my thoughts. They just happen. I have a lot of thoughts in there Have what what's your take on that? Yeah, so when I hear this all the time Peter and when people actually say that to me I'm not in control of my thoughts My answer to them is simply this that itself is a thought the fact that you're saying I'm not in control of my thoughts is a thought itself and as long as you hold on to that thought as long as you choose it You do control your thoughts, but choosing that thought is not the right decision because it brings with itself The opposite of empowerment in other words you become a victim and you say well I can't do anything about what's going on So what we need to do is to flip that thought to saying I can be in control of my thoughts I can choose my thoughts and go from I can to I will to I do So that's how we progress, but we always have a right to choose how we think Let's go back a little bit. Let's think of a child who has just been born a newborn baby a Newborn baby has no particular way of thinking in fact. They don't have a mindset yet One of the famous lines is that every child is born with a mind, but not a mindset The mind up later on and a mindset is developed essentially based on the experiences that we have with the Circumstances we are surrounded by and that's called conditioning So my circumstances and my conditioning creates my mindset people coming from different parts of the world have a different way of thinking Because that conditioning and the circumstances as I grew up Created that mindset for me which today rules my life Here's the truth every human being you I and every person listening in the audience is driven by their own thoughts But the question is where do our thoughts come from and you realize that if you go back and just study the life of any Given person our thoughts are created from the time when we were young all the way to where we are today So essentially my life experience and the conditioning of my life has created my thoughts on my mindset And today my mindset rules my life Changing what I believe about the world literally changes my mindset and therefore it'll change everything else in my life Is that I mean that's beautiful and I and I really connect with it I'm sure our audience also connects with that But I'm just wondering is that because you have had such an easy life Because that it's easy for you to do that Or is that something that you have had to work on? Yes, well most people would think that because when they see me today, you know, I'm I'm always happy always smiling and I'm always peaceful I'm traveling the world. I'm coaching the top people in the world. I'm coaching the top companies in the world I'm meeting amazing people like yourself So people think I've always had it easy, but if they only study my life, they'll realize that's not the truth We have all gone through our ups and downs At the age of 29, I went through a great inner awakening and you know, I had many inner experiences I had this epiphany a wake-up call and awakening and enlightenment moment as people call it But that changed my life completely at the age of 29 and that inspired me To start a whole new life So I quit as the CEO of a multi-million dollar company and I walked away and I started my new business which is called sold center and I became a wisdom coach and Even my life before that for the 10 years before that in fact from the time when I was 14 till the time I was 29 I was on a search I was on a quest for wisdom because Peter at the age of 14. I Had seen extremes of life. I had seen the extremely successful I had seen the extremely wealthy people because that was a circle I moved with and I had also seen immense Suffering and unhappiness inside the same human being in other words I saw people who were successful on the outside, but very unsuccessful and unhappy on the inside I saw people were literally pretending to be what they were not So a person was not authentic on the outside There was happiness and smiles and laughter and jovialness But in a moment of quiet this person had extreme stress and unhappiness and regret and I began to question as a 14-year-old boy That this is not how life should be. We must be happy We must be peaceful all the time not once in a while and that brought me to a great Understanding which today is one of my favorite quotes. It's called wealth without wisdom is failure and Wisdom without wealth is frustration So you need both essentially you need that external success But you need to couple it with your inner happiness and that inner peace and that's what I do now So I bring it to people in a very practical manner My life has gone through ups and downs and that's what took me on the search of wisdom because I realized that Wisdom is the only cure. There is nothing else There's nothing else that will bring Peace and stability and happiness to a human being on a consistent basis. It's not other people. It's not relationships It's not business. It's not your results. It's not the the bank account that you own It's not even your health because all of those things will go up and down up and down up and down The only thing that is yours to keep forever a Treasure that can never be taken away is wisdom acquire wisdom optimize your life Absolutely, absolutely Again, I can say challenge because it's like like you can be fine And I think I'm most most of us, you know, we're fine most of the time Those of us that are more lucky some of us Not good most of the time and then we have moments of happiness but you know the majority of people they are fine most of the time and then without they're doing something happens or Something changes within them So it's hard to be happy all the time. And is it even reasonable to be happy all the time? I don't think you've been ecstatically happy So you what what do you can you know? Yeah, you see look here's the thing right we live in the world. Yeah, we cannot control We can't live with people that we cannot control True cannot control every result of every action that you take Yeah, right no matter who you are you could be the the president of a country or you could be Peter or you could be vikkas Or you could be anybody you cannot control your external world The only that's scary Control the only thing that you can control is your responses to it and your responses big by how you think about what's happening around you and That's where wisdom says to you that if you want to maintain inner harmony if you want to maintain your peace if you want to Maintain your status of equanimity if you want to have that happiness and happiness is not ecstasy You know happiness is a state of inner contentment inner peace inner empowerment If you want to have that then the only way that you will accomplish that goal is To acquire wisdom to have those tools and techniques and practice those and Once you do that no matter what goes on around you You still are in control of your own life and of the way you are feeling because our feelings are not connected to what's around us I give you an example of this Peter just to make it even simpler for our read for our listeners Say that I'm running a company because a lot of people that I coach our business people I am I'm caught a wisdom and wealth coach because I coach companies to increase their profits And I coach people on how to become multimillionaires. So my my point is this right? Let's say you're running a business You have a great team in place. You've got enough capital You have a great idea and you do everything that you can to achieve your targets at the end of the year Your yearly targets in spite of that in spite of the fact that for all the years Looked like you're just going to achieve your targets on the fourth quarter. There's a world event something happens and Suddenly because the world event affects the world economies everything goes down people tighten their belts Nobody spends money. You don't meet your targets. Now you did everything you possibly could but in the end you didn't meet your targets Does that necessarily mean that you are going to be unhappy or that you're going to get depressed or that you're going to be Agitated the answer is no it all depends on how you respond to that or how you process that external result so if I take that as I've done my best. I did whatever was possibly in my hands and Now the fact that the economy changed and I couldn't achieve my targets gives me feedback on how I can do it better the next time around Then suddenly this has been a good event for me However, I take it to be as if it's a personal failure Even though I Events then that personal failure can not only make me very negative. It can make me very irritable It can make me a grouch. It can make me a very grumpy person But it can also if I keep on feeding my mind on it. It can also bring me to a state of depression Because I have coached people who have been in depression and often the depression is caused by one or two or three Negative thoughts that keep on getting repeated and then they come with what I call the snowball effect You know one thought leads to another another to another and before I know it nothing in my life is right And I'm feeling overwhelmed and I just give up and there you go. I'm in depression And you can't sleep and everything becomes first. I guess I guess I mean the majority of the people that I've worked with They understand that intellectually like they say yeah, we're on board, you know That obviously the way we would like to be able to react but the reality is that Even if I believe it, you know, the people around me might not believe it I may lose my job because you know competitors or competitors may may take over the market or competitors within my my company may may May may do things and I could they get rid of me or I lose the job and I can't pay my mortgage or The worst fear of all people I may end up in the street So that's got nothing to do with how I feel on the inside, but that makes it happen on the outside What would you say to people saying that we can Yeah, sure, here's the first thing right in my example when I mentioned that it's a global event The world economies are affected if my company has been affected and we didn't meet our targets The chances are even my competitors competitors did not meet their targets, right because it's a global issue So it's an event which affects everyone. So that's my first First case the first point that I want to make the second point is this You know when you say that what if my what if I lose my job? It's a what if question a what if question always has the other flip side What if you don't? So here comes a question then why are we focusing on the negative 50% rather than the positive 50% good point Because we have to train our mind to focus on the positives on the possibilities on the potential rather than the problems So we understand sounds like like work, so doesn't it? No, it's actually fairly easy once you get your training. It's it's really a simple task But for anything in the beginning you have to put in some time and some effort Here's the deal Peter a great life a happy life a good life or positive life Is a great treasure and to get any great treasure requires a little bit of work Now the more you get the easier the work is Because a coach will teach you exactly how to do the things the right way Do you see and here's another fact? So that would be my second point my first point would be a global event would affect everyone including my competitors So why am I thinking I'm the only guy suffering? That's the wrong way of thinking the second would be that you know If it's a what if question that has a flip side to it. What if I don't get fired? What if I get promoted because they saw how much I've worked and how well I did it So there's always a what if on the positive side. Let's focus on that. Here's the third element Let's say even if I'm fired Again, my point is how do I respond to that? Because if I'm fired is another external event that I did not control and now I respond to it by saying Oh my god, that's it. My life is over. I'll never find another job Can you see how negative the thoughts are in the mind on the other hand think well? I'm being fired because this company doesn't respect my value. I've done my best all year I've given my hundred and ten percent of this company the result is because of something I didn't control and They still want to fire me. Certainly. This is not a company. I want to work for I'm going to find a better company to work for I'm going to take my talent somewhere else or you know what I'm going to actually Finally decide to follow my own dreams and start in my own company and become an entrepreneur There you go You do a startup you get because Mulqani as your coach next, you know You're getting external funding and you're on your way to being a deca mill in That I think I think everybody that is listening to you right now Vika would agree with me that yes That's the person I want to be That is exactly the person I want to be Here's the thing right here's the thing Here's a line that I want you to remember it's it's on my books. It's in my it's it's on my you know my my center You are the author of your own life story All of us are writing our own life story. Some of us realize it some of us don't and we are writing it in every minute Based on how we respond to what life brings us Because none of us can control life but in how we respond To what life brings us we are writing the story of our life. We are the authors of our own life stories That's right. That's that's lovely And I believe that not only you mentioned that something really interested you talked about wisdom and then you linked it with wealth Yes, I Have known a lot of wise people that were not very wealthy They were not hungry. They were not hungry, but they were not necessarily wealthy, but you've linked it both Can I can I just have a couple of minutes of explanation for the for the benefit of all their audience? Yes You know, this is a favorite question. I love this question and thank you for asking me this Here's the thing right if I get wisdom it allows me to be happy peaceful It allows me to be a person of stability. It allows me to be a person who is able to help others But if I cannot take this wisdom and apply it to my own fulfillment I'm never going to be a full human being. I'm going to be only a half human being in a I live in two worlds. All of us do the inner world and the outer world I live in this inner world of my thoughts my emotions my feelings I need to get that right and that comes through wisdom But then I live in the second world Which is the external world the world of economies the world of society the world of relationships the world of families The world of buying and selling Everything on our planet today really is a transaction Sure, you go to a restaurant. You order a meal. You got to pay for it Let's say you you sit at home all day and you decide to do nothing and you say to yourself You know what today? I'm just going to stay in my home not even go out and I'm not going to spend any money at all In fact, I won't even get online and order anything. Let's say from Amazon. So I won't spend any money at all So you spend all day just lazing around sleeping relaxing in your house watching TV Have you spent money on that day and the answer is yes Because you're paying for the apartment that you're living in Absolutely, you know, you're paying income tax for that day of the year your electricity bills If you're watching TV But that's the fact that's a fact Every day of our life We are spending money whether we like it or not So we have to find a means or a way of earning that wealth So that my external life can also be lived masterfully and I use wisdom to help people to become successful and significant It's not just about wealth, but I say you must take it once they're beyond We create wealth first we create that external business success Individual success first so that the wealth comes in but then after that for the people that I coach who are alright already Multi-millionaires and you know, I even coach some families which have billion dollar networks billion dollar networks I always say now it's time for you to take it one step forward We go from success to significance and then we even talk about legacy because life requires four things My program Peter, you know, you may be aware of this is called the life wisdom matrix That's the program that I created under which all of my teachings and my coaching falls the life wisdom matrix And here's the core principle of the life wisdom matrix Life is like a table that needs four legs to be stable Life is like a table that needs four legs to be stable. The first leg is happiness success Significance and legacy. So you have four things that you need to make your whole life complete well Yeah, and we use wisdom for everything because wealth is good because you need the wealth to become significant in your life Yeah, no, absolutely. Yeah You you you want to have that security absolutely Look, this is this is fantastic. Um, and I don't want One of one of the things that I know is that you do have one day that you put on for free for people Don't they this so they can come and and listen to you on this matter of wealth wisdom and Winning I believe isn't it? Yes. Well, who is them and winning? I'm I do Well wisdom and winning so that one day, I know that you're coming to Australia, but you're you've also done some in Singapore Um, where else have you done that? We have done programs in Philippines in Singapore multiple programs We are taking the program now to Australia. We'll be in Bali soon. We'll be in a will be in Dubai So we're you know, we started it only a few months ago But it's it's becoming a global brand and we're getting invitations from all over to come and to be coaching people there and Nothing about wealth wisdom winning. It was a concept that I came up with a few months ago And then I partnered with a wonderful gentleman from he's American But he lives in the Philippines. His name is John Rankin's he's known as the millionaire maker And he started life from welfare and he's now a multimillionaire so you know the world's number one wisdom coach and the millionaire maker we sort of got together and We came up with this idea of taking Wisdom to the world to be able to create external wealth and to be able to live life like winners So that's where the idea of Wisdom wealth wisdom and winning comes from so we launched in August 2018 and you know, we have we have already done multiple programs in the Philippines and in Singapore Very successful. We've had breakthroughs. We have got people, you know saying that We have changed their lives. We have turned around their businesses and now we are coming into Australia So in in February of 2019 Wealth wisdom winning is coming to Australia. We'll be doing events in multiple cities in Melbourne Sydney Gold Coast and Brisbane We would also be coming in for a two-day coach So people come for a free event. It's a three hour free event We are John Rankin's and I because Malkani will be coaching them for free completely Once they come in and they feel that they are getting the value and they want to be coached by us Then we bring them in for a two-day mastermind program Sounds great. Sounds great. But this is not just for people to have for businesses. Isn't that? It's for people who want to start businesses who want to grow their businesses or people in jobs And they are wanting to come out of the corporate life and they want to start something of their own They want to have a sense of freedom and empowerment. It's for those type of people But it's also for people who just want a better life who believe in personal development Who want to go to the next level of their own potential It's for everyone anyone who values happiness or success Anyone who wants to grow their life or their business? That's what it's for because what I do is I share wisdom to win the game of life and the game of business Brilliant you had me at hello because Fantastic, I was just wondering this is this is gold and I wish more people Watch this video and they do come to see that program the one-day program and hopefully join join us for the mastermind Because I'm wondering what's the one thing you would like people to take away from from our interview today The one thing the one lesson If if they don't hear the whole interview or if they hear it and forget everything else We have shared the one lesson. I want everyone to remember is that we are the authors of our own life story We are creating our life life is what we make it to be. It's not written down. It's not predestined It's not on the lines on your head or on the lines of your hands or it's not written up there in the sky somewhere We are writing the story of our life Every day every day every day as we live and we are writing it by the thoughts we have and the actions we take So the one answer the one lesson the one teaching that I want everyone To live with is that we are the authors of our own life story Get wisdom into your life and start to like write the story that you love That's beautiful. That's beautiful. You like that exactly The philosophy and the approach of the workplace mental health Institute on how we approach all things mental health all things mental health from workplace from personal from life and resilience and We're very happy to be collaborating and partnering together for these events in Australia Maybe the world who knows it is the beginning, but we're very excited because to be on board with you and to continue an expansion what is an expansion of of a lifelong friendship really and thank you very much for being here in in this interview and Well, we'll keep going and everybody please We will send an email if you want to receive their magazines We will let you know when Vickers and John and John Rankins will be here talking about what? Wisdom wealth and winning We call it wealth wisdom and winning because wisdom is is in the center wisdom is the core Wisdom is what keeps everything together. I like that. I like that wealth wisdom and winning wealth very good Thank you very much because Thank You Peter and it's wonderful talking to you and You know, I'm more than happy to see your tribe and your family at our events And we'll reach out to them through you and we'll make sure that you know, they are benefited. Thank you very much Bring me on your show. Thank you. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye