 We talked a little bit on the depressing side how people were losing interest in democracy as their flow parameter measures show But something has been happening, not just in Nigeria, but across the continent the last five or so major elections in Africa have seen the incumbents, the powerful, the establishment, beating by people whose parties are not even established in some cases six months before the election like Kenya. Kenya is there, Lesotho, Malawi, you know, so one thing is clear the African people are fed up with the established order. They know it hasn't taken them very far Africans have seen Asians that they were ahead of Zambians, we are ahead of Koreans in the 50s Now the Koreans help them out We've seen Malaysia. Yeah, in 57 as Ghana was becoming independent Malaysia was ahead of, and Ghana was ahead of Malaysia. That's right. Today is complete reverse. You don't want to talk of Almighty Nigeria And I have been part of the legations that went to Malaysia and started with Malaysian officials who said, you know, we came and took pamphlets from West Africa. They didn't want to mention where directly In the 60s, and we are glad Nigeria is now exporting, buying so much supermoyal from us, you know Africans have seen all of this happen because of poor leadership. And Prof, you know, the later Fred Brume, I had a chat with him He told me that he was one of the world bank delegates to, you know, the planning strategy, economic strategy for South Korea, and it worked for them And it was also part of Nigeria's own. And I asked him, why hasn't it worked? It's interesting. We're having this conversation somewhere out of the country not long ago with a group of Asians And we had it, we repeated it actually, when the United Nations officials from UNDP called on Mr. Peter Rubin and Abuja last week I was at that round table and one of the points that just came out of discussion was Asia, even South Korea, you know, within Asia There was a famous world bank planner, economist, called Mabubu Hak. Mabubu Hak was Pakistani and he's given much credit for South Korea's triumph. And the question was, why did Mabubu Hak not do for his country, what he did for the Koreans? And really, truly speaking, this was thrown up in that conversation which said that the difference between, say, Pakistan and South Korea was that the state in South Korea was sufficiently stronger than individual contesting elites. And that's one of Nigeria's problems. Nigeria's elite with their various interests and their desire for state capture are stronger than the Nigerian state So where the state isn't as strong as the contending elites, development is hard. And so you must have a new leadership that can rein in the elite and get a developmental state to emerge. That has not been able to happen in Nigeria because these warlords, who come in different names In Pakistan, you discover that they have really officially accepted the bipolar system where you have the military recognized as part of the democratic process, you know, and then they're now coming and, you know, be part of the system. But I guess the main point is that our democracy has not worked up till now in that, but suddenly last year As has happened in these South African countries, I will mention people got more interested in democracy. The Afro-Boromita must be blowing out now you know, because people had given up. But then we had ensars a generation that is dominant, that is the majority. Nigeria is median age 18, 21 or 2 or whatever And those Nigerians who constituted by far the majority came out to say we don't like how our country is running and this couple of old men said let's kill them and so that really brought a new kind of anger into Nigeria and those young people said, well let's meet them at the polls The result is the emergence of this third force Aujas Turunov, Peter Ubi and Yusuf Dati, Baba Ahmed And so far, you can see the difference in the campaign Whereas Ubi, Dati have focused on issues in this campaign What are the issues that need to be engaged to do better for the Nigerian people? The APC, PDP or is it APC, DC, whatever, I don't know what people call them This is PDAPC 8th, 8th or whatever, you know, my brain is not smart enough to start all that stuff You know, have just focused on insulting each other and digging up more from everywhere Actually diminishing the Nigerian presidency Exactly Because in my view, I would not respect the presidency of a country Where all that they've said is that their potential leaders are all kinds of things which you don't print, I couldn't even speak to However, this process has come full steam to where we are And so today, we're going to be taking on some of those issues that have resonated in the Ubi, Dati campaign We're going to begin in a few minutes with power There is nothing more fundamental than power to progress In terms of material creation of value Quality of life So besides the great social issues like education, health, which are the essence of development Which we'll come back to a little bit because of today's programming Power is what we need to go from consumption to production So in a few minutes, Dr. Jérôme Mokolo will join us Now, let me explain where Dr. Jérôme Mokolo comes from The structure, I mean, there's this thing about structure Who has structure? Who doesn't have structure? Which has been somewhat amusing The structure that the Ubi, Dati campaign organization has run on Includes the structure of the Labour Party It includes the structure of the big tents Which includes the Labour Party, several other political parties That are sympathetic to the third force concept Includes social movements like Labour Movement NLC, TUC and that, right? It includes individual Nigerians Includes several former heads of states, by the way Who don't want to belong to political parties But are pleased to be part of bringing change about in Nigeria Now, inside this big tent There is something we'll call the policy review team And future view Policy review and future view team In some circumstances people call this a shadow cabinet of sorts You know, and that kind of tries to play that role We have full-time persons For different government activities in these policy review teams Dr. Jérôme Mokolo, who probably most I'll stand in mind Some power in Nigeria Is a full-time person for power within that Working group The last telethon, we had a Sheffield-based physician Dr. Loretta Boudouré Aburo Oko Spend quite some interesting time Deep diving into the challenge of healthcare management in Nigeria And we're going to lead off today, she led off last telethon We're going to lead off today with power And have Dr. Jérôme Mokolo Who is a full-time person for power coming here Now, typically each full-time person Releases to a deep dive team The deep dive team is made up of experts who are Nigerian No matter where in the world they may be In the power area, we've had amongst those who have been Major inputters into policy, or policy idea Some Nigerian business in Scotland Cannabidi Some in the United States Some locally here And it's this group that Dr. Okolo has to relate to To firm up a position that's used to then advise the Candidates Peter Ubi and Yusuf Datibaba Ahmed On what their ideal or the optimal choice should be In terms of policy around those areas So Jérôme will join us shortly But the campaign so far The Ubi Datibaba has tried to keep pushing the ideas on power On healthcare, on education and all of this It's not getting responses from the other parties Instead, the other parties are more interested in who is a bigger thief How can we change Nigerian democracy to move from that You are a bigger thief than me To have ideas on how we can fix the problems facing the Nigerian people I'm actually wondering why people should support the candidates You Ubi will say you are looking for a job You should go for an interview and present your credentials Why you should be employed for the job You refuse to face the Nigerian people and tell them what you want to do as a president And you still want them to vote for you And some people are actually following these candidates Who has refused to come to any debate To any forum to say this is what I want to do as a president Are we waiting to get another seven, eight years of what we have today Where the president didn't go to anywhere, didn't talk to anybody And eventually became a president and we can't hold in responsible accountable to anything I just pray we don't get back to that what we had in 2015-2019 Back again, candidates, Ubi is going to everywhere Even when the current candidates have not gone to Even in their own state, Ubi was in Mubi Has gone to everywhere in Nigeria talking to people Trying to serve his policies And what he wants to do as a candidate As when he gets into power And the rest are fighting themselves I can tell you that he has frightened me by some of those moves Fortunately for me I had to go with him to those places And sometimes when a helicopter flying through what is traditional Bukoharam territory I was saying Oh no, it's not this thing But this is commitment I guess Deep commitment And you know there's so much energy in the system Ubi campaign, Ubi Daddy campaign has brought so much energy People are now interested, people are now committed The young ones particularly This is their thing, this is their thing And that's why we are also calling on them to take back the country, their country You know we are in the evening of our lives And the future, okay So it is important for them to come out And the energy proof Even at the Lagos rally It was huge It was huge In fact there was, and then the reaction from the area boys You know I don't know Part of this whole campaign story that needs to be reviewed and the Nigerian state needs to respond to The violence that was meted on people who just wanted to go and express themselves About how they think their country should be around Starbounds, deep, it's not just like slight deep starbounds Winscreens broken Should people who encourage violence As, I mean we know the history of People being blocked from voting True, using all kinds of means Even penetrating our next systems to confuse voting stations in the past Such that you show up and say, ah your police station is not there, it's not there And then you just get tired and you choose not to go This denial of fundamental rights to people By setting interest in people in politics How should our democracy Manage this going forward because it can't continue And how people are managed to go to sleep Knowing that they quote unquote got to positions Denying people their rights to vote and manipulating votes How do people feel? No they don't have conscience anymore These people their conscience are sealed with hot iron So they don't think about the people they don't think about you and I they just think about themselves So why did they complain about coup d'etats? I mean what is going on is a coup d'etat by Pretends to the ballot Of course that's it So why did they complain that soldiers carry out coups? You know prof, you know your uh We you took a trip to um Osho the And and they called it that he's Invasion ah You know, I I have um trying to compare myself often with All kinds of historic Honeybald was not one of those I tried But now that I have ridden you still don't honeybald And I can invade somewhere You see how I mean It's it's base it is Fortunately, I think you were both there when I carried out this in that's right. We were there We were there with you I've heard of Nigerian media were there So so you can just see the inappropriateness in Choice of land Yeah, uh by people who are supposed to be public officials Who's our citizens our citizens we actually know It doesn't Nigeria's Nigeria's some people should not mean She'll not be able to position positions. Yeah, but what can we do? I think a whole lot will will change we just pray because um You know, I sometimes I just imagine, you know, if a diselection the INEC You know, I said, but it does not do each job You know very well Because it all lies on them I know people like Professor Mammoth Who are Intellectuals