 So we will have a quick round for Kyu as an ice, if there are any questions that you may have and let me say that as Thomas was saying at the beginning, this film I think that closely relates to the research work that Moisés introduced. He was a scientific research but anyway this film was also researching the police records, the police files and it was somehow similar therefore and also in same times but different countries and different settings because Germany back then it was a democratic country and yet these things were happening whereas here in Spain we were living under Franco's regime anyway it's not up to me to do the talking so let's draw on the occasion that we have Thomas here with us just like you were saying at the beginning which I think was interesting you can tell us a photo translation also it's reality what you see in here we found the footage on the beginning of the movie in the toilets the policeman would be behind the mirrors and film the man in the toilet we had original material and we reenacted it with actors and so it's a question who is the pervert on this side like the one meeting in the toilet or the ones behind the mirror because man couldn't meet anywhere so they met at the toilet people told us all these stories we started in Berlin in an archive for different memories they call it and yeah we talked to man who experienced things like that so they were in concentration camp after the war the allies freed them and put them in jail again so this was for me like horror and this anger I felt we wanted to put in a movie don't know if you have any questions otherwise I can continue no questions fine so other than what you were telling now the characters as you were saying they are based on diverse stories I mean hands or Victor they did not exist as such specific individuals but they would exist as characters so you kind of rebuild and recreated these characters and I think it's interesting to know how you happen to know about these stories how did you start it off archive and they got us some people we could really talk no of the man no one of the men is alive no one could see the movie because they were old and last year my country Austria said sorry we made a mistake and two years before Germany said okay we made a mistake but it took like too long for those men to hear that that it was not fair so but we could talk to a few of them and we melted together like three or four biographies to one biography to tell one story of incredible injustice you had so the first you had testimonies like voice testimonies and live testimonies and then you you searched for story for the history in the air yes we also went to gay bars and went to the places the old people in the corner we asked them have you been to prison because you were gay and they would start crying so yes it was a very it was a secret for many of those men they wouldn't talk about it but when we came to ask them they started talking sometimes they had a partner and the partner he didn't know that the other one was in prison and he said well I was in prison too and both started crying it was very emotional and it was also they never lost a humor so we tried to put a little bit of this humor in the in the movie too yeah yeah it's I think it's a bit difficult yes but yes we had some some moments of life as well because if you lose your humor people told us you cannot survive because it's so sarcastic the whole situation it's so perverted that you get into a prison someone yeah yes and as you said also the who is the pervert in the in the history in in the story in these stories get some question no can you hear me okay thank you very much I have a question because I'm from history and I'm curious about the way in which you combine historical sources or oral testimonies with the narrative of the film with the plot of the film and there are other boundaries between the two or not we can create new type of narratives and trying to grasp these experiences through another way of telling and accounting and I'm curious about that thank you I think you can combine like nobody really knows how it feels except the one who lived it so we tried to create an atmosphere that you can feel what it could be like so all the stories like how they communicate in prison with the little holes in the book or that they meet in the and outside during the night these stories they are real but you never know it's a fiction movie so we don't know if it really looked like this if they were really like so so you try to research a lot and and after that we were very happy that many people who experienced things like this they told us okay it wasn't exactly the same situation as you portrayed it but the feeling was the same so for us it was more important to transport the the other feeling of a certain period of time so I think it's necessary not just to tell the stories but to tell the stories that someone listens to to them so it's it's it's it's difficult sometimes but for a movie we try to do it this way yeah yeah hi so I have another question because when when using this kind of historical material to make a movie I have to is two questions first and I guess you have some the movie around the different cities or different festivals so how is really usually the the general reaction I guess some people that have similar situation have watched the movie and how actually they reacted and also did you get any blacklash or any kind of a reaction from any kind of show because I'm thinking about all the documentaries or movies that could be similar and people involved in that kind of situations they they criticize that okay you are portraying this from the present point of view or not so I'm just curious about that if you get any kind of we got very good reactions we were even on many queer film festivals we in the beginning we were very afraid because it's a huge history we want to portray it's like 25 years and it's not so easy to do we got bad response from countries that wouldn't want to show it like Turkey they want to they don't want to show it and many other countries they don't want to touch homosexual issues and the the the story was that many like aunts from my family or people who never thought about like homosexuals many many came after the movie and said I was moved I could feel that this is real love man can love each other also so it was for a few like the beginning of of a conversation somehow so there we had really good feedback from countries that don't want to tell these stories and don't want to hear and we have the same problem as I said just one year ago not even one year ago my country said sorry we made a mistake but now everyone's dead so there's even Western countries that have difficulties facing those injustices fine so I think that if there are no further questions oh you you have a comment yes one one last question if I may I think you said everything more or less about the process of the creation process of the film but I'm curious about the prison the jail where is it is it open is it is their memorial there nowadays or I don't know tell us a bit please it's an old German German Democratic it was a dictatorship prison and it was empty and we could do all what we wanted to do that's what the reason why we went to Germany in Austria we couldn't find an empty prison and it was really interesting there because there were so many stories the feeling was very intense and the whole team was locked together all the time and then there was corona and everyone would go home and we didn't know if we can finish the movie because they wanted to tear down the the whole building and today it is a student home so they rebuilt the prison for students and it really and it's just a very historical building we were happy to find and it was easier for us to shoot this historical movie in a prison because even today prisons look a lot the same so we had people from Iran in the audience and they said I just fled from Iran because I spent in such a prison under such conditions because I am gay so I'm so happy to be here now so it's not it's not over it's in one out of three countries worldwide homosexuality is still under punishment so this seems something like we have overcome but it's not very safe it's not very secure and we have to work on that freedom each day to not lose it again okay thank you thank you very much Thomas for your presence for your for the discussion for the movie and well for because you know this film is available in filming the filming platform just a few weeks ago you can access through the filming platform there are also some screenings down and the cinema theater and the movie theater so please do recommend it don't thank you