科技時代的來臨必須仰仗產官學三方的共同合作才可以帶來更大幅的進步因此今天本月也很榮幸地邀請到臺灣政治史上首位數位政委唐鳳立平現場和我們分享在虛擬時進紀元讓想像分職唐鳳政委將以英文發表最需要口吾亦服務的朋友可以戴上口吾設備我們掌聲歡迎唐鳳政委好,我想開始 with my job description3 years ago when I become the digital ministerH.R.P.O. asked me, so ministrythis is the first time that I was as an additional ministerand we would like you to share with your visionwhat are you going to do in the next 3 yearsas an additional ministerand I'm like this is really easyas your person will want to shareSustainable Development Goals has just been graduated the year before that in 2015So I said, my work is really simpleIt is just that Sustainable Targets, 1718, 1717, and 1716There's like the shortest job description everBut really what it means is to enhance the availability of reliable datato encourage effective cross-sectoral partnershipsand share knowledge in a built-in fashionNHR people in the government is likeMinistry nobody memorized the Sustainable Targetsand nobody knows that I've heard it at that timeThere's 169 of themand so you have to explain in plain languageand so I just translated those three Sustainable Targets into plain languageand that is kind of the roadmap of how we're deploying technologyincluding virtual realitiesso first share my job description with youbecause like thiswith we see the internet of sciencelet's make it the internet of beingswhen we see virtual realitylet's make it a shared realitywhen we see machine learninglet's make it collaborative learningwhen we see user experiencelet's make it about human experienceand whenever we hearthat the singularity is nearthat is always rememberthe plurality is herethat's literally my job descriptionand the work that we're doing in Taiwanis making sure that everybodywho previously thought that the social progressthe social development is a kind of zero sum gamea tug of warbetween say economic development on one sideand environmental sustainability on the otheror technological innovation on one sideand social justice on the otherin traditional thinking of the illustrationwhat's called representative democracyis that we have representativesthat represents those different interestswe have different legislaturesin different communitieswe have ministersof various ministriesof course represent one valueand this road in betweenis a public servicethat absorb all the attentionis invisible to the publicand tries very hard not to breakwhen emerging technology comesbut of course they break from time to timethanks to the great social technologythe hashtag is a new ish inventionthat basically says anybody whocared deeply about somethinglike hashtag we dohashtag climate strikehashtag ice blockage challengehashtag really anythingcan organize among themselveswithout a representativewithout anyone that serves thesequel points of negotiationand so the traditional way of negotiationthose different representativesbreaks down because we simply cannotmake a new agencyor a new legislative councilfor each of the emerging technologiesfor the armedfor blockchainsfor self-driving vehiclesand so the way we call them must changeand the way we call themhas changed towhether you went in this yearcause of our collaborativegovernancewho are the representativesand how can we strike a balance between themwe ask a different set of questionswe askso people have different positionscan then someonefind a space where peopletake all the sidesto feel the positionsof each otherand that these are the common valuesand they're given common valuescan we find innovationsthat makes life betterand the foundationof collaborativegovernanceis transparency and its trustand trust is based onliterally the capabilityof stepping to each other's shoesand so that is wherevirtual reality comes into playthis is literally my officeand it is also aair studioit has all theactually issues and equipmentand I boughtthe very first lifeI think the 20s or somethingin zero numberand it has plentythis space has plenty of roomsfor people whoparticipate in teleconferencesusing empowered by virtual realityand this public partis designed drawnpeople with dancepeople with charisma defenseswe may see the worldthrough the lens of textwe may see the worldthrough the lens of geometryand technologyand so when they drawat whatever theyperceive in the worldand we preserve themin 3D scan modelsthat could be re-actedas public artwe step into their worldthat makes all of us more creativeand so this isthe very important thingit can automatically envisionnew dimensions and new possibilitiesevery Wednesday up herefrom 10am to 10pmanybody can juststep into the spacethere's no wall in the spacewe tore down one side of the walland made transparentthe other side of the walland so it's near the centralpark in Taipeiit's just next to the tableflower marketand they step into thisconnective routeof virtual realityand they see a lot of different thingsfor examplethey may see what they likein the most ruralin this monthevery other Tuesday or soand tour around Taiwanbrinking with mea 360 view cameraand that shows thesetting in variouswaysand it's all livestreamedif the local people is ok with itand so we can very easilysee that in my channelthere's plenty of 360feetsthe latest one is from theshiling district courtwhere I just played a roleof a virtual judge as a robotand they justwent through this old court proceedingbut with a lot of peoplewatching through 360and it's not limitedto Taiwan Idafor exampleat West Yan Madridthe weekthat I becamethe ministryand in Madridthere was thisYouTubethis is rightso this is literally the shootingthis reporthereIda Pat thereso in the seat of the judgeand people learn about this whole court proceedingand you can also seethat people areduring the livestream also contributingtheir ideas when it comes tothe court proceedingsso it mystifiesdemocratic processit mystifies the court processand it makes sure that people can learnabout all the different perspectivesthis is somethingthat the court system is designed to doso that people can take turnsto be involved in democracybut through 360 livestreamingand through virtual realitypeople can really empathizewith the judge's workpeople can really empathizewith the democratic processand the same weapplied in an international setting alsoso this was the first timethat I used virtual realityin 2016 and this was in Spainin MiDalab Pradoand the persontalking to meis Pablo Sotoa city councilorwho is also handicappedand so I literally walkedthe same red pointsgoing through the same pathas he did in his wheelchairand we are co-mentorsfor the VR created in MiDalab Pradoand we justthought the students how the world looksdifferently from our perspectivein virtual realityand so they designed their citiesthey designed their localcouncils their participatory budgetand so on taking carethe universal access and also taking careof the children whoperceived the constructionsfrom different anglesand after a week of mentorshipusing this robotwhich they called GalakiaI was able tobe entirely physicalthrough a live headsetfeel that I'm embeddedin Spain MiDalab Pradoand then I flew to MiDalab Pradoa week after the workshopso for the studentsI switched from the body of siliconto the body of carbonbut it is the same continuous existenceand I was able to pick up rightwhere we left offthe mentorshipwith the local studentsand so this againI think echoes to everyone's pointthat VR is a great empathetic devicethat across the differentenvironments people were then ableto literally step into each other's shoesand feel an empathy towardsand so after those brief experimentsstarting 2017we embedded that into ourconstitutional settingand so everybody can seein this websitesi.taiwan.gov.twthe social innovation websitethat there's more than 400organizations devotedto the sustainable goals in Taiwanand any of them can summon meevery other Tuesday or soto their local vicinityso I think this was in Hualienand we also go toElaMaurin, Ruro in indigenous placesand so what we do in this settingwe have people meetwhere they always meet alreadythey meet in their town hallsor in their local indigenouselder's placeand instead of bringingall of the mentors thereit's just me, the very small staffthat travelsand when we're thereI just sit downwith the local peopleI usually travel a day or two beforeso I can say that theyare doing an ethnographictravelling outwith local peopleto make sure that I'm embeddedinto their local cultureand then we have a town hall discussioneverybody who meet in the town hallsis able thento raise their specific pointswith the evidence that are alreadyand the 360 capturedor somehow video capturedand reading with me thenas organizedby the social innovation lab in Taipeiis five minutes fulland with 12 different ministrieseach sending someonewho is section chiefor a higher leveland to themthey are sitting in Taipeior Taidong, or Kaohsiungor Taidong, or Hualienand then they justsit in a kind offish ball settingwhere using the camerasin the local placethe local people set the agendafor the 12 ministriesto respond toand this has two benefitsfirst,aside from less traveland less carbon footprintthis has two benefitsthe first one is thatinstead of their local agendabeing extracted astwo powerpoint pagesor three word page documentsand always received by a ministryto copy another ministryto copy another ministryas i said it was abstractedkind of the wrong wayit was abstracted as numbersas text and not as local people's experiencesand so wheneverfor example the ministry of economycopies the ministry of interioror copy the ministry of cultureand so on each successive copyloses some of theoriginal ethnographic contextand so many timesin the central governmentwe feel that we have solved a questionbut we may be solved itjust for 60%but then the remaining 40%maybe we make new problemsfor the local peopleand this is very frequentbut now in this settingpeople were able thento step into the local people's juiceand they may raise a pointfor example there was a incidentwhere in the orchid islandthere was a local clinicthat treats someonewho is curedor is sickand usually the local peoplewill insist that they send helicoptersto bring their loved onesback to the main Taiwan islandand because of thatthere was a casea year or two agowhere it was raining and it was at nightand the helicopter crashedalong with the local nurseand it was approachingand so through this regional tourspeople were able to discoverthis is fundamentally normalabout the local clinic equipmentor the local clinics settingsit is fundamentally about trustand the local clinicand the nurses told usthat they did not feel trusted by the local peoplebecause even though they wantedto have a co-collaborationwith the specialized doctorsin the Taiwan main islandthe current legal designthe current law at that pointa couple years agofor this kind of settingwhere the local nursemakes a medical treatment and diagnosiswith the supervisionof the specialized doctorin the Taiwan main islandit has to be a doctor that physicallymean by instead of someone from the remoteand so because of thatdid not feel that they burned muchwhen they were working in the remote islandbecause all the serious cases thenwas flown back to the Taiwan main islandthe real case that was very difficultto get into the root causewithout this kind of listeningby the local peopleand by all the ministriesinvolved in itand so through this waywe were able to gather a shared narrativethat the municipal governmentsthe central governmentsand so onare able to literally step into each other's shoesand take each other's linesand so that improves trustto the boat ways of institutionwhere if they innovateand you knowit works really wellit doesn't scaleit doesn't automatically transferto other municipalitiesthere are other rural settingsand if they say somethingthat upsets the local peopleusually the public service takes a blamebut in a virtual town hall meetingthis is reversedif they innovateif they form a teamfor example the presidential paneland they get the presentand if they say somethingthat upsets the local peopleI can be the only one in the policyso I absorb all the riskif the local people gets really upsetyou can't really hurt peopleover virtual realityand so by absorbing all the riskand spreading the creditthis creates the second benefitfor this kind of virtual town hallis that everybody then arguefor the public benefitbecause we don't knowthat whether it is the officeour visits, whether it issustainable development goalbased social innovation toolseach person's statementseverything that is saidwill be recordedfor perpetuity actuallyon a distributed ledgercalled kithuband then people can very easilysee thatafter I become the additional ministerI've talked with 4,000 peopleover to 100,000 speechesover 1,000 sectionsand each of them is not just a summarypeople can really feelhow is it liketo be in those different placesto talkthrough different stakeholdersand so onand so that gives trustby radically trusting peoplewe create a spacein which that is impossibleto hurt each otherI mean virtual reality is impossibleto hurt each otherand also it may show thatinstead of like private lobbyingwhere people tend to speakabout something that is good for themand may be not so good for everybody elsewe create a new kind of public spacewhere everybody who comestalks about public benefitsand sustainable costsI like this is a distributed ledgerso you can only add to itand you cannot subtract from itand so that concludes my sharingI would sincerelyencourageto like each other's questionsdo read the coffee breakand bring new questionsso that we have moreledger to work with in our paneland finally I would like to sharea very short snippet of poetrythat I wrote a fewweeks agothat talks about the wayof policymakingI think this is at the rootof Taiwanwhere we now havearound 20 national languagesand we'rebasically continuing and amplifyingthe lineages of many differentcoachesand the VR and this wayof remote policymakingbrings a space where we cantranscend our ownpersonal individual cultureand view the same worldof policy through the lensof various different culturesand so this is fundamentallya transcultural settingand so my short snippetto conclude this talk withreads like thisworldly oceanbeautiful islandsa transculturalrepublic of settingsthank you以及他優美的詩今天的研討會相信接下來的內容同樣精彩可期現在我們先休息10分鐘10點20分準時開始進行今天的open discussion of immersivetechnology is the secondof the museum world虛擬實境如何判送國務管事業的圓桌論壇現在我們開始休息10分鐘謝謝各位接下來就到了我們在本月特別邀請了許多重量級貴賓一起來討論虛擬實境如何判動國務管事業現在我們將以座談的方式進入深入的討論與口息第一場座談非常榮幸邀請到中華民國行政院數位政委唐鳳擔任主持人與談抓兵一起探討我們虛擬實境如何與唐政委進行對談的是國內外產觀學界的專家與代表讓我們掌聲歡迎國立顧東國務院院長吳秘茶文化團美規劃部總監敏尼格德豐美術館館長徐金會執行館Marcus Musa華盟發電國際電子公司代理總監葉欣宇開始我們的座談謝謝歡迎莊德先生在國立顧東國務院長尹宏博士華盟教授米蘇郭文貴華盟大會華盟教授華盟教授華盟教授華盟教授華盟教授華盟教授華盟教授您認為社會媒體的影響和影響會影響社會的影響和影響或影響社會的影響和影響並且我們聽過關於技術和技術的影響和影響這引導我們在一起這引導我們在一起和我們在一起的感覺我們分享我們的感覺但當然這也有可能社會媒體的影響和影響並且並且並且影響激情的影響和影響並且並且影響社會媒體的影響和影響我們看到社會媒體的影響快速地改變了我們的設計讓我們能夠分享和享受和藝術和文化和影響並且並且影響社會媒體的影響並且並且影響社會媒體的影響我們想問您您的經驗和社會媒體和社會媒體您認為社會媒體是最大的影響因為我們能夠與其他人和社會媒體所以您有找到有任何挑戰您認為我們現在需要努力作出這些挑戰我們可能開始在NPM這個可能在所有的人當中我算是照理說不太會是數位都沒體育時代我的年紀已經占了我第一個我的年紀第二個我的原來的學科背景是一個比較低度使用的但是也可能因為這樣我會去強調任何用心科技的出現一定是會伴隨著新的問題這些新的問題必須用一些新的規則為新的論點要不然我們都沒有辦法進到實際上的那一個新的社會那個新的社會就是一個沒有辦法走的社會我想人類的社會一直都是這樣的三百年前我們需要的規矩我們需要的能力要求跟現在裡面不一樣數位科技的時代它會有更快的速度更大的力道衝擊我們的傳統的社會就是傳統社會就是相對於現在說的數位社會的那種傳統社會所以我們必須同時的形成新的數位時代的規則能力要不然的話的確它的力道比以前更大這是我的想法謝謝我想這是一個重點社會的規則並且新的社會我們必須聯繫去找出新的社會想要做到的我想社會的規則是非常有趣的新的圖案因為他們有人類知道更多關於社會的規則並且給予他們的規則非常有趣我覺得在社會的規則很重要而且我覺得社會的規則有更多的人類很高的規則我們也有網站也有社會的規則也有很多人還有有趣的事是那一段時間當然每個社會的社會的規則因為我們有經常社會的規則所以有些東西因為五個月我們有很久的時間我們也有很久的時間還有另外一件好事是我們在在社會的規則因為在最初我們開始在社會的規則中我們像莫洩伯卓我們也不知道怎麼做當然我們只是給我們自己的幾句話我們在那段時間我們並不是這樣我們需要在社會的規則中我們我覺得社會的規則是一件很好的事在社會的規則中很好的事因為我們我們可以做到這件事這是一個非常大的問題所以我只能有這個當然在社交媒體我們有新的問題在社交媒體比如我或所有事情關於女性的事或關於女性的事我們可以說在社交媒體的問題我們必須做到所以我們可以說這個改革這個改革會影響當然也會影響社交媒體的事我們會更加想展現女性的事或關於小孩的事等等這就是我可以說的社交媒體在社交媒體我們必須做到影響影響其實可能最大的影響會影響社交媒體的事我覺得在我們的歷史我們可以看到當有新的技術能夠增加還是能夠增加而在他的手上這是新的一件事我曾經說在他的生命中我從來沒有想我只是想說我喜歡我告訴你我覺得是一種充滿充滿充滿的技術是否充滿充滿充滿的技術我覺得這是新的方式與技術我覺得這是一個很好的平衡為人們分享他們的觀點我們在我們的歷史我覺得我們做的是很重要你發出訊息社交媒體是一個非常重要的謝謝所以大家同意社交媒體是不像自然的社交媒體我們必須去設立社交媒體的合作我個人加入了社交媒體社交媒體叫做社交媒體而在我的說話中在社交媒體社交媒體社交媒體能夠立即設立社交媒體而我們在社交媒體我們會發出一個很重要的事業我們會發出很重要的社交媒體我們會發出很重要的事業我們會發出很重要的事業我們會發出很重要的事業我們會發出很重要的事業我們會發出很重要的事業我們會發出很重要的事業我們會發出很重要的事業我們會發出很重要的事業我們會發出很重要的事業我們會發出很重要的事業or even beyond 2050 and so on, what do you think will be the impact of the generation raised on AR and VR technologies in terms of hard-core chip.So maybe let's start with that.首先,今天所謂的大規模是怎麼來計算的?沒錯,因為這個像古龍這樣的古典藝術精品規主要收藏的當然因為它已經不再是當代的社會一般人很容易就可以期盡它有原感所以從這個這些科技科幫忙的這角角度來說其實它事實上我們這個多少降低這些門檻用各種各樣的方法讓我們的門檻可以降低這對我們來說超好說但是其實也就是因為我們是古典藝術精品所以我們也不太希望這一個科技那麼強力的進入我們這個領域因為我曾經聽過科技的大家跟我們說他們已經幾乎可以讓我們專家都難以分辨出它是複製品的時候老實說我心裡也是默默的也就是說其實這裡就有一個很重要的難捏的問題我們對我們來說我們是既愛又胖一定有這個兩岸所以也就是說我們這種像我們這樣的博物館我們應該借助這些科技但是這些科技應該在什麼樣的範圍裡面或者是怎麼樣的適度使用我想這以後會是我們的新的科技無論是我們的同仁也好像我這種現在在當經營者的人也好都是一個很大的挑戰所以我才說老實說我們是妙害妙害但是這當然是一個很大的挑戰基於所有的 museum 和監獄所以我希望可以有你的意見其實很難說到底會有什麼影響20,000,000,000,000,000,000,000我們都知道但當然我們確定會有什麼影響而我們是關於 digitalization和 digital creativeness當然是新的但並不是新的因為我們只有一個經濟我們要在意最重要的是 human creativityand human creation如果我們要在15th century或是在19th century或是在19th century當然所有的技術都會有很強烈的影響當然我們也會有所以要說什麼當然要說但是可能這是很強烈的看著年輕人在二十年中使用這些技術這很重要因為他們能夠與經濟技術和技術也能夠使得他們的技術變成了自然的技術因為他們是使用了任何新的技術例如在台灣France世界上所以我不知道會不會是這個影響但是我他們我想我不知道這是我的 personal vision我覺得他們很開放任何技術因為他們是很開放任何新的技術當然因為我必須做到當然也許他們能夠開放新的技術因為我從來沒有玩過任何影片但我我從小我從小我從小我的年輕人我的年輕人他已經在玩很多影片當我看著他看著他的France他們能夠做出新的技術包括主要的技術但也需要做出一個類似的技術我很清楚在於他們的技術他們會做出他們的技術但他們在2015年我希望他們可以做出他們的技術對開放開放遊戲和玩家就是非常重要為了他們再次非常非常重要的問題關於我們來講關於藝術我覺得藝術是能夠能夠能夠能夠能夠帶我們兩種兩種我們能夠使用這個技術能夠進行更深入解釋或進行技術就是一個新的技術或新的技術能夠做出更多註明或進行進行這這就是我們我們我們我們另一個是是如果不是技術實際但技術所以是是是可能能夠再次或能夠再次再次這個技術能夠再次做出藝術或進行進行這個技術這個技術當然是因為是是同一情況在影片裏面所以你只會有新的新的新的技術你可以想像有新的技術但是我們在新疆當然有新的技術或新的技術新的技術原來不能再次所以這是很好的問題因為它可能例如像像我們有太太多人在使用我想想可能這是可能或去去去來但可以造成一個與人可以找到看他們的新的技術可以找到一個悲劇劇有可能這是新的技術2 個很重要的問題1 是我們談到的關鍵它能夠兼顧兩種關鍵但問題和肯定的討論是一種理想像你花了很多時間用原來的方式但你會想到另一種方式那會變成問題我覺得在建築中我們會說我們建築的方式是很像誰能想像30 年代的建築我們作為一個建築一件很興奮的事是讓我們看到藝術人從100 年代的建築使用了作為建築的方式這就是我們建築的我希望人們會有機會享受國際藝術和藝術看到藝術人和藝術人和我們作為我們必須考慮我們建築的方式是一種非常美麗的建築我認為藝術人會問如何建築藝術人如何建築藝術人如何建築藝術人如何建築藝術人還有藝術人想個建築我們作為藝術人對我們是很重要的因為藝術人是很重要的因為藝術人是很重要的因為藝術人在大業的思路上我們可以能夠他不想重新創造一間公園我覺得這很重要當我們工作時我們經常問這是什麼故事我們問一些藝術人我們問藝術創作人或創作人所以這很重要我們以AR這類似的技術就像其他技術它有不同的側面如果使用藝術我覺得這絕對有效我們以AR這三類技術我認為有些人已經提供了首先我認為這絕對幫助藝術人或創作人如何保護這些藝術我覺得很多藝術人或藝術創作人藝術創作人是200、300年我們不直接把藝術創作人都輸出大家也都不可以在網上看所以AR是一個很好的解決讓人們看到很近來真的很正常的設計不只是2D或影片另外是遮掩大家可以再看當然去到藝術這樣不管他們有什麼Letter還有很多藝術人但也要看這幾件事但幸好很多人沒有這樣做所以VR是一個很好的方式最後是,我覺得它是新的藝術這是我們看到的我覺得這件事是很驚訝的我們在工作時,我們會與藝術人和Van Spinale 同學一起合作我們會看到一個新的方式使用這技術這也是很驚訝的這就是我們看到的藝術藝術我們看到的藝術是一種新的藝術是一種新的藝術所以這是一個新的藝術而在新的藝術是一種新的藝術這就是我們和藝術的藝術合作的藝術這是一種新的藝術但藝術藝術的原來藝術的藝術這也是很重要的因為藝術藝術可能會被修補簡單地反映而藝術藝術當然是藝術藝術所以這也是很重要的這件事是很驚訝的接下來藝術藝術是一件很驚訝的問題所以在自然的事實中我們想象中我們可以想象我已經想象中當然是這就是我的想象中藝術藝術我們應該批評但這次我們可以想象中藝術藝術我們可以想象中我們可以想象中當我們要做這是是很驚訝的這是很驚訝的這是很驚訝的但是如果你有什麼想象我想這也是很驚訝的特別是新藝術的前一段問題對不對,SKM我想這就是我們剛才一再說的這一波的數位真的太大排山倒海而來這個排山倒海而來他當然的任何科技絕對不會是一個中性他一定會第一,他不是中性或許我們看之下他就是中性但他絕對不是中性然後大家就知道有那麼大排山倒海而來所以他其實隱藏著一個致命的吸引力把我們往什麼方向去帶去這個是需要注意的如果沒有注意這個所以我的意思是說這就是我剛才開始說新的科技,新的時代一定要有新的規則跟新的倫理甚至新的警覺性這是一個很嚴重的問題在整個的人文社會的這一方面一定要好好地去面對他的另外一個就是從比較低層次來說對於博物館來看的話他就是對原來狀態的衝擊力道很大這個衝擊力道每一個博物館每一個社會他的承受能力多大這個也必須考慮另外的是但是他其實是提供了一個提供的可以說是你無法想像的無法數現在就很清楚的可以知道的那個無限的可能性那個無限的可能性是很吸引人的但是那個對於既有的各種狀況的衝擊是我們所懼怕的那所以像譬如說故宮會做這樣的事情甚至辦這樣的這個研討會其實就是說我們正面的面對這一個怎麼逃怎麼你迴避都迴避不了的衝擊但是我們必須心逃了點真的老實說像這種年紀再加上我的文科背景老實說我真的是我不斷地講不斷地講這句話我不斷地講這句話這句話是真的這是一個人類無名史上很新的要面對的大和平就是其實是一種對於未來的而在面對未來而讓未來讓我們對現在的一切變得更無奈對於可能性是很棒的謝謝你我想這句話是無奈的所以當然我們必須做出這句話因為這句話是很開放這句話是很重要的我們必須講這句話所以其實這句話是很重要的因為這句話是很重要的 even virtual reality is not reality and even reality and I mean the core reality of course it is not easy to speak about organisms, but still the core reality needs to be interpreted and that's a reason why I think for us, within the loop we are very much interested跟HTC 和 thank you very much my dearbut it's an experienceit's something that we are being done for the first timeof course that we will continue, I'm sure of thatbut it's something that needsit was very interesting for me to follow the overall experienceand I followed it very carefullybecause I understood that each time we have been doing somethingin terms of ethnologywe have needed toto assess it in terms of contactand ethnology is something of courseand you remember when we were working togetherethnology is the thing that we need to say somethingthat could be maybe not rightbut as right as possibleand ethnology is nothing without knowledgeand it is nothing without contentit is nothing without assessing this contentso for me it's very close to what Marcus was saying about cinemait's very close of cinemaand we see that we will take thatand it's very close to the firstin fact movie directorsat the end of the 19th centurythe beginning of the 20th centurythey need to create something newand of course with realitybecause it's space for cinema needsto have a realityin fact in front of the camerabut still with interpretationand it's the same way of doing thatso of course there are black spotsand we need to tell people that there are black spotsI'm not claiming for the VR reality at the Louvrebut Mona Lisait is the actual Mona Lisaof course notit's our interpretationof what she could have beenand it's very important to say soand if you say soif you are clear enough with thatand if also you are creatingother devices along to the VRthen it's clearif you tell people this is realitythenin a nutshellwhen they do be inclusivewith not for VRand if it becomes exclusive to VR onlythen they have a problemso I totally agreeI won't add many thingsjust I wish to stress againthat its reality is not only visualityand I think it's very importantthat the reality of courseis just a simple imageand you are also the cloudand the smear and so onso for me it's a rich practiceto imagine that the way tofeel the reality will be only through the imageand it's unfortunatelyit's more and more like thisso our sense of realityis perhaps a little bit poor nowit's a dangerso instead of my smileit's like you keep their smilewe would becomehandling that by over a concentration of visualand I think as curatorsand as creatorswe just need to be awarethat we will have these blind spotsand as we adopt new technologieswhen we catch ourselveswith these blind spotswhen we do something next timewe mitigate for thatand to be considered and thoughtfuland look at our processesand show us to make thingsover a period of timethe best they can bea blind spotor just a challengeI think with a new media like VRit changes the way people tell storiesso for example yes cinemaso when you write a script with VRit's completely different perspectiveso the first person's experienceis not just like you watching the screenso with an immersive medium like thisI feel like if you've done it badlythen it's worseso yeahyou feel not just boredbut you feel dizzythat's technologythat stuff like thatso yes I think with VRit's just very importantlike how to tell the storyso that's why I saidit's very importantwhen you work with our partnersit's not like us creating thisit's work with them to tell their storiesto verify the contentsin every detailyou just need to make surethat it's correctthen you can providea really good experiencefor the visitorsbut if you do it not so wellthen it convertsfor the actual experiencenever design experiencethat one would not liketo experience oneselfI think this is very importantin the sensethat the blind spotswill keep changingas the medium evolvesand the reminderabout inclusionagain is very importantso in the lightof the spirit of inclusionif anyone who don'thave a mobile phoneor who don't prefertyping your questionsnow is a chanceto be includedplease feel free to raiseyour handsand ask a questionto the panelists如果用手機打字比較不習慣或不方便的朋友們現在是一個很好地可以去什麼問題的一個機會在我們之前我們還有大概十幾分鐘的時間現在現在沒有朋友可以舉手有一位請我們王主任有一個風話可以提過去謝謝I want to askbecause mostlymuseumwill sharewith technologyand with mostlyfocus on audienceexperiencebut I want to knowmore abouthow would museumhelp with artistslet's sayartiststhey can usetheir own aspectto tell the audiencehow they drawand thenif the museumcan use technologyto combine withthe artistaspectsthen I thinkit will bestrongly helpthe audienceto know moreabout the art itselfthank youso it's about the emotionin the artist's shoeswhen they arecreatingthis is ainteresting visionof the artthat we havenot yet exploredso any thoughtsfrom me in the end這個安住創造者在古古來說傳統的辦法是厚厚固固的內容專家的研究然後把原來的作品作者講話他的講話的方式可能是透過一個策展來把文生品講話懂以上的講話所以沒錯這個當然藝術家當然他當然可以用用這個現在馬上的新科技跟這個藝術家合作但是像故宮這樣的基本上是原來的辦法是靠我們的內容專家但是就剛才說這個新科技的這個導入之後我們的這一些內容專家會需要新科技的辦法因為新科技最低層次新科技可以幫他減震這個以前用人的眼睛用人的觸感用他的就是沒有辦法理解的那一種自來無話在更高一層次的話其實他告訴我們原來董祈昌不只是存在還沒Google可以把全世界的董祈昌有可能因為透過這個科技的幫忙會整站起來所以我們會看到我們的內容專家有機會去在更完整的資訊裡面去了解董祈昌幫董祈昌講話更何況其實我們的本身的策展就是在重新的進行詮釋這些重新的進行詮釋剛才我們很多朋友都已經提到這個數位的展覽就是一個我們沒有辦法用的實體展覽去達到所以他的詮釋會更加的有可能性這也才是說因為數位擱減倒入他有太多的可能性等在我們去發掘他所以這是一個很吸引的部分所以剛才我講下來大家覺得我是一個悲觀論者不過不見得的確這一波的數位的確是讓我們有無限的可能性所以從顧問這些以前的這個創作大家來說至少可以做到這樣的程度我覺得這很棒很感動而且很棒我們在這個展覽中可以幫助人們把感覺的作品的形式都在創作我們我們我們設計了小型的圖片我們用來展示例如所有的技術所有的技術作品我們展示他們在特殊的圖片裏面展示藝術所以很重要還有一個很大的問題是展示藝術的作品在我們我們我們我們我們我們我們我們我們我們我們我們我們我們我們我們我們我們我們我們我們我們我們我們我們我們我們我們我們我們我們我們我們我們我們我們我們我們我們我們我們我們為我們解釋他們的解釋過程這不是策略因為他們花了很多時間在工作上我們看到他們花了兩、三、四、五、六、六、十分鐘是十分之十分之十分之十分之十分所以我們的目標不是我們的目標但是我們的目標是幫助人們花那麼多時間他們需要在工作上但這不是很容易因為當你不喜歡工作他們可以很嚴重的方式很嚴重的方式所以這就是所有的需要當然技術和解釋是很重要的但你們的解釋是很重要的我們現在做的一件事更多的事不是只要有更多的產品但也要有更多人人類的東西其實人類的東西是要歡迎人而是要幫助他們這也是我們做的是要邀請藝術人不僅要展示他們的創意在藝術中甚至在藝術中是藝術藝術的年輕藝術人但也要邀請藝術人我們開了一個美麗的表演Pierce HoulagePierce Houlage是一個很重要的藝術人他在這個年輕藝術是在100歲的時候我們也邀請了年輕藝術人我們也邀請了少許多藝術藝術人但藝術人例如一些學生例如威爾威爾或其他人還有一些請問在創造的過程中在創造藝術和藝術和創造藝術在創造藝術的過程中對於藝術藝術人的做法對於藝術藝術人的做法我認為它是很淺激的關於藝術藝術人還有為了解釋創造藝術人的現代藝術藝術藝術人但我認為在創造藝術藝術人的比喻是更重要的為了解釋例如創造藝術藝術人還有創造藝術藝術人例如創造藝術藝術人所以創造藝術藝術人在創造藝術人的講解有關藝術藝術人但進入進入製造藝術的過程中是更容易從這個人類的或人類的講解還有創造藝術人我們是利用藝術藝術人這是另一個問題我知道有些藝術藝術人玩過這個技術我認為例如是法國藝術藝術人但這是創造藝術人技術藝術人等等創造藝術藝術人是只有創造藝術藝術人唯有例如法國藝術人是創造藝術人但創造藝術人是創造藝術人所以我覺得這是重要的我說過創造藝術藝術人是創造藝術藝術人創造藝術藝術人創造藝術藝術人創造藝術藝術人創造藝術人創造藝術人創造藝術人創造藝術人創造藝術人創造藝術人創造藝術人創造藝術人創造藝術人創造藝術人創造藝術人創造藝術人創造藝術人創造藝術人創造藝術人創造藝術人對我們來說,這件事對我們來說是很興奮的就是讓新一代的藝術人員繼續建立新的藝術風格來看為何那種方式讓我們在未來的環境中看得到我認為根據我們的經驗我們用藝術人員來創造作品例如是藝術人員或是藝術人員或是故事人員這就是一個很合理的經驗所以這並非藝術人員和藝術人員當然我們需要很多其他藝術人員例如是蒙古里斯我們有創作室在墨西斯我們也在這裡我們需要技術和提供我們需要藝術人員例如其他藝術人員我們需要藝術人員這項工作很合理所以這並非藝術人員和藝術人員幫助我們或是我們幫助藝術人員所以這並非藝術人員用藝術人員來創造作品這並非藝術人員我們從我們的經驗來看當然我們有新一代藝術人員有技術和提供技術我們也有新一代藝術人員我們也有新一代藝術人員例如是畫家或是劇情人員他們想用藝術人員他們來問我們當然我們需要藝術人員如果需要一些畫面、材料需要一些展示我們也有很多的經驗幫助他們所以我們用藝術人員藝術人員用藝術人員改變了很多不同的圖案所以我希望能回答你的問題但這就是我的觀點謝謝你我非常期待你的回答謝謝你為了提出一個很大的問題例如有一個圖案它有限定藝術人員用藝術人員提供更多的資訊我們也有提供更多的資訊我們也有時間我希望可以提供更多的資訊給你們很興奮的回答還有很大的問題尤其是藝術人員、藝術人員和藝術人員其實藝術人員也有提供更多的資訊對藝術人員提供更多的資訊也有提供更多的資訊現在這些資訊我們感到很感動我們也有提供更多的資訊還有非常多的資訊我們也有提供更多的資訊也有提供更多的資訊我們也有提供更多的資訊所以我們推出現場來賓的提問那我們現在是不是來趁這個難得的機會我們來請現場的嘉賓我們共同拍一張照片留念Let's take some pictures for the membersPlease stand upAnd we will take some pictures right now請各位媒體朋友可以往前我們可以往前幫他們拍照我們先換一下背景Please look forward please謝謝OK然後我們再次謝謝各位貴賓的參與帶給我們一場精采的討論