 And so his home's over here, and so the paraplegic actually is on the side, so it would have been a site for him. So what's really funny is, why did they pick up the TSB? When you were going to a public house church, and Chris put some of the fads together on the fads that were on the public house church. There's a card right there, there's card light, but they own the whole parcel. They own the whole parcel. And what I understand, they're being very out of the FHA. They don't want any of their stuff, they don't want to interact with the old other party. Good afternoon, everyone. I'd like to call to order the meeting of the City of Santa Rosa Design Review Board on July 18th. Welcome. First item of business is roll call. Patty, may I have a roll call, please? Let the record reflect that all board members are present except for Board Member Weigel. Thank you. And approval of the minutes. Does anybody have any changes starting with the June 20th regular meeting? Seeing no changes. Those meeting minutes are approved. And further, the June 20th joint design review board and cultural heritage board meeting. Any changes to that? Seeing none. Those minutes are approved as well. Next item on the agenda is board business. This is where I read the statement of purpose of this board's purview versus any other board or commission. Any changes to that? Seeing none. So per zoning code chapter 20-52.030F project review, the review authority shall consider the location, design, site plan configuration and overall effect of the proposed project upon surrounding properties and the city in general. Review shall be conducted by comparing the proposed project to the general plan, any applicable specific plan, applicable zoning code standards and requirements, consistency of the project within the city's design guidelines, architectural criteria for special areas and other applicable city requirements. City policy statements and development plans. So that's purview of this board. And at this time, I will open up for public comment on items that are not on the agenda. If it's an agendized item, we'll open up public comment for each particular item. And at this time for public comment on items not on today's agenda. Seeing no one approach the podium, I will close up a comment. And item number five, statements of abstention by board members. Many abstentions for today's items. All right, we'll have a full board today. On to the scheduled items. We have item, unless it doesn't say what it's 6.1, I'm guessing. Final design review, Guernville Road Homes, 1665 Guernville Road, file number PRJ18-089. And we will have a staff report from Kristin A. We chair Kincaid and members of the design review board. This is Guernville Road Homes final design review. The design review board requested that this item come back to the design review board for final design review. I'm just going to give a quick recap of the projects since you've seen this before. This is a 12-unit small lot subdivision on a one-acre site. They're proposing three accessory dwelling units. And these are attached three-story single-family dwellings. The entitlements include rezoning, a conditional use permit and a tentative map. Those have all been approved. The final step is the final design review for the project. Here's a general location of where the project is located. Here's an aerial showing the project site on the north side of Guernville Road between Marlowe and Ridley Avenue. Here's a general plan and zoning. It's recently been updated to the zoning has been updated to reflect the medium residential general plan designation. Here is the proposed site plan showing the attached single-family residences with attached accessory dwelling units with two accessory dwelling units on the corner and one on the north middle lot. Here is a proposed floor plan of the units showing the three-story design. Here's an updated rendering of what the project would look like from Guernville Road. And here are the project elevations showing the various lots. So lots 8 and 7 with the ADU on the side. And the bottom image shows lots 4 and 3. This is the rear elevation for lots 7 and 8. And you can see the attached ADU on the top right image. Here is lots 10 and 9 with the attached ADU. They're showing the wrapped stone veneer on the bottom portion of the ADU. Here's lots 12 and 11. And you can see all the garages are inset from the main elevation of the house. Here's lots 6 and 5 and lots 2 and 1. 6 and 5 you can see the attached ADU on the left side. Here's the materials and finish board. The applicant is prepared to guide you through the specific materials and colors that they've chosen. The applicant has also provided a printout brochure of what he plans to build. And here is the proposed fence that would close the lot. So wood type fence. Here's an image of their materials and finish board. The applicant also has provided some materials boards here for you to look at. Chose the color palette that he's chosen for the overall project site. And here's the proposed landscaping. And with that, the Planning and Economic Development Department recommends that the Design Review Board and the Resolution Grant final design review, that's a typo, for the development of 12 single-family attached units of which three will include accessory dwelling units located at 1665 Grenville Road, Assessor Parcel Number 0361010. And one additional item I wanted to add, one of the consider items on the list from last time was the write-in, the write-out only sign. And after discussing their requests with traffic and engineering, they stated that the roadway design is a product of both the general plan and the street design construction standards. And the recommendation from the Design Review Board is inconsistent with those requirements. So they respectfully decline those proposed changes to the signage and the median and the other changes that were proposed to the write-in only. With that, the applicants available to make a presentation and staffs available for any questions you might have. Thanks. Thank you, Chris, today. And I appreciate you talking directly about the traffic flow. And I appreciate staff bringing that to the traffic engineer. So thank you very much for that. With that, are there any questions for staff? We will start down with you, Adam. Any questions for staff? No questions at this time. Thank you. Brett? No questions. Eric? No. Warren? No questions. Henry? No questions. Andrew? No questions. And I have no questions for staff. So with that, Mr. Freeland, do you and your team have a presentation? Are we coming up here to... The applicant can come up here, yeah, correct? Thank you. I'll ask that you and your team speak into the microphone so those watching at home can hear you. Thank you. I could go through in detail how we've listened to your past comments and appreciate them and how we've addressed each one one at a time through. And I've also responded. I think you have a copy of that response. So rather than take another 10 minutes of your time, I'm going to say I don't need to make a presentation, but I am here to answer any direct questions that you might have. And that's it. I think that's a fair way to proceed. So I thank you for giving our time back to us. Chair Kinkate. So we'll just start with questions. Actually, Chair Kinkate, if I may. Yes. In reviewing this, it appeared that you guys have addressed everything, so I would like to move that we approve final design review for Grenville Road Homes at 1665 Grenville Road, file number PRJ18-089, wave reading of the text. So we have a motion on the table. Thank you, Drew. Do I hear a second? Second. Thank you, Warren. So we have a motion and a second, and now we will have a discussion. So why don't we start down on this end? Adam, any comments? Sure. Again, thank you for addressing all the concerns. It's really great to see that, like I mentioned before. But it was also a really great reading through your emails with the neighbors, and you've been very responsive to both staff and to the board and to neighbors. You can tell that you're invested and you're crossing things off the list well. Thank you for that. And a lot of my comments, the last round were for the trees and the landscape, and then you have done a good job in addressing those. And we discussed a little bit before about the choice of the trees. And Susie, thank you for coming and being here to talk about it and to flesh it out too. I don't have too many questions or feedback there. Just one of the ones I was wondering about was with the Acer Nogunda in the boxel. Primarily just to have something on the front. Before she responds, we kind of got a little bit ahead of the game with our order by jumping into the resolution and the public hearing needs to open up. So if we can back up just a little bit. Just getting warmed up. Sorry. Thank you, Susie. We will back up a moment or at least pause for a second. Yeah, so I'd like to open up this I'd like to open up this item for public comment. If you would be so kind as to state your name, that would be appreciated. Yes, hello. My name is Keith Bridges. I'm representing the interests of Redwood Forest Friends meeting where essentially a religious organization immediately to the east of the Gardenville Road Homes project. First, I want to thank the design review board and the planning department and the developer for coming up with an innovative and attractive housing development. I think it's going to be a benefit to the community. But I do need to bring up a couple of issues. I sent a letter yesterday to Ms. Tumayans, but it didn't get forwarded to you. So I'll go through that letter today. In Mr. Freeland's applicant response to preliminary design, which is your attachment to, he states in point three, the applicant reached an agreement with a concerned neighbor regarding the fence along the adjoining property lines. Well, we haven't reached an agreement in spite of, I mean, you don't have all the emails and you don't have the most recent emails. So I didn't even have a copy of the fence concept pictures until I found it earlier this week on the materials and finish board. So that document allows the materials and finish board for the fence concept allows for either four by six pressure-treated Douglas fir fence post or galvanized two by seven, eight round steel galvanized fence post. If I'm reading it right, it was small print. We request that the fence design concept stipulate only round galvanized steel two and seven, eight inch fence posts and all mounting hardware be galvanized for future fence repairs. RFM, our meeting will be dealing with separate property owners, six of them, and would rather have the property line fence last as long as possible. Without the stipulation, we cannot give our permission for any new property line fence. Second, Mr. Freeland has informed me that he plans to incorporate the current six foot high redwood property line fence into the development of his project without providing redwood forest friends meeting any remuneration for this existing good neighbor fence. This fence meets the fence design concept requirements as written. Now the Gornville road home stands to benefit from this existing good neighbor fence serving as a backyard fence for the new homes and the project, redwood forest friends meeting expects to finally be paid for one half $3,000 of the original construction cost of this good neighbor fence. As far as Mr. Freeland has declined to contribute towards that fence built about three years ago. I note in the current GRH drawings it states existing six foot redwood property line fence to remain. So the design review board is voting to incorporate our fence into this design without our permission. Unless a reasonable payment for one half the original fence cost of this building we cannot provide approval for the incorporation of this existing property line good neighbor fence. Finally we have concerns about stormwater runoff at the back of each garage. The rear walls of garages appear to be within three or four feet of the fence line. I can find no drawings that illustrate the placement of gutter downspouts. If gutter downspouts are placed on the ground we will be able to seep on our property and overwhelm our drainage. We understand stormwater, low impact development and best management practices are not in the purview of the design review board. However we request this concern be noted that it will be addressed by other members of the planning department as Garnville Road Homes moves towards obtaining permits. And we will make sure that they are addressed by the applicant. Okay so we were at motion second and Mr. Sharon was sharing his thoughts. So we will close the public comment unless there are others and we will move back to Mr. Sharon and his thoughts. I'll just say verbatim everything I was saying before so thank you. Yes, thank you for saying that Mr. Bridges to talk about it and I'm sorry that we haven't seen that most recent correspondence. Mainly I wanted to say that it was nice to see that the conversation was happening that Mr. Freeland was responsive so but I'm not certain about where things stand with that discussion. But Susie I think you were about to say in terms of the landscape. Thank you for being here again. Which one do I push? No it's on. Hello everybody. Thank you for seeing our project again. Would you mind repeating your question? No, it was thank you for being here and then also just could you talk a little bit about what we were discussing before the meeting but then just for others to hear about what we were discussing and how you did rationale in choosing especially the trees because that was the main sticking point with the trees and the heights and things. Yes I gladly will. The tree selection we have several criteria that help drive that besides just the design and the element of the beauty of it all. We have wheeler which is the water use conservation. We also have the tree selection and the tree selection and we also have the approved street tree list and we also have the elements of interest in height which you were talking about and also creating shade to help kind of cool the parking areas and stuff. So the tree selection being that this is a preliminary concept drawing the lots are so small it's really hard to see the tree selection. So we have the tree selection with the irrigation plants and then we can really sort of modify the actual locations of the trees to get the best benefit of screening and access and also shade. So you suggested a couple of trees which I think are fine. The elder, the Acer Nugundo which is the box elder. It's a moderate water user. We have a lot of tree selection and we have a lot of tree selection. But if you notice we were because of the vision triangle onto Gernville Road we had to take a few trees out and just use two trees that are facing Gernville Road because of the vision triangle so I had to reduce some of the tree canapes. So anyway this is what we have for now but when we do the individual lots there will be a lot of trees. And from a wheel-o perspective it is that moderate to high use ejection so it would need more water and so getting it approved or fitting into the plan would be problematic. All of the trees have an individual valve anyway and that won't be a problem. It's just I use, I typically specify and it's been approved by the city many times. We use a net of drip irrigation to make sure that we have a lot of water and water use. And I appreciate that detail on there as well that you had the drip detail. I think the box it would be interesting to see how it would work because it is fast growing. I do think it would take some maintenance and that's sort of after your purview but maintenance also to have it so pruning it to have that tall canopy getting that central leader would be really important. And then in terms of the placement of the trees my feedback was primarily not on Gernville Road but sort of that LA going down the street. I think having the larger trees is not just on the entrance there but actually going down the street a little bit. You've got a couple of them in there farther down on the road. More to soften these three-story buildings. The development just down the road to the west of where you are that's a similar kind of feel. One of the things that's about that especially because it has it's only sort of one side of the street and it's got a stark kind of it pops out pretty well. And I think that having that more really like nice canopy that has three stories coming up. I would agree with that. I'd say continue that going down the road. But again thank you for fleshing this out and I appreciate that. The stormwater concerns I think that Mr. Bridge has brought up are valid as well to be considered by other departments. Another board. Thank you. Any other questions on landscape? We can certainly take any landscape questions. Brett? Why not? Yeah I think same kind of concerns same I guess suggestions as Adam. And I think if there's at least in the plants that are the trees that are at least listed something more columnar might get at the idea of kind of scaling down the mass of the building itself. But also not really taking away some of the visual interest and the details that have gone into these buildings. They've been here for a third time now so and you know you don't want that to go to waste. Other than that that was having looked at both the rendering and then all of the elevations that we had in the building. So I think that's something again columnar might make the biggest impact as well as kind of getting at what Adam was saying about the alley and some kind of rhythm along what is kind of a busy architecturally busy street on both sides. All right thank you. Any other landscape questions? Okay. Eric? No questions thank you. I'll pause in the middle. So Mr. Freeland if you could address the public comment regarding the fence and if you have any knowledge of how the drainage works in the rear of the properties that would be fantastic as well. Sure. Let's take the stormwater first standard engineering practices. All of the stormwater will drain to the street through the filtration system and into a new stormwater system that we are providing flowing to the west opposite direction of this property will not impact the parking lot whatsoever. Secondly the fence. The neighbor I call them friends. I think it's friends of forest owners. They were required to build a fence as a condition of their approval for a parking lot that they built and they'd ask the previous ownership to pay for that fence or half of it. Well there are provisions for urban development to share the fence cost you for good neighbor fences you're probably aware of all of that. The property still has this property still a rural use and had a rural zoning at the time the fence was built has wire fencing on the other property lines like it had here. So I declined to pay for it. The owners declined. The fence was built three years ago. I declined to pay for half of it now. It's an existing fence that was built in the last year. As far as the design of the fence they have been told that we will give them a fence just like the ones there there. That was said after they first objected and actually after these plans have been drawn showing the wood posts but I've assured them more than once that's just fine. That's just fine. That's just fine. That's the removal that needs to be done and all the replacement that needs to be done. It just came up a last week that there was a possibility that some of the fence near the north end of the property away from Gernbill Road some of that fence may not be might be able to be reused. At that point they asked me if I would like to comment on that. Thank you. Thank you. Drew, comments, questions? Yeah. It's kind of the fence thing. This thing is really hot. Mine is really hot. Regarding the fence it's funny. I've seen this detail before. When I look at it I'm like I have seen this detail before. I have never seen this detail before. I have never seen this detail before. It's kind of peace. I guess my question is it looks like the stringers and the top component would be wood and only the poles would be galvanized. Correct. We agree to use those poles. So I guess the only thing that we would need to do, at least in my opinion, from a conditioning standpoint, is we would, if you're okay with it, and it sounds like you are, but we would just say, good neighbor fence shall have galvanized poles and hardware as indicated on provided detail, in addition to what I would think. That's perfect. Does that sound good? Excellent. And then beyond that, we don't have any recourse as a board to deal with the inner mechanisms of monetary relationships between you and your neighbor. But we can obviously listen to the public comment and provide that direction. So can I friendly amend my own? You just amend your motion. I'm gonna amend my motion to include shall, good neighbor fence shall have galvanized poles and galvanized hardware as included in attached detail. That sound good? Beyond that, I have no other questions. I wish Randy were here to say, Randy did a good job updating some stuff. The colors are nice. I like the colors. Some of them are a little too kind of beigy for me, but you've got some color pop. So I think overall the pallets nice. It's over here. So I think you guys did a good job. Color pop's good. Thank you for listening to our comments. I really like the addition of the canopies on the back. I think your residents are gonna love that. So, and then the stone piece. I think Warren and I were pretty adamant about that last time. So thank you very much. Thanks for great application. I guess I did have a question for staff as I was digging through this. So the lighting that's indicated on the landscape plan would also qualify as the exterior lighting plan. Is that correct? Are you talking about the light fixture? No. I'm talking about the street lights that are indicated on the civil plan. So for final design review, you're required to provide an exterior lighting plan in addition to a light fixture. So just to remind the board, this is for a single family attached project. And I believe they're building to a certain street standard for street lights. Yeah. And that's, that was my question. So the lighting that's included in the tentative map here would qualify for the exterior lighting plan, preliminary exterior lighting plan, regarding final design review. Yes. And they also showed some fixtures that would be installed. The fixtures are, I'm not concerned about that. It was more the exterior lighting plan. There's a lot of information on this particular tentative map. And I was just asking if that would qualify. And that answers my question. So no other comments or questions? Thanks. Before we move on to Henry, Warren, did you want to second the amended motion? I will second the amended motion and appreciate galvanized in the earth, lasting 17 times longer than would. Henry. I'll echo Warren's comment about the longevity of the poles and would agree to that as well. Thank you for listening to our comments, coming back with a solid package that I think we can improve tonight. I hope you can work out issues that you have with your neighbor in the future. They're gonna be there maybe longer than 17 years, so. Good luck with your project. Thank you. Warren, any further comments? Yeah, just a brief. I wanted to thank Barry and I know Randy may be listening in. The only comment I wanted to make, I'm a go, obviously I seconded, I had no problem with the shed in the front. In your comments about how you remedied or addressed the front-of-grain unit, one of the explorations was to just raise the actual plate of the proceedings. So the brackets, it's a little bit bizarre that this kind of a projection above is there. But if you raise the plate of the ADU, the height of it, keeping the shed, that's there's no shell maybe you have to any of that. This is a final review, but should you wish to explore a slightly higher plate there, everything stays the same. It's just that that whole kind of a bird nesting underling thing, you could project the front bay down so that it's swallowed by the shed. Shed stays, plate highs up. That's all I'm saying. But I'm willing to see variety and diversity within our city and embrace such things. So that's just a friendly comment, not an amendment. Super, thank you, Warren. And I just wanted to thank you as well for taking the time to come back for final design review. It's much appreciated. I think it made for a better, more well-rounded project. So thank you very much. And with that, let's call for a vote, Patty. Weigel. Aye. Gordon Brock. Aye. Goldschluck. Aye. Wicks. Aye. Sharon. Aye. Hedgepeth. Aye. Kincaid. Aye. And good luck on your project. Thank you very much. Thank you. All right, we'll take a minute or two to reset and have our other applicant team if they need to set anything up. Please feel free to do so. We'll still have one over here. Yeah, I'll give one more. Excuse me. Yeah. A lot of time for a little bit of time. We're all gone. That's just so cute. That's just my project. It's pretty cute. Don't you like the heart? I like how it feels. I feel like doing it with the head. That's so cute. This is something that has a lot of faces. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks. You're welcome. Thank you. Target. Okay. Because the city engineer. He's going to be a question of a problem. He's going to be a problem. He's going to be a problem. Oh, good. He's going to be a problem. He's going to be a problem. Does he have any other variants? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, that's really good. Definitely. I don't know. I recognize you. What do you see there? Oh, is there really? It's a technician. Andrew and Susie, are we ready to go? Yeah. Good. All right, so I didn't ever adjourn, so I won't call back to order, but we'll get going again. So item 6.2 is a concept design review for 38 degrees north phase two at 260 Petaluma Hill Road, file number DR19-040. And Andrew is here to give us a presentation. Great. Good afternoon, Chair Kincaid and members of the design review board. We're excited to bring the phase two of 38 degrees north to you this afternoon for concept design review. This project is located at 2660 Petaluma Hill Road and it will adjoin the phase one of 38 degrees north, which was approved by design review board in August of 2017 is currently under construction. So phase two consists of 172 units located in eight buildings. All of the buildings are three stories tall. It does have amenity areas and a 2.5 acre open space preserve. We'll go into some details of the requirements regarding that open space preserve during the course of the presentation. And upon completion, it will be co-managed with 38 degrees north phase one. So especially those amenities areas will also support the phase one that's currently under construction. So the multifamily use is a permitted use. Major design review is required and the applicant does foresee a request for parking reduction as part of that major design review. The project because it is multifamily development, it will benefit from priority planning review during the plan review process and it would be eligible for concurrent building permit review following completion of the issues phase. And so the project location there, you can see that it's bounded by Kiwana Springs Road, Franz Kafka Avenue or the future Franz Kafka Avenue, then the future farmer's lane extension to the south and Petaluma Hill Road to the west. It does almost complete development of that project site, the overall site there with phase one happening to the north. The general plan land uses retail and medium density residential. And this also is designated as a community shopping center site, which does require development of a large format grocery store, minimum square footage of 20,000 square feet. The project site is zoned community shopping center and multifamily is a permitted use in the community shopping center zone industry. So we can see here the overall, in general it's proximity to both 101 and to Santa Rosa Plaza. So it's got great accessibility to regional transit as well as to the retail goods and services both at Santa Rosa Plaza, but then as well up and down at Santa Rosa Avenue, including Santa Rosa marketplace. And it does have the benefit of being located along Petaluma Hill Road. So it's got quite effective local transit opportunities as well in part of the transportation network. It is close in proximity to the edge of the city's jurisdiction and well within a mile to the Taylor Mountain open space areas. So here we see the contact site plan and the section of the proposed multifamily areas both centrally located in the overall site, but then specifically to the north of the subject parcel and then midway, the open space preserve which bisects the site and then to the south or to the right of the site in this view on the upper portion would be multifamily development and then the lower right hand corner would be reserved for future commercial development. And so then the conceptual site plan describes the eight buildings, their location and orientation as well as provides a bit more detail on the open space preserve and then that set aside for the future commercial development. The applicant team will go into more details about the site plan as well as the building designs themselves. With regards to the open space preserve, you can see there that there's a linear waterway that flows through the center of the preserve area as well as some wetlands, small seasonal wetlands in the upper portion of it. This is a required mitigation by the Regional Water Quality Control Board and it is connected to the Kwanis Meadows developments across Brands Kafka. So there are limitations to how the open space preserve can be developed and the extent of its use and the applicant will describe those as well. When we move down to the lower right hand corner of the conceptual site plan and look there at about 1.2 acres that's been reserved for commercial future development, it's important to note that because this is the last parcel at this designated community shopping center site that it does have to plan for the future commercial development. It doesn't, we're not requiring completion of the development, but it does have to have that set aside and programmatically plan for a minimum 20,000 square foot grocery store plus some additional square footage for associated retail and then demonstrate that that land use and square footage can be parked per the code. So for that reason, they are designating that then the future commercial development site. When the project comes before you for preliminary design review, you will be required to evaluate the environmental review component of the project. And so at that point in time, the environmental review, which is currently underway will evaluate the entirety of the multifamily component of the project, but because cumulative review is required, it will then programmatically evaluate the future commercial development. And so then the environmental review has the effect of evaluating cumulative conditions for build out of the entirety of the site. So again, we've got some basic site statistics here. The property is approximately 10.87 acres. The residential component would be about nine and a half acres with approximately 1.2 acres remainder for the future development, commercial development. And there would be nine buildings, eight of which would be residential. We've got five 20 plexes and three 24 plex buildings. And then those would all be three story in building height. And then the clubhouse building, which is more centrally located, I guess I can't, located right here adjacent to the open space preserve would be a two story building. Reviewing against some general development standards, it would be applicable to this project. The maximum residential density is 18 units per acre pursuant to the general plan medium residential density land use designation. This project comes in just slightly below 18 units per acre. Maximum building height is 55 feet and at three stories the project as well within the maximum allowable building height. A lot coverage for this zoning district is 100%. And I believe in part attributable to the open space preserve area, the lot coverage, I think it does meet all of the setback requirements. And then if we take a quick look at the minimum parking required, we can see that there's a total of 350 parking spaces that would be required pursuant to the zoning code. The concept site plan does propose 277 parking spaces. It would meet the minimum number required for covered parking spaces, but would be under the minimum required for uncovered or number of parking spaces overall. Therefore, a 21% reduction in parking will be requested as part of their design review. So the neighborhood meeting was scheduled for yesterday, July 17th. And that meeting was held, it was lightly attended. We had four attendees, residents of the neighborhood. And the predominant issues that were concerns expressed by the residents. There was a resident on the west side of Petaluma Hill Road who expressed concerns about the building height, interrupting the view of Taylor Mountain from his property on the west side of Petaluma Hill Road. Additionally, all of the attendees expressed concerns about the open space preserve being an attractor for transient encampment. And they cited concerns and issues that they've had along Colgan Creek, which is just north of Juana Springs Road. It is important to note that there is a bit of a difference in both the depth of Colgan Creek as well as the tree cover and such along the creek as compared to the linear water body that would flow through the open space preserve on this site. And then finally, all of the attendees also expressed concerns about increased traffic on Petaluma Hill Road. As a result of this project, but they did also note that there's already traffic issues on Petaluma Hill Road and Juana Springs Road. They suggested that syncing up the lights at Juana Springs Road and Yolanda Avenue would be a great step in addressing that congestion. And then there was a recommendation to install a stop sign at Juana Springs and Franz Kafka so that people would be able to exit onto Juana Springs from Franz Kafka when the area is eventually built out. And so with those comments in mind, then the applicant has prepared a presentation that, as I said earlier, would focus on site design details as well as the building designs. Thank you. Andrew, thank you. That was a great presentation, particularly for a concept design review project as warrant a little bit more information. I appreciate you preparing that. I think we'll take questions for staff and then we'll have the applicant presentation. So questions for staff, Adam? I think you covered everything that I had for you guys. So thank you for the thorough presentation. Brett. Yeah, thank you. I guess my questions more are about given some of the concerns about traffic on and around the project. And maybe this, I don't know if this is appropriate here or what, but just about Yolanda and if there are any future plans for that as a major, I mean, it's a major connection right off of 101 and things. So maybe there's some addressing that to curb some concerns. So that's one, I guess one question about possible improvements there. Sure, I think that's important information to have even at this point in the design process. Gabe Osburn is here and he can fill us in on what the longterm vision is for that area. Good afternoon, Chair and members of the board. From a traffic standpoint, obviously a development of that nature in the Quantum Meadows project was falling in that bucket as well as there's a fairly robust traffic analysis is performed as part of that, dramatically increasing the trip generation in the area. So as the whole Southeast developed, there was more of a master planning concept from a traffic standpoint for the overall area and Farmer's Lane played a significant role in that. So the Farmer's Lane has not materialized yet. The right-of-way is in place for that. Ultimately, if that happens, that's to alleviate some of the neighborhood traffic onto that main arterial and off the neighborhood streets. That is providing that connection point at Yolanda, which is a signalized intersection. They're also looking at additional pedestrian and transit connectivity at that intersection and changing bus routes to a really account for that. As we look at Franz Kafka and its intersection really to the north of the site, a lot of that will be controlled by the traffic analysis is performed by this project to understand operationally how ingress egress points where people are moving through Franz Kafka, excuse me, as well as Farmer's Lane. Any follow-up questions, Brett? Thank you. More than you anticipated. Yeah. Yeah, and I think also I'm sure with Yolanda, there was some, especially in the staff report and some of the other documents about being so close to Santa Rosa Avenue and that shopping center, making sure there's provisions for sidewalks as well as transit as well, kind of threw that into that corridor, which I'm sure you guys are all covering. That's all I have right now. Thank you. Thanks, Brett. Eric, questions? Quick question. The property adjacent to the proposed project to the south appears to be cattle or some sort of... How do I say it? Concerned in regards to... I mean, I've been in that area many, many times. So there are strong odors that emit from that property, especially with the wind coming out of the south and going towards the proposed project. So are there environmental impact study report or air reports, anything addressing or looking at those issues? The air quality report could consider that the source of odor as part of its analysis. That it's an existing source of odor that's been there through all of the other projects that have been approved, and we can go back and look how it's been addressed through those projects as well. But at this point in time, that's all the information that we would have. So I guess maybe it's a question for the applicant. Do we know what are there air conditioning? Is there air conditioning in all of the units or what kind of filtering process there is for air? Right, I think that'd be a great question for the applicant to follow up on, both in today's presentation, but then moving forward. That's all I have thinking. Thanks, Eric. Drew. I guess I was... I think I had a similar kind of thought on the vehicular access component. So forgive me if I... So where Franz Kafka intersects with Kiwana Springs currently, there is no stop sign there, or there is a stop sign? Well, at this point in time, Franz Kafka improvements are not completely... That's right, it's still building. I guess there is this little portion here. So right here, there is not a stop sign, and I believe that's where the resident was recommending that at least a stop sign be installed to facilitate turning movements off of Franz Kafka on the Kiwana Springs. And then, I guess, has fire looked at this at all or not yet? No, so we don't distribute for review until preliminary. Yeah, I guess, I think addressing the neighbor's comment, this would be more of a question to you guys. It makes sense to me as an architect, why the vehicular traffic is working the way it's working from Franz Kafka to Petaluma Hill, and then also from Farmer Central back to Franz Kafka for the two kind of disparate clumpings of the multifamily development. But I guess the question would be from a traffic study standpoint, what impact is happening specifically probably at the Petaluma Hill road intersection, right? I mean, that's more of a staff question, I think for distribution, as I was spinning that in my head, that was my question comment to staff. So I think that's it. Right, we'll be sure that we look at that and report on it in the, certainly in the traffic analysis, but then specifically make that a topic of discussion during preliminary design review. Thank you, Drew. Henry, questions for staff? Yeah, more of a clarification than perhaps a question. The proposed commercial future development on the corner, you mentioned in your staff presentation that we will be reviewing that on a level of circulation. What exactly are we gonna see and what are you exactly gonna require of the applicant to plan? And is that property owned by the applicant, or is it a sole and separate property that will be developed? And what's the timeline for its development? It is all part of the parcel that we're seeing here on this visual. So it's not a separate parcel. It's essentially a set aside of the overall parcel that a majority of it would be subject to development. There's no timeline for development of that. And at this point in time, we would not require development by any certain point in time. It's just a requirement that it is available for development to conform with the general plan. So in terms of how planning would evaluate it, primarily it will be evaluated during environmental review, a programmatic level analysis. So it would consider, for instance, noise and evaluate how noise from the commercial development might impact residential uses. And it would also look at traffic and circulation to ensure that a cumulative analysis or cumulative mitigation requirements would include consideration of the future build out of that site. So we'll see on this next level, we'll see circulation on that site, a designated building pad or potential parking? No. Well, I'm not certain that we'll see actual circulation of that area, but we would, the traffic analysis would look at trip generation as a result of the commercial use of that site. Yeah, so it's more the numbers analysis rather than the physical movement on that portion of the site. Thank you. Thank you, Henry. Warren, questions for Steph. Hey, just a quick, I know others have touched on this. I can understand from the phase being built right now, there is an out on Petaloon Hill Road between Kiwanis being well-served there. I'm not the traffic engineer, but I think it's the idea. The main building being built now right at the corner, we've got a direct curb cut to Petaloon Hill Road. I can understand the applicant not wanting to have multi curb cuts at each point to minimize confusion. So it appears there's at least two curb cuts in the net and the long gain that would be there. And so I'm just going to echo that the traffic engineers and internal applicants will do their best to see how blood circulates on the site. And I don't have any personal agenda about signaling. It's just an internal study that hopefully will vet and address such things. Thank you. Thanks, Warren. And I have no questions for staff that haven't already been asked. So Gabe, thanks for being here today. I appreciate it, your time. And I will look for an applicant presentation. And when you're speaking, if you get to introduce yourself in relationship to the project, that'd be fantastic. Actually, I've got a quick question that I think the curb cut that Warren's referring to is an emergency vehicle access curb cut. If memory serves from when we approved this back in August, is that right, Andrew? Do you remember? No, Amy was working on that project. So I'm only tangentially familiar with it. I'm sure the applicant can probably answer it, yeah. Can you answer that? Good afternoon. Thank you, Andrew. Appreciate that presentation. My name's Keith Herron. I'm with Kennedy Wilson. How's everybody doing today? Good, excellent, Keith. Excellent. It's good to be back in front of you. It's been a couple of years and now it's phase two. Phase two is actually very similar to phase one. We think we've made a few improvements, but it's very similar. Connectivity, pedestrian-wise, as well as vehicular. It is going to be one community and we're gonna manage it as one community. But it's a very wonderful site. I think we're actually pretty lucky to have the open space reserve kind of cut through it. Sometimes things like that come up in the middle of the design through Army Corps that you just kind of cringe and you think about it and then once you get it, you go, oh, well, that's kind of a nice little feature. So it's actually a very nice thing. We're happy about it. But again, we're happy to be in front of you. The differences between phase one and phase two. Phase two, we're using, well, phase one was all one building footprint. Phase two will have two different building footprints and the architects are here to talk about that. Basically a tuck under garage product. So we just wanted to kind of differentiate the product a little bit, have a little variety. I think we upgraded the architecture. We'll see what your thoughts are, but we just, while we like phase one a lot, we think you can always improve, right? So here's phase two and we think we have a little better architectural style and we're pretty happy about it. But I'll just turn it over and they'll kind of walk you through the whole site plan and the architecture. And we have the architects. We have a landscape architect here and we have the civil engineer here. So if there's any questions of staff, or excuse me, of the consultant team, we're happy to answer. So thank you very much. Hi, my name's Keith McCloskey with KTGY Architecture and Planning. Michael Militello's here with us as well. He's our lead designer for the project. And I figured I'd start with just a brief overview of kind of continuing on some of the changes between phase one and phase two that Keith Aaron had already started to suggest. But basically, I think as we continued looking at this new extension of the building parcel acreage and trying to think about how we could expand the project, offer more variety of unit types as well as overall project diversity. We looked at a few different things and one was, as Keith suggested, looking at introducing a new building type. And so once we start introducing this many units, we're naturally looking to bring some unit plan diversity. So even though these building footprints are similar in scale and size to phase one, the idea that they'd be generally compatible in typology, the three-story walk-up garden product, the unit plans in these buildings are all entirely different than phase one. Not too different, but slightly altered in the square footage is slightly different. The mix is slightly different. So there's a blend of product diversity as we have the two phases ultimately built out to operate as a single project. And so with respect to the site plan, as Keith was mentioning with respect to the open space, it's quite a constraint in terms of the geometry, which leaves some challenges architecturally. As was suggested earlier, the project site does get broken into essentially two clusters or neighborhoods. And so because of that separation there of the open space from the North and South portions, we ended up with kind of a smaller standalone neighborhood of these two 20-plex buildings on the South that would really share the same general area as the future commercial parcel. And then up North, again, we tried to be sensitive to the amount of curb cuts while still facilitating convenient vehicular movements between the adjacent streets as well as the existing phase one. So as you can see on the very North end, there is connectivity with two passages for vehicular circulation to happen there, as well as the perimeter connections out to Petaluma Hill Road, France, Kafka, and Farmers. And I think as, I hope as evident in the site plan, we really started to look at this open space preserve as an opportunity for the project. And the buildings that have been placed were really centered around that. And we view it as a potential strong amenity to the project. From a landscaping perspective, we see a vision that could really be an opportunity to look at something where the project kind of internalizes towards that open space. And that becomes a featured element that all these buildings are centered around and look out onto. So that becomes kind of a focal point. And as we studied numerous site plans to kind of get the right placement of the amenity building, ultimately we did land at kind of that knuckle there. One, it's the geometry is kind of complex there to work with some of the larger footprints of the apartment buildings. But we also felt like it's central to this phase two portion of the project and kind of becomes that anchor there in the middle where it starts to take advantage of these views and really make for the focal point for those that are coming into that amenity center or the swimming pool to really take advantage of that open preserve. And then with respect to architecture, I'm gonna let Michael kind of walk through some of the goals that we had in terms of looking at phase one architecture, looking at compatibility and bringing an architecture that we thought would be different, unique and add variety to the overall project but still be in general essentially the realm of style, materiality and even using some of the same colors that were on phase one. So Michael will share a little bit about the architecture and then we can circle back and go through any questions on the general strategy for vehicular pedestrian circulation and planning and then through the architecture design and details as well. Good afternoon. So I'm gonna pull up, pull up an elevation really quickly of the apartment buildings. But basically like Keith was saying when we considered the architecture of phase two, we really wanted to make sure that the buildings appeared as part of the same community as phase one but had a uniqueness to them and had sort of individual aspects that separated them and gave the residents a sense of exclusivity and a sense of ownership for a unique product. And to achieve this, we sort of looked at some traditional materials that phase one used like some light gray lap siding and some of the bolder blue lap siding and fiber cement trim. And we took those and introduced a few new materials but also use a sort of contemporary mix and blend of different massing and volumes to create some layering and sort of a unique style. So you can see on the facade of these three-story apartment buildings, we've taken the siding like the gray and the blues but we've also introduced like a wood-look tile to give it some warmth and tie some of the color back to the natural colors found in the open space preserve. We also introduced sort of an off-white fiber cement paneling, flat panel that sort of creates these framed elements that kind of give it like a unique and modern look. And those elements are found in places like the stairwells and the framing of the balconies. And we felt that it kind of helps to, these masses help to vary the roof line and give it a good amount of variety. So we're not just looking at sort of straight edge three-story masses. We like the idea of the stairwells being sort of these open elements that are framed and also clad in sort of a wood-look tile or wood-look slats that allow light and air and ventilation to come through the stairwells and could sort of glow at night and also reflect sort of the more rural architecture found in the surrounding countryside as well. As far as the garages in the tuck under garages on the 20 plexes, we tried to sort of blend those in as much as we could in terms of tying them into the grays and the siding that is found in the other, sort of some of the other areas as well. So those are our main concept to basically take the architecture of phase one that I think everybody thinks is clean and sort of traditional and give it sort of a unique blend and a unique contemporary mix. Well, I think that's generally our presentation or overview, but of course, we're here to answer any questions and respond to any comments. As I mentioned, the civil engineer and our landscape architect, Dr. Hall here. Great, thank you for the presentation. Because it's concept review, we'll kind of just have a casual conversation of question and answer comments. That's right. So we appreciate that. Before we get into that, I am going to open it up for a public comment. Is there anybody wishing to speak about this project? If you could just state your name and you've got three minutes. All right, thank you very much. My name is Joaquin Mihadis. My brother and I are here as the property owners of 2669 Petalham Hill Road. This project is directly across the street from us. For over 50 years, my family's owned this property and we've enjoyed the view of Taylor Mountain and the plane that's been there. And like I stated last night, I understand progress and I understand the need for housing in the city of Santa Rosa. I'm just asking that there be some looking into the view that is being taken away from me. Now I'm going to have a 24 plex building that stands approximately 40 feet high, approximately 50 feet away from my front porch. I'm not happy with it. There are a few things that I'm not happy about but that's the just of it is that progress is bringing a huge building right in front of my property that is now gonna be looking down into my property. And it's just a disappointment that such a beautiful landscape that I've been able to enjoy my whole life that my children enjoy now. My family enjoys now is proposing to be taken away completely. None of these pictures are great but they don't show the effect it will affect. The corner apartment complex is already a three story and it kind of gives us an idea of what we're looking up against. We're gonna now be kind of blocked in. It kind of looks, it's gonna start looking like a prison to be honest with you. It's like two huge buildings all of a sudden where we used to have a beautiful landscape of Table Mountain. I also would like to be curious to, I also am curious to see the environmental impact report if I'm able to at the time because there's a lot of natural habitat that is gonna be affected that has been there for years and I just, like I said, I understand change and I understand progress and I'm happy to be a member of the city of Santa Rosa and we have been for a long time but now we have this huge building coming up and I don't want it there to be honest with you. Thank you. Thank you Joaquin and stay engaged. I appreciate your comments and the all of the documents that become part of the project are all available to the public so you'll have access to those. Sir? Adrienne Morris, Montmiatis. This is Bennett, excuse our outbursts in your chamber, pardon us, I'm here to just kind of express the same thing that my brother has expressed and maybe give you sort of an idea of where I'm coming from with it. A three-story building directly across the street from our place is gonna blot us out. Sun's probably not gonna hit our yard till about 11.30 or one o'clock depending on the season. That's just one thing. When the lights go out at night, all the lights that are gonna be on that property are gonna drown out everything that's natural. And the view for Taylor Mountain I've looked at for the last 40 years, almost 50 years, I'm 47 years old. I've watched that area and it's a really great idea. I mean you guys' place is a great idea and your building designs look beautiful and the landscape designs look very lovely and the greenway, that gives me a little bit of concern. Who's gonna take care of that? Who's gonna monitor that and maintain it? Somebody mentioned that there wouldn't be any over, like trees there, because that would be a problem. There's a lot of transients that have kind of been in that area for decades. And they'll live right there if you let them. And anyways, I've seen this neighborhood grow up. I used to go to Kwan Elementary. I used to be able to run across the field from the corner of Kwan Springs and Petalumetal Road. I used to be able to see the fireworks from that corner back when Kwan Springs Road was just Kwan Springs Road that went all the way back up to where now it's the beginning of Taylor Mountain, one of those, the regional park entrance. I've seen that whole area develop, and it's nice, and it's nice to have, but it's problems. And I just wanna make sure that some of these issues are addressed by the builders and that they're gonna take responsibility for some of these issues, like the traffic infrastructure and stuff like that. But more so, I wanna kind of touch base on what my brother's talking about, is that, you know, when I pull out of my house every day, I see that mountain. I've seen it every day for decades, and I got a feeling that that's not gonna happen anymore, as if I'm wondering if there's any way we could maybe review the design of the layout of the property, or perhaps if that's even a possibility, or if I'm even being so bold to even request that. But I would like to be able to throw my hat in the ring and say, hey, you know, if there's any way we could, you know, I know looking at the schematic on the design right there that's in front of me, I mean, you could turn a couple of buildings and perhaps, you know, I don't do a little song, I don't know, but directly across the street from our place, that's a little much. Talking, we have people directly to the north of us, and it was sort of how to get used to them, and they're looking right into our homes. And they've had to provide, the developers of that property provided trees as cover, but still nonetheless, you know, the only time I get to experience the night like I used to is when the power was out in the area. Otherwise, it's not the same. Now you're gonna, now the building could potentially you know, we're one family, and we're the last of the original people that have lived on that particular side of Petalham Hill Road. The grays just sold their property, and Jim Grays, I believe he's gonna sell his next to ours, but we're there. We're set deep, heaven high to hell deep, we're set roots, and it's just a shame, just to, you know, come this out on that view. This little guy right here, he's gonna grow up there as much as he can, just like we did. We had, you know, I wish I had the pictures that I wanted to bring, pictures of me and him at this size, sitting at the mailbox looking south, which we're probably looking at on the map that little green spot on Petalham Hill Road that's probably where it'd be facing. Anyways, thank you for your time. I appreciate all of the words that you just spoke, and it's one of the reasons I sit on this board is, you know, development comes with pain, and we sit up here to make sure that if development happens, that it happens in the best way possible. So thank you for your time. I encourage you to stay engaged. So thank you. Any other public comment? Seeing none, we'll close public comment, and we will bring it back to the board for comments, questions, thoughts on the concept designer view for phase two. So we'll start on this end, Drew. So I did look at the previous submittal, and the curb cut is emergency vehicle access only. So there you go. So I guess I think that doubly enforces the one curb cut on the Petalham Hill Road side. Just the impact that that will have, you know, it's a busy road with the street widening that looks like it's gonna happen, you know. Obviously it's gonna be in the traffic report, traffic study, but. Drew, can you clarify that for me? Which one is the emergency exit? So if we're looking at this image right here, so you notice the bank of parking on the farthest north of the phase two. Okay, so then you see the bank of parking on the phase one right there adjacent to it. And if you go immediately sheet south, there's an EVA access only curb cut. And it's defined in the, I went back on my iPad here and I pulled up the previous design submission. It's the beauty of these things. Like, hey, let me go back to August 17th of 2017 and find the submittal. So I was, as I was listening to the public comment, it got me thinking about something that the applicant team can perhaps provide. And if you guys are anything like us, you have these tools available to you. Would it make sense to generate some three dimensional studies of some of the views from Petalum Hill Road kind of along those properties along the, I guess the west side of Petalum Hill Road. That's relatively easy to do, I would imagine. Just kind of clunk, clunk, clunk. Yeah, we could definitely set up some 3D views with the roadway in place and maybe just estimate the vantage point from those residences. Yeah, and then with Google Earth, we can get Taylor Mountain in the distance. Get a photo or whatever, yeah. And then is a sun study something that would be required as part of the environmental impact report or mitigated neck deck or whatever ends up being? Do you say a lighting study? No, no, sun study. Oh, solar? Solar. No, I don't think we would require it. I mean, that's something that's the computer. You guys use Revit or Sketchup or something. The computer can kind of spit it out. That may be something to address some of their concerns as well in terms of the shading of the three story buildings and maybe show where that shadow is occurring along that kind of the corridor there along Petalville Hill Road because scratching my head on that, I may not go all the way across the street, I'm thinking, but that would be a way to show that. So I was just thinking about easy ways that the design team could address that. I think this is a great, that being said, actually it's a fantastic project. I think the architecture is really interesting and unique. I actually prefer it to phase one because I went back and I looked at phase one. I wanted to see what they look like. I do actually prefer this to phase one. It's a little more modern and a little more sleek, sexy perhaps even, maybe. I'm not a huge fan just like personally as an architect of that porcelain tile that looks like wood. But that being said, I do understand the maintenance aspects that come with it. It's pretty maintenance-free once you put it up. But we just, we're working on a project. We use Trespa horizontal siding in lieu of that. Client really likes it, comes in wood finishes. I don't know about cost, but it's something to potentially explore to get that same look that you're going for. Yeah, I think we're open to investigate and I think there's other products out there that can achieve a very similar look other than the wood tile. That porcelain stuff to me just feels very fake, I guess is the best way to put it. But beyond that, I mean, I really, I mean, I think these are really great buildings, great massing, great breaking of the massing. The color palette's kind of unique and fun. The materiality's nice. I really don't have anything else. Surprising for me. I'm used to it almost all the comments. So thank you very much for your kind of complete package. I look forward to seeing this at preliminary design review and I would say this about that. If you guys can come with everything that you would need for preliminary and final, you would likely walk away with final at that time. So just based on where you are right now in your package and my familiarity with this firm as well, I know that they can deliver that. Thank you very much. Thank you, Drew, Henry. Yes, thank you for bringing out a very thorough concept package to us to take a look at this evening. I peeked over Drew's shoulder and looked at the prior project as it came before, said designer view board. And I think this project is a vast improvement in terms of its style. And I think sexy is probably a pretty good description, especially the end elevations. I think they're really nicely masked and layered in such a way that is appealing to me as an architect. So my kudos to you on that. Look forward to you bringing it back for preliminary design review. And I think if you did bring us all those elements and work with staff, I think I would echo Drew's comment that we could potentially push it through and give you a final at the same time. Thank you. I kind of forgot to preface something I was gonna say and if we could comment on our thoughts on a parking reduction. I'm cool that in all honesty, I think the biggest thing that we find as a board with parking reduction is neighborhood kind of engagement regarding that in terms of is somebody gonna park on my property or things like that. What I personally appreciate about the layout of this parking and particularly the tuck under kind of elements is that you've kind of accounted for multiple different layers of parking. And so every unit has its own parking space for the most part with the addition of a little bit, right? For visitors and whatnot and maybe. So I think, I don't know. I mean, I know we're gonna have to make that secret determination or not secret, but a plan of determination. I'm okay with it personally. I actually really like the parking layout as it is with all the trees and all that stuff. I mean, it meets the design guidelines and all that stuff. I don't know about Henry, but. Well, I'll jump in and thank you for reminding me of that, Scott. The, I think there was a project, maybe Warren could help me address it, but it's like the grocery store that was required to do residential. And here's the reverse kind of situation where you're doing the residential, but you're not required to do the grocery store. So, and I only bring it up because I think it layers into the fact that if you did the development and provided that kind of convenience for this neighborhood and the surrounding neighborhood, you wouldn't have to get in your car. You wouldn't have to go as on the Petaluma Hill Boulevard. You know, walking to Costco and Target, it's a little bit of a hike. So providing that corner development, I think that's gonna be a key anchor to the whole development. I'd like to see it come sooner than later. Obviously, it's not a purview to tell you when to develop it, but integrating that in sooner than later would help me justify the parking reduction as well because you've got something that serves that complex in a very, very convenient way. You just wouldn't need to rely on your car as much. So that's my spin. Super, thank you. Warren. Yeah, thank you. I could weigh in on the parking first and go to the, first of all, I'm really excited with this project. I wanted to bring up one amazing thing that I'm happy for the city of Santa Rosa doing. We know of a lot of communities that have form-based codes and they're looking for a strong urban connection. What's wonderful about this project is as the neighbors kind of had mentioned, you have this agrarian, you have a whole corridor of bio retention which is fenced in. You can look and see, take pictures, but not step on frogs. And then the community itself, the way you've woven all your sidewalks together to address things. I'm particularly impressed with how it doesn't necessarily need double-oaded corridors. You have living rooms that face pedal in the road. You're not bedrooming it to death. So there's this lamp-like quality there. And to Henry's point and to Drew's, having the future commercial, hopefully some small, non-desert food. It's more than Hostess Twinkies and Fritos, something beats, something nourishing. That could really play into this. What's interesting with parking, it's a market-rate project. It's not looking for a density bonus. If you looked at a density bonus, you could get another windfall of lesser parking stalls. So it's in this pocket of 18 to the acre. It looks like it's much denser if you counted all the bio out. But I'm just remarking about how it cites like this that can prosper from not having codes that are so restrictive. I'm sure you're migraine with some areas where it's a forced work-live here and a whatever there and you have to wend your way and it's FAR stuff and you have to get a GPA. So thank you, Santa Rosa, for mechanisms. So I'm obviously the code bearing of 25% reduction to staff is garden-variety, market-rate, no 4% or 9% tax credit deal. One of the things I wanted to comment on, if you go to your floor plans a minute, just maybe take the big building and could you give me a zero in on just like a two bedroom? Blow it up to just one now. Yeah, thank you. If you go to just one plan, just your two bed standby plan, can you zoom it up a little or is this the biggest I'm gonna get it? Yeah, well, first, okay, that's the elevation stuff. You notice in the elevations, you have French doors at your decks. Your decks are your living room area and you have a pair of French doors like the big white square there, it's got a pair of French doors. If you go back to the plan, one of the things I know we're at concept, there's an element of an access door out to the deck and what appears to be a larger section of glass, which is a happy thing for me. The plans, you've got a little storage area off the deck and I don't know if that's even mandatory anymore, but what you have is in the main areas when you're not sleeping, your life beyond that entry door, you've got no hallway relights. The door where you come into, which may be French glass, that would be great if it would. I'm not mandating it, but you've got a breath of either morning or night or daylight opening the front door. Your living room is the sole that whole light area to the whole unit when you're not asleep. I'm very much intrigued with a more generous section of glass potentially because it may have just been the computer 3D work which is beautiful, it's just more shunted. It looks like a pair of French in there, maybe a six-hole opening, but just that extra section of glass, it's fixed. I don't think you're gonna do any kind of mold or parrot, but I'm just saying that it would be wonderful to give a bit more light to that living room. That would be a wonderful way to live there and know that there'd be that much more sun. It's more in keeping with your plan, so your plan's cool. To that end, we don't have any mandate or standards that the city is imposing on energy. And my agenda here is I read your narrative. You've got a project narrative and you've got a design narrative. Your carports right now, they have to be covered. And the cost to cover them in solar versus Croco or Baja, whichever you like, every other month you switch carport companies. We don't have any mandate here about retiring gas and having all electric, but I'm just wondering if that's the cards. I don't wanna create any agenda, any bad feelings because by right, you're running your density. You've got your energy compliance, it's all there. It's just for now a conversation about whether if you want to do carports, do you wanna solar them? Do you wanna give something back in the grid? I know gas goes up about 6% a year, electric's only one. There's a lot of studies about costs there. This is not a conversation about shells or whatever, but it's just, I think this board is tolerated before carports with solar. I don't think anyone has had traumas over that, so that's just a question. But I really like how the project is very, it's very outdoorsy in a way, even though it's urban. It has a feeling of being able to connect to these sidewalks. I love your stairwell, the fluting, the almost the organ pipes of how you've kind of laced a tracer since it's not an exit rated stair. I'm almost wondering for durability if those were metal, maybe it's baked in ammo metal, but I don't think wood's gonna cut those long shafts without having some mortgage, but maybe that would be the case. And I guess the final, just to comment, compliment is, and I know this is a landscape thing, so I don't wanna get in the landscape land too much. I was remarking on the parties that were here and their comments about what they're seeing. And the city of Santa Rosa has a list of street trees and it marches along, but something curious and fun and surprising, like ginkgo trees, I don't know if Deodore, the atlases would be fun, but Redwood's kind of getting the way they really take their way in sidewalks. I only had one year of landscape architecture, so I'm, wait, so shame on me. So I'm just gonna turn it over to you guys, but my only comment is that it would be wonderful to be curious and unexpected in that whole allay. Almost, and I'm goofy, but that's my last comment. You're not goofy, Warren. Thanks, Warren, Adam. Sure, thank you for that. Hopefully, Warren, we can all just comment upon everything, right? Yeah, yeah, go for it. Definitely, well, and going to the last project too, I'm definitely interested in seeing experiments, trying something new, different things with the landscape as well. So, yeah, that's a good thought. It doesn't have to have a uniform canopy of the same trees. It's healthier anyway. Yeah, great presentation for conceptual review, so thank you, everyone, for that and for all your efforts. A couple of things. Yeah, I'm gonna be really interested to see the traffic study, what's coming through with that. Definitely gonna be interested in to see the environmental review as well. That's gonna be pretty interesting. Wondering who you guys have talked to or thought about partnering with because thinking about, one thought with the environmental side of things and with the open space reserve, I'm glad you guys are thinking of it as an asset. There's a lot, I think one of the problems that can arise with open space areas or with creek corridors, waterways, things like that is that they become almost seen as burdens and they become seen as forgotten areas that just need to be dealt with and then move on and get to the stuff that people use. And then they become forgotten and so if you flip that and actually see them, engage with them and what I like about that, you're having that bridge coming across like that is a good way to actually get eyes. It's like eyes on the street, eyes on the creek, you're actually getting people out there without getting into the actual corridors itself. I'm gonna be interested to see with the environmental review and to see what you guys are, how you're gonna be engaging with that and what kind of landscapes are gonna be there because if it is seasonal wetlands, that could be an asset with keeping people out of there because then it's more open, meadow-y type of landscape that is there rather than willow-y creeks that are, and I'm sorry if I should be directing a lot as to you if you're doing that, yeah. But to really emphasize that aspect, keeping it sort of open and meadow-y, some of the other corridors, when you're doing some of your site analysis, I'm not sure exactly how much you've done around here, but some of the corridors that are planted, remnants or channelized corridors through this area, they all flow kind of east to west down from the hills over to the Laguna and they're really dense, channelized, very willow-y covered blackberries, stream channels and so if you kind of flip that to think about your mitigation and remediation with plantings of keeping it less, less really, really dense corridor and more of engaging with that open, meadow-y, vernal pool aspect. There are plenty of, I was looking, you're based out of Sacramento, is that what I saw? And have you done much work around this area? You did phase one, so great. Awesome, yeah, no, that's great. And I think that's another thing is I appreciate that you guys are seeing this as a whole site, phase one, phase two, rather than two distinct pieces, but really great people to talk to just for ideas and think of ecologically also Laguna de Santa Rosa Foundation, get some really good ideas. They've got a lot of really great ecologists over there that could help with potential plant pallets and with the remediation mitigation. There's plenty of local partners to talk about. Also going with that, seeing how that can inform the actual landscape of the site itself, having a knit rather than just being these like post-encable fences with landscape houses, gardens, and then open space, have that be a little blurrier as well, mix in it. I'm sure you're thinking that way as well. Yeah, and so really sort of emphasizing that could be a central piece. It could be like a design concept is how you're engaging with the flood plain and the waterways and all that there, rather than just saying, I always need to have that because we gotta mitigate that, so. Yeah, and it seems like you guys are on that and I appreciate that you mentioned that in your first presentation too. I think you guys were also here for the first project too, being in communication, conversation with the neighbors as well, it's really important. Can't always meet eye to eye, but just having that conversation going is really good and I think Drew's points about thinking about some shade study and the views and 3D views and just doing everything to kind of put everyone's mind at ease to, you know, because you see, you know, elevations of buildings and you just think, oh God, it's gonna be a huge wall, like it's gonna block everything and if it's, you know, you can get actually into the more views, so I think that could be really useful. Questions? I think we need to agree in terms of drainage and just seeing that there are the fire retention areas in the southeast parking lot and then down at the, or over at the west side, but there's not anything up near the eastern edge, so I think we need to go to the front's up near phase one, I'm just kind of curious about site drainage if it's all coming, you know, because again with waterways, as you guys know, being really, you know, knowing where that water's going, you know, especially when you're right next to the waterway there and so I'm curious about the capacity of these and, you know, just thinking about that and again, that's next phase about where that's coming in. There'll be fleshed out, I'm sure, a bit more, northern eastern section of the drainage. There's a lot of, you know, potential families here as well and so I saw, you know, thinking, so two things with that. I'm thinking about the central clubhouse area. There's a lot, it's kind of, you know, in this space that you've got, there's a lot. It's really, really built out. I'm wondering if there can also be thinking of, you know, more breathing room too of areas where people, space that people can, the residents can use around their buildings too. I know that there's some. I wonder if there's a potential outdoor component near that clubhouse area that could be had. The tot lot that is near the, at the southern end of the bridge. I don't think that was mentioned in the presentation. I didn't see it in the narrative. Can you talk a little bit about that tot lot, what exactly that is, I assume, for kids. Yeah, yeah, I guess we didn't mention it. Oh, I'm sorry. I guess we did not mention it. But yeah, at the end of that pedestrian bridge we had planned for, because we do think there'll be families with young children. So we think geared towards very small children is what we're thinking right now. Yeah, because thinking about, you know, where this is in terms of the city of actually getting two parks, getting to places where kids can play, you know, there's gonna be a lot of families there. I'm not too familiar with the phase one, if there's a component there, but is there a playground or open space at all? There's a, well, of course, there's a clubhouse and a swimming pool. Yeah. And there is a dog park. Dog park, okay. Yes. And a community garden. Excuse me, there you are. Okay. But no children's memenity. No children's memenity on that one. Okay. Yeah, I was, I'm glad that you mentioned that too, that you thought of that, because having something for the kids and for the families that are there. One thing would be to have it be a little more centrally located, and right now it's sort of over by the supermarket and thinking about where that store and commercial area is, that's, I would imagine, that's back of house or side of house to the supermarket. And so thinking about where kids are gonna wanna play, you know, where that's gonna be. So is that the best spot for it? I know you've got a lot going on in the site, maybe more centrally located, especially if there's nothing in phase one, if there's a way that that can be pushed over a little bit more. So thinking about, you know, you're walking with kids, you know, do you wanna have to wind your way all the way around and go across the bridge and get all the way back to the northern part there. So thinking about continuing with that. Aren't you supposed to wear children out so they get tired? Does that go to bed and sleep? That is definitely true. I have a five-year-old son. So your point's well taken. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So, and then thinking about if there are ways to engage with the edges of the open space preserve as well. Is there, you know, potential for, like, you know, bird watching? If it is vernal pools, you know, bird watching areas, overlooks, bulb outs, is there a walking trail around it? Is there something like that? To, again, just engage with it. Make it great, you know. Yeah. So, I think that's gonna do it. Oh, actually a question about the bike parking. I was trying to see here. You have one space per four units without private garage. And it's, from what I see, it's not specified on the plan, or am I just missing it? Okay, excellent. Cool. Thank you, Brett. Thanks for that. But again, just thinking about that bike parking as well. I look forward to the next phase for you guys. And yeah, you guys are well on your way. And it does seem that, you know, come back and you can probably get on to final. So thanks very much. Thank you. Thank you, Adam. Brett, comments, questions? No, I think I had some similar concerns about the view to Taylor Mountain. And without seeing kind of what's happening at the corner, my initial thoughts were kind of, you know, something to anchor, anchor that corner. But given kind of the space you've provided for the BMP area here. For the spot right there. Yeah. So with that spot, you've kind of started, you've maybe started to set up a view corridor that is maybe more favorable to Taylor Mountain. So I think with kind of Drew's correct, not, you know, again, we don't know what's happening on that parcel. And then, you know, some of the things Adam brought up about the adjacency to the top lot. And, you know, if that is back of house, there's obviously some, you know, games kind of better things that need to be looked at holistically. But so that was kind of, you know, given the type of development this is and with phase one, again, just kind of thinking about that corner as, you know, as kind of an anchor to create or to finish that street front along Petaluma Hill Road. But then, you know, kind of hearing the neighbor's concerns. It sounds like there's some, you know, some wiggle room in that. And if there's, you know, with some kind of viewshed study or design or views of Taylor Mountain, you might be able to curb some things there, perhaps, or some concerns. Taylor Mountain is fairly large as well. On the open space preserve, yes, a massive amenity, I think, and given the current state of it, there isn't dense vegetation in terms of heights and things like that with trees. So I think similar, you know, is very encouraged that the buildings are actually facing, you have eyes on the creek, like Adam said. It's a very strategic way of looking at that as an amenity, as well as maybe keeping, you know, people are instilling a bit of pride in what that element is as a neighbor, even though you might be renting. I'm assuming these are rental, mostly rental units. But nonetheless, I think there's, you know, some opportunities, again, and I know that, you know, you have the Regional Water Quality Board to deal with, but with kind of engaging that element a little bit more as opposed to just the crossing that's great, you know, it provides a moment and it's a lot of relief for an otherwise very busy site. So I think it was maybe even your first rendering that was actually quite nice and actually kind of captivating. I think it was your cover slide that was basically these like pure vistas from one side to the other and also from east to west, most likely. If there are, and when there is some kind of remediation or planting that is happening nearby, just think about the oaks and how stately those are. I'm sure you guys have and will, but that might be an opportunity to provide just that one lone focal point in this otherwise kind of flat vernal pool wetland type area. So coming out from the east coast, Midwest, having that type of landscape or being in this type of landscape is, and seeing that single oak on the top of the hillside or in that field is quite compelling and kind of soothing from multiple perspectives. Yeah, and then I guess the last thing I had was, I know we kept talking about parking and I should have probably asked this question for staff, but given the reduction, and I'm all for the reduction and understand why it's happening, but is there an opportunity to do on-street parking at all around this? I know we have, and I know it's going to be limited given the stretches and curb cuts that you do have, but that is an alternative, I think that could be at least looked at to kind of offset that concern, especially if you have a commercial use there, we're not sure what's going to happen at farmers, you know, across farmers central, et cetera, but I know just up the street, just up north on Petaluma Hill Road, you have some on-street, you start to get into on-street parking along there, and that would also create, again, a little bit more of a narrower street section instead of lane, lane, lane, lane. If there are cars parked on that street, it also helps with calming and things like that, traffic calming and such. I know that there's probably limited right-of-way and there's a traffic study to capture volume and make sure you're dealing with that, but that might be something that can curb any concerns, but doesn't sound like there are any here, and you're well within the 25%. Yeah, otherwise, yeah, I mean, the architecture and the massing is really, if I can step out, where's Warren? Yeah, if I can get into that a bit, but yeah, I mean, it's very nice. I do appreciate the contrast with the color and the subtle color that you're using. It's not anything that's too overt, and the way you've treated the volumes in terms of the fenestration and kind of done the picket type is a nice nod, I think, as well, so looking forward to seeing it again in more detail. That's all I have. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Brett. Eric. So to start, I don't have any problems with the traffic, the parking reduction. I don't see that as an issue at all. I think the project looks great. The buildings look great. Colors, the breaking up of the massing with different materials. The only area that I have for a suggestion I'm actually looking for more of a dialogue is actually relating to the ingress and ingress of the parking. You have an exit on Fran's Kafka on the north side of Building 3, and my recommendation would be to move that to the south side of Building 3 between Building 3 and Building 4. So, one, the roadway or the parking lot there is wider. It doesn't require those coming in and out of the parking area to make a left turn and then a right turn, and then also the exit onto Fran's Kafka where you have it proposed is on like a 20 to 30 degree curve on the roadway. So it would be much safer with the exit between Building 3 and Building 4. Your thoughts? I'm smiling because we've looked at that a lot. I'm trying to recall. What I remember seeing is that it's like close to the street heading to the east. It's like real close to that, but not on it. So that was a problem for our traffic folks. That's what I recall. Yeah, you can pan the picture down and see that it won't line up the property. There you go. Thank you. So you'll actually have people exiting will be misaligned to that. No question that would be a way to go out. Yeah, and I looked at the same thing. But when you look at the map of the proposed area where your exit is actually comes out just slightly misaligned equally to Qantas terrace. So you have the same issue. Oh. You have the same issue at either exit. I'm not recommending moving your building site. But I definitely think it's safer, longer line of sight exiting between building three and four. You know, this, I'm making the same assumption some of my colleagues have made is that it's going to be a family apartment complex with lots of kids running around. So when you have people coming in making a quick right, a quick left through the parking lot it creates a safety hazard. As they come into the parking lot if it's between building three and four you know, what you're thinking about is there a line of sight for any pedestrians that are in the area. Yeah. I would just say that we'd be happy to look at that again. And because that's frankly that, as I said, it makes so much sense. In fact, we had it going right through Building 4 and then it was like, well, who wants the street right up against that beautiful open space, right? That's kind of defeating the purpose what we're trying to accomplish. But we'd be happy to look at it again. See if we can make it work. Yeah. And again, that's our recommendation. Yeah. I think it's a good idea to look at the exit that you're proposing. And it actually allows you to maybe create another playground area at the very north end of that parking area where you have the proposed. Yeah. Dead space there. Yeah. Dead space. I think there's four or six parking spots there. Yeah. You know, I guess trying to balance whether to lose those or not and whether the board would feel comfortable with that. Yeah, one of the other things that we'll continue to study is whether that's feasible with fire access because I think as we looked at a potential hammerhead location down there, I think there were some radius issues that weren't fitting in terms of the geometry. But again, we'll certainly dig deeper and see if there's other alternatives to make that fire access functional there. Hey, Eric, where's Koana Terrace? So, off the page. Yeah, it's off the page. Off the page. I did see it. So, Can we go back to the overall area? Oh, I see it. Yeah, if you look at, well, I was looking at the regular Google Maps, but it's the same issue. It's slightly offset. So, no matter which exit. C-4. Thank you. I knew I saw it somewhere. Just the attachment four plans, that is up here on C-4. Yes. The attachment plan. C-set. Yeah, I'm seeing it now. Unfortunately, the site line's not on there. Phase one. Yeah. And that shows you the more the curve and the line, the line, the site line coming out of that exit. Yeah. Page seven helps here. There you go. In terms of the context. Yeah, I have a page 13 of the, thank you, Brett, of the attachment four plan set. I think we'll show it to you. It's probably presentation phase. So. Anyway, those are my only concerns. Overall, I think the project looks really good. I don't see future issues, but it's one thing I would like you guys to consider when you come back. You got it. We'll do. Thanks, Eric. And I agree with my colleagues, the project is certainly headed in the right direction out of the gate in a concept review and looking forward to seeing it, hopefully sooner than later in a preliminary review. I see how you're staggering the projects through construction and entitlements. So I'm not going to hold my breath that it'll be right upon us here, but we desperately need the housing. And again, it's a great project. I appreciate you being constrained with the open space and the site as it is anyways. And so even making these little adjustments will be challenging, but I appreciate you looking at those. A couple of comments. One regarding the parking reduction and the tuck under parking. What we've seen in other apartment complexes where you're actually managing the facility is if you put the glazing up on the top line, you can actually peek in the garages to make sure your tenants are using it for parking, and that way you don't have people stealing each other's sites on site. And I don't think there is a whole lot of room for street parking that would make neighbors really excited that people were parking in front of their houses. So I think that as much as you can keep on site is going to benefit the project and the residents. I also think there's, you know, again back to the comments of the public, there's a bit of a conflict with the design guidelines and actually giving a breathing room to the people who own property across the street, because we want you to have the buildings on the streetscape and not parking on the streetscape. So it's a difficult balance. So I certainly appreciate the public's comments, but you're actually doing what we tell you to do in our design guidelines. Just wanted to mention that. And then the only other thing I agree with Warren that kind of taking that, you know, elongating that stairwell and having those slats is a really nice way to get ventilation in there and actually screen it a little bit. I had just two things to watch out for. One is the wood look screen, not knowing what that vertical in nature versus getting all twisted and wiggly. And then the other thing with all those breakups and stuff, you might end up with a lot of bracketing as visible, so as much as you can get concealed bracketing so that it's actually just those verticals going up versus all this breakup of brackets everywhere would be great. Again, overall very pleased with the project. Greatly appreciate the investment in the community and hope to see you back soon. Any final comments as we were listening to fellow board? Members? Any questions from the applicant? Any further dialogue that you'd like to have? Maybe I'd just say that I want to thank Adrian and Joaquin who's not here, but they were here last night at the neighborhood meeting and we take public comment seriously. So I'd already thought about the solar study and the view shed study, so we're going to do that, of course. I don't think the solar is any issue at all, but we'll certainly take a look at the view shed. It's worthy. I mean, I have a few things, but I think we'll address those as we go back. I really appreciate all the comments. I think they're all very good comments and good things. Maybe I will just say one thing on the open space preserve. While we want to, we would like to get more engagement out there with like a walkway along the edge. Boy, it's so close to those front, you know, kind of the doors back there to the buildings. We were just concerned about privacy. And so maybe the idea of though, punching through and creating that interaction, but not linear in front of the buildings is maybe, maybe a kind of a compromise, you know, get more. Yeah, it could be something kind of like islands, like a, you know, like a little ball bout. Yeah, cool out there in between the views. Like a little sitting area. Maybe it's even like raised on a little bit amount of a platform, sort of on top there. Nothing, you know, infrastructure, but just like, yeah. Originally we'd hope to put a, you know, kind of a walkway along the edge in the open space preserve that the Army Corps is not having that. Sure. Regional water quality just not happening. Yeah, I bet a lot of it. Some of it is going to be dictated by regulations that you get back with the environmental review. You have special permission to get the bridge across? Wasn't that a diplomacy, an ambassadorship to? Well, there's definitely some specifics, things they want, like the foundations can't go within that drainage, anywhere near that drainage channel. Yeah. So it's going to free span quite a ways. We haven't designed it, but it's going to free span. Cool. So it's going to be an expensive little item, but worth it for sure. I think it could be, you know, one, it's a great amenity, but two, it could be, again, that design guideline. It could be like a focal point tool. People in those houses are looking out on this cool bridge. Yeah. I want it to kind of hover out there. Yeah. I want it to make kind of like the piers. You can't really see them. Yeah. And this looks like it's hovering out there. And it sounds like you guys are committed to that, but it's great. And there's another thought. I'm just thinking about it as I wanted to say, like, yeah, like, hold on to that. Yeah. Because if, you know, like, I'm definitely, you know, like ecological background, habitat restoration, and all of that too. But like, you know, don't let people bully you. Yeah, right. All the, like, you hold on to that bridge and you can make it beautiful and ecologically sensitive as well. Yeah. We might have changed the name of the community or something. What's that? Might have changed the name of the community of the bridge. Yeah. And I think that's what Brett was saying with that, that, you know, that initial slide, you know, that's you've got the beautiful egret and the herons, like, you know, this wonderful stuff there. Totally. Don't change the name. I like it. I'm a sailor. So we always say latitude 38 around here rather than 38 north. Okay. All right. But thank you very much for all your comments. Very helpful. And appreciate your, and your appreciation to the architecture and the design and everything that these guys have worked on. Thank you. Yeah. Well done. Thank you again. Okay. Getting back to our agenda, we have board member reports. Are there any board member reports? I actually have a board report, board member report. Please, Drew, share with us. So this is kind of, I went to American Institute Architects Housing Congress end of June, I want to say, in Sacramento. And we met with the director of the State Housing and Community Development Department. And through that meeting and some of the discussion, we kind of discussed some of the issues that we're having here in Santa Rosa in terms of development, encouraging development, has development move forward, things like that. Obviously the applicant we just saw is an example of good progress in that area. But something that came up through all that discussion is the city of Long Beach developed a master EIR for their downtown. So as opposed to having developers be responsible for each individual project, the city of Long Beach developed this master EIR for 500 units of housing or whatever it was. And so then the developers or other folks who come in and just pick, hey, we're going to do 150, we're going to do 200, we're going to do 50. And so it streamlined the process for them in terms of how do they execute that kind of development at that level. I know we've addressed kind of with the new downtown update, but that was something that came out of that meeting that I thought I'd share here in this form to bring back to staff. And I thought it was kind of an interesting way to spur development because it's kind of like a one-time cost for the city as opposed to doing like six EIRs for the same area. So anyway, that is my report to share. Thank you. Any other board member reports? Okay. How about staff report? Department report. We have one. Yay. So the first thing I want to check back in with y'all on is that since the design review board meeting on June 20th and because of our our resilient city ordinance, we've been able to move several housing units through the zoning administrator. All of those projects were reviewed by the board on a concept basis. There was 80 college avenue that had 50 units. There was a supportive housing project. Dutton flats, another 41 units over on West 3rd Street and Yolanda apartments down on Yolanda in the area of the city. So that's what we're talking about for 252 units. So bravo. That works. So thank you very much for your involvement in that process. And then I want to end with a bang and not a whimper and let you know that the planning department here in Santa Rosa has been awarded the 2019 award of excellence recognition California chapter. This is huge for us. We're all very proud. Wait, I'm not done yet because the award actually represents the work that we've been doing in the department for the last 10 years. It represents aggressive economic development which was put in place during the recession. It represents the provisions of the Brazilian city section after the October 2017 fires. It talks about or it considers the accessory dwelling unit the changes we've done there and the development review and how fast we're moving with development review over the past several years. So like I said the planners are really proud of this and but we are super proud too so right back at you. So anyways that's the end of my reports. You stole all the thunder today that's excellent and congratulations to everybody in the department and I know it goes outside of the department it's the resilience of the city councils and the hard work that everyone has put into it. So way to move the needle let's keep it moving faster right. Thank you and I'll share your comments and staff. Super. Okay. With that Susie did a great job taking us through the afternoon. Thank you for leading us and I will adjourn.