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Now, Amy, who you will see on your right, is taking the position that, yes it is, Nephilim Free, who is not yet pictured, but don't worry, will get his incredibly unusually handsome mug up on screen in just a moment. He will be taking the position of no, that it is not rational or reasonable to be an anti-theist. In other words, to be a person who, well, will let Amy define it. But generally, in my experience, anti-theism meaning you think that religion is generally harmful to the world. And so, what we are going to do is, both of our guests are linked in the description. If you'd like to hear more from them, you certainly can by clicking on those links. Nephilim Free is going to go first. It's going to be a roughly 10-minute opening statement followed by Amy's 10-minute opening statement. Then, we're going to have that 50 to 60 minutes of open conversation and then Q&A. So, feel free to fire your questions into the live chat. If you tag me with at modern day debate, makes it easier for me to get every question in that list. So, without any further ado, we want to first ask and also say thank you, Nephilim Free, and Amy, it's a pleasure to have you. So first, well, that's Neph, what can people expect to find in your link in the description? Thanks for being here. Well, thanks for having me, James. I love to debate. I'm a Christian apologist. I've been doing Christian apologetics and creation apologetics for about 13 years. My YouTube channel is all about the evidence that God created the world and all the living things in it and us, of course. And the center of my focus is creationism. And I dabble, of course, also in theology and a little bit in philosophy, but the center focus of my YouTube channel is creation, how creation is true and scientifically demonstrated that evolution is not true. And so, I hope you'll come check out my channel. Anybody who's interested in that topic, please give me a subscribe click. Thanks so much, Neph. And I'm putting those links in the description box right now. So, sorry guys, I was a little bit late on that. And so, those are being put in the description box as I speak. And so, Amy, thanks so much for being here as well. If you would like to share what people can expect to find at your link as well. Sure. So, hi, my name is Amy Newman. And I run a channel which I would say is based on comedy, skepticism, philosophy. We like to talk about religion, all sorts of fun, relatable topics like we do here. Absolutely. Thanks so much, Amy, as well. And with that, we will kick it into Nephilim Free's opening statement. Thrilled and want to say thanks so much for being here. We really do appreciate all of our guests. We do see you in the live chat. Let's see. The old fun guy says, happy to catch this show. Thanks. I love your positivity. Seriously, that means a lot. We love it when people are positive and excited. So, really glad to have you here. Thanks friend. And with that, Nephilim Free, the floor is all yours. Okay. Thank you. Because of a miscommunication, misunderstanding, probably on my behalf, I didn't even know I was going to be in this debate until just over an hour ago. So, I didn't prepare anything, but that's okay. I don't need to prepare anything. I think the things that I already know is sufficient. I would say agnosticism is illogical, but anti-theism is irrational. The reason this is true is because, primarily because there's such an overwhelming amount of evidence that God does exist, that theism is the truth. And I think it's irrational to argue against, to move one's mind away from that tremendous body of evidence that theism is true. And it's even less rational, I think, to strive against it, to wish that theism was not true, to argue that theism is not true or that it's not a good thing. I think that's completely irrational. Here's some reasons why anti-theism is irrational. Firstly, that God exists. The amount of evidence, knowledge that man is accrued and possesses that demonstrate that God exists is quite overwhelming. And it comes in various lines. Science has verified that life is intelligently designed and the creation is true. Therefore, atheism is not true, evolutionism is not true, and so theism is the truth. God does exist. It comes from many lines. The scientific evidence for creation, the philosophy of science which demonstrates that the universe requires a supernatural cause, a prime mover, if you will. The fact, the evidence that the Bible is, in fact, the inspired word of God, improving itself to be a book that man by himself could not have authored. The fact that philosophy of mind demonstrates that human beings have a non-physical sentient component, a theist would call that spirit, we can also call it mind. And therefore, theism is true. Why fight against and argue against what's true? See, is it, ask yourself, is it rational to argue against that which is true? So then there's historical evidence that the Tower of Battle Affair is a real human event, if that's true, the Out of Africa story and the secular camps timeline for the history of the world is completely whack. So that demonstrates the historicity of the scripture on that matter. And then, of course, there's mountains of archaeological evidence which verify names, places, and events in the Old Testament. The accuracy of the Old Testament has been verified by numerous top-level archaeologists. So we know that the bible is real history. So then this evidence is the god of the bible is being the one that's the author of everything, the prime mover. Anti-theism, now when it comes to moral values, we can also demonstrate that objective moral values do exist and that all morality is not subjective. Subjectivity does exist in morals and human moral thinking, but objective moral values and duties do exist. That's easy enough to demonstrate. So we have plenty of evidence for the existence of God. So what would be then, if God does exist, what would be the rationale or the logic? How would it be rational to rail against the existence of God or theism in general? I can see somebody arguing against false theism, that makes sense. I would not tell you that a Hindu has the truth or a Buddhist or a Muslim. I would tell you that Christ is the truth and the Bible is the truth. But nonetheless, we know that God does exist from various lines of evidence and so to be against the God is to be, I think, in a bad position and it's just not rational. Now if theism is true and I think the evidence for that is beyond overwhelming, then I think it would be possible, it would be plausible that arguing against the existence of false gods, just as a Christian does, is a rational thing to do. But to argue that all theism is not true is essentially to argue that God doesn't exist and that evidence against that idea is overwhelming, as I've already said. So to be against the idea of theism is basically, in my mind, to be a denialist of the existence of God and to be against the moral objectiveness of God. It's someone simply wishing that God didn't exist, not wanting theism to be true because of some, for some theological reason. That's the reason, that's the reasoning behind the human heart for anti-theism is to be against the existence of God because there's something about the existence of God that doesn't sit well with someone in their heart. They have a problem with that. And so I think to have a problem with the existence of God is a ridiculous idea, since if God is true, that would be the most important thing that could possibly be true for a human being. If God exists, him having a relationship with him, knowing him, would be the most important thing that could possibly be true for any human being. How is it rational then for someone to be against that thing that would be the most important thing for them in their own personal life? You see, that makes no sense. That's like somebody saying who has a terrible injury, that it's not rational to go to hospital just because you don't like hospitals. Even though your bones are showing and you're bleeding like crazy, I'm not going to that hospital because, hey, I don't like hospitals. Does that make sense to you? Well, it doesn't make sense. And neither does the idea of being against theism if God exists. It makes no sense to be against theism, to be anti-theist. To be anti-theist is simply to follow one's heart in wishful thinking that secular humanism was the basis for all of, for the truth of our existence and everything about us. But so that's basically, in my opinion, what anti-theism is. It's a rejection of moral values, specifically Christian moral values and the teachings of Jesus Christ because someone doesn't like it. So it's not rational to be against something because you don't like it. The simple truth is anti-theism is not rational because God does exist, because of the evidence for God's existence is so overwhelming. And because if God did exist, having a relationship with him, knowing who he is and having him as a participant in your life would be the single most important and beneficial thing that could happen to a human being. And it's irrational to be against that which is possibly, which is, would be the most beneficial thing that could happen to a person. To be in a relationship with God. If that is the most beneficial thing that could possibly be for an individual, being against that is self-destructive. It's, I think, irrational nonsense. And so if there's any time left in my opening statement, I pass it off to my opponent or to the chat section of this debate. I don't think I have anything that I wish to contribute more than what I've already said at this time. Thanks so much, Nephilim Free, for that opening statement. And I want to remind you, folks, I have put both of the guest links in the description right now. They're there waiting for you. So if you've been waiting, you're like, I can't wait to click on it. It's like, it's killing me. Now you can. So with that, very excited. Amy, thrilled to have you here. Thanks so much. The floor is all yours. Well, to be here. And thank you so very much. I'll say, Neph, under a same boat, I think I knew last night, but not much sooner. But I'm so excited to be here. And let's get into the meat. So why theism is not true? And why we should oppose the concept? Today, we're talking about why we should be working in opposition to theism. Concept, we call anti-theism. But before we get into the nitty-gritty, let's get some definitions on the table. A theist is someone who believes in a God. The specific religions like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam falling under this category, as well as deistic claims of some supernatural but unprovable force. We contrast this with atheism, which comes in two flavors, weak and strong. Weak atheism or agnostic atheism merely means the lack of belief in a deity. And strong atheism or gnostic atheism, which is not only a lack of belief in a God, but an assertion that a God or gods does not exist. While technically similar, none of these words quite describe anti-theism, which puts forward the proposition that religious belief systems are more harmful than beneficial to humanity. You could, for example, be an atheist who wishes there actually was evidence for a God, or an atheist who thinks religion plays a purpose in maintaining social order. I disagree. Not only do we have no good reason to think a God exists, but additionally, we have evidence to think religion is a harmful human creation. This comes from the detrimental practices contained within many of the religious holy texts. For example, major opposition to homosexual marriage came from a largely religious base finding their reasoning in scripture, which is after we water down these religions from stoning them to death. It's also largely where the anti-scientific community comes from. Denials of concepts like the Big Bang, Age of the Earth and Evolution, all find detractors from people telling us that they are taking their holy book as the literal word of a God. Hard to imagine anything as silly as the universe being formed in six 24-hour days coming from any other source of superstition but religion, which is one of the reasons I want to stop the spread of theistic beliefs. They seem to be the most popular form of superstition in the same vein of owning a lucky rabbit's foot or believing in reincarnation. However, the most pernicious thing about religion is that these beliefs can often become physically harmful. We need only look towards the 9-11 hijackers to see what blind faith can get us. Even worse about this tragedy is that there's a chance the terrorists weren't evil insane monsters, that they instead saw themselves as righteous judges handing out a sentence to godless infidels. One day, they could have been helping an old lady cross the street and another, they were wishing death for a group of strangers they have never met, which is another evil of many of these theistic beliefs, the desire to die. And this frame of thought hasn't just affected Muslims. Many Christians, if you ask them, will tell you that we're at end times, that the destruction of the world is just around the corner, but the most sickening thought is how they seem excited for this to happen. Of course, this stems from a doctrine of blood sacrifice, the concept that we can create literal scapegoats by murdering animals in cold blood. Can we think of anything more sick and twisted than slitting an animal's throat open just so the god would not kill us? Why yes we can. Human sacrifice. The notion that a man could die in replacement for our bad deeds is downright horrific. Could we imagine switching out death row inmates for those who are innocent? I know I couldn't, and I hope neither would anyone else. Of course, we're stuck with Christianity and Islam because of Judaism, a religion which starts with a woman being made out of a rib and moves into talking snakes. It should come as a surprise to no one that half or more of Jews don't believe in the literal interpretation, which to me is funny because the people who actually wrote the story seem to view a literal theistic creationist view as both silly at best and harmful at worst. Practices like the general mutilation get passed down because it's a matter of tradition. And once again, it's hard to think of any other source for male and female general mutilation like religion. Now, I could go into how evil this god is himself, but it really doesn't make a difference. The fact that Yahweh seems to be a genocidal murderer that drowns people because he wasn't smart enough to think of a better solution doesn't actually prove he's not real. Or even that in some religions he wants to torture people forever for the crime of not believing in him. Instead, the focus is just on the actual evil practices that he endorses, like slavery, which is an abomination to mankind. And the bible was used by the Confederacy to justify those actions. I'll conclude by saying anti-vaccination, anti-blood transfusions, and a flat earth don't need to have a base in religion. However, there seems to be more than just a coincidence that these beliefs tend to be overwhelmingly from believers of religion. Thus, I am an anti-theist not merely because of my atheism, but because of the harm that comes from these superstitious beliefs. Thank you. Thanks so much, Amy. And what we are going to do is, before we jump into the open conversation, want to let you know, Amy and Neff, I'm going to send you a new Zoom link within the next minute via email, just like I sent you before, because I forgot to update our Zoom account, so we basically are going to be limited. But don't worry, what we will do in the meantime is chat. If you have any juicy questions about, I'm willing to answer some personal questions. Let's not go nuts though, okay, chat. And so, while we have this brief two-minute intermission, I will be answering questions from the chat. And in the meantime, like I said, within about 60 seconds, Neff and Free and Amy, you'll get a link via email. So thanks so much. And I'll be right back with you guys. So thanks for your patience on that. 10-4, does that sound good, Neff and Free? Okay, do what I got to. All right, just making sure you heard it. All right, chat. Whatever questions you have, I am thrilled to answer them as we have this two-minute intervention. Be right back, Amy and Neff. Chat, thanks so much. I'm still here because I'm not, my camera's not going through Zoom. By the way, just saw somebody also sign up through the Kickstarter. We do appreciate that. Somebody signed up since the start of the debate. That's encouraging. And then Dave Langer says, how do you always look so dapper? That's really kind. I think you're, I think you're full of it. But I appreciate that. You know what the funny thing is? I, the funny thing is a blazer. I'm not joking. I think for a guy, a blazer can go with jeans. It can go with khakis. It can go with so many different things. And it looks great. And so I have to recommend it, folks. If you're, and I think for ladies, it could probably look just as good. Is, I know that for me, though, as a guy, I consider what looks good for a guy. And I feel like I love blazers. I get them for like five to, between five to eight bucks at goodwill. And so I always advocate for the blazer. And then next question, pre-trib or post-trib. Haven't read enough about it, to be honest. I'm like pretty, I'm pretty on the fence. There's a ton of issues that I'm a little embarrassed to say that I haven't read enough on. That I'm, I just don't have a firm stance on. I think part of it is that, uh, let's see, it's a really challenging thing to, you know, know everything super on the deepest level. Who was your worst guest? So, I don't know who the worst one is in terms of who I liked or disliked. I can tell you one of the most difficult and one that probably thinks I'm the worst host is Darth Dawkins. So that it has to be Darth Dawkins in terms of the worst, uh, that we've had as any, you know, in terms of, uh, how they feel about me, that's for sure. But who knows, uh, for me, it's tough to know. I think that I really do like, to be honest, people like Neph and Amy, who they're, I just sent them their link. They're a pleasure because they make it easy because they're not, what's the word? I like calm debates because when I get to actually listen to the content and like sit and learn, like everybody else gets to, I really like that. And, uh, some of the debates aren't like that, obviously. I have to do a lot more work moderating. So I don't really get to soak in as much info because I'm more focused on, like, who's getting to talk enough in terms of a proportion of the time available. And is someone cutting off somebody more than somebody else? That's another thing. James W says, Did you have a soy full Christmas? You bet I did. So much soy. Nobody likes soy more than me, believe me. Pete Barube, thanks for your kind words, says you're awesome, James. That means a lot, Pete. Seriously, we do really, like the positive people, I seriously appreciate the positive people. And so it does mean a lot. Weekly fashion advice. I wish I really had something, but I'm telling you, uh, Bruce Wayne says $5 blazers. Are you serious? I'm very serious. If you go to, I find them at Goodwill mostly. I find them at all sorts of thrift shops. I'm really big on thrift shops. I just, I like the, uh, kind of making a second use of an item as well as the thrifty deals. And then tape decks is all good. Appreciate the honesty. Yes, that Zoom account is, uh, I could have sworn it was until like January. Jamie Russell, thanks for your kind words, says like and subscribe. Thanks for that. Appreciate it, Jamie Russell. And then, oh, we got Amy back out. All right. And then let's see if we got Nef back in here. Nef is back. So thanks so much, folks. Appreciate that. And okay. All right. Thanks so much for that. We have got both of our guests back. Let me just double check. You guys are in the right spots with the names. Oh, perfect. Oh, we're perfect. All right. So we'll jump into the open discussion mode. Thanks so much everybody for your questions. And thanks so much, Amy and Nef. The floor is all yours. So Amy, I expected you to straw man God in the Bible and everything just as you did, uh, declare God a moral monster and everything so you can justify your denial of him. I expected that. I knew you were going to do that. That's what every atheist does in this kind of a situation. But since there's such overwhelming evidence that God does exist, uh, really all I see is denialism of God's moral values. You rile against the existence of God and theism because you don't want God to exist. You can't demonstrate to me it's because of anything about God that indicates that God is bad or mean or that God is cruel or that you're better or a more just judge than God. If you think theism is bad, since God does exist, please explain to me how you're a wiser and more just judge than God so that you have a reason to rile against him. I mean, it's we're lucky. There's no evidence that God exists, uh, especially the Christian one. Yeah. Well, then how come there are 365 prophecies fulfilled of Jesus Christ if God doesn't exist? Can you explain to me how people can invent 365 facts about one human being that hasn't even been born yet? How is that possible? You make it fit. It's not like he fulfilled Jewish prophecy. He died, so he didn't fulfill Jewish prophecy, so he's not the Jewish prophet, so he just died. No, he fulfilled the prophecy. It's not like he resurrected from the dead. Yeah, he did resurrect from the dead. The evidence is strong for that. He didn't have a body. Don't have to have a body to know that he resurrected to have the evidence. I know he's real, then. Yeah. Don't know he existed. Well, he has to be real because you're here and you're speaking and bags of matter don't talk, do they? No, sex is why I'm here, but I didn't go back to God, though. Well, you know, you wouldn't be here if God didn't exist because you're speaking, you see. Here's the crazy problem for you, Amy. Matter doesn't think about and can't plan for the future. Molecules interact with each other when only and when they're in immediate interactive, you know, space with each other when they can contract, contact each other. Chemistry has no knowledge of the future. And the problem is, every time you speak, you demonstrate that you have forward thinking. And forward thinking requires a mind, not matter. Matter can't explain forward thinking. Therefore, the fact that you speak and have life and speak of the future and things that might take place or should take place in the future proves that you have a component that is supernatural just like God that you're riling against. All right. Well, let's get Amy putting a time to respond just because there's a lot of ideas unpacked. I just don't, I want to put, is this, is this like a linchpin? Because I think that really the debate topic is, is it harmful? And it seems like we're slowly going into is God real? Which is, I mean, I know it's a crux of it, but to me, it's like religion. Like you, if you could prove the monotheistic religious guide, I would believe in him. Like if you could prove Yahweh, I would believe in Yahweh. I would not worship him, but I believe in him. Well, the subject of the debate is not if God exists. The subject is, is atheism rational. And since God does exist, anti-theism isn't rational. And I mean, when a world forgets about God, you know, terrible things happen. Do I need to remind you that atheist mass murderers are responsible for the deaths of more human beings in the first half of the 20th century than all of the Earth's wars prior to the Second World War combined. And you're going to tell me that God was a meanie for wiping out the Canaanites, right? But, but Joseph Stalin killed a hundred times as many people as a thousand times. Do you know why they died? Do you know why they died in the Soviet Union? Do you know how they died? There was, there was starved to death by Joseph. So it wasn't like he went out of his way and just killed them. The U.S. was just dumb and they died. So it really had nothing to do with atheism. No, it was intentionally shut off all trade between Ukraine and, and, and, and, and, and agricultural centers in Russia. It was intentionally shut them down and they went at completely impoverished and starved to death. It was intentional. They took over all of the privatized farms and it turns out the government doesn't know how to farm. And so they died. But this is once again off topic because Hitler said God in smooths. He, I can't say in German, he had God believes in his belt buckle. They killed for, in the name of their beliefs. It doesn't have anything to do with Christianity or atheism. That's a history revisionism, which he just espoused. It's not history. It's not true. And Joseph Stalin had every church he could find in Russia burned to the ground in the Christian machine gun. But to me, but to be fair enough, I hate to interrupt you. But just to be sure, Amy had mentioned it. I do want to just quick jump in because we just kind of turning back to regardless of whether or not atheism is dangerous, which is an interesting topic and I'd be willing to host it. But to be fair. Yeah. Sure. Well, my point is that anti-theism rouse against all, which is good and true. And that is evil in it, in of itself. So Hitler and Mein Kampf was very clear on why he was killing the Jews. He was doing the Lord's work. He was a feast. You could call him a pagan, which is another word for a feast. No matter which you want to call. So seems like when you're putting both atheism and theism on mass murderers, it seems like just a bunch of world wars were going on. So maybe we should just talk if theism is actually beneficial for society overall. Sure. Happy to talk about that. But you've misrepresented the facts. He was a polytheist. Hitler was a polytheist. But the truth is he denied the one true God that does exist. So he was anti-theist. Go on your side. Still a God. No, he wasn't. Not an atheist. Not an atheist. Doesn't matter. He wasn't a Christian. And that's the problem. I mean, that's a no true Scotsman saying he was a Christian. There's only one true God. And if you rile against him, you're anti-theist, right? Railing against imaginary gods doesn't help. Well, I did want to point that out, is that how you're kind of like an anti-theist to all the other religions except one. So really, we could talk about like if we could gang up about why, you know, Islam didn't split, or that Muhammad didn't split the moon in half. You're like, that's crazy. How could someone split the moon in half? And I'm like, yeah, resurrected Jesus. Well, I'm not anti-theist. I'm anti-lies, anti-false goods. I'm pro-truth. That's all I hear about that. Well, here's how theism has benefited the world. Jesus Christ changed the world for the good forever. The one man who was more influential in human history than any human being that ever walked the earth, the Magna Carta is based on Christian theology. English common law was based on the Magna Carta. The English common law is what the America, the Constitution of the United States is based upon. Democracy, Western democracy and freedom, the rights of individual rights and human beings created in the image of God is the basis for modern democracy as we know it. So the fact that you can go to your microwave at two in the morning and make coffee and stand out on your porch and walk down the street at two o'clock in the morning without being arrested and frisked is you can thank Jesus Christ for that. So how is it rational to rile against that which gives you your freedoms? So my response to that is Jesus Christ has nothing to do with our freedoms. Democracy came from the Enlightenment period. It came after a period of fuel tea and monarchs. It kind of goes in a system that we're seeing where we're trying to gain more freedom. But no, Jesus Christ is not trying to give you freedom. He says worship him. I don't understand where any of this freedom comes from. But you just try to revise history again. It is true that the Magna Carta is based on Christian theology and Constitution of the United States and Western theology. Western democracy is based upon the foundational belief that human beings were created in the image of God and have innate, inalienable rights. So the freedoms that you enjoy in your Western society, now you can go to another society which doesn't espouse theism or certainly not the one true God that exists and experience all kinds of restrictions to your personal freedoms as we know exist in North Korea and China and Cambodia and lots of other places. I suppose you're happy to be living in the West and enjoy that Christian freedom that you experienced, right? I enjoy that non-Christian Western freedom that we have and the great thing about Western society is we're becoming less religious. So every year that goes by within Western society, religion goes down and the nuns go up. In fact, really, United States of America is the only vast majority Christian nation. It's where you only see like 40% of creationists. It only happens in the United States. It's an American saying creationism and these type of movements and it's a new movement. It's not like the question's even a thousand years ago. What you just said is false. Atheism is not increasing. The Pew organization and other organizations have done research that shows atheism has been on the decline since the early mid-o's. So 800 plus less atheists in the world every single day. Atheism is not on the decline. Christianity is on the decline, but theism is on the increase. There are less atheists in the world every year than there were the year before. Atheism is not increasing. The world is becoming more polytheist, more modern-day, new-agey, religious pagan, but it's not becoming more atheistic. So to comment on that, I said the western world, that I meant the western world specifically because it is during the west, but what I meant was or what I could add to that is Islam is the fasting, gross religion outside of the west, but that's a different topic. So theism is growing, you say? In third-world countries, yes. It seems like third-world countries really really need someone to attach themselves. So if we adopted, well you just contradicted yourself, but if we adopt the pagan ideas, anti-theist ideas, what would happen if the world adopted atheism and we got rid of theism? Well then every human being's opinion would be every person could claim that their beliefs, whatever they think is morally correct or incorrect, is a sovereign idea and you have no right to infringe upon them and we know what happens to cultures when they give up theism, when they give up godliness, then they're full of all manner of wickedness and that's what's happening in the world. The world is becoming more and more wicked and so what you're really riling against God is really wishing for a pagan world which rejects God and follows after the inklings of man's heart and human history proves what man does with his heart to people and to the world doesn't it? Look at the second world war and the filthy murderers that existed then. So yeah, we're becoming a more moral world. You can find out more about this and Stephen Pinker's Better Angels of Our Nature. This is actually the best time period of all time periods in human history to live of the most violence, most war, most genocide, all sorts of fun stuff that we're trying to get rid of is actually on the decline. So I don't know what you mean and I don't have a pagan worldview. Once again, a pagan worldview is theist. I know that you want to be like atheists and pagans bloop but no, theism. They are theists. They believe in gods and they may even be maybe they're Odin. Maybe they believe in one god. Well maybe it had me, I should explain something to you. I don't believe there is such a thing as an atheist, Amy. This is the thing. I believe every human being in the world knows that God exists. They bury that in unrighteousness just as the scripture says. They hide that because as the scripture says, they like the darkness more than the light. But I'll just tell you that the world is becoming less moral, not better, not more moral. And that's why things that were shocking to people 55 years ago are today being considered norm. Now if you want to say that the things, the practices of human secularism that they are better and morally better than theism, I would challenge you to make a case for that. Good luck with that. Yeah. I mean, I don't even know how you get moral systems out of theism. I understand that you believe you can only get morality and we're going, once again, going off topic, but I'll take it back if we'll get somewhere like slavery. I don't understand how you can have moral objectivity with theism. I believe in objective morality. I believe that it's grounded in biology. How do you get there from this God says it? Okay, so that's an error because biology deals with what's beneficial and not beneficial, not what's what's what's true and not true, not with what's moral or immoral. Evolutionism and philosophical materialism don't provide a basis for morality. I'm sorry to inform you, but even Thomas Huxley, the famous bulldog of Charles Darwin, he acknowledged that he can't figure out a way to get moral thinking out of evolution and he was a pro evolutionist much more than you. I don't know what there's no such thing as like pro evolution, but so can I ask, can you give me a moral conundrum that doesn't deal with biology? Anything, anything, morality doesn't deal with biology. Just giving one thing. Yeah, all of it. Yeah, so no. Morality is not based in biology. Biology is what happens chemically. Chemistry doesn't explain moral objective values and duties. That's an absurd thing to believe. So if we don't have sexual organs, it takes rape off the game field. You can't have sexual morality. If you don't can't have those choices because it can't occur. So it doesn't even get us on the field. That's easy. The existence of sexual reproduction or genitalia doesn't by itself follow that immorality is true. I mean, that makes no sense whatsoever. You know, a gun is not an immoral thing. It can be used immorally. Same thing with our genitalia. Just because they exist in sexual reproduction exist doesn't mean it's inherently evil. It's how it's used. I mean, come on, come on. I'm saying let's pretend genitals don't exist. Can rape happen? That doesn't mean your mistake here is thinking because genitalia exists, morality, that it's something. Not about genitals. I use that as an example. I'm using that as one example. That's an irrational conclusion. That doesn't follow logically. I'm sorry. I want to give Amy a chance to respond. But after that, I do think there was one topic that Amy brought up that was super interesting and that I'm like, ooh, that'd be fun to kind of explore, which is the alleged, I mean, some of them seem to be for sure false predictions on the end of the world occurring and potential problems that might come from that. So I want to give Amy a chance to respond, but I only bring this up not to gang up on you enough, but because Amy brought it up before. And it's so interesting. I think the audience would love to hear both of you explore it. And I really want to know now, because this is one of the reasons that I think I find disgusting enthusiasm is this desire to die and this desire for the apocalypse to happen. What is your feelings on the end of the world? Well, I don't have a desire to die. So this is a misrepresentation of Christian theology, this ridiculous idea that Christians are all looking forward to death that we can't wait to die. Christians find research shows, numerous examples of research show that theism provides, especially Christian theism provides healthier lifestyle, more meaning in life, a lower suicide rate. Atheists, by the way, have the highest suicide rate of any individual genre of human beings. Atheists have the highest rate of suicide. Can I cut you off really quick? So theism provides a health benefits for people mentally and physically. So what you said doesn't follow. And so failed end of the world predictions. Well, that's just people make mistakes. People of all genres make mistakes. Atheists are not immune to making mistakes. That doesn't mean theism. It follows that theism is evil in some way. I'm not saying that it wasn't evil. And you kind of just try to push it in the direction of you can get a healthy lifestyle from it. But do you think the world is going to end in your lifetime? No. No. Okay. I don't. I mean, I could be wrong, but that I actually find that surprising. So I'll take it because I find the money questions. They think that coming in their lifetime. You know, I personally think that Christ is not returning somewhere between 100 and three or 400 years from now. I don't I don't think it's right around the corner because there are things stated in the book of Revelation that have to come to pass before Christ returns. And I think we're some time before those things come to be. So no, I don't believe that the end of the world is right around the corner. But, but, you know, to be against theism, I think is to be against all that has been demonstrated to be good and true. And if you take God out of the picture, you're left with the darkness of the human heart. And we've seen what the darkness of the human heart comes about. You get people like Jeffrey Dahmer and such. And without moral thinking, I just don't find how you can find theism to anti theism to be against that, which is good and true to be a rational thing. That's irrational to me because my position, we do not need theism to be decent moral people. We can do this all on ourselves. And not only can we do this on ourselves, but a lot of times I feel like theists give credit to their God when they themselves did the work, like they did do all this charity and they're like God works in mysterious ways. It's like, no, you work in actual ways. Well, if people didn't have the moral thinking that God imparted to their spirits, there would be no such thing as charity. I think human history demonstrates the evil of man's heart. Look at all the wars and greed and selfishness. I mean, when is the last time, Amy, that you fed a child in Africa so they didn't fall over dead? Are you giving it enough to charity? No, feed a kid in Africa? No. But the times in which I have asked someone who was starving to, if I could feed them, definitely at least once this year. Yeah. Well, you didn't get that from biology because biology deals with what's, no, you didn't because biology deals with what's beneficial and not beneficial. It deals with chemical interactions. It doesn't deal with what's morally right or wrong. Well, let's take that claim. It's a different category. Let's see if we can find biology in here. Let's see. So we're spending a little bit of our money, a little bit of denture metal. We're then getting them a food source, really, almost in my view, the meaning of life. You are keeping them to have homo stasis for this much longer. You're keeping them out of pain. I don't even understand where they're gone. It's just one biological thing to another trying to help another biological organism out. Amy, here's your mistake. That's just pointing out that biology can be assisted in some way by moral thinking. You're not pointing out that biology is the basis for moral thinking, which it cannot be. It grounds it. All of our questions are grounded in it. Is it true that biology deals with what's beneficial and not beneficial? Is that true? It deals with beneficial or not beneficial to the organism. That's true. But it's not just like it's not like solo, like my biology, it's my biology and someone else's biology. So if I cut someone's head off because I could get their coin purse, I am not being, that is not moral. You have killed them and taken something for your own biological gain and ended their violence. I don't even see where anything non-supernatural comes in. Well, here's the mistake you made. You leaped from biology deals with what's beneficial and not beneficial. Morality deals with what ought not to be. Chemistry, which is biology, has nothing to do with what ought or ought not be. It only has to do with molecules being in immediate proximity to other molecules. It has nothing to do with what molecules don't care about what ought or ought not be. Morality deals with what ought to be or ought not to be. Chemistry has nothing to say about that. Incorrect. There's a basis for morality in biology. I'll give you an example. I can criticize female genital mutilation because it's biological harmful. I'm not going to sit here and be like, oh, moral realism. Maybe they just have their thing. We have our thing. Who's are to say that we're just imposing our Western customs? No, you are harming people. We have evidence, biological evidence of this, and you should stop doing it, not you or the people. Again, you're not pointing out the basis for moral thinking is found in chemistry. Can you explain to me how chemistry tells us what ought to or ought not to be? How chemistry, well, chemistry is like one down from biology. Biology is chemistry. Yes, but it's a specific type of chemistry. It's organic compounds. It's life. It's still chemistry. It's just chemicals of a particular type. How does chemistry produce that which ought to be or not be? Because we are made of chemistry and our brains have this operating system. That's a non-secretary. I'm going to give Amy a chance to respond after you claim that it was a non-secretary. What I do also want to do then is redirect as I want to go back to maybe those more core issues. Okay. Try and think. I know I had one suicide because suicide has really nothing to do with dating. We have a suicide problem in this country with, for whatever reason, young white males seem to have the highest proponent of it, but that means that we need to find, we need to reach out to them. I know it sounds funny, we need to reach out to white males, but we should be, if there seems to be something there that is doing it. I don't think it's Christianity because so much of our country is Christian and we have a problem with suicide. So railing against God in his moral values is really what anti-theism is. That's all you're doing. You're saying, I reject God's moral values, specifically the Christian God. Atheists always target the Christian God more than anything, and I think they're telling, but yeah, it's true that atheism is a negative. And theology provides a better state of health. The Mayo Clinic just reported in 2001 a study. Dr. Paul Mueller reported a study, the Iona Institute, Professor Patricia Casey, Professor Michael E. McCullough, and the University of Warwick provided two studies. These studies and others demonstrate that Christians have a better outlook on life, better health, and better mental stability than non-Christians and non-theists, especially atheists, because theism provides them with something to ground themselves in that's meaningful and gives meaning to their life. What you're railing for is that we give all that up for the darkness, and you call that beneficial. Well, I would say if you think you're living after death, I think there's a if you think the ride doesn't end, there's a lot to be not sad about, but I don't think that the really the truth that matters, it doesn't matter if it's beneficial unless you're making an argument for it not being true and just beneficial, which I think an atheist could have made the argument for, that's why not all atheists are anti-theists, is that there are some atheists out there that I think it's actually condescending. I think what they're saying is basically those little people need religion. Well, here's how I think I've already demonstrated that anti-theism is not rational. Firstly, it rails against the existence of God. It rails against the truth that the Christianity specifically grounds a human being in not only in good moral values, but also in meaning for their life and provides health benefits. It rails against the fact that modern western democracy and freedoms are based on the idea that human beings have an inalienable rights given to them because they were created in the image of God. Believe that or not, Europeans feel the same way about it, at least they did until secular humanism began to decay their cultures dramatically. It rails against the truth that life was created and it argues that we're just soulless bags of matter which is like telling a small child, you're just stardust and that's all you'll ever be in your life has no meaning in the end. I want to give Amy a chance to respond with plenty of time because that's a lot of ideas to unpack. Well, go ahead Amy, I don't want to interrupt. Oh no, I almost interrupted you trying to get me off interrupting. What were you going to say? I was going to mention, I don't know if I interpreted it the way that you were intending Amy, but there's an idea that Amy brought up earlier which is that America as a whole and it wasn't stated but Erica or I should say America being a more Christian nation than a lot of these other western nations that maybe don't have as high of a suicide problem. I wasn't sure if that was the argument being made by Amy though it is one that if we get to discuss it interesting but nonetheless I'll give it back to you Amy. Yeah, I would say I mean I tie that suicide problem with the school shooting problem which I don't think is actually a gun issue. I think we have this kind of an anger issue that we've got to pass on to our children and they're pushing this all outwards but I think that it's why do you think America, why in this, the most religious western nation do we have, well a lot of the other western nations, we have suicide, more crime, more poverty, more in prison. Wouldn't you expect the opposite if, wouldn't you expect the Christian country under your model to? Yeah, well cultures outside of Christian, they don't are rooted in Christian moral values, have less, those nations have less tolerance for people and less freedoms for those people and therefore there's a greater, there's a lack of freedom on those people and since they're intolerant this provides a basis for fear of people going against the law because the sentencing is harsher, that's that's easily answered for. It doesn't demonstrate the anything about Christian theology being wrong, especially since you enjoy the freedoms that you do because of Jesus Christ largely. So I mean what is rational about believing that man should give up theism and seek after his own heart when we have seen that human history has demonstrated that when man follows his own heart greed and evil of all manner arise in the world. Simply put from my view it's a superstition and we should fight against superstitions and like I said in the beginning it seems to be the most popular, prevalent superstition that humans hold right now and I just want to make two points. One, I think we have a lot of freedom in this country but it does kind of, I think it's silly to shit on the other western countries and be like the reason they're not suicidal, the reason they're not shooting each other and all this shit is because they don't have less freedom. If you were to pick up and go to France, if you were to pick up and go to anywhere in the UK you would still have the majority of freedoms that you enjoy in western society and they all seem to be trending towards atheism. But they're not, I've already explained, atheism has been on the declines since the mid-o's. It's just a myth, the atheists pass around, atheism is growing and theism is dying in the world, that's simply not true. Polypaganism and polytheism are on the rise, not Christianity. When you say polytheism, do you mean like Islam? Do you consider that? No, Islam is not polytheist, not now. I know that but they seem to be the one gaining ground, so I don't know where this Pagan religion, like New Age, isn't that popular? It's not so popular that it's the number one. I didn't say it's number one. I just say it's growing. While monotheism is in the decline, polytheism, Pagan religions like multi-god religions or that God is unknown and unknowable, but he's out there, he's not the God of the Bible, he's not the God. What's really rising in the world is this oneness sort of an idea, that the God of the Bible is the same God as the God of the Hindus, as the ancient Greeks, as the ancient Egyptians, as the Muslims, and he puts on different masks to pretend he's the God of the Jews over here. Now to the Egyptians, he wore this raw mask. And to the ancient Greeks, he wore this Zeus mask or chaos mask. See, that's the kind of thinking the world is moving towards right now. And giving up the individual gods for this oneness idea, even the Christian God is claimed to be one of the many faces of this imaginary God. That's what's rising in the world today. What that sounds to me is they're just liberalizing, which is what's going to happen. The longer that we have the internet, you're going to see people to continue to liberalize and to continue to relieve religion. I just want to make another comment on something you made, because I feel like you tried to make it sound non-fantastical, but it's almost impossible. You're like, how can you tell children that you're just stardust, which is never what happens. We're like, you're stardust. Is that not fucking awesome? And somehow you have to, they reinterpret this as just, oh, well, we came, you're not only stardust, but you crawled out of the swamp. And that's how it's like, no, that is the, then why can't the natural processes by which we came about be amazing? Why can't that just be enough? Why can't one, the single life, why does it have to be all this extra nonsense? It's not that it can't be. It's just that it isn't. It simply isn't the truth. Those are myths. Evolution is a 19th century myth born in a day when man knew nothing about biology. Atheism is a myth that God doesn't exist. Do you agree? These are myths you're talking about, not anything grounded in reality. It's a delusion, a delusional, self-delusional myth. I don't want to go too far down evolution, but you have to agree that you are against the scientific consensus and what we currently know of as the backbone of modern biology. Yeah, and those that rail to get against. Forgive me for interrupting enough. I'm so sorry about that. I'll give you a chance to respond, I promise. Do you want to let you both know we'll go into Q&A in about five to six minutes? Okay. So in those that railed against Adolf Hitler, they were met with the bullet from a Luger. You're not really making any valid points here. I think it's obvious that anti-theism is irrational because it's denial of so much knowledge that we have accrued, so much evidence that God exists, that God created the world, and that the beauty, interdependence, complexity, the marvelous design, the meaningfulness of human life, all these things are grounded in theological things, not biological things. So what you're actually telling us the world to do is to go on teaching children to believe God doesn't exist in their product of pond scum, and this will remove from the child's mind if you're allowed to, the meaningfulness of their life, and that person will grow up believing that they have less meaning in their life, and so they'll have less respect for other people's lives too. I think that's damaging. I think that's terribly hurtful thing to happen, and this is exactly what you're striving for. I think that's terrible. And it's one of the reasons why disliked theism. So your main proponent against evolution is because you believe in the literal six-day God, but there's no evidence for a literal six-day God. That's not true. I became a young earth creationist because of science, not because of the Bible, because I studied the science. There's no science that supports that. So you go against everything. Everything in science supports it. You know how I know that that's a bullshit thing? You go and make claims like everything, nothing, everything. Sure, everything. Okay, can you name one thing? Sure. The existence of information linguistics, algorithms, aboutness, the process of intending and attending, intentionality, the knowledge that of unconfessed lies, all these things are non-physical fundum and many more non-physical fundamental entities which are not grounded in materialism. Material processes can't produce that which is non-physical. Those things are non-physical. Therefore, the philosophical materialism, the atheism is not true, and if that's true, then God exists. So your whole worldview just melted. I didn't hear any evidence very gone about that, but he invented more assertions and disagreements with the scientific community. This might be a good time to go into the Q&A, so do want to transition over and remind everybody that the links of our guests are in the description waiting for you, so thanks for your patience as those are now in the description toward you. You can click on them right this moment. I want to say a couple of things in terms of thank yous. Thanks so much for your question kicking this off from Brian Stevens says, can Nephilim-Free give one moral good that is only possible through theism? Kind of like the old Hitchens argument. You there, Neph? Nephilim-Free? Neph, you go. Wait one sec. Neph, can you hear me? Oh no, they got him. Okay, let's see. Shut it down. Neph, what we're going to do. Oh, there we go. I'm sorry, I have this technical issue. I'm sorry. Could you please repeat the question? I'm so sorry. No problem. That's all right. What we're actually going to do is, because as I had mentioned earlier, very embarrassing, I forgot to renew the Zoom account. So we basically, or you got two minutes left on this one. What I'm going to do is send you a link and we'll have our final 40 minutes on that meeting. So Nephilim-Free and Amy, if you can check your email, we'll do the exact thing that we just did about 40 minutes ago. And so in the meantime, folks, feel free to ask me any questions, any juicy questions. Let's not go nuts though, okay? All right, so give me a sec. I will see you in a second, Amy and Neph. And thanks so much. Brian, I promise we'll get right back to your question to Brian Stevens. We appreciate that. And then we will jump into the others as well. So we appreciate it. And sending that link over to Amy and Neph. And then I'm going to peek into the live chat to see what kind of sick and juicy questions you have. So do appreciate your patience, folks. It's a slightly off track with the holidays, but it's been a good time. I hope that you guys have had a good time. Hopefully, whether you celebrate Christmas or not, we do hope that you have had a great ending to your week as it's been for us. For me, I can say it's been a restful one, which has been super. It's been a blessing. It's been terrific. And so I'm really thankful for that. And I am sending that link over to Amy and Neph. And so let's see. A lot more talk of soy. You guys are really into this soy stuff. Let's see. Padme the cat says, if you were a hot dog, would you eat yourself? Only if I had mustard. I'm a big mustard person, not ketchup, for real. It's like the only thing that I don't, the only food that I'm not really into and that I'll actually ask like, please don't put that on my food. And let's see. Soy Collection Agent says, will you be able to make that payment today to keep getting your soy? Yeah, I have so many soy products on order that I've been behind in those payments as well. But no, I don't really. I don't have anything against soy, but it's not like my thing. Though I, well, I mean maybe it is a little bit. But Space says, oldie but a goodie, could you ask Neph if he could explain the difference between evidence and claims? I will add that to the Q&A. Thanks so much for that question. And then let's see. Weekly fashion advice. I'm the last person you want to get fashion advice from. Although I would say, I'm telling you, thrift stores, I'm serious. If you don't go to thrift stores for your, your like good clothing, like dress clothes, like blazers and stuff, oh, it's tremendous deals. Let's see. Jungle jargon says, did you not answer my question one time? It's true. I think the last one, I missed your question. Sorry about that jungle. Let's see. Mugorago, Mugorag says, do you ever go crazy having to stay neutral? I for sure would put your rock solid. There's really kind of you. I don't know. I hope I'm neutral. I always wonder. I mean, we, to, to try to, I always try to like, well, we strive to be our most neutral. Hopefully we are. But I'm sure in some ways we're, you know, we could maybe have some ways we can improve. But let's see. It's possible. You know, I don't know. I always want to be open to it and never think that we're not immune to it. I think that's the trick. And let's see. We've got you guys back. So thanks for that question though, Brian. I'll try to cover the rest of your questions, folks. Brian said, for Neff, can Nephilim pre-give one moral good that is only possible through theism? Yeah, all of them. Because if atheism were true, then philosophical materialism is true. And philosophical materialism has, morality has no basis in chemistry. Gotcha. Next, want to say thanks so much for your question as well. Language and programming has been throwing down some lightning bolts tonight. We really do appreciate that. It says, any, why is anti-theism rational when many religious traditions, such as Taoism and Hinduism, et cetera, and scholars such as Jung, Evola, Eliade, I should know this, but I don't, offer great wisdom. I'll agree Christianity in Islam is harmful though. Amy, what are your thoughts? They're saying like, why with the broad brush strokes? So I will say that it's not that you can't get anything positive from religion. Obviously, they're getting community. They're getting structure. It's talking about the net overall. I think that it does more harm. And I think because it's a superstitious belief, you may just have that superstitious belief. It may just be your religious and you have nothing else. But the moment that we give ourselves permission to accept even a single one, it means that we have disallowed ourselves to criticize anyone else. How could we, when we ourselves have that un-falsifyable belief? Thanks so much. We must move to the next one. Thanks for your question. This one comes in from Blue Heron who says, naffy or at Nephilim free, what is worse, a dishonest younger creationist or a Christian who believes in evolution? The question is moot since it presupposes there is no correct answer. It's a loaded question designed to provide the author of the question presumes that the answer is going to be a failure regardless of how the question is asked. And so loaded questions demonstrate a weakness on the behalf of the asker. Next, Dave Dallafior. Thanks for your question says congrats and thanks James for all you do. Thank you for your kind words Dave. Seriously, it doesn't mean a lot. It's really encouraging. And we love the positive people. Thank you guys so much. We have a ton of positive people in the chat. I appreciate you so much everybody. Seriously, I am like blown away by everybody's support and kindness in the chat. Seriously, it's encouraging. I feel like we're trying to we're trying to shape the culture to make it more and more positive and I'm seeing it happen. You know, it used to be, it's still kind of a war zone in the chat, but still also becoming kind of a love zone. So appreciate that. SmokySaint says, for Neph, why do you defend Christianity when you aren't a Christian but a Gnostic heretical fraud denying personhood of the Trinity? Hmm. Well, since I espouse Christianity constantly and just in the last month or two, I have explained that I believe God is Father, Son, Holy Spirit, perhaps 100 or 200 times and obviously therefore believe in the Trinity. It seems to me that SmokySaint is just being intentionally vile towards other Christians. Next, C4. Thanks for your question says God doesn't exist. Debate over. It was just BS made up to make people behave a certain way. Neph, I'm free. Are you persuaded? No. Okay, I thought you'd have more than that to say, but it's all right. Okay. So Inguay Himawari, thank you for your kind super chat says Amy, what would you say to a devout teenage theist who was bright, kindhearted and a top student? Would you mock and denounce their worldview? It's a time and place for everything. I mean, no, it's a great member of society than fantastic. I call them my theist brothers and sisters for a reason. But you know, if you're coming into debate, if you're coming in to convince someone, you got to have the thick enough skin to be offended. But I'm not seeking them out. I'm not going door to door. I'm not going into a church and being like, did you guys know I shouldn't believe? I don't wonder. I'm not trying to make people feel bad. That's not my goal. Gotcha. And I want to remind people in the chat to keep your arguments aimed at the arguments or your critiques or your scathing criticism. Save it for the arguments. And we don't want it directed at people. The personal harassment we're not going for that, folks. It's not going to fly. So thanks for your super chat. This one comes in from Taliesin Oberlander says, I guess ancient Athens didn't have democracy. I think they're being sarcastic. Yeah, you said we get democracy from Christianity, but there was democracy before Christianity. Well, democracy of what sort, first of all, not democracy, which truly valued the individual's freedoms, I don't think, and modern and 20th, that kind of democracy is democracy is a rarity in the world. Modern democracies, in fact, based, came out of an era that preceded it. And when that that era was ruled by kings and dictators. So the theism, the Christian theology is the basis for modern democracy, resurgence in democracy, and the rejection of a king ruling or dictators ruling and human beings have a say in their own society. Next, Chris Keith says Jesus saves. Thanks for your super chat, Chris Keith. And Gurmania says question for Neff. Would God have any stone to death if we were under the Old Testament laws? No, because God didn't dictate the stoning people of her lifestyle was what is was a practice that human beings are to participate in for all time. It was a result of God telling the Hebrews not to have those lifestyles repeatedly over a period of centuries and when they refused to to put an end to that, he put his foot down and and enabled a harsh law for that period of for that time. It's never it's not a commandment by God at any time anywhere in the Bible to stone anybody any time throughout history ever. It's it's it's a harsh action that God took at a particular time in history when the Hebrews and their theology their religion were under harsh attack from outside of Israel and survival of Israel and the coming Messiah and the written scriptures were were were was it was at a peak and God had to do something to put an end to these things so that the Hebrews and their scriptures would survive and man would have a knowledge of his one true savior. Language and programming. Thanks for your question says Neff. How do you deal with the fact that you worship Satan? Second Samuel 24-1 and first Chronicles 21-1 are parallel verses identifying Yahweh with Satan. Let's say they haven't uh they they have in a clue what they're talking about. Next okay like language and programming says Neff. How is biological change over time or evolution a myth? Micro evolution or sorry macro evolution is just the law of induction a la Francis Bacon in the Novum Organum. There's zero evidence for macro evolution and the types of changes organisms experience which are deemed micro evolution can't accrue to because macro evolutionary change there's no biological mechanism nor example known of macro evolution either past or present not present in the fossils nor is it observed and we don't find it in the body plans of any of the species locked living on the earth today had macro evolution been true there would be an abundance of evidence for it past and present and there would be unknown genetic mechanism for it but there is not. Gotcha let's see thanks for your question this one comes in from Vance Lancet thank you very much for your question it's Vash sorry Vash it's Vash Lancet thanks for your question Vash says Neff got Mithun's or God with us in parentheses was a phrase for the you shouldn't say it the NAZIS uh knowing that what knowing that would you respond with that wouldn't fit the no true Scotsman fallacy okay well fallacies aside I'm less concerned whether you can model a fallacy after something that's true or not people can do that uh the truth is there was uh the Nazis Nazi ideology is clearly in denial of Christian moral values and was definitely non-Christian and my my point is when you move away from the truth that there is but one God then all manner of evil is possible regardless of whether you're a theist or not if there is only one God then any espousing of any God in support for any other God is a fake God it's no more valid than atheism. Gotcha and thanks for your question this one comes in from Mitchell says question for Amy if oblivion created the matter in which we currently reside what mechanism created the mechanism to create oblivion? You say oblivion and I would say really all we can do is go back to the furthest and the big bang where it's not actually oblivion technically everything in a single point but there's no space for the point to there's nothing you can't do anything because there's no space and time and so if the question is what came before the big bang what came before we know any of this stuff I have no idea I don't even know if that's a valid question all I can tell you as the furthest back that I can I can get you is to the plank time and the closest I can get you to human origins is things like Miller Urie experiments and the things we're looking on a little bit different but how far back you want to go. Thanks so much and Graham Zegers says he did not answer the question we want one moral good that can only come from religion nephilim free do not want the answer all of them he cannot give it. Well that's demanding that the answer has to be in accordance to what you say the answer is what the answer is regardless of what your desire for it to be is morality is not rooted in chemistry it's rooted in in theism and the truth that humans are morally immoral agents and the existence of the supernatural which demonstrates the philosophical materialism of atheism is false and of course that morality has no basis in chemistry it's irrational irrational to breathe the chemistry can produce that which ought to be or ought not to be it's not even a plausible idea. You said the super chat in in the debate that you're actually debating and that's funny I like your originality that's uh I've never seen that done before animated effigy but yes nephilim free there are a lot of aftershows we got nephilim free says open mic after show on my channel oh snap is this are you doing this to duel with smoky because smoky oh like smoky is all there isn't a chat there is smoky put into the chat I just don't know of any aftershows that I would want to participate in that anybody has advertised so I thought I told one myself oh my goodness the smoky is listening he's right here he's listening okay well all right next up smoky and neph folks I would encourage you you know you can always have more than one window open you can be at both smoky and neph's channel uh as well as you know I'm I'm a I'm a Christian a fundamentalist Christian and I I believe in the Trinity and smoky calls me a a heretical satanist for crying out loud why in the world would a Christian want to go to a channel like that next up okay so okay this is a sort of animated effigy says morality came about through evolution cooperation is more beneficial to survival than not neuroscientists even found where in the brain it happens morality is not outside of us and needs no language neph uh that's completely false uh papers published in the uh uh journal of uh neuroscience I can't remember the name of the journal uh in a neurology journal then have explained uh that a couple of things that have been discovered by modern science and that is that uh the uh the the problem is that there is no part of the human brain that packages our subjective experience to be as a movie that we live through uh this is these are called uh I I can't remember the names of the problems but uh therefore it's the brain is not therefore the scientific evidence shows the brain is not the cause of our collective our our our cognitive experience it's maybe a conduit for it but it's it's not the the cause of it uh and I wish I could cite the name of the papers one of them is called the neural binding problem and the other is called the visual binding problem and they create a a tremendous problem for the philosophical materialism vatious the evolutionism because they demonstrate that uh the chemistry of our physical brain is not the producer of our cognitive existence next up thank you very much irresistible truth says Amy you argued theism is wrong because of mass killing yet what pole pot Stalin Lenin Mao etc have murdered 250 million people in the 1900s I would say it was more a response and my point was that was to negate the opposite and to make to to show that neither claim has to do with atheism and atheism bad people can do bad things whether you're a Christian whether you're an atheist and seemingly more more often it doesn't have to do with religion I think it is more often religion than not which is why I'm an anti-theist thank you very much next up we have nephilim free his own super chat says open mic after show on my channel well conveniently that's linked in the description so I highly encourage you folks you might even be able to go into each after show and and debate both of the guest the uh hosts so thank you for your uh super chat Graham zegers said c cannot provide one moral good they're talking about you neph namely one moral good that can be done only by a religious person debate one sec one sec it's a debate over he knows refutes his claim that morals only come from god i've addressed that problem already that's that's a really ridiculous assertion since again chemistry doesn't deal with what order ought not to be it deals with is a molecule the intermediate proximity with another matter material interactions don't deal at all with the category of morality then because what ought to be or ought not to be has nothing to do with chemistry gotcha and thank you so much for your question this one comes in from top dog shattuck says for neph what would be different in your life if you discovered that your god was just a fictional character that that question is moot also because it presumes that the uh antithesis to my views is possible gotcha and hate love nothing says question does amy realize what sets the god of the bible apart from other gods please ask if this individual understands the cultural differences i mean sure i would say lay christianity or mainstream christianity is about the son of god coming down and being sacrificed for the the sins of their fathers uh i mean i i think uh the atheist loves seeing the differences in all the different religions because i mean for better or for worse we kind of use them against you i mean we use it with the the claims of why islam is silly against you know or why the muslims think christianity is silly against the christians who think islam's silly and why jews think christian you know goes in like a circle but yes i feel like i have a decent grasp of uh the basic tenets of christianity or at least what neph is trying to um approve assert or what in his words he knows is true that i disagree but yeah gotcha and thank you so much appreciate your question language and programming says neph why do you believe in the trinity when it was made up by the catholic church in early christians taught adoptionism slash nosticism well that statement is completely false we find the trinity in the first three lines of the bible in the beginning god you could say that's the father created the heavens and the earth and the earth was boring without forming darkness was upon the face of the deep and the next line in the bible is and the spirit of god moved upon the face of the waters that would be the holy spirit and the third line of the bible is and god said let there be light and jesus christ said i am the light of the world so long as i am in the world i am the light of the world and jesus christ is the light uh men reject the light and book and darkness the illusions to light and dark being goodness being of the light and god are profound in the new testament and teachings of jesus christ so in the first three lines of scripture we have the trinity in the very first three lines gotcha and next question thank you very much this one comes from the language and programming as well says how is reincarnation a quote supernatural belief water never is destroyed it just changes form and location even we are 97 water thanks i think that's addressed to me i would say that it's a superstitious belief because i i i'm more positive than not that i know what consciousness is that it's a mechanism of our brain so that we could walk on the macroscopic landscape i'm very very very skeptical ask yourself what does your body get out of this what does your body get out of going to heaven what does your body get out of getting getting reincarnated if the answer is nothing then it's then i see no reason for it to exist and i see it leaning more in lucky rabbits but we prove it and i'll believe it gotcha thanks for your question i'm sorry wilson says for ness as a christian wouldn't he be anti-theist towards anything non-christian i i don't think that follows because since i'm on i'm a theist obviously how my anti-theist this anti-theism isn't an idea that someone is against a particular god it's it's the idea that someone is against the existence of god if one of them exists and that's all there is necessary for somebody to be a theist then it doesn't follow logically that not believing in fake false gods makes anyone anti-theist in some way gotcha thanks so much and smoky saint your best buddy nephilim free says for neph what word is better than person describe the members of the trinity uh scripture doesn't use them so there's no no necessary no necessity for us to have one um and asking which word is is better than person it's like asking um you know uh which which tool is better for turning uh uh uh uh oh i don't know it just doesn't follow that uh that we are somehow required to use the term person to describe the members of the trinity since scripture doesn't make that requirement of us we don't there's no requirement for us to do so and to say someone is anti non non uh a trinitarian because they don't follow the christian christian Nazism of demanding that somebody use a term to describe the members of the trinity that the scriptures don't i think it's just a a bad idea gotcha and we are going to wrap up folks i know that with that i do want to mention a few things though that are important for you to know one is that we will have our zoom or skype updated by tomorrow so that we won't have those intermissions though i've enjoyed those like getting to hear from you in the chat and getting to interact with you is honestly a blast so thanks everybody for hanging out and your positivity we will be back with a post credit scene in just a moment so do want to let you know stick around we'll explain that photo during that post credit scene as you see my boys t jump and steven steen and i putting on a car wash very important stuff we'll explain more about that in a second but do want to give you a quick reminder all of our guests are linked to the description so nephilim free and amy have their links waiting in the description for you if you'd like to hear more as mentioned nephilim free is having an after show and his twin mean his behavior you know okay well well well well i don't have so i hate to interrupt you it's just that uh yes they are both having after shows smoky and nephilim free and so i'm sorry wilson sends in a last-minute super chat says belief in as a as a thought is equal to belief in jojoba as rock is from water work as a thought it's got a t it's got two t h's as a thought gotcha and let's see uh let's see oh we've got space says hey hey dude come on get this question in they are persistent we're going to squeeze this in really quick before the zoom uh closes on us says for neph given that you're a young earth or do you also believe in the firmament or flat earth uh the term firmament in the scripture doesn't return doesn't refer to a domed sky uh encasing a flat earth uh that's that's not what the scriptures mean by uh firmament firmament is an expanse between the solid material of the earth and uh the heavens uh outer space that's what the firmament is so the question is in error that's yeah as mentioned folks we will be right back with that post credit scene it's going to be epic i'm excited you guys i'm so encouraged and excited news to share with you so be right back and thanks so much though one last time to our guests neph and amy thank you james it's my pleasure too i've enjoyed it ladies and gentlemen really pumped i am so excited i'm so encouraged so let me tell you about this you guys we just crossed a huge threshold the other day so for this epic kickstarter event that we are doing the other day we crossed over the 50 percent barrier in our kickstarter fundraising effort which was huge because it's like wow this is epic we are we're gonna make it we are absolutely going to make it folks i am pumped for it and also though really cool stuff to mention along with that is today we just basically got up to the 59 percent so we're like we're up to another 10 percentage points i seriously believe there's there's going to be continuing interest and growth in this event with michael schermer and mike jones and it's going to we're baby we're going to crush this goal and as mentioned the basically any additional funds are being reinvested into the channel for things like as i mentioned folks let me mention you may be wondering what why are you doing a kickstarter that's kind of weird man so in other words like it's true folks some of you guys might be you're like wait a minute to watch it live it's like you have to pay three dollars how dare you james well let me explain the reasoning though because there actually is reasoning behind it it is this so for some debates i can take the risk where i'm like okay well you know we probably we look at the total super chats that come in per month and the ad money so we can take the risk of let's say for example when we had our guests when we had the dillahunty and david wood debate that was a thousand for honorariums and we gave each speaker an honorarium for that and then it was also we spent money on the uh in that case i think we only had to cover the facility because uh david wood was both david and uh matt were in austin already which is a huge blessing does that worked well but nonetheless like the facility costs as well as me flying down there stuff like that is that we want to do big bad events like that that was an epic event we're super thankful for it and we want to do other ones and so that one we technically it was like in terms of like the super chats and ad money from that event itself was like a small like we didn't quite make up for it from that event alone but like i said we have other events that you could say we get super chats or ad money from and that we're like oh okay we're okay it's not it's not a big loss or anything but the idea here is it's like yeah you know sometimes we do have losses because you know we do sometimes pay speakers to come on and there's nothing wrong with that folks sometimes people are like oh like the speakers like want to get paid to come on and it's like they're busy successful people people want to have them on all over the place there's nothing wrong with them wanting an honorarium and a lot of times it's like we're we like insist we're like hey can we can you give me this honorarium because we know that to prepare for the debate or even just the time of the debate it takes you know it takes away from their work time right so they're busy a lot of them do it for a living even and so long story short there are some debates we are using this Kickstarter strategy to test out can we reach these let's say levels where we can take more risk like let's say honorariums if somebody wants two thousand dollars or maybe eventually five thousand dollars that's something that I frankly I can't risk that much like if we had that if we let's say you only had like four or five hundred dollars come in for a debate and we spent two thousand dollars that that's just too big of a risk for me but if we spread the risk and we just say it's it's a three dollar it's the price of a cup of coffee folks and you get to watch the event live and actually make it happen such as this event that we've always been talking about for the last several weeks IP inspiring philosophy and Dr. Michael Schermer in that case it kind of makes you could say many hands make light risk and what I mean by that is that hey we can kind of spread the risk out and so in our case like we're still putting money into it without a doubt but at the same time it helps us to say like okay we don't have to bear the full cost at the full risk if everybody's willing to put in three dollars to watch it live and so that is the explanation for why we are actually doing that so let's see I'm going to link smoky thanks so much for your generous contribution to the Kickstarter today really do appreciate that his aftershow is linked in the chat right now and I'm also going to in the chat put the link to our Kickstarter if you have not already I would highly encourage you folks to consider giving to the Kickstarter like I said if you want to see bigger batter events the kind that you're like oh snap this summer I'm not joking we are hoping to have people like Jordan Peterson and others like we are hoping to really go for it and this Kickstarter strategy is we're hoping we're hoping it's going to make it possible if it's successful this first time excuse me if it's successful this first time around which we absolutely believe that it will be we are going to continue to use it as a strategy to have huge events in the future those meaning big time speakers and often times in person that's another goal too and so I'm going to put this link in the description want to encourage you folks if you've not already signed up please do I'm also pinning it to the top of the chat and so thanks smoky saint for your generosity and support in mentioning people considering to donate to this folks you will only be charged the three dollars the price of a cup of coffee if the debate actually happens which believe me it's going to I guarantee it but in some way if it for some reason didn't happen well then you don't get charged so we're not taking anybody's money if the event doesn't actually happen because that sounds like like just wrong so uh you don't have to worry about that and I'm telling you folks we are determined this is going to happen I don't care if I and Tom jump and Steven steen have to do a car wash in January this is from last weekend very very cold uh nonetheless you can see Steven steen donned his his uh light green or dark green speedo there and he just loves the speedo so he was even in January he said I have to wear this for everybody and I'm guaranteeing you folks I'm crazy I'm telling you we're going to make this happen I have no doubt about it I am pumped for it and so you guys let me know if there are people in the future you're like I would love to see so and so live and in person this summer we are hoping that a lot of the restrictions that are currently in place on travel and big you know groups and small or not necessarily small but big groups indoors in a room together we recognize those restrictions we want to respect the debaters who most of the debaters are kind of like I don't really feel super excited to travel right now it's like we're totally we're we're with you so what we're doing is this summer we're hoping to have some in-person debates that will be epic and so if you're like hey man I would if they're if you're like hey I would love to see an epic event please let us know let's see that babel says Stephen could use a bikini wax oh my and then yes so yes I do want to say folks we are pumped for it it's less than two weeks I'm telling you it's happening it's going to be epic we've we've never gotten to have Michael Shermer on New York Times bestseller Dr. Shermer has a ton of interesting credentials and experiences and debate experience as well as and so this is going to be a big one folks you do not want to miss it and think about it this way you might be like oh three bucks man it's like I mean the debate's going to be at least two hours that's like a dollar fifty for an hour of entertainment like live entertainment where you're actually like at the party hanging out there with us now you might be like but James uh the trouble of you know creating a Kickstarter account that just doesn't appeal to me I understand the nice thing is you can actually bypass creating a Kickstarter account by just signing in with Facebook to do your pledge pretty epic and I want to show you too folks we're pumped about this I the whole thing is I was thinking the entire time how can we make this at a price that even the most frugal person who's like come on dude I want to spend a lot of money like we wanted to make it so that even the most frugal person could be like oh yeah I'm okay with that like I can do three bucks so I want to show you this three dollar kind of you know first level of pledging that you were seeing on the screen basically you get to watch it live and you help make it happen if not enough people sign up for it it just doesn't happen I mean in other words what I'm saying is you might be thinking like oh well I'll just watch it when it's eventually on the channel and it's maybe it's not live but I'll still get to watch it and it's true we are going to upload it onto the channel for the whole world to see afterwards and so you might be like eh I'll just save the three bucks it's like well but remember that if not enough people if we don't meet the Kickstarter goal we don't get to have the event so like that's uh it's like you wouldn't actually get to watch it afterwards if it doesn't actually happen because not enough people let's say sign up and so I would encourage you I know it's like three bucks price of a cup of coffee and like I said if we go past our goal of twenty five hundred dollars so those are speaker honorariums plus the Kickstarter fees plus taxes we've factored all of those things in and we've also included promotion so we are wanting to make this event huge we're going to put out ads shortly and so we are going to really hope I really think that'll help a lot in terms of also kind of bringing in more people which reduces the amount uh that we would have to ask people to contribute so we do really want to see the strategy succeed and that's part of it so that's why for example you can see here for six dollars you can watch it live and make this event huge in other words that's additional money that we can put toward promoting it via ads and things like that so we for sure are going to put up youtube ads and I think that will probably put up facebook ads that's something I got to figure out because we don't know how many people on facebook have a youtube channel that they like actually use um like a youtube account we're thinking about it I would think most do I don't know but then if you for example want to have your name on screen in the thank you list that's ten bucks so it's another way of saying that you really believe in the vision of the channel that we want to give everybody an equal opportunity an equal platform you could say in terms of being able to make their case and so we do really want to ask you to consider that as another one is I can't remember what it is it's the next tier up we will be reading the thank yous at the end of the debate so basically your name would be read on air and we will be saying you know thank you you know Frank or Bruce or whoever it is no pressure if your name is Frank or Bruce we will be doing that uh reading your name out loud to say thank you for being a kind of a power contributor a power supporter and the other thing too is a lot of you I think one of our most popular debates in fact without a doubt our most popular debate was with Matt DeLondi and inspiring philosophy we want to do I mean we'll see Lord willing we don't know for sure what's all going to happen in the future this depends on if the speakers would be up to it we would love to make another trip down to the atheist experience studio which has been a really fun time the people there were honestly tremendous really helpful and kind seriously I just enjoyed it so much and so we are hoping to make another trip down there for potentially the atheist experience studio depends on it when they're open and you know what we can work out I don't want to assume but that's our hope because we really did enjoy it and they have a great facility too is that we would love to do that in the future now Maverick I the Maverick I I saw you earlier you can't harass any individual so we you were banned and so I'm telling you the Maverick if you can own it right now and say you're not going to do it again we can allow you to be here but it's like we don't want anybody harassing anybody in the live chat and we're pretty easy going our only rule like technically is no hate speech but we don't want any sort of personal attacks on people it just doesn't make people's experience in the chat fun and that goes for everybody so rodent last name thanks for your super chat lives like a said my nasa shill check cleared so have some moneys well that's so encouraging appreciate that I don't know what that means like I don't know what all the flatter the lingo means but you guys we are pumped this event is going to be epic and so yes we do want to make some in-person debate trips to do that we want to cover the flights at least of the debaters and we want to at least get them at least one night in a hotel like a decent hotel something that's like you can sleep well in and not have you know have to worry about your safety or something so we are you know we try to be thrifty and at the same time we want to let you know that if we surpass our goal which frankly I think it's possible I think we're actually I wasn't sure but now I'm actually thinking like I think we're going to surpass our goal not only surpass but I mean by that like we're going to surpass it by like several hundred or more dollars is that the money is being reinvested back into the channel a lot of folks you maybe don't know that a lot of times our guests already some of our guests not all but sometimes we do already pay honorariums and we don't tell you like because you know it's like who needs to talk about it it's like it's not what you guys care about I don't think and it's you know it's like between the the speakers and us in terms of whether or not we are confident that the debate will kind of make up for the honorarium and if it doesn't like I said we've got flexibility where other events might make up for it but we do want to let you know that we absolutely do plan on reinvesting back into the channel with any additional funds so this is things like traveling hoping to has have a other events that are in person with big time speakers and so we are excited though tell us an overlander says I want to harass James but yeah I'm stoked let me know what you guys think what are your thoughts on it and you know like I'm totally okay if you're like I gotta be honest like these speakers don't appeal to me that's okay like you know you can be honest like that's good feedback for us top dog shatic thanks so much that I just pledged that seriously means a lot top dog shatic really I do appreciate it and then thanks so much I appreciate it though and so your feedback we do appreciate the feedback it's like it's okay if you don't really like the topic or the guests maybe you're like I don't know if I really dig that guess I don't know you know it's at the same time it's like it's three dollars guys okay you really do you think they're that bad of a debater um but the other thing is is that we at the same time we're like hey you know it's valuable to have your feedback we just don't I'm not like super excited if people are like oh my gosh this event is so dumb and stupid and wait just a waste of time and money it's like is there it's like your constructive criticism could be more constructive but hey it's the internet what are you gonna do um I'm sorry Wilson says not a doxer but James is from but chin sinati that's funny I do have a total but chin it's so true I've always had this but chin since I was a kid and they even said it back then that it was a but chin I think of it as like a dimple it's like a dimple on automatic it's just on all the time I don't have to smile it's just always there but let's see so thanks so much we do appreciate it let's see people debating in the chat you guys are you guys are like energetic you guys are energetic and energized you're always going at it I appreciate though I do like it that you guys have your you're aiming at the arguments so that's cool let's see any feedback though I've done this spiel with you guys you guys are I think everybody here pretty much right now you're the regulars and so I've done this spiel with you guys a trillion times and so I'm so sorry if it's boring you're like James I've heard this is a trillion times it's okay but let's see Brian Stevens says fun fact when the diamond industry needs more diamonds they cut them in James's chin that's funny that's really funny I wish Chuck Norris style then we have tell us an overlander says gonna have to give us the link to your only fans James to make this pitch work oh nasty guy I don't really have one but let's see uh Steve Coat says he says you're cool James thank you Steve you're a cool guy I appreciate your kind words and then uh Munda skeptical says anyways this is fun as usual peace good people till next time we'll take care friend thanks for coming by hanging out with us Megan say Tana says I love you James you remind me of a good friend from grad from grade school thanks so much I do appreciate that Megan that's a really kind of you to say and uh glad you're here it it does me a lot you warm the environment that's it's really nice and let's see oh yeah there's a lot of aftershows going on so hopefully they're friendly I don't know who knows hard to know I it's like but yeah let's see mug mug go grog says maybe it's your third eye James is that supposed to be dirty I don't know but anyway hand Joe fo sho says James you're the best thanks so much friend seriously that means a lot appreciate it but yeah I'm pumped so let me know I'm always like I do like to I do like getting your feedback it's nice to get to hang out with you guys and just interact because it's like I love doing the debate don't get me wrong like I love moderating and I love the guests absolutely but I sometimes I'm like I would like to do more interaction with you guys and just get to like say hello because I appreciate you guys just thanks for hanging out even if you don't do any of the Kickstarter stuff or super chats or anything like that really do hope you know that you make it fun just being here seriously I'm in like such a good mood I my girlfriend Frankie that's her name it's like Frankie but uh but she's cute she's uh when she sees me on like she's seen me on the channel and she'll see me moderate she's like you're so happy and I'm like because in real life I I I'm like not usually like as chipper I'm not like the most angry person in the world but I'm like more even keeled I'm just kind of like very quiet for real like and I'm not usually this like ear to ear smiles this just gets me in a good mood and and so I'm usually more quiet and just kind of like I don't know even keeled I think they'd say and so and she knows that and so when she sees me like moderating on video and I'm just like super glowing and happy and energetic she's like wow it's like it you're like you really do enjoy this so Steve Cote thanks for your kind word says we appreciate you James that means a lot thank you Steve I'm sorry Wilson says I still want to see James moderate a debate as PJs that would be so awesome I have these awesome new pajamas they're like these red flannel pajamas that would look I just love them you guys I really would that would actually be fun to do I've got to think of a way to do that maybe should I put them on underneath a blazer it should it's you wouldn't wear a blazer bad that doesn't make sense I mean I could just wear the pajamas straight up pajamas and then let's see whoa Farron Salas thanks so much for making your $40 pledge on Kickstarter just now seriously thanks so much that does really mean a lot that's incredibly generous so seriously I'm really appreciate it and general ball sack says the I love the aftershows even if it is somewhat of an infomercial you're right it is I should just call it that from now on it says you deserve all the support you're getting love the purpose of the channel thank you general ball sack thank you seriously for your your support of the vision we really do we hope that everybody gets a shot to make their case on a level playing field and I don't know I like moderating the funny thing is when somebody somebody is like because to be honest I have to tell you that the truth is a long time ago my friend Andy and he's a unique fellow he's he's just a wildly interesting fellow he's like you should moderate you should like do moderate like to have a debate channel and I was like ah maybe but I love moderating and I do love debating so you can see some of my old debates like I I've enjoyed it so I've got like some in-person debates even I think there's one from like seven years ago 2014 six years ago so there's one from six and a half years ago or so that was against August Berkshire that was him and I debating in person and that was up in Minnesota and that was a blast but I do love moderating and so I we hope that it can be like a useful thing for other people that is like hey if I enjoy it like that'd be cool to do like because I love like when people reach out and they're like hey can I like come on and debate and now we've gotten sorry we've gotten like we've gotten more we're like hey do you have any past debate experience I hate to say that but just because the audience is like you know people generally like people who are more experienced because they're they're just generally like anything you more deliberate practice the better you are and so Chris Keith says I'll hit you MDD when my next PPP goes through what's PPP said if would have thought about would have sent Super Chat to their so less quote unquote tax I'm confused I wonder if we could do is there a way we could do like a the thing is I wish Kickstarter showed me the names of people as they made their donations because if they did then I would know like if we could like link it to Super Chat somehow would be cool but I can't so like it'll show me for example if I like open this up I'm like okay cool like let's see what people are like whoa seriously thank you guys like holy smokes we've like gone up like almost a hundred dollars in the last hour so seriously thank you guys so much I can't believe it this is like awesome I'm so excited you guys seriously encouraging is basically so sorry I'm like distracted now because I'm super excited but thank you guys seriously for your your encouragement your kind words everything and then remember if you're a patreon sorry if I didn't mention this I try to mention it every night if you're a patreon patron no worries about uh signing up is that you're already like given a link we'll give it to patreon and we appreciate you being a patron and so um do appreciate that but let's see here oh yeah I wish that I knew like I could I wish I could see who gave what because then I I could like know and like be sure like how to we could like connect it to super chats maybe somehow because somebody was like hey what if you did it like where if you do a super chat um you could like super chat and have it go to the Kickstarter I wish we could but the trick is there's a few tricks one super chat's not as ideal because youtube takes 30 percent of super chats a lot of people don't know that but yeah like I definitely we don't see the channel doesn't see 100 percent not quite even close because remember youtube takes 30 percent of the remainder taxes will probably take out like 15 percent uh maybe more this next year I don't know but um so I mean we see like probably between 15 60 percent of the super chat if I had to guess I think that's right um so so we do like super chats are super helpful but it is actually more you could say more of the amount that you give a greater percentage of it will be given to the Kickstarter or the the project itself if you give through Kickstarter rather than super chat because Kickstarter doesn't take out 30 percent I think they take all like 8 to 10 percent and so um but yeah I've thought about that Jen's van I know forgive me if I mispronounce Jen Brockhoven Jen's van Brockhoven said I think I just pledged thank you so much Jen's appreciate your support it really does mean a lot and so we are pumped you guys seriously I am like thrilled and I think you just did because it it went up just now and so um man I am so excited though you guys this is just encouraging because it's like hey we seriously guys I we're gonna this is absolutely gonna work and we can do some epic events this summer and it's just going to be massive so let's see Jen's van brock how Brockhoven says oh it worked hope you'll get there Jen's thanks so much we appreciate it we were going to get there I'm telling you folks how many times do I have to show you this picture I don't care if it's me and Steven steen and t jump as you see pictured here this is uh it was in January I don't know why and you can see here I just you know had the aviators on I was playing it cool and Steven steen nasty guy he was just like I have to wear my speedo and I was like you really don't it's okay please don't and then t jump decided to not to dress like a pirate so that was our car wash though you could see somebody that's Nephilim free in the back like between Steven steen and I Nephilim freeze like prepping the water bucket but yeah we're pumped you guys it is I'm so excited to show you more pictures of us doing a car wash and said let's see general ball sack said I pledged $5 right now to see Darth Dawkins return I don't know if it's going to happen I mean who knows it's possible but Darth is not exactly our biggest fan so but we're I'm telling you folks I don't care what it takes I'm determined it's I'm going to doesn't matter we're going to make this it is going to happen and it's going to be a blast guys I'm excited for it and so Steve coach says t jump is still wearing a speedo though maybe underneath the pirate costume I don't know but you know nasty guy then we have it says let's see general ball sacks is in another five not to have to see that image anymore burn just for that here it comes look oh man I just love that picture it's like Steven steen he's my boy but let me jump back where am I here two seconds but yeah I am seriously excited is there um tuss beatbox thanks so much for kind words that's so cool to see how genuinely excited James is about this so wholesome I am excited you guys this is it's just a cool strategy that we earlier we were like I don't know I was like would that work like but I'm like super excited that I'm like this could definitely be on it could be absolutely epic seriously I am so excited you guys so I am pumped for it I think it's going to be great it's going to not only that but you guys it's going to just open up so many doors because I know it's like oh cool like one debate it's like yeah it is one debate but it's also like you guys this potentially could be like we've wanted to host people like Sam Cedar in person we wanted to host people like already mentioned several earlier another vosh in person debate that's something we've talked about maybe even this is something I've talked to vosh about he's kind of like I don't know maybe like is we've talked about it's like it's not for sure it's not it's far from for sure but we've talked about the possibility of like flying vosh into dinosaur adventure land to debate kent hovind so that could happen who knows negan satana says darth likes to set boundaries for an argument then attack if you don't accept his boundaries not only does he lose he is a sore loser about it so hopefully darth's not watching but yes I just randomly read that and I didn't really think about it but general ball sack says yeah I ended up throwing a few bucks his way though um oh well that's nice of you to do general ball sack donating even though you're a patreon patreon patreon already meaning you'll already get to watch it live so that means a lot he said if he can manage to get a big name on the channel besides delante since he's already been here that would be awesome um who would you guys like to see I'm kind of curious like are there like really big names you'd be pumped to see I've got maybe another minute and then I've got a quick run but are there people that you'd be like man I would be absolutely seriously just pumped to see this debate like ben Shapiro versus Sam Cedar or Dave Rubin versus Sam Cedar or I mean I have to tell you and this is like not to be discouraged um so get Sam Cedar and Jimmy door together that'd be huge that would be huge that'd be epic so that seriously would be a blast we could see that might work tuss beatbox says cosmic skeptic absolutely that would be epic and Brian Steven says William Lane Craig that is true versus mental hunting that would be amazing seriously that would be phenomenal I totally agree I don't know if it I mean it's like I wonder how much I don't know if William Lane Craig would I don't know he's said before that he's like not wanting to I think because I think people brought it up before um but who knows and then Jeremy corporate thanks for your kind words that I love your channel because of you I have been into debates and I have watched some of the debates on here like 12 times thanks so much Jeremy that means a lot seriously that really does it really means a lot it's encouraging and then Taliesin Overlander said Dave Rubin versus G-man yes that's definitely G-man reached out to me recently G-man was like hey it's like I want somebody with at least I don't know we'll we'll see maybe and then uh let's see language and programming channel says I'll debate someone that may work language and programming we're always at modern day debate at gmail.com if you're up for it and then let's see we usually have some like things that we asked for especially past debate video so we can just kind of see what your style is especially like yeah because there's like who knows who's out there but Megan Satanus says laugh out loud it's true though if you watch the debate between him and Shannon Q it's appalling his attitude are you talking about Darth or G-man it's gotta be Darth um general ball sex says if you could manage Shapiro or Peterson my mind would be blown my mind would be blown too to be honest but for real like I think it's possible I really do I absolutely think it's possible um so yeah we think that would be epic let's see Amy Newman says get Sam Harris back on the debate circuit that would be awesome and then Brittle Brittle thanks for your suggestion said Ben and Dave would never read a debate Sam he'd humiliate them and they both know it shots fired appreciate that and that that is a really juicy um oh yeah David says does Pacman debate people we would love to have David Pacman that's something I have gotten a response from David before um and then so I would definitely love to do like an in-person debate maybe with like Pacman and who does he disagree with and I mean like enough to where it'd be an epic debate um maybe maybe Sargon have to go over to maybe we'll go to England I don't know but let's see space says Jimmy is dodging Sam over forcing Medicare for all vote they have beef yikes well who knows um I just saw somebody recommend Sargon Sargon have a cod versus rationality rules on any topic loved their last debate oh that'd be awesome I didn't know they did that's pretty cool and then let's see thanks Jeremy for I'm so glad I pronounced your name right let's appreciate that feedback that's good for me to know and then Jen's van Brock Hovens said I'll send a huge list with Europeans we for real like I'd be willing to go to Europe um I do have let's see some flyer miles that might be enough to get me over to Europe so I would be like pumped to try to like do something there David said oh yeah I could probably I probably didn't watch that because I didn't I can't stand JLP Jesse Lee Pearson even if someone his even if someone's beating him down Tuss says if we raise enough funds maybe we can get Tjum's chair maybe that's possible um no Sargon please says Jen's Icarumba let's see Wolf versus Friedman 2 that would be actually really cool I would love that and then Deepak are you saying Deepak Chopra is that his name Tuss and then oh yeah Deepak versus Brian Cox and then finish the feud with Jesse Lee Peterson Jimmy Dorr and Pacman that would be cool so yeah I will probably come back to this to watch this uh because I think it's cool um you've never heard of either Sargon or Pacman Bruce Wayne are you serious that's crazy Timo Timo thanks for your kind words just keep it up appreciate it Timo and then friendly Atheist versus any theist that would be cool the guy with a huge Maga hat I don't know that might be Jesse Lee Peterson I don't know um Bill LaHunter you know is Pacman I'll I'll definitely want to see David debate some really hard right fella that'd be cool and then Desi and debated him Jesse Lee Peterson Dawkins versus Mr. Batman that could be cool but yeah so thank you guys for those ideas seriously I'm seriously we really do want to set up some epic in person that's the trick is I really I think that I think it's a lot more fun it's a lot more fun to watch that's cool so that's seriously something that I'm like hey that could be epic so but thank you guys appreciate everything Colossus thanks for stopping in we're about to wrap up but we do appreciate you coming by and so thanks everybody for your kind words your encouragement your love I'm going to throw that link in the oh that's right the Kickstarter link is pinned at the top of the chat if you haven't already highly encourage you to consider pledging it's a cup of cup of coffee you know just to watch it live and make sure it actually happens and it's going to be a blast folks I'm excited so thanks so much though seriously I'm super encouraged at no joke tonight it's gone up literally about a hundred dollars in terms of people pledging so whoa it's now it's over a hundred dollars we are up to 61 backers I think we had 52 when we started tonight so thank you guys big time I'm seriously stoked I'm excited I'm encouraged I appreciate you guys I hope you have a great rest of your night we will be back I think it's Tuesday so Tuesday I think we're having a tag team debate on whether or not science leads to God or Krishna it should be different and interesting and we've got a lot of cool ones coming we're going to try to start this first week of 2021 with some epic debates so um we've got plenty more this upcoming week but yeah so I think it's Saturday so we won't be here tomorrow we'll be gone until the 29th which is Tuesday then I think we're going to be here the 30th and then I think the first and second so yeah it's it's going to be we've got some cool ones we'll see you soon thanks so much everybody keep sifting out the reasonable from the unreasonable and we really appreciate you folks take care