 Ding-ding. Hey, movie nerds. I'm Scott. And I'm Ryan. And we just checked out Creed II. It's the return of everyone you love from the fourth Rocky film. That's right. This is almost the remake of Rocky IV. But with the Creed versus Drago all over again, it's very epic. It's really not far from a remake of Rocky IV. But we're going to tell you all about it right after this. So Creed II picks up right after Creed I, funnily enough. Yeah. sees the return of a Donis Creed player Michael B. Jordan and he's kind of taken on the mantle and trying to follow in his father's footsteps to become the world boxing heavyweight champion of the world. I think that's him. We're real sports nerds here. Love sports. We don't care who knows. But you know all of a sudden Ivan Drago comes back with his Drago son Victor Drago and sets up the rematch of rematches, the fights of fights, the Apollos of Apollos, the Creed of Creeds, the Bow Bowers of Bow Bowers. I can't go any further, but it's the rematch we've all been waiting for since Rocky IV stepped out of the ring. This is very much a family affair, right? So the Drago's, well Ivan Drago, he's trying to reclaim his glory that he lost to Rocky and Apollo's trying to beat the guy that sons killed his father. Something like that. There's some family drama there. And then Paul Rocky, he's kind of literally on the sidelines for this as he's watching this, you know, what he fears could play out all over again with Drago. He's always reliving his life. Yeah, which is, and Stallone is wonderful in this. I would very happily watch him play Rocky till the end of days. I love him. And to me, that's the real draw of these films. Like, I don't mind if Donis Creed is a character, Michael B. Jordan, he carries the movie well, but if you ask me, it's all about Marvel. He doesn't have the same charisma, I think. I think when you watched Apollo Creed do his, I mean, living in America thing in Rocky IV, but also his original one where he was playing George Washington coming out for the first Rocky. He had the style, he had the charisma, he had the crowd cheering for him, but Donis Creed for me just doesn't have that same kind of charisma. I don't know if I actually love the character or if I'm really just coming to the theater to watch another Rocky film. Yeah, that's how I feel as well. Because I think that Donis is like his father. He puts on the theatrics and he kind of thinks he's the big man on campus where I feel like Rocky is kind of that underdog, right? Yeah. And that's the story you want. And I really don't get the underdog feeling from Donis Creed. No, I agree. He's already proven himself. You know he's like a really good boxer. Yeah. And I think bringing Drago into it was kind of a surprise for me because I thought, hang on, they're trying to do this new series and yet, okay, it's cool the Rock is on the side, but now they're bringing in Drago who is, that's a big, that's a big opponent. So they're kind of milking that franchise again, but I think it's done fairly well. They try and really give some weight to both Ivan and Victor as characters and not just like literally stereo type cookie cutter villains like Drago kind of wasn't Rocky for. He's literally like machines getting pumped with steroids in that movie. Yeah, 100%. He's literally a robot. Yeah. That's giving him some backstory, which is nice. He can kind of act now. That kind of helps. The son is, the son is very much like his father. He's very robotic. Like, yeah, maybe I will break you. You know, like that was like Rocky, but kind of like Drago. No, he can act in his franchise. No, come on. No, Rocky's good. And like, so he got an Academy Award nomination for the first Creed. And I think he, I would love to see him actually win it for this. I don't think he will get nominated, but generally speaking, like it is, if you're a big Rocky 4 family, you'll probably get a big kick out of this. Like it's very much kind of continues that, that specific film's kind of story, I guess to some degree. And it really humanizes the Drago specifically because yeah, I think, I think they do a really good job with that. I agree. I agree. And I enjoy that they kept them Russian and not like American Russian. No, that's on fire. No, that's on fire. No, no, which is a big, big kick in the nuts for me. This is my favorite composer out of all the Rocky films. That movie is just so much 80s Rocky 4. And this film felt very much of the 2000s. Yeah, it's funny because like in that time, that whole Russian USA kind of thing was huge. And you know, okay, right now, that's probably not the best relationship either. Yeah, Russia didn't look that bad. I'm not hanging out in Russia. It's all right. It doesn't have that same patriotic kick. I don't think so. Yeah, I don't think it has that same. You can change. I can change. We cannot change. I can't do it. I can't do it. I can't do it. There's definitely no big speeches like that or anything like that at all. Yeah, everything kind of feels underplayed, especially there are victories in this film and I won't go into who and why, but they all feel very underplayed. I can agree with that. But family is a big part of this movie and Adonis and his girlfriend or I feel like they they go through some big changes and then Rocky has his own family issues and obviously the Drago said family stuff. So I think they do a good job with that. But it's really not. And I know Rocky's not always about boxing, even though that is kind of the end of each of those films. But this one I felt really played into those family dynamics quite well. Back to music. Gonna fly now. It does come into play. Is that the name of the song? Yeah, it is. I think they almost gave Apollo Creed his own kind of theme song through one of the one of the Montages. If you like Montages, this movie's got at least two of them. So that's pretty cool. Yeah, they're awesome. But again, now this could be just me, but I'm not a big fan of like R&B style music. Yeah, me either. So that it didn't have the momentum I like with those Rocky movies. It kind of felt like Rocky V. Yeah. In that kind of sense where, I mean, you can tell the decades of the Rocky films are made in. Like the 70s and the 80s is obvious. The 90s has kind of got that feel with Rocky V. This definitely has that R&B style feel of, you know, the pop hits that are coming out today. And I don't like that kind of music, but I also don't think that's a bad thing, right? Because the series has obviously grown with that Rocky character. And I like that they're not just like resting on the laurels with the old stuff. I appreciate them trying to do something new. I don't know 100% where they could go with this after that. Like I don't think, like there's obviously highs and lows for all the characters. I don't know where they'd go, but I would have said the same thing, you know, post Rocky 2. I think that's it, isn't it? Because I mean, with Rocky 3, that's when they started bringing in the, you know, Rocky taking on a different perk. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It kind of gets more cartoonish, if you ask me, after Rocky 2. But also with the kind of the look and feel they're going for these films, I don't know if they could do the same thing with the Creed franchise, I guess, yeah. So, Rocky fucking hell. So Creed 2, what do you think overall? Pretty good. It's probably on par with the first Creed, wherever that sits in your Rocky timeline of awesomeness of films. It's probably going to sit something similar. If you like the first Creed, I think you'll have a good time here. I didn't love it. I thought it was cool. I thought it was fun. But again, I don't feel that Michael B. Jordan is as interesting of a character and as an exciting and as good as much charisma as he original and two leads with Polo Creed or Carl Weathers. I agree with that. Yeah, I think he's kind of like he's a good fighter. He doesn't seem like he's a dick most of the time. But he also doesn't seem like he's an underdog by any means. He kind of following his father footsteps, but that was fine as a like antagonist and then kind of sidekick for those Rocky films. But yeah, as a lead, I don't think you can get behind him as easily as you can get behind Rocky. I agree. So overall, it's pretty good. Yeah, it's worth a shot. If you like these films, I think you'll have a good time. I think that's true. It doesn't do anything wrong by any means. No, I agree. But I also don't think it's like super standout. Yeah. But if you enjoyed the first Creed, I think you'll have a good time here. So Creed 2, it's out in theaters now. Now I guess until next time, we'll see you nerds. Let the movies. Bye, guys.