 and we're back. Uh, we've got, uh, Rick and Denver. How you doing today, Rick? Sure. I think it's taking my call, Dave. So what, what are we looking at here? Uh, XOP. So what are you thinking? Well, I want to enter it, but I think it looks overbought, but I just wanted to get your idea on what you're thinking. An entry point would be, it's, it's like, uh, um, it's exploration. Yeah. I don't see a lot of reason to be in exploration. I think I'd rather be in the crewed itself. Uh huh. Um, the reason is there's just, uh, exploration was great when there was huge amounts of money being spent for offshore and all that stuff. Not so much. You just got to dig a ditch. Um, probably spend a lot more money or buy Caterpillar or something like that because that's where all the money is for exploration now. Um, you just go up there and strip mine a bunch of, uh, of, uh, oil shale up in the Northwest. It's cheap. You don't have to worry about insurance. Uh, you don't have to worry about the BP oil spill stuff. Um, that business has changed and why there's still some of it. It's nothing like it was, uh, in 2006. So we've had a Titanic change in that business, mostly because of the BP oil spill. So, you know, you, you certainly don't see that kind of money being spent in Canada, although they have more wells, probably twice as many new wells this year, uh, as, uh, they had last year. Um, you just, there's, I think a lot of the oil has been found. So why this thing can move up from 20 bucks to 24 bucks. My guess is it would come back to maybe 2250 or something like that. And maybe you could buy it. But, uh, I think the money's probably being made now in actually trading the underlying crude. Does that make sense? Yeah, it does. That's why I want your opinion on it. And it kind of took off and it did, it did take off. It went from 1990 to, I don't know, 24 something and I never got in, but... Yeah, it's just in a big trading range. I can't wait to pull back a little. It seemed like it did. You have some decent volume when it took off. Yeah, it's okay. It's just in a big trading range from about 20 bucks to 24 bucks, maybe 2361. But, you know, we, when you went higher on Friday, uh, on the third, you had 33 million shares compared to last time up there at 40 million shares. So it didn't do with volume. You got kind of a sideways day here now. Um, again, I, everything I see isn't people making giant oil wells and, uh, building giant rigs, up in Sweden that they're towing out to the middle of the Atlantic. Uh, those days are, at least for the midterm, I think you're kind of over. We're gonna, it's kind of like anything that has a disaster. You have to go through a long time and then, you know, when we really need oil again, they'll push out those giant derricks. And there'll be a lot of money in that exploration and, and, uh, rig building stuff. But I don't know, there's just so much oil in the oil shell these days. It just doesn't seem like that's gonna happen anytime soon. At least the foreseeable future. Um, if that was a much bigger issue, maybe in another country, but really they don't have the oil shells that we do. But again, the companies making big money on oil shell, caterpillar, towing stuff around in big dump trucks. Uh, not, not, yeah, not drilling holes, uh, per se is the old way of doing stuff. But, uh, you know, I kind of like a couple of areas, uh, they really haven't paid off quite yet. And that is the transportation of, uh, liquefied natural gas in shipping container, in those ships, businesses that kind of go up and down. But I think that if we get natural gas to stabilize at a price, we should be able to export a huge amount from the United States. So I kind of like that part of it. Uh, and then just naturally trading the up and down in, uh, crude. So, and in the offshoots of it. But, uh, you know, there's so much natural gas, uh, that's available, uh, that literally it's not affordable, uh, to send back out to the, uh, to even put in the pipelines anymore to take it anywhere, because there's so much of it. That tells you that there's probably a lot of oil too, right? So, it does. Yeah, I guess. So I'm, I'm just not thinking that this, I mean, we're gonna have, we've really got a tale of two cities now. We've got the rest of the world, uh, and a couple of those places have oil. We have oil and now are in that exporter of oil. So if everything goes to hell in a hand basket in the mid-east, we'll still have oil and enough. It's the, uh, rest of the world that has real problems, China, those kind of places, and that's where you really see, uh, I think kind of the most interesting part of what's going on, uh, in the mid-east is if we get in a row with Iran and we turn their oil spickets off, well, 80% of that oil is going to China. There's the big losers in this, not us. So, you know, whatever else happens, uh, I think that the narrative out there, uh, is actually fairly bullish for the United States, uh, and this kind of stuff, uh, the UNG and, uh, all the other stuff. I mean, we're kind of separate now. It used to be we were, you know, very linked. So there's, you know, I guess over the years, the the, uh, North Sea oil and the United States kind of diverged, and it just kind of seems like that North Sea, uh, and mid-east oil continue to diverge. But, uh, you know, we're going to find more oil and that stuff happens, but I think crude's kind of topping out, you think? I think it's probably we had a nice little pop with the Iranian deal. Uh, the question is, do you think the Iranians, uh, want to start a brew ha ha? And from everything I read, uh, Russia is about on the same tipping point that the USSR was in 1990. Uh, Putin wants to leave and retire and spend all his ill-gotten gains, but if he does, he'll probably be knocked off by whoever comes in behind him, so he can't really go anywhere. Um, and then you see, like people in Iran who would love to, uh, do, uh, evil, but at the same time, uh, they got oil and that's about it. Um, Great things, Dave. I appreciate it. You bet. So, yeah, I think a lot of, uh, the analysis has just been horrible over the last few days.