 Ladies and gentlemen, may I introduce to you playwright, poet, psychologist, conspiracy theorist, and not to be redundant, stand-up comedian, Robert Anton Wilson. I've been living in Ireland for the last five years and I just want to say it's great to be back in the land of the free and the home of guaranteed drug-free urine. When I was young, I read Kafka and Orwell, and I'm astonished at me the Kafka and Orwell ever thought of a situation in which guaranteed drug-free urine was the commodity I'm trying to find. That was the first thing I was told about when I got off the plane. In Newark, the people showed me ads guaranteed drug-free urine. They come from bullets. They are always there, they're in penthouse, and there's a lot of voice and lots of publication. They all come from the same post office box in Boulder, Colorado. That is a severe puzzlement to me because I've been in Boulder. I've been in Boulder many times. I've been in Boulder and Naderland and Denver and all around there. I don't see how they can find drug-free urine for 150 miles. Then again, I re-read the ads and I noticed they don't say human urine. How many of you have noticed that? You've got to read carefully these days. I don't believe they can find drug-free human urine in that part of Colorado, so I believe they're probably selling cow pests through them there. Well, Ronald Reagan said he would do great things for small business if he kind of liked it. He has created an entirely new small business, selling cow pests through them by hours. That's what I think they're doing. The people who are being subject most heavily to urine testing are government bureaucrats. The people least likely to be smoking grass. Yet one of these days, one of them is going to be coiled in and his boss is going to say to Williger, your urine test showed no drugs, but it seems you've got foot and mouse disease and we're going to have to put you down. But I'm not here to make trouble. I grew up in this country, but I live in Ireland now and I didn't come over here to make trouble. So I want to say I think Ronald Reagan is really a wonderful president. And Nancy is a wonderful, faithful lady. She's the one who thought up the urine test that I've been told, which reminds me one of the local literary lights. He lives in Oregon, but that isn't far from here in American distances. Ken PC, he has proposed that everybody should send a urine sample to Nancy every day. I think that's a revolting idea. I think that is very obscene humor and I'm totally against it. And I hope nobody here will do it. I just mentioned that they tell you not to do it. I don't get the idea I'm urging you to do it. But on the other hand, if you have a lot of test tools, Andy, and no, no, no, no, I really think it's disgusting and you shouldn't do it. But since Nancy is so obsessively concerned with the purity of your urine, maybe you ought to send her one sample a week at least. Maybe we need to order some test tools. Ah, somebody says maybe we need to order some test tools. You can get them at any drug store. Most people don't know that very easy to get them. You can also get empty capsules that you can fill with anything you want. You can get them at drug stores, too. I'm not telling you what to put in the capsules. I'm an individualist, so I'll leave that up to you. I'm not a libertarian, really. I don't know why they invited me here. I used to be a libertarian, but they had too many rules. It's a great deal to be said for Ronald Reagan, though, seriously. I regard him as the intelligent entity's president. You'll notice how I avoided the human shortness of saying the intelligent person's president. I'm very careful about such semantic issues these days. One thing I know about the United States, you've got to be careful what words you use here. And segregation is back in full force, I've noticed. That's the one thing you notice coming back here from Ireland. Back in the 60s, like many other idealistic young people, I know you don't believe I was young in the 60s, but I was comparatively young. When I look around at how many young faces there are in this audience, most of you probably imagine dinosaurs still roam the earth back then. The FBI is taping me again. Ronald Reagan, I was saying, is the intelligent entity's president. I mean this in the same way I regard LBJ as the pacifist's president. He started the wrong war at the wrong time and the wrong place, and he flooded with the most disgusting possible weapons, such as napalm, which reaches a thousand degrees centigrade on contact with human skin. And that war was so, as J.D. Salinger would say, vomit-making. Now, Salinger was a great writer. That's a word we really need in English. Nobody ever coined that word before, Salinger. P.S. Salinger could have used it more often, of course, than we J.D. Salinger would have coined it. That was really a vomit-making war. And by 1968 a Gallup poll showed that 70% of the population were against the war. There's never been a time in the history of this country where 70% of the people opposed the government on a basic thing like war. So I regard LBJ as the pacifist's president. Since he made pacifism so popular. The same way I regard Nixon as the anarchist's president. After five years of Nixon, most people in the country have the same view of government that you find only in extreme anarchist literature, far more extreme than libertarian literature. And as a matter of fact, Nixon left a permanent legacy. You just have to go to the movies that are on television and you can see. Back when I was young, and I was young once, back in the 30s and 40s, he always had to tell the villain in a movie because he had a laboratory smart car. A white laboratory jacket that indicated that he was a scientist. When he wasn't in a movie, he was on television telling you these cigarettes are less harmful than the others. And he always known the villain for his white smart. And the first thing he said was the experiment worked on the rats. Now we must try it on a higher organism. Would you commend this myth? Well, I know Atwell usually played him except for Boris Karloff was playing him. But since Nixon, you know the villain in the movie because he comes in, he's wearing a business suit and a solid color tie. He says, I'm from the government. Everybody, you only try to wait cringes with fear. You want to know why libertarianism is so popular these days? It's Richard Nixon. Those of you who are not atheists, you should all say a prayer for Richard Nixon every night. He created the image of government in which libertarianism can flourish. And anarchism flourishes even better. And in the same way Reagan is the intelligent entities president. I still haven't slipped into saying the intelligent person, you notice. I'm not going to give way to human chauvinism. Reagan has made stupidity seem day-class. Nixon had 18 minutes erased from the tape and Reagan goes around with his bare face hanging out saying, I don't know what was going on in the White House. Do you know what was going on in your house that week? I have a funny thing about the Reagan game, but I don't remember what I was doing that day. Can you remember what you were doing that day? Most people think, oh, I can't remember what I was doing that day. And so that seems to make sense, but put it in another way. Put it in a more realistic existential context. Can you remember the last time you inspired on a major felony? I remember every major felony I've involved in it. I remember exactly the last time I got involved in a major felony. And if Reagan really can't remember when he conspired to commit these major felonies, then what the Democrats say must be true. The guy is off his knocker. But what am I doing? I come to this country and I start bad-wrapping the president right away. Well, this is a thing about living in Ireland to begin to develop Irish attitudes. I was in the movie theater in Dublin recently and in Ireland they have travel odds before the movies, just like they used to have in the United States back in the 40s. And in many ways, Ireland is like the United States in the 30s or 40s. And I get used to it. I have to sit through a travel odd before I can see the movie I came for. I don't know why they make travel odds. I've never met anybody who, everybody has to meet anybody. Do you like the travel odd? They'll say, God, no. And they keep making travel odds. Somebody must be making this. This is another conspiracy that's worthy of serious investigation. Why do they make travel odds? Nobody likes them. But they still show them in Ireland. I was in the Dublin theater and they had a travel odd about the Glastonbury Cathedral. And it was narrated by Prince Charles. You know, Prince Charles, you know. He's married to Di. And at the end of the film, Prince Charles came on the screen after we just heard his voice for 15 minutes. He came on the screen and pleaded with everybody to send money to the Glastonbury Fund to help rebuild Glastonbury Cathedral. And as soon as he appeared before he even began his play, a Dublin inner city voice in the audience cried out, Look at the fucking ears on the booger! That's the Irish attitude to it. I've acquired some of that while I was setting it over there. I don't know. All this bum-rapping of Reagan is rather unfair. I'd like to say a few words in defense of stupidity. Stupidity has been around so long that it must be serving some evolutionary function. That's common Darwinian savvy. Nothing lasts for long geological epics that isn't serving some function in the evolutionary process. And look how much stupidity there is in the world. As my spiritual leader, J.R. Bob Dobbs, you are familiar with J.R. Bob Dobbs, I hope. We must have Slack, yes. J.R. Bob Dobbs is the founder of the Church of the Subgenius in Dallas. I was recently a guest on his radio show, The Hour of Slack. An hour of Slack every Sunday evening on Dallas Radio. Slack is the goal of the subgenius. The subgenius must have Slack, but somebody threw that in from the back about Slack distractively. But I really wanted to call it from Bob. Praise Bob. Praise Bob. This is a marvelous saying. This is the key to power, which libertarians aren't interested in, of course, except when they're running for office. Look, the secret of power J.R. Bob Dobbs has put it all in a nutshell. Do you know how dumb the average guy is, right? You all know that. Mathematically, by definition, half of them are even dumber than that. Absolutely. Mathematically, it's got to be true. How do you think Raj Nish got the 93-year-old's voices? Some people think he got 93 because he was an admirer of Alistair Crowley. This is the pregnant moment, which half the people in the audience look confused and the other half chuckled mildly, having gotten that very obscure capitalistic joke. I throw in a few jokes just for specialized members so I can spot who they are. When I get to the drug jokes, I don't know who the pushers are. Oh, wait, I get a few drug jokes already. Let's get something serious. Have you taken peptides into your heart? Brothers and sisters, you need peptides. You feel let down. You feel the world isn't treating you right. You feel you've got problems you can't solve. You feel that you need something extra in your life. You feel your life is empty and meaningless. You need peptides, brothers and sisters. You just open your heart and take in peptides and you will find the peace that passeth all understanding. Are you ready for peptides? Are you willing to accept peptides? Are you going to take peptides into your heart? Send money! I'll give you my address in a minute. I'll tell you where to send them. I will tell you all about peptides. Meanwhile, I'll give you a brief hint. I've been traveling through the south for the last couple of months. I'm on a lecture tour that I've been on for about three months now and I've got one month to go. I've been pressurized and depressurized and repressurized and depressurized. I have crossed time zones. I have gone from East Germany to Maui in one week and from Maui to Atlanta, Georgia in another week. It's a fascinating experience. You find you can't build a reality tunnel. You can't create a consistent reality when you're traveling that fast. Everything turns into a blur. But there is one thing that stands by me, brothers and sisters, is one thing that's peptides. You know what peptides are? Peptides are those little wonders that don't know whether they're neurotransmitters or hormones. Sometimes they act like neurotransmitters and sometimes they act like hormones. And if you've got enough peptides, you are doing fine. Yeah, peptides, neurotransmitters make the networks in your brain that make up memory and make the capacity for learning. Peptides select the realities you experience. I think that's worth repeating. Peptides select the realities you experience. Everybody has their own private reality tunnel. If this was one of my workshops, I would do a couple of exercises to show you that you've got your own reality tunnel different than anybody in the audience. But since this is just a brief talk, you can come to my seminar two weeks from now in Seattle and I'll demonstrate that. Meanwhile, what makes up the networks is to hold the brain together and make consistency out of the chaos of signals that are bombarding us all the time. It's been estimated that we're receiving 100 million signals every minute. The brain is processing more of them, the very few of them can be admitted to consciousness. The brain sends most of them down to the body to deal with. It just wipes the slate clean. Peptides determine which signals are going to be imprinted on the brain and remember that they've become part of your reality tunnel. They're the reality outside you. Everybody thinks it's outside them, even though the peptides are what's selecting it. And the peptides not only select your realities, they carry you into hormones or they act like hormones and they run all over your body and make you feel high. It's peptides that have made you the person you are and if you don't have enough peptides, you're leading a pretty miserable life. That's why you need more peptides. Send a... How much? Well, now if I were really one of those fundamentalist creatures that I've been doing a bit of an imitation of, I would say, send money and... No, you produce your own peptides. Everybody produces their own peptides. The problem is most of us don't know how to produce peptides. There's been a lot of... That was part of my defensive stupidity. You know, the stupidest thing the United States government has done in my lifetime. I was, in my opinion, a banning LSD research in 1966. That was the most promising area of psychotherapy and unleashing potential creativity and creating basic behavior change that we had ever discovered in the whole history of psychology. I have a degree in psychology myself so I have a right to be skeptical about it. Our psychologists don't know a chef. Basically. In all my years of studying psychology, I've only found one law that seems to me to be really true and that wasn't in any psychology class. That was in a movie called The Magnificent Seven with Ewell Brenner and Steve McQueen. And some of you remember that blessed movie, Praise Bob. There's a scene in there where Eli Wallach, as the head of the bandits, has captured the seven gunfighters who have been hired to defend these Mexican farmers from the bandits. He captures all seven of them and he says, now I'm going to have to kill you. And it's really a terrible shame. Talented men like you, so good with the guns and I have to kill you all because you went to work for these dumb farmers. Why did you do that? Farmers are sheep and sheep are meant to be sheared. Why did you get yourself into this terrible situation? And Steve McQueen says, well, it's like a fella I knew once in El Paso. He took off all his clothes and jumped in a clump of cactus. And when people afterwards asked him, why did you do that, you damn fool? He said, well, it seemed like a good idea at the time. And when I saw that film, I thought, Praise Bob, this is the one psychological law that really seems consistent. That's why people do most things. There are all sorts of complicated Freudian, Adlerian, Jungian theory. But the main reason people do things is because it seemed like a good idea at the time. That's why I agreed to do three lecture tours this year. Peptides. Peptides, when they're acting like neurotransmitters, you are developing tremendous capacities to learn. If you're learning very rapidly, have you gone through periods where you felt you were learning a lot very fast? Have you had times when you had a tremendous burst of insight and you thought, God, this is what Archimedes felt like when he cried Eureka and ran through the streets? That's peptides working as neurotransmitters. Your brain has reorganized on a higher level of coherence. Have you ever felt good all over without taking cocaine? Really, really great swimming. That's peptides. They work as both neurotransmitters and hormones. And there are many ways of triggering the release of peptides. Meditation is a well-known way. Well-known in the Orient. Many people in the United States have taken up meditation in the last 20 years. If you get good at meditation and you start feeling higher than a kite and you think, oh, man, I don't have to pay those horrible marijuana bills anymore. You have learned how to generate more peptides. That's what you've been doing while you've been meditating. Another way of generating a lot of peptides is work that you really enjoy. Look at Michael Hutchison's book, Megabrain. I'm not making any of this up. I've been joking a bit, but I'm not joking about peptides. If you're doing work you deeply enjoy, you're releasing floods and floods of peptides every day. I used to wonder, why am I so happy and most of the world is so damn miserable? What's wrong with them? I even wrote a book about it. I wrote a book called Prometheus Rising. Plug, plug, plug. Somebody read it. I was trying to explain to people how to... Originally, he had a subtitle which the publisher, Dudo Epsom, might in this left out. The subtitle was How to use the human brain for fun and profit. That's what the book is about. It was my best ideas about how you can use your brain more efficiently. That was because I was grieved in my heart and sorrowful to see so much misery and suffering all over the world and people using their brains entirely for misery and suffering. Some people, if you tell them it's Wednesday, they say, oh my God, it's Wednesday. They go into a collapse right away. Anything you tell them, you know, they find it's another cause for misery. That's because they're just not producing enough peptides. They're producing a lot of adrenochrome and other negative chemicals like that. I finally found out from this recent research on brain chemistry the reason I'm so bloody happy is that I enjoy my work. I sit down there at the word processor for one of these lecture tours. I sit at the word processor for about 10 hours at a batch. My wife keeps saying, come and eat something for Christ's sake, you'll starve. You're going to get ice-drain again. Come on, I'm still hammering away at the word processor and you know why I'm doing it? I'm addicted. I'm addicted to my own peptides. I'm producing more and more peptides all the time. That's why people keep climbing mountains. Somebody gets to the top of the Matterhorn and they say, wow, what an achievement. He says, I want to go off to the Himalayas now. That's because he's getting high on mountain climbing. Anything you really deeply enjoy produces peptides. That's one of the best arguments for a libertarian society. If people could do what they really enjoy, they'd all be high and happy. High and happy people don't go around making others miserable. I have made a close study of the people who spend most of their time trying to make other people miserable. My conclusion is they're all miserable themselves. That's why they do it. If you're happy, you have no need to make others miserable. Work you really enjoy, meditation, it seems that a lot of popular recreational drugs are precursors of peptides. You're not really getting high on your favorite drug. You're probably getting high on the peptides that that drug triggers in your brain. Sex frequently triggers the release of peptides, which is why you find it very easy to remember your best sexual experiences. Art that's deeply moving. If you've really been carried out of yourself by Beethoven's ninth, perhaps, that's because Beethoven pushed your peptide buttons. And now there are machines to produce peptides. How many people have heard of these new brainwave machines? I got a terrible reputation back in the 60s for going around talking about psychedelics. But now I'm not talking about them anymore because we've got more efficient tools now. We've got machines. Some people tell me, don't go around talking about these machines. The next thing you know, the government will make them illegal, too. It seems there are several million people in the United States using one type or another of brainwave machine, most of them encouraged by their doctors. So I think it's too late to turn the clock back on that, and I don't think they will be made illegal. So I think these machines are here to stay. If you want to generate more peptides, get yourself an Isis machine. And you just turn it down to alpha. You just turn the dial. That's all it is. It's as simple as the television says. You just turn to alpha. And the Isis machine flickers alpha in your eyes and bombards alpha in your ears and your brain adjusts to alpha and dolphins and all sorts of peptides start forming. And you'll find you're a much more creative person than you ever realized you were. Turn it down to theta, and you'll get so creative that you might alarm your neighbors. But I seem to have digressed. I'm talking about becoming more creative, more free, getting higher and happier, and I really started out to talk about the evolutionary advantages of stupidity, yes. Yeah, well, we're talking about getting more creative, more free, and more evolutionary advantages of stupidity, yes. Yeah, well, there's so much stupidity around it must be serving a function. Voltaire said, the only way to understand what mathematicians mean by infinity is to contemplate the extent of human stupidity. And anybody who studied religious history will have to agree with that. You know, to let up on America for a while, you know, over in Iran they are governed by a man who believes he is in contact with Allah. Allah is a gaseous vertebrae of some sort, of astronomical heft, who dictated the Koran to Muhammad. And Allah has a paranoid obsession with the sexual behavior of domesticated primates. And among other things that the Ayatollah has learned from Allah is that divorce is so horrible that it should not be granted except in extremely few and specified situations. The Ayatollah has written a commentary on the Koran in which he specifies that if a man is in the habit of sodomizing camels that does not give his wife the right to a divorce. Now, she might catch something worse than AIDS, but Allah is very strict about divorce. However, the Ayatollah does say that if a man is in the habit of sodomizing his brother-in-law, then Allah says his wife can get a divorce. So you see, the Ayatollah is a flaming liberal in comparison with the Pope. The Catholic teaching is that divorce is forbidden in all cases. And the Catholics like Guy and Rand are strict Aristotelians, so to them all cases means all cases. In Ireland, where the Catholic church is still in full power, divorce is still illegal. And Guy can sodomize all the camels he can find in County Kerry and his brother-in-law too, and his wife still can't get a divorce. So the Catholic God is even more against divorce than Allah is. And if you look at political history, you'll find even more astounding examples of the infinitude of human stupidity. Well, praise Bob. That's the secret of power, as Bob says. You know how dumb the average guy is? Half of them are even dumber than that, right? Yeah, that's how Raj and Isha got 93 Rolls Royces. He grew up in India, in a small town in India, a most impoverished part of the world, and he read in a newspaper when he was seven years old that Christian and Brady had gotten himself a Rolls Royce. Just by coming to the western world and bringing Hindu wisdom to all the seekers in the western world, Christian and Brady realized there's a seeker born every minute. So Raj and Isha said, when I grow up I am going to the western world, and he came to the western world and he found there are even more seekers now than they were in Christian and Brady's day, and he got himself 93 Rolls Royces. And you can do the same. I was talking peptides before, and now I'm talking cash on the barrel head. The sub-genius church is doing better all the time just because Bob got caught in an elevator with L. Ron Hubbard in 1957. And L. Ron Hubbard told him the secret of power just as I have revealed it to you tonight, as Bob revealed it to me when I met him in Dallas on that blessed day. And as H. L. Menken said, nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people. Some people were horrified when they read, I've been hearing this all through this tour, people say to me, didn't you get chills of terror when you read that the readers of the National Inquirer voted 15 to 1 that they'd like to have Ali North as president? And I said no. I'd be surprised if the readers of the National Inquirer didn't pick Ali North. But if it was a choice, if you gave the readers of the National Inquirer a choice between Paul Newman and Ali North, they'd pick Paul Newman. I'm not here to try to revolutionize the Libertarian Party. They brought me here. I'm their guest. I don't want to make problems. But I think the Libertarian Party is a little bit naive, almost as naive as the Democrats. You keep talking about issues as if there are people out there who can think. Now, you want to make an impact on American politics. What you want to do is persuade Paul Newman to become a Libertarian and be your presidential candidate. He'd beat Ali North hands down. He'd beat anybody the Republicans or Democrats could find. The only possible way the Republicans or Democrats or the socialists, for that matter, the only way anybody could beat the Libertarians if you had Paul Newman is if somebody was smart enough to get George Burns. I don't know. Most people really believe George Burns is God. Do you know when somebody gets sick on a soap opera, people send in Get Well cards? They have that little sense of the distinction between fiction and reality. When JR got shot, people were sending condolence letters to Sue Ellen. I saw Dallas in German recently, and that was an unforgettable experience. Can you imagine JR and Sue Ellen and Bobby and even the black servants all talking German? It gives an entirely different flavor to Dallas. I saw that in Berlin. When I went to Berlin, my wife made me promise I wouldn't go to East Berlin. She thinks I'm too much of an adventurer. I don't know if she ever got that idea. So I promised her I wouldn't go to East Berlin and then I found to get from Bavaria to Berlin. I had to go through East Germany. And you know what? It's even worse than you libertarians think. Really. They come on the train in the middle of the night and they wake you up and say, you are papers, bleeds. And they look just like the Nazis in those old war movies that I grew up on. I couldn't believe it. They have the same expressions, the same accents. They walk the same way. There's a whole mechanical man bit that Wilhelm Reich analyzed in the best psychology of fascism. And when the train stops at a station, they have secret policemen get off the train with Tommy guns and stand on the other side so nobody can get off the train on the wrong side and sneak into East Germany to do mischief against them. It is even more paranoid than Washington. And that's saying a lot. I got out of East Germany and I felt just like the hero of that recent film, Gotcha. Have you seen Gotcha? When he gets out of East Germany, he turns around and says, fuck you! That's just the way I felt when I finally got there. But I did get out of East Germany and now I'm back in the land of the free. And you know, back in the 60s, I was involved in the desegregation movement. Not on sentimental grounds. I felt very pragmatic about it. I had the idea that if we didn't, this country didn't change radically in the matter of race relations. We were going to have an increasingly violent problem escalating to the point where in a hotel, in an average hotel, you'd have three locks and signs telling you how to protect yourself while you're in your room. Now I know that sounds paranoid, but that's what it seemed to me was likely to happen. So I thought we needed to desegregate this country. And to some extent, this country has desegregated a bit. The blacks can sit anywhere on the bus they want now. Now it's the smokers who have to sit in the back. And well, that's primate psychology. One of my standard lectures is called How to Tell Your Friends from the Apes. And the point of the lecture is that it's pretty difficult in most cases. It's a basic feature of primate psychology that you've got to have an out-group. Like how many of you have ever heard of the Tinkers? My God, this is incredible. You probably know that Northern Ireland isn't part of Ireland too, right? Most Americans tell me, why do you live in Ireland? Doesn't the violence frighten you? There's no violence in Ireland. It's one of the most peaceful countries in the world. The violence is in Northern Ireland, but most people can't tell the difference. Most people in this country don't know they're two different countries. And most people here have never heard of the Tinkers. Generally called the Tinkers. That's a bunch of people who were dispossessed from their lands by Oliver Cromwell in the 17th century. And they've been on the roads ever since. And Ireland, which has the honor of being the only country in Europe which never persecuted the Jews, as Mr. Deasy says in Joyce's Ulysses, because they never let them in. No, actually there are Jews in Ireland. The mayor of Dublin was a Jew a few years ago and the mayor of Cork even more recently. But Ireland is remarkably free of the kind of racism you find in most of the world. That's because they have the Tinks. These are these wandering vagabonds that were dispossessed by Cromwell. And they are called the Tinkers. When they're 50 miles away, the government calls them the Itinerants. And most people call them the Tinkers until they come within 20 miles. And then they call the Tinks. And when they move in next door, they call the Fookin Tinks. So Ireland persecutes the Tinks. It's widely believed that they have all the deplorable characteristics that most Americans attributed to the Irish a hundred years ago. And they were attributed to blacks 20 years ago. And as far as I can make out, there's no difference between the Tinks and anybody else in Ireland, except they have less money. So every group has got to have an out group. And in the United States today, it's the cigarette smokers. And so now the blacks can sit in the front of the bus and the cigarette smokers sit in the back. And I was, I come into, you know, when I arrive in Ireland, people can smoke anywhere they want. I know that sounds incredible. But they're a backward country. They haven't got civilization yet. I come to this country and I walk into a restaurant and they say smoking and non-smoking. And I thought they were kidding, you know. So I said, smoking, white, Protestant. You see, I was like, they started scaring me like I was crazy. I said, well, if you're reviving segregation, I want smoking filtered only, white, Protestant, the Piscopalians. They said, no, no, we can't do that. It's against the law. We can only discriminate against smokers. Well, every in group has got to have an out group. I went out to the concierge a while ago. I wanted to mail a letter. He's got a sign on his desk saying, thank you for not smoking. So I said to him, thank you for not picking your nose. He gave me the weirdest look. I get mailings from the friends of the vanishing malaria mosquito. Have any of you got any of that? This is a group that, I get on a lot of weird mailing lists. I probably have more copies of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion than anybody in the world. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is one of those books in which the alleged villains talk like the villains in an Iran novel. Which is the kind of thing I can't believe for a minute because all the villains I've met in the real world say, we're doing this for your own good. But the Protocols of the Elders of Zion they say, in order to exploit the guay and further our next sinister plan will be nobody talks like that. But I get on these weird mailing lists and I get things like that. And I get mailings from the friends of the vanishing malaria mosquito. And they are seriously concerned that throughout Africa and India and Polynesia and parts of South America the malaria mosquito has declined in the last 30 years at an alarming rate. It's one of the most endangered species on this planet. Places where there used to be literally billions, well I'll do my call a second bit, billions and billions of malaria mosquitoes. Now there's 5 or 10 left in some of these areas. They may be totally extinct by 1992 according to the latest mailing. And these people, well you could just check it on malaria, right? You find the number of people dying of malaria has been going straight down for the last 30 years. Hardly anybody dies of malaria anymore. Which shows the extent to which the malaria mosquito has been persecuted, harassed and murdered unmasked by the heartless chemists and the chemical manufacturers who have no care for how much life they destroy. I get these mailings regularly and I keep looking at them and thinking, is this a satire or is it for real? I can't tell because a lot of ecology magazines I get are just as nutty as that but they seem to be serious. Paul Krasner has been saying for 20 years it's getting harder and harder to tell the reality from the satire. And when the president is going around saying I can't remember the last time I conspired to break the law, how can you tell the reality from the satire anymore? I think since I was supposed to have a dialogue with Carl Hess and I came here prepared to sit down and have Carl in the next seat and I would say Carl found any good windowpane acid lately or something like that. But Carl is in here and so I'm on my own and I've been giving you bits and pieces of various of my standard lectures and I could go on and give you bits and pieces of a few more of my standard lectures or entertainment, so whatever they are I think it would be more amusing and enlightening if we had a question period until our time was up. Oh wow that didn't take long. Somebody wants to hear about conspiracy. I'm not interested in conspiracy theories I'm interested in conspiracy facts these days. Theories are peptide networks in the brain to hold facts together to make models that will organize the current way and these are dependent on the subjectivity of the person creating the models and you can interpret the facts dozens of ways. If you want to hear conspiracy facts I'll spew out of the latest conspiracy facts I have picked up lately. In Miami, Florida there used to be a bank called the World Finance Corporation how many people have heard of the World Finance Corporation? Only one? The World Finance Corporation got in trouble when the garbage men reported to the DEA that they continually found large stems of marijuana plants in the garbage. Rather thinky garbage man I must say. But the DEA got interested and he put the bank under surveillance and he collected enough evidence to get rich from a judge to do wire tapping and he got more evidence and he finally busted the bank and it turned out this bank was the biggest drug laundromat in the Northern Hemisphere. They were laundering all the profits from the marijuana fields of South America and a large part of the cocaine business too and the curious thing is that the bank was also used by the CIA as a fund for deep cover operations. As a matter of fact two directors of the bank were former CIA agents. A former CIA agent. That's an interesting expression. Sometimes that means somebody who's left the agency but when you join the agency you sign the thing saying you'll be on call for the rest of your life if they need you and so it's hard to see how anybody can truly be a former CIA agent. Usually it means somebody who's working on a project of the agency doesn't want tracked back to them so the worst that Walter Cronkite can say is a former CIA agent was involved instead of the agency laundering cocaine money. The World Finance Cooperation transferred the money from the cocaine industry and the marijuana industry to the CIS Alpine Bank in the Bahamas which was owned by Archbishop Marcinkus and Roberto Calvi. Yeah, Roberto Calvi was the one found hanging from a bridge in London two years ago no more than that five years ago. June 18th, 1982 that was two days after I arrived in Ireland as a matter of fact. Roberto Calvi was found hanging from Blackfyre's bridge in London where the rising tide had covered his dead body. That's the penalty and threatened in the first degree Masonic initiation for free masons who betray their fellow free masons which suggests that Calvi was either killed by free masons or by people who devoutly wish us to think he was killed by free masons. Funny coincidence, I'm interested in coincidences as well as conspiracies. Funny coincidence, the day Calvi was found hanged in London, his secretary fellow was pushed out of a window of the Banco Ambrosiano in Milan. The Banco Ambrosiano owned part of the CIS Alpine Bank in the Bahamas and the Vatican Bank owned part of it but part of it was owned by Archbishop Marcinkus personally which is why they have so many rits out for him in Italy that he only comes out of the Vatican on Groundhog's Day. And if he sees a policeman shadow he ducks back in as you may have read about that. Licio Gelli was the grandmaster of the Pei Dui lodge of free masons in Italy. Pei Dui strived for propaganda Dui or P2 in English. Gelli got to the third degree in Freemasonry, the Grand Orient Lodge which was founded by Caldiastro and the Duke of Orleans in the 18th century and many people suspected of having hatched the French Revolution. Gelli got to the third degree in Grand Orient Egyptian Freemasonry and then founded his own secret Freemasonic lodge called Pei Dui of which Roberto Calvi and Archbishop Marcinkus were members Calvi was found hanging from the bridge and other member was Michele Cindona who was the manager of Vatican affairs in the Vatican Finances in the United States. Cindono was at Nixon's second inauguration. He was later indicted for 65 counts of stock and currency fraud in New York and disappeared and then returned saying he had been kidnapped and he was then indicted for faking his own kidnapping along with the 65 charges of stock and currency fraud. It turned out he had embezzled $55 million from his own bank before he sold it back to the Vatican bank. Cindono was extradited to Italy to stand trial for murdering a bank examiner and he was convicted of that and then he was poisoned in his cell. Licio Gelli who set up the Pei Dui lodge which Cindono and Calvi and Marcinkus were members of infiltrated 950 members of Pei Dui into the Italian government which is why three Italian governments have fallen in the last seven or eight years because they keep finding more Pei Dui members in their government. Gelli returned when he was about to be indicted he left Italy in a big hurry because the secret police was infiltrated by his people too. The head of the secret police was indicted for being a member of the P2 conspiracy while awaiting trial. The deputy director of the secret police was indicted on the charge of conspiring in various bombings and stock and currency frauds and heroin and cocaine deals and he's still awaiting trial. So there were enough Pei Dui people in the secret police that when the writ went out to arrest Gelli he left Rome immediately and went to Uruguay where he had a lot of friends like Klaus Barbie whom he had helped get false identity papers. There were several jobs before he founded P2 was creating false identity papers for Nazi war criminals and getting them gainful employment with the CIA in South America. So he had lots of friends in Uruguay he went to Uruguay but later he came back to Switzerland to take some money out of a numbered bank account and the Swiss bankers recognized him and turned him over to the police and the Swiss police are allegedly the most incorruptible police in Europe which is what makes it rather astounding that they were only able to hold Gelli for three days. They put him in a maximum security prison and in three days he got out and went back to Uruguay. I was in Switzerland recently and I was in Geneva as a matter of fact where Gelli just disappeared out of that maximum security prison in such an inexplicable way that the Swiss government is still investigating its own employees to find out how it was done. I suggested they should put over the gate of that prison to make it a tourist attraction the three monkeys. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil and in the best gothic German script Fickenze Nicht mit der Freimauer and don't fuck around with the Freemasons. Gelli was at Ronald Reagan's inauguration and you'll find in most books that they do a conspiracy you'll find a photo of Gelli and Reagan together at the inauguration they both have big friendly smiles and they seem to be sharing some secret and private joke that the rest of us haven't found out about yet which may have something to do Nixon in the Watergate tapes the most fascinating line in the Watergate tapes is the one that hardly anybody comments on that's when Nixon says we better pay hunt but I know how to raise a billion dollars I can get my hands on a million dollars and we've got to pay him he's threatening to blow the whole Bay of Pigs thing now the question is what Bay of Pigs thing was there that we didn't know about in 1973 that hunt could blow whatever it is we still don't know about it it hasn't been blown yet because Nixon paid the money and Hunt's wife got the money and the plane mysteriously exploded as you all know whatever Hunt knew about the Bay of Pigs thing Hunt was involved in the CIA at the time that Johnny Roselli and Sam Giantana and the CIA were starting to collaborate on the cocaine business well which flowed through the World Finance Corporation in Miami went to the Cisalpine bank in the Bahamas run by Peidue in Archbishop Marchinkis and then disappeared into the Vatican bank which is a financial black hole that is to say that just like a cosmological black hole nothing that ever enters it even light can't get out the Vatican bank nothing ever gets out the Italian government has no authority to edit their books because the Vatican is a sovereign and independent state that's why they can't arrest Archbishop Marchinkis he's not living in Italy he's living in the Vatican which is very cozy for him okay there's a few conspiracy facts you make any theories you want out of them yes oh well you see right lateralists in the Council on Foreign Relations now you want me to speculate I will speculate as long as everybody in the room says yes at the end of this question do you fully understand that I am speculating and that this is not proven fact I will speculate Peidue is the tip of the iceberg which is part of the age old Italian conspiracy to control the western world Alan Watts said to me 20 years ago the chief era of academic historians is the belief that the Roman Empire fell it never did it still controls the western world through the Vatican and the mafia well Alan was exaggerating it doesn't control the western world it's just trying to now the trilateralists and the Council on Foreign Relations David Rockefeller's attempt to control the western world and sometimes they work together they go away in the Vatican and the mafia and sometimes they fight them meanwhile Prince Bernhardt has his own conspiracy to control the western world which is the Bilderberg which includes David Rockefeller as a sometimes member and so sometimes they work together and sometimes they fight each other and then there is the Priory of Zion in France which is the most delightful of all modern conspiracies but if I try to talk about that to your point that anything that survives over eons of geological time must be serving some kind of function does this idea also apply to the government and to God? yeah I told you I'm an individualist not a libertarian so I don't have to stick to party dogma yeah my feeling is we got as much government as we need when we got more government than we need there will be enough opposition to drive the government back I believe in the invisible hand there's this Adam Smith mistake that the invisible hand only acts in a free market but I believe the invisible hand acts everywhere and when the government gets obnoxious enough in any place, any time in history when it's obnoxious enough there are enough people opposing it to stop it when there aren't enough people opposing it that means it's not obnoxious enough yet and it's got to get more obnoxious it will produce the necessary opposition so I see the invisible hand everywhere so I don't worry as much as other libertarians do well you can make a dialectical if you want but actually it's economic Taoism it's based on the profound wisdom of Charles II of England who said the more you stir it, the more it stinks yes how about telling bones oh that's a wasp conspiracy to take over the United States I met a district attorney in California recently who told me spontaneously without knowing any of my books we just happened to meet at Esso and he told me that any city in the United States has at least 24 conspiracies fighting to take over that city and that's just what I've argued in several of my books the sociological system whether it's a city, a state, a country or the whole world you find basically 24 mega conspiracies fighting over the tariff and if it's big enough you find a few hundred minor conspiracies trying to get in on the fight this is normal mammalian politics that's been going on for billions of years which do you have tend to blame the mess on stupidity or conspiracies? stupidity conspiracy are practically synonymous this district attorney I was quoting said something else it amazed me when somebody who's been in a position of power agrees with me I feel that's a deep confirmation of my suspicions he said the most paranoid people in the world are the most successful conspirators because they know how easy it is to deceive people they know how easy it is to double cross people and they know what's going to happen to them eventually and they're constantly looking around the Godfather complex who's coming for me with the gun next when there was the rebellions in East Germany in the 50s after they were put down when government officials said the people are going to have to work at reestablishing the confidence of the government in them if the government doesn't trust the people why doesn't it dissolve them and elect a new people in this country there's a government that doesn't trust the people they're tapping phones constantly in California you can't even start a bank account without two pieces of identification now which is incredible when I was young you could just walk in and say I want to start a bank account and you can start a bank account now you've got to have two pieces of ID the American people are the most policed and governed and watched and observed and snooped upon people in the whole world which is why every time I fly the Atlantic when I see the Statue of Liberty I've got to agree with Bernard Schubert that must be the most ironic thing in the history of art but it's standing at the entrance to this country no place else in the world are they testing urine you know this is statistically American invention yes is the invisible hand working in the East Germany and the Soviet Union yeah that's why so many people are getting out of East Germany that's the way the invisible hand is working in that case that's why I got out as quick as I could what about God oh what about God God is obviously serving a very important evolutionary function it gets all the morons together in one place so we can recognize them and stay there yes do you see something big coming out of the Persian Gulf thing a novel or a story that you might write or something am I going to write a novel that's stupidity no I'm not going to write a novel about the Persian Gulf because I'm too busy right now I got with other writing projects by the time I get around to the Persian Gulf it will be all over and nobody will be interested in it anymore but it is typical of the affairs of governments it's what keeps me in my firm faith in our Lady Arise the goddess of chaos discord, confusion, bureaucracy and international relations hell Arise she was the one who created the golden apple and wrote on it Kaliste which is Greek for to the prettiest one and started the brawl on Olympus which led to the bigger brawl which became the Trojan War which led to the whole development of western civilization as we know the steady escalation of chaos, confusion, discord, bureaucracy and international relations and so hell Arise she's in charge the best we can do is just accept her and figure out that eventually the chaos and discord and confusion will create enough entropy will be interstices in which we individualists can survive especially if we move fast enough yes talk a little bit about LSD Ken Keeke said not too long ago that the two representatives that never killed anybody were LSD in marijuana is that important to your knowledge well if you want me to get serious you don't have to get serious no that's not in accord with my knowledge I think people have been killed by LSD in marijuana people have been killed by overindulging and mashed potatoes people have been killed by aspirin people have been killed by valium I think Ken Keeke he rather overstated the case I would say that marijuana in my 30 years of experience with marijuana and its users I think it's one of the most harmless drugs but some people will find a way to get themselves in trouble even with marijuana and as for LSD I've written a lot of complaints about the government for making scientific research with LSD illegal but I've never felt that LSD is a safe drug for anybody and everybody I definitely think it's highly dangerous to some people and it's dangerous to the very young and immature it has been widely demonstrated that it creates paranoia anxiety and disorientation and government bureaucrats will never try it but compared to cocaine those things are really lovely those things have done a lot more good than harm loosening up people's imprints freeing up their brains releasing more peptides cocaine since the CIA seems to be there the CIA and the Vatican seem to be making the most money out of cocaine I am more willing to share my suspicions about cocaine than I used to be there were years when I was afraid to say what I really think about cocaine because so many people I knew were heavily into it but nowadays I've got more courage there has been a major scientific breakthrough recently it has been definitely demonstrated you can get exactly the same effects as cocaine by putting talcum powder up your nose rubbing it in with sandpaper and then running around the house burning all the money you can find if you do that for 30 days the effects are exactly like a month on cocaine especially when you look at your bank balance but as Richard Pryor says cocaine is only nature's way of letting you know you've got too damn much money Yes, I leave behind the Zion curtain and you thought I was wondering if any of your research is on the conspiracy to come across anything of people I can't do anything with that I don't know much about the Mormon church well I know that Joseph Smith got a divine revelation that polygamy was okay and then the United States Army surrounded Salt Lake City and Brigham Young got a divine revelation that polygamy was okay that's about the sum total of my knowledge of Mormonism and its theology and history so I can't go on much about that Yes I saw a future feed about you mentioned that James Tiberius Kirk was one of your favorite fictional characters same for me I was wondering if you could sort of talk a little bit about why you like it James Tiberius Kirk very few people know that his middle name as a matter of fact it was never mentioned in any of the Star Trek shows this may be absolutely apocryphal that he has that middle name but it was on a Star Trek cartoon on a Sunday or Saturday morning my kids were looking at and they said hey daddy look at this looks like Spock looks like Kirk and he gave his full name as James Tiberius Kirk he never did that in any of the unanimated Star Trek TV yeah okay why do I like Kirk well in terms of Leary's model of the nervous system we all have an oral biosurvival circuit which is mainly concerned with how do I get fed and what dangers are threatening me that's the most primitive part of the mind and then we got an anal territorial emotional circuit which has to do with how much space I can control and who am I on top of and this in domesticated prime age generally takes the form of who am I morally superior to if you want to understand politics and the quarrels and the bitchy little feuds that go on in all political parties including the libertarians just observe how many people are really playing the game of I am morally better than you that's such primate politics putting themselves one up you know and then there's the third circuit which is the semantic circuit which is concerned with solving problems making a map of the universe and the left brain and then manipulating the universe with the right hand to see if the map fits and then adjusting the map which is profoundly satisfactory to those who don't want to adjust their maps and would rather keep one static map forever they say she'd really cut off their right hand so they would never attempt to mucky around with the universe and find out if their maps work and then there's the sociosexual circuit which has to do with orgasm mating reproduction in the and all primates have these four circuits and domesticated primates have surrounded them all with the most fantastic mythology and systems of taboos which is most of the comedy of human life and in terms of Star Trek Scotty is the biosurvival circuit and Scotty is down there trying to make sure that the starship enterprise survives no matter what is put up against it and always complaining that I look the crystals are a bit low cupped and biosurvival is always a little bit paranoid you know I'm not sure we're going to make it and then Dr. McCoy is the emotional-territorial circuit the moralist that's not moral I know what's moral I'm a doctor not a demon Jim I know what's moral and I don't want to hear any more of this abstract reason from that pointy year Vulcan and of course Spock is the semantic circuit concerned with solving problems and can't understand all the emotional moralistic trips that McCoy is always on and Kirk is the sublimated form of the sexual circuit Kirk has never gotten married although he's had a few affairs Kirk has sublimated the sexual circuit into love for the ship and its crow and desire to protect them and I guess I have some kind of adolescent still surviving admiration for that type of person who protects other people cares about them and is willing to risk his life for them in terms of evolutionary history besides Shatner is a terrific actor he gave Kirk a sense of humor even before the script writers did in the early scripts where Kirk didn't have a funny thing to say Shatner made it seem funny by the way he said it and then the script writers caught on and gave him funny lines and Kirk has always had more of a sense of humor than those people really usually have in real life that's another reason I like Captain Kirk yes I thought you had a question no? No more I guess Are you still in contact with William Mary and do you still correspond? We see each other occasionally we write letters occasionally we may be working together on a movie in the near future but that's still in the negotiating stage Tim is currently working on a second computer game his first computer game did well enough that he's got the confidence that he can do an even better one and that will be coming on the market shortly it's called Neuromancer and it's based on the immortal novel of the same name which hasn't yet won the Prometheus would but certainly should yes Doesn't it seem a strange to you that although the protocols may well be a forgery and it may not be known who wrote them does seem the world does seem to be following the concepts which are promoted there that also seems to be following the general outlines of a lot of other paranoid forgeries like apolitics attributed to Berea another forgery that's gained white circulation Paranoids are very good at describing what's going on the main problem is that they make over-simplified theories about why it's going on yes Could you elaborate a little more on the Isis machine and why it's been spread by doctors The Isis machine is invented by Jack Schwartz who lives right here in Washington State I forget in which city it has a pair of goggles and a pair of earphones and a little control panel and the control panel you turn the dial on and when you turn it to alpha the goggles start flashing lights at the alpha frequency and the earphones bombard your ears with alpha and so your brain getting this double stimulation goes into alpha this has been demonstrated with electroencephalograms your brain does pick up the rhythm you can measure it objectively on an EEG and see that you're in alpha and anybody who has any experience of going into alpha will say right away yeah it's working I can feel it so you get both objective and subjective confirmation and if you want to turn it down to theta you go into theta and that can be confirmed objectively and subjectively and that's only one of about a dozen of these machines that are available these days making it more possible than ever before in history for us to take control of our own brains and program our own reality tunnels instead of just being trapped in the accidentally imprinted circuitry of infancy and the conditioned circuitry that was laid down on top of that and the social programming that was laid on top of that by and large I agree with the behaviorists that most people behave just like the rats in their laboratories I disagree with the behaviorists that that's the way it has to be I think we can reprogram ourselves I've been writing books on that for a long time and I've been predicting this type of machine for a long time too and now these machines are appearing and I think it's getting easier and easier to take over the programming of our own brains most of the effects you get with machines like ISIS or the Hemi-Sync or the Pulse-Star you can get out of the lily isolation tank and even when people get me even when professional paranoid get me in the state where I think the government might ban these machines they're just crazy enough to do that I can't see a situation in which they'll ban the lily isolation tank anybody can build one it's it's ridiculous to try to control and you can very easily get into alpha and theta with the lily tank you can get into hemispheric synchronization with the lily tank too if you use it often enough so I think we are the first generation in history to really have the capacity to learn how to use our brains for fun and profit and most people throughout history have never known that that's why they've used their brains for stupidity and misery wait a minute two at one time what's the lily tank it's a tank invented by God knows who but perfected by John lily he didn't invent it but he perfected it to a great degree it's a tank in which you are cut off from sight and sound the walls are thick enough and it's put into a room that's far enough from the street noises and so on no sight no sound gets in you are blind and deaf practically and there's enough epsom salts in the water that you can't feel the effect of gravity and it's just like going into free fall 85% of all astronauts and cosmonauts report experiences that are exactly similar to the lily tank because going into zero gravity basically turns on a lot of alpha and a lot of theta and frequently an outburst of delta tau and delta waves are connected with artistic creativity and I'm sorry to tell the rationalists in the house to be connected with those damnable things known as ESP and precognition which we all know don't exist but people continually have the hallucinations that they do especially when they go into delta and what was your question where do you find these machines in Edmund scientific catalog ummm these machines are getting more and more readily available but the easiest thing to do is get Michael Hutchison's book Mega Brain and right to the address on the last page of that book and I'll tell you where to get the machines and what the prices are new ones are coming on around all the time and they're getting cheaper I ran into a guy in Dallas three weeks ago who after reading Mega Brain went home and designed his own brainwave machine and cost him $19 out of parts he found at Radio Shack yes I'm familiar with his works it's very hard to get acquainted with him personally it seems he's one of the most reclusive individuals on this planet he managed to get him on the phone once and he said I don't like talking on the phone it's like talking in the dark and that's about all I got out of him he's not a very sociable person I gather so you countered your ideas and came to Larry's book somewhere because I read his latest book that you wrote for him and I said one of these is the translation here somewhere oh very definitely he wrote a very nice review of one of my books and he's aware of my work but then he's influenced me so it's all a big vast synergy oh yes yes I have read some books by another Wilson I was wondering if you've heard of F. Paul Wilson and I've really yes the first Prometheus award they asked me to present the Prometheus award and the winner was F. Paul Wilson and everybody was joking about there must be some conspiracy here one person yeah I like his books especially wheels within wheels tended to make fun of smokers but I don't know if you're aware of the fact that there was a survey out and it showed that nine out of ten men that tried camels preferred women I wasn't making fun of smokers I was making fun of militant antismokers but that reminds me of the old Dublin joke what's an Irish queer an Irish queer is somebody who prefers women to Guinness I think you have to live in Ireland to really appreciate that joke what are some of the projects you're working on now? I've been on a lecture two or three months and I got a month to go I don't know what I'm going to be working on after the tour is over if the movie deal comes through I'll be working on that if not I'll be writing the third volume of my historical series I hope that comes through but I'm going to liberty to talk about it I have two more books coming out that are already finished it's just a matter of the publisher laying off the grass long enough to remember that the type is set and it's time to start printing the books or something like that they will shortly appear Wilhelm Reich in Hell which is a play that I wrote which has been done in Dublin will probably soon be done in New York and that has a long a long very witty introduction by myself because I read Bernard Shua and he said people don't buy plays but if you write a funny introduction they'll buy the play in book form so I wrote a funny introduction I worked for sure, I figure it might work for me and the next book I've got coming out is called Coincidence and that's a book of essays about literature, quantum mechanics, yijing and various other things that obsessed me it also has some poetry and I developed Mark Twain when he took over the Nevada Sun promised he wouldn't print his own poetry unless he developed a spite against his readers well I must have subordinately developed a spite against my readers because I've started slipping my poems into my books lately Coincidence has even more of them be warned yes it's a comparison of the theories of natural law held by the Vatican and certain ideologists who claim that they are libertarians but are you going to legislate what's right and wrong for the rest of us and I'm arguing that they can't know the concrete specifics of ten minutes of your life much less your whole life so they can't legislate what's right and wrong for you but what did your Irish environment provide you that you couldn't find in this Ireland is peaceful and nonviolent and the people trust one another if the coal man comes and I say gee I don't have any cash I'll give you a check he says oh faith don't bother with that I'll collect next week I don't imagine anybody any tradesman in the United States would trust you for a week nowadays people trust one another they're kind to one another they're all dogmatic Catholics but I can put up with that because most of the world is crazy anyway I'm not aware I go I'm surrounded by crazy people so I'll accept the quiet peaceful kindly crazies in preference to the violent bloody murderous crazies in this country and they got a health insurance plan there which will horrify all libertarians because it's run by the government but it cost me the equivalent of about a dollar a day in American money to get complete health coverage for my wife and myself I couldn't get a plan that cheap in the United States and also I live there for sentimental reasons they don't tax writers and I'm sentimentally attached to my money I can't see any link between that but that's one of the things that has been perplexing me for the last couple of years how come there are so many free masons in Ireland when it's a 95% Catholic country and yet every city in Ireland you'll find a free masons hall and that reminded me that when I lived in Mexico I read in the newspaper that the president of Mexico was a free mason and he was a Roman Catholic too you got to be a Roman Catholic to be president of Mexico and then how did Peidue get so strong in Italy which is another Catholic country I haven't figured that out yet it shows that somebody I think the Catholic hierarchy was trying to use the free masons and the free masons are trying to use the Catholic hierarchy and one party and that is being terribly deceived but I'm not sure who I think it's possible but I don't think David Yalla proved it in the book he wrote he just showed that it was likely but he certainly didn't prove it and I don't think it ever can be proven because there's just no way the Italian government can get those people out of the Vatican to put them on trial even if they wanted to so that will remain forever a mystery like the Kennedy assassination I was on the grassy knoll a few weeks ago after all these years of speculating and pondering I finally got to Dallas and went to the grassy knoll and you will all be happy to know I put a bob dobs head on the fence there the puzzle future conspiracy investigators and standing on the grassy knoll is fascinating you look up at the window where Oswald allegedly acting alone fired the shots and all you can think of is why did he wait so long the car comes down main street he's got beautiful chances all the way down main street in front of the school book depository plenty of chances then it's heads down Elm Street and he still doesn't shoot it gets to the triple underpass it's about to disappear and then we're supposed to believe he fired three shots faster than most professional marksmen can and didn't miss even though he was a lousy marksman when he was in the Marines looking at the geography is the most convincing argument to me of the experts hired by the House Select Committee on Assassinations who concluded that the echoes indicated there were two people firing from two directions actually what happened is businessmen of Fort Worth they picked the ugliest building in Dallas I'm still waiting for somebody to propose that Jackie did it because she wanted to marry Onassis every other theory is put forth and nobody has had the hotspot I may have to write that one myself yes Have you met Ron Hubbard, Dale Ron Hubbard and what did you talk about? No, I haven't met Bob and Bob met Elron Hubbard but I haven't met Elron Hubbard myself I'm sorry to say but he certainly knew the secret of power No See, I explained that before how how Rajesh got his 93 Rolls Royce and so on to put it in simple vernacular terms a disciple as an asshole looking for a human being to attach itself to but Elron Hubbard figured that out very early on just like Bob Dobbs has praised Bob Okay three more questions yes okay I'll stick my neck out again yeah, TM I think is a wonderful technique I've used it for many years and I find it very profitable on the other hand I don't have much veneration for the TM organization which charges people outrageous rates under the pretense that one mantra is better than another a mystic I do tend to trust because he has such a shady reputation Alistair Crowley said that he experimentally determined for himself that one mantra is as good as another and that has tended to be confirmed by EEG readings in which the scientists who have been studying yoga for the last 20 years seeing how it affects the brain they indeed found that people no matter what mantra you give them if they repeat the mantra long enough you get the same changes in the brain waves and so I think TM is a wonderful technique but I don't have any faith whatsoever in their claim that one mantra is better than another and you should pay vast sums of money to get your own special mantra my question was oh I think it is I think the more people learning to meditate is part of the brain properly if you can't meditate you're stuck continually in the beta state which tends to produce Adrenochrome, Adrenalutin and other dreadful chemicals which tend to produce paranoia if you stay in that state for enough years you got to get out of the beta state occasionally you'll end up like Nixon yes did Wilhelm Reich discover an alternative form of energy? I've been asking myself that question for 30 years I'm not sure what I am sure of is that Burning Reich's books was not the best most rational approach to solving that but did he discover a new form of energy or did he just discover side effects of a known form of energy I don't think Reich was hallucinating all the time because there are plenty of other people involved in his experiments and involved in organ therapy since his death I think something real is going on but I don't know I'm not quite sure what it is I think when you reach certain levels of brain functioning it feels like there's a new energy but it may just be a chemical change in the body rather than an energy in the sense that electricity is an energy you have a rather positive attitude towards Reich but a rather cynical attitude towards L. Ron Hubbard what data have you collected to support these attitudes or is it just sort of flip the coin? I don't have a very positive attitude towards Reich I think he was a rather paranoid towards the end of his life I think that a lot of the experiments Reich did are very interesting and I'm especially interested in the people who repeated the experiments and got the same results I'm even more fascinated by the establishment scientific community that hasn't repeated the experiments and says we know a priori that this is nonsense I don't understand how you can know a priori the result of an experiment and so that's what keeps me interested in the Reichy and controversy rather than Reich's own rather unfortunate personality as for Hubbard I think he was even more paranoid than Reich and didn't do anything of value compared to what Reich did he made lots of claims he made lots of money he made lots of money his experiments or seances or whatever they are and disproving him or approving his claims all I know is my own experience and my own experience is that people who have been through Scientology tend to come out rather be zombified as I perceive them they appear be zombified to me they appear more robotic than when they went in and so I don't have any faith in that system at all Robotic Objection registered may I ask if you are a robot yourself Well one doesn't know these days there's a fellow named Peter Beeter and some people think I invented him they think he's a character and one of my novels he isn't Peter Beeter really exists he puts out a little journal called Conspiracy Newsletter he claims that the KGB has been murdering American politicians for nearly 20 years and replacing them with robots and he claims that the attempted assassination of Reagan was not an attempt at all it was successful they actually assassinated Reagan and they replaced him with a robot and my question is how could anybody know the difference but I don't want to be too hard on Peter Beeter because my feeling is that anybody any man who had named Peter Beeter would be pretty weird by the time we get out of high school but you know like all weird theories I think about it every now and then all the theories I make fun of I stop and think about occasionally maybe I'm making fun of the most important and so there are times I stop and think maybe there are robots around and I start looking yeah maybe Reagan did discover a new energy maybe yes regarding the robot question have you ever ridden the New York City subway during the morning rush hour? yes that's what persuaded me to leave New York well I think we have gone on long enough so I think it's time we those of you who live in Seattle there are leaflets over on the table in the corner there telling you when I'll be back which is about two weeks from now