 Okay, welcome to this hearing by a zoom of the local historic district mission. We seek to aid property owners and the town and preserving and protecting the distinctive characteristics and architecture of buildings and places significant in the history of Amherst. Members of the public who wish to access the meeting may do so via zoom or by telephone and a hyperlink to the hearing will be posted on the town's online calendar. We require one of three certificates to ensure that new construction and most alterations of exterior architectural features in the district meet requirements. This hearing is open to the public and is being recorded. And we're going to start with Mr. Malloy summarizing the applications and then the applicant can speak and then we'll talk about them. So, thank you. I begin. I guess I'll ask if there's anyone here for 14 Gray Street if you raise your hand or. All right. We'll bring you in for as a panelist and so you can go ask you want to join. Hi Brad so you can meet yourself and then you're free to. You know give a presentation or share your screen or I can at your request. I'm not however you want it to work. I want to show the drawings that I've submitted that would be great. The essential request and this application is to extend the existing fence, the privacy fence along existing property line in the south of the property. In the same form and fashion as the existing fence to complete that privacy fence and then to put in place a stand encapsulation fence around the yard where there's existing architect or property features along the property line with my neighbors. I understand that this group is not consider plantings when considering about things being visible from the right of way but largely these should be invisible to the, the eye of passersby. The intent is to be a minimally apparent fence shorter than existing features and existing fences, mostly just for I have small children and a dog that I'd like to not have, you know, run about on the busy streets. Yeah, I'll just add to that you know this is what's online the packet and what was submitted so here's, you know existing fences and blue proposed in green and then a new fence in red. Here's 14 Gray Street is Gray Street is just our main street is just, you know, south just off the page. So here's the existing fence, which would be matched, and then, you know how panel fences, like a gridded wire panel with, you know, would, you know would framing. You know, here's the specifications for that one kind of fence. Let's see what else do we have here and then you know here's just some images of what it would look like and so it is visible from you know from Gray Street and Main Street. So my plan is that it would be the existing style and form would be the part visible from main and gray. I guess, you know, the gate along the side of the house kind of in the picture left here, you'd be able to see a little bit of it there as well. Are there questions from the commission. None for me it seems pretty reasonable and pretty clear. Does anyone else have any concerns. I can understand with small children or you might want to have a fence there. It's a beautiful house to. Thank you. Yeah, the idea is just minimalist functional, fitting with the design. Yeah, it's kind of nice in a way that kids can see through that you can see through it. Yeah, the type, the type of fence won't be very I stopping or anything like that. Yes, my daughter and son in law for the fence like that I helped them. So I've already committed to this type of fence, I guess. All right. It sounds to me like we're perhaps ready to approve this certificate. Sorry just quickly there are some members of there's six other attendees public attendees if we'd want to have any public comment. Is there anyone in the public who'd like to comment on this. You could raise your hand if you do. I'm not seeing any hands being raised. All right, then let's move to about to this is to approve the certificate for this fence current. I, I approve. Elizabeth. Yes, I approve. Nicole. Yes, approve. I approve. And Bruce. Yes. I also approve it. So, Brad, I think you're all set. We have approved your certificate and Nate will be producing that and I will be signing it for you. Thank you. Thank you very much for coming to this hearing. Okay, should we move to the next. Request. Yeah. So the next one is. I just waiting for zoom for a second. It's 41 43 fearing if there's anyone here. They could raise their hand. To speak or present. Do we have anyone 43 fearing is anyone here for 43 fearing. I had spoken with a contractor I know. He had a, you know, had trouble as computers broken he was going to call in and I had. I emailed the owner isn't spoken with them and they were away but they're going to try to attend. And they asked this house and they've already made the changes. Right. No one's here. I can, I can, I'll share my screen. I'll run through the, the, the, what the changes may just. Yeah, this is that visible for everyone. Yes. This was the existing. It's looking at the second floor. Or so, you know, there's a railings and there's like a double rail on top. I was added later because, you know, this existing railing wasn't up to code for height. And I think the decking needed to be replaced. You can see there's some damage over here. And so the proposal was to then. You know, put install new railings, you know, decking and structural, you know, Joyce underneath that we can't see. And this is what, sorry, I was assuming this is what it looks like now. So it hasn't, it hasn't been trimmed. It hasn't been finished, but they did, you know, put new railings and other things. What they're using is, you know, this railing system from, you know, timber tech. And so it's, I guess, yeah, like Nancy said, it's already installed, you know, it looks similar but not, you know, there's slight difference between what was there. But, you know, it looks like now. So a question, Nate. Did these folks have a building permit initially to do this or did they just move ahead and do it? Yeah, the building permit was an issue either so. That's what I was wondering because otherwise Rob would have, I would have thought directed him here, directed the applicants here. So yeah, there was some difficulty getting the contractor to complete all the paperwork for both permits. Yes, it's one would have thought the contractor would have known a full well that a building permit was necessary and be given how conspicuous the work is that he would be hauled in if he didn't do that but apparently, neither of those, the contractor was not aware of either of those two possibilities. So this is somebody who's very and very new to the game of building I'm guessing. No, I think, you know, we went to an online permitting system and the contractor doesn't use computers. So I think it was more about a lack of understanding, you know, how to submit things. So, you know, I have spoken with one of the building inspectors I was assigned to this and Rob more and I said you know what we typically do here is just trying to get this into compliance. So, you know, we're still trying to get information for the building permit in terms of its structure so you know we don't necessarily care. You know what kind of choice they were using, you know what kind of doesn't meet building code, we're looking at the aesthetic piece but that's what was holding up the building permit you know they needed a framing plan, and a few other pieces. So, so as I saw what you showed and I looked at it earlier online I only got back from Europe after five weeks last night so I didn't drive over and have a look at it in the flesh but it looked virtually identical. The major differential is the fact that the raiding, you know, the double raider it's been it's been put at the appropriate height from a building code point of view in in the first instance here so the second raiding isn't necessary. So it seems I couldn't see anything that looked as though it was not a, you know, a replication of what was there, or as close as possible. Rita, I think that the only difference that I noticed was that the space between the rails is greater now than it used to be. So it used to be the same as the first floor, but now it's wider between the two between the rails. Oh, this. Could you bring that up again. It looks like someone had raised their hand. Yeah, I, my, I immediately went to that, that it was not the same the distance between the uprights were not the same. Right. If this had come to us before they had done it I would absolutely have asked that those vertical pieces be the same and they used to be the same for three but not for, I mean, they could have repaired it. So that's, do you see the difference numbers. Yes, I do. And if you look at the old picture of the house. Yeah, yeah, they were the same. They were the same. Yeah. Edward, I'm not allowed you to talk. I don't know if you're Edwin. Are you here to represent the project. You have to unmute yourself. Hello. Yes. Hi, my name is Edwin Gensler. I'm the owner of 43 Fearing, and Ward Welcome did the work on the debt. And I can answer some of your questions I can't answer them all. This was put in 25 years ago by and Lance taught us and I put in the hogging and all sorts of nice materials. And I thought they would last. But they did deteriorate some moisture got underneath and some of the joints deteriorated. So, I asked for the welcome. I think these are some quite a bit of work around them. To replace the deck and repair the railing. And he couldn't happen to match it as closely as he could. I like the, I like everything about what Lance did before he matched the columns he matched the style of the house even found five panel doors that fit with the architecture and So I think Lord did a very good job I did ask him to use materials that would have a longer life because that's the snow and the rain and the wind and the leaves. That's that does take a certain degree of weather. And I'm pretty pleased with how it turned out. The this was a bit routine through the first time you get it. And they looked at it pretty closely. And I matched as much as I could. The original plan. And I'm pretty pleased with the war did what it did deteriorate underneath the deck. I think they was fine. So Lord welcome left the Underneath open for whomever wanted to come by and and take a look on the construction but I'm very pleased with how it turned out. And I think the integrity of the house was pretty well maintained. So, if I may, the question then is, are we satisfied with the balance is facing or would we ask that they be reinstalled in a closer figure closer together. This is an artificial. It's not wood. Lance had his own legs and his own workshop and he could reproduce materials pretty easily. This is a pre fact, but I think I think the war purchased it from low. Not 100% sure about And it was it's the top of the line and what they had the The difficulty was getting the height. I wanted the higher Level because I don't want any problems with Anybody having Falling off and that's what the start of the mission did last time they made me put a little Double railing in the top. I think you can see that kind of photos. This time the railing is manufactured to be a higher I don't think it would have been this commission That would have asked for a double railing because we Didn't exist. I don't think it that Well that could be that could be I mean, I think this is the first time The historical mission has looked at this So I think that's probably correct Are you aware that you were supposed to have come to the historical commission before doing this work The local historic district commission You know, I sort of left the permitting To the constructor And I think My understanding is that he did Get a permit to do The construction now whether or not that was with the historical commission or not Once again I can say He did say that someone from the historical commission Probably come by and take a look at it Happens I think Regardless of all the history and so forth it seems that We just have to decide whether we're satisfied with the Or whether we want to ask that those balusters be put closer I'm not I don't know the system that's been purchased I imagine that it's probably a matter of buying more of the balusters and But I think that would be the question if the if the system that has been purchased here Has got a certain Is manufactured to accept balusters The vertical pieces only at the spacing that we see In other words, whether there's some kind of lock in arrangement or whether there's just a slot and you can install and fasten As many of these as as you would choose I don't know because I'm not familiar with the the propriety line My understanding is that this is a kind of a free fab construction And Ward said if we would make more than he doesn't have the workshop to do it It would it would It would just buy more Customs Considerable This kind of I'm sure At various In the In the Amish What do the other commissioners think about this Question I wonder if you're going to finish the The raw wood that I see is that going to be The diagonal Right. We've already The board is ready to install at any point I do think that there was I would say I won't say I'm a hundred percent sure but I'm 98% sure that war welcome Did pull a permit for this and that left us open For the building inspectors to come take a look at what's underneath And as soon as that's approved the the finishing pieces will go off Okay, that makes sense. Thank you. So let me ask is there anyone who does not wish to approve this at this point Betty, would you speak Yeah, I'd like to have a little more discussion about it Because the question is if it had come to us With this as the plan And not had been already done Would we have approved it or would we've had made the suggestion that the balusters etc should match as it had done before The lower fencing The lower you know around the Board So and then the question is if people go ahead and just make the changes themselves for whatever reason Whether that does set a precedent for skirting the issues skirting the desires of the committee Yes, I agree with you current Can can you hear me. Yeah, okay. I think it's a cost question too and I think we have to be careful to demand that people put a lot of money into restoring something I think that this is a prefab thing unless I'm wrong and to have it match probably would have been a custom thing. Now, it's it would have been a nice thing beforehand for us with for for war to be able to discuss that with us. Just as we, you know, the little house across from me we decided it was okay they could they could put in different windows even though we like the matching the antique she said it's just that they're so much more expensive. And we as the local historical society we, we have to be careful to not, you know, demand that people go really overboard in putting custom, I'm sure this would be thousands. I'm pretty sure this would be thousands of dollars more, if he couldn't go with the kind of a prefab sort of thing. So, it shouldn't be a precedent that you should just go up and do what you want but I don't think that it will be I think we have to make sure that we get our word out more that these are the things that have to be approved, but I'm ready to approve it as as is because of that. Rita. I think I agree with Karen. It is a judgment call. I mean I think it would be a lot more expensive and it is hard. It would be a lot more expensive. I think it would have, it would look better to me to have the same on the bottom is the top. But I also know it's hard to be a homeowner and it's expensive and so. I think we need to talk to the builder about the builders to about coming to us first. Yeah, I'm surprised that Ward welcome has not communicated with us. I think we did attend to be at this meeting. I know his wife does have a computer. That's a bit of a surprise and I understand that he had been in touch with you. I think it's actually more more than a single occasion, as the project continues so that time was a bit of a surprise to me. The first deck that I put in with the mahogany was, yeah, I think it started at about 45,000 dollars and do about 75,000. It was never do that again by the time he went, he would go to his lab and make more and more of those. You know, they're all the top they're about it. It was. And then the weather. Yeah, we had some soap on with the snow. I mean it was just really rough on the material. Well, pretty clean. We look at a couple of different types of materials that were there. The wood is just beautiful. It looks, it looks just like mahogany, you know, it's pressure treated. Some of these. I don't know what you're talking about the material. It's really getting quite good. Some of those materials. I really want to. Yeah, we spent a lot of time. Figuring out. And the results and integrity all of these were serious considerations. So I think there's some nice things about the way it's been done that the columns line up in a nice way. There's some things that look better. I'm, I'm still very unhappy about the fact that you didn't come here first. Because we would have liked to have had this conversation with you before you put this in. Betty. I want to ask the question, do we know that there aren't other prefab systems that have the narrower spacing. Good question. Good question. And I did look at that. The original cases before there's, they are very close together. Unusually so. I have looked at other balconies and decks in the town of Anna. And I haven't seen any of them with those. I don't know what to call them. I was chasing so close together. So I don't, if I could have found a prefab that would have replicated that I think I would have purchased staff and I would have been willing to pay. Hey, more, but it is a, it's an unloading style. I think it's actually pretty typical for the period. I think we've got the same at our house. I think most porches around here have very close ballast rates if they were done built during that time period. But I know that to have them replaced is expensive. I've had them replaced. And I understand the problem. I think it's time for us to perhaps take a vote on whether to move forward with this. Nancy, you're going to recognize me. I've had my hand up for a very long time. Oh, I'm sorry. You know, your hand is against a yellow background and I didn't see it. Okay. I'm more of Elizabeth. The it's, it's not clear to me. It's not clear to me that this system can't have the ballast as closer. I went online in the interim and looked at the timber tech system and so forth. The spacing is based on a code requirement for a minimum of five, a maximum of five inches of gap, which is presumed to be the size of a child's head. It's not clear to me. And if the builder was here, he could perhaps enlighten me that these that these that you couldn't just buy more of these balusters and install them at a closer spacing. Regardless, I don't think you necessarily have to go and find another system. We need to know whether this system is flexible enough to have accepted the balusters and still is the closest spacing and the contractor could tell us that. Or I could drive down to Lowell's and find out. But I'm, I'm not inclined to agree to something that's been done retroactively when the when the contractor is who did it isn't even here to answer a basic question about whether the purchase of a certain number of additional balusters wouldn't solve wouldn't allow them to be installed at the closest spacing. And I don't think it's we're not talking thousands of dollars here if the system is flexible in that regard it's, it, I mean, it'll, it'll cost some money to take the current balusters out and replace the middle closest spacing. But that maybe is the cost of not coming in asking in the first place. I reckon a me. Yeah, I would agree with Bruce and Elizabeth as well. This is another project on pairing remember that the contractor never shows up. This has been not we need to take a stand I think. And I don't, I don't think it's on or as to see if you can, there can be more struts put in. I also have another issue which is unrelated but isn't on the stairs going up under my code is supposed to be for safety railings, or is that grandfather then so doesn't mean it's not under. I'm just a question tonight, because I know that for most steps approaching they're supposed to be handrails. I'm pretty interested. Hi. Yeah, it could be that this. I was looking at there's three steps. I mean it might be under the height threshold. I don't. Yeah. Yeah, I just was curious. Betty. I don't have a table of vote on this until we get a little more information. If we ask the homeowner and the contractor to get back in touch and see if the balustrade system can be retrofitted is Bruce suggests or whether there's an another system of this type. I mean, I don't mind the synthetic that that would work. Would you like to make a motion to that? To table this. Well, no, so we have to continue it to a date certain it's an open public hearing and so, you know, I would suggest November 20th, which would give us time to advertise additional hearings. This could be first on the agenda. I'll also say that. The commission is still here that, you know, the commission is needs to issue a certificate within so many days. And if it extends beyond that, then either it's constructively granted or is denied. And so, you know, I'd want you to agree today that you would sign this waiver that the that the commission may not make a decision within 60 days. And if not, then we would just deny it. And so, you know, that's, that's the only way that this can proceed with the continuance is if we get have that, you know, a response from the owner. Or, you know, the representative now saying that they would agree to sign a waiver. And so, you know, yeah, I mean the commission reached out to the town and was told long before the work happened that it needed both a building permit and a local historic district certificate and it was never followed through with and so, you know, I think that in some instances, people aren't aware of it and this one, I don't think that was the case. And so, you know, we're going to sign whatever I need to sign to get a continuance. I do think that a conversation or at least if I send the board welcome a handful of questions about what is the permitting process. He's built whole households in the area so I, I'm really surprised that he's worked on many houses in the historical districts as well. So, this does come as a bit of a surprise and he's the one that told me about with me. That I attend. So, this is the first time I've been invited to the talk with you. I certainly understand your concern. It's a beautiful neighborhood. My house is right on the northern entrance of the sunset prospect Lincoln street. The historical district and I think they pride in my house tonight. I'm pretty pleased with the results. I certainly wasn't trying to cut any corners. I wasn't trying to. I just wanted to maintain the integrity of what was left. The way the house has been before that. I thought I did that. Yeah. So I will. I guess the question you want to know is what happened. Why didn't we contact you soon. And what efforts were made to contact and then this, do we have any flexibility with this project and can you amend it. I think there's two things. One is, or a few things. One is, you know, a written agreement that you'd waive the 60 days to have a certificate issued. And the other one is, you know, more than just war telling us the balusters can't be spaced differently. We'd want to have, you know, information from the company explaining if they, you know, additional balusters could be installed. And the cost of that. And so, you know, I would want to see correspondence with the manufacturer or a representative from the company or something. And then also what the cost is, because this could have been, you know, caught beforehand and incorporated into the project or not, but at least the commission would have had the ability to have a say. Exactly. That makes sense. No, we have a generic form. I'll send word the generic form and you can pass it along. Okay. Nate, do we need to take any more action as a commission to continue this or is that sufficient. No, we need a motion and a vote to continue it to a time and date certain. So, okay. Do I have a motion to continue this to a time and date search? And I think the date would be November. Well, let's just say late November. We have to say actually like November. That's a Monday that works for everyone. I won't be here, but I'm not going to be here all next month. Okay. So do I do I have a motion to continue this? November 20. I saw move. Yes. Second. All right. Betty. Yes. Bruce. Yep. Yes. Yes. Sorry. Yes. See. Yes. Yes. Great. Did you. Yes. Yes. All right. So we have passed this motion and we will continue it to November 20th at 3pm. Thank you, Edwin. Thank you, everybody. Right. The next one is for was it 156 fearing or 156 stunts. Is there. Since anyone representing. All right. Kathy will be promoted to panelists or you'll be asked to be invited. Good afternoon, everybody. Thank you for coming to our meeting. Of course. Happy to be here. I'm a property manager with work. Real estate. We manage the property. I did invite the contractor to be present. So he was given the link, but I he might not be, he might not be here. I didn't raise his hand. I, I'm sorry. He might not be here. I did prepare a small presentation. So I can share my screen. If that would be acceptable. I don't know if it. I think if you try. Try now. Okay. And Shane, Shane. Is he. Correct. Yeah. He was the one who put the fence in. Shane, I'll promote you to panelists as well. That's visible for me. Okay. Great. So here's a, so I do want to say that the friends has already been erected. I'm sure if you've. Gone by and taken a look at this point, it. It did escape my notice here on our end that the, the contractor had not gone through the appropriate channels. So I do want to apologize on protects his behalf that we didn't cross our keys and our eyes. But I do want to give you the brief description of the work. As well as the materials and I have some photos as well. And we kind of go over the intention of the fence and the reason for the construction. So the. From the diagram, six inch or six foot height fence for foot back from the road with a 30 inch buffer. And then we went with for a stockade fencing. To match what was already present on the property. And I'm not going to go into that. I'm not going to go into that. I'm not going to go into that. I'm not going to go into that. I'm not going to go into that. But I'm just going to go over the intention of the fencing. To match what was already present on the property. And I do have some photos of some of the present stockade fencing that already exists. And here are also some of the product literature. The pressure treated panels. There's spruce. As well as the posts, which are yellow pine. I believe this was sent along in the permit as well as the application. With the historical committee. So you should have a copy of this as well. So this is the existing fencing that exists. This is over by the parking area on the property. Obviously it's a little bit more weathered. So it is a slightly different color. Then, you know, what was newly erected, but our intention was to match what was already pre existing. That exists on the property as is. And the intention of the fence. So we border three permanent Amherst residents year round residents. I believe councilwoman Jennifer top has a property there. Bill and Connie Gillan. I think that's a great idea. I think that's a great idea. I think that's a great idea. I think that's a great idea. We're well known in the community as well as Jesse Johnson, who inherited that house from his. Parents who passed through his father who passed recently. There were some concerns since we do have student tenants about crossing the property line. Just general concerns. Noisiness, that type of thing. We've been working really hard to foster a good relationship with the neighbors here kind of going forward. And we thought offense. I think that's a great idea. But I think it's a great idea to see between our student tenants and the permanent residents who share that property line. So that was the intention of the fence. There is some natural bushes, kind of towards the back of the property, but this would add just another layer. To ensure that there was no, you know, there's more of a separation between our tenants and, you know, the existing permanent, permanent year round residents who who reside on the street with them. this area from the street where it's back, you can see where it transitions from the forefoot to the six foot, as well as just the, there's no stain or anything on the fence as of right now. It's just the pressure treated the wood. I believe John Thompson did take a look at this a little while back closer to when it was erected and they did make, the contractor did pull it a little further back from the road per his request. So that's already been completed just to be in line with the 30 inches back from the road. And then here's towards the back of the fence. It does kind of go along the length of the property and then ends at some of the natural foliage that separates kind of separates over the back area of the property and the adjacent properties as well. So that is kind of the entirety of the project. This was planned in closely after discussing with the neighbors. So our intention here was to just to create a better atmosphere overall for the neighborhood to make sure that the permanent residents didn't feel intruded upon by our tenants. Obviously we wanna make sure that as much as we wanna preserve the historical integrity of the area we'd also like to make sure that it's a comfortable and livable space for everybody involved. So that was the intention of the fence. And again, I do wanna apologize. I was not aware that, I was not aware that the contractor I believe he's based out of where and I don't think he's worked in Amherst before. So I was not aware that he, I think there was a miscommunication between us about this need to come across your awareness first. So that would be kind of the, and please let me know if you'd like me to move to any slides but that would be sort of the general outline of our intentions and what was completed here. Thank you. So I'd like to hear now from the commissioners what their feelings are about this fence. Bruce. I think it seems like, I mean, it's hardly a historical thing of these fences and so forth, but it's matching something that was there. It probably hasn't been there for a huge long time but it's consistent with what's there. And I think that probably is a basis that's reasonable. The only thing that I would, I don't know whether we can ask but if it had come to us before it was built I might have paid some attention to the transition between the four foot and the six foot. It's simply a dramatic abrupt step up. And the way this is usually done is there's an incline from the lower level to the, so that that rail that just comes straight out and ends in space, the upper rail on the last section of fence would be made to slope down and butt into the top of the lower rail just behind the four foot high post. And then the stockhead fencing would be trimmed accordingly so it would gradually go up on the slope. Yes, exactly, just like that. That would be the only thing from my point of view that I would have asked to see differently. And that would have been my opinion at the time. Thank you. I certainly agree with you. It looks very strange the way it abruptly jumps up and it doesn't follow the lay of the land which actually does go downhill rather than up. Yeah. Right, and we're happy to make amendments as well if you feel that that would be a pretty simple fix to adjust a couple boards to make a smoother transition. That is something we're more than happy to take care of. Other thoughts from other commissioners? Greta's got a hand up. I'm sorry, I can't see everybody. Greta. Yeah, I agree with Bruce and Nancy. I think it looks really awkward and since it would be a really easy fix, I suggest that. I appreciate that you used spruce, that used wood. It also looks a little raw to me. Now I know that the understanding is that you put the nice side facing your neighbors but I wondered if the side facing the road could be made to look less raw. I don't know if anybody has any ideas on that but I definitely think the transition should be changed. And I appreciate the idea that it will prevent people from walking through the neighbor's yard to big one. Yeah. Other thoughts? Yeah, I mean, I was gonna say, would the post be cut to match the top rail? I mean, that's difficult once installed. You know, I'm not, yeah, I don't have any other suggestions. I was gonna just, I was gonna share my screen quickly. I took some pictures that were in the packet. So here it is from the street. You know, here it is from, you know, when you're approaching on the street. So with the vegetation on the neighboring property, I know we have to exclude vegetation because it could be taken down but when there is foliage, it is not very visible. So it's mostly visible from, you know, the property side you know, and once you go by it, it's really not that visible. So, you know, this is the extent of it from front to back. Other comments? Betty? I think it's fine. I don't have any comments on it other than that, you know, the meeting of the four and the six Heights was abrupt. And if you can fix that, that'd be terrific. Do we need to put that into some as one of the conditions or does it, do we just accept that they're going to do that? No, it needs to be written into the condition of the certificate. Are there public comment? There's somebody, Shane Miliere would like to speak. I was thinking from the three people, well, I know what Hill is here for, but before we were to make a motion or something, is there is somebody in the public who wants to make a comment that might affect the outcome of things? Nate, we can't hear you. It appears to raise their hand, I don't know. Yeah, it appears, it appears not. That being the case, I will move that the application for a fence that, and that Nate, you can certainly address is fearing, found consistent, et cetera, with the goals and the provisions of the Local and Structure District Commission bylaws and that we approve a certificate of appropriateness conditioned on the fence transition between the four and the six be made less abrupt by cutting the fencing to an angle, to creating an incline to transition between the height differential. Do we have a second? A second. All right, take this to a vote. Then, Karin? Yes. Rita? Yes. Betty? Yes. Bruce? Yes. Steve? Yes. Nicole? Yes. And I approve also. So we will grant you that certificate with the proviso that the transition be fixed. Gotcha, we will make that amendment. When we do make that amendment, would you just want images just uploaded to the online appropriating portal just for your review? Would that be the best way to submit that over to you guys? What are your thoughts, Nate? Yeah, that'd be fine if you just uploaded it through the OpenGov software. Okay, well, we will schedule that out to be amended. And then when we have some photos and some images of the amendment, I'll submit that for your review. Okay, all right. Thank you, Katharine, for coming to the meeting and for sharing with us your plans for the time. What else do we have, Nate? That was it. I think, like I mentioned, there's a few other applications waiting. That would be heard in November. I didn't have an update on the bylaw. That's something we still can work on. ECM-erced CPA proposal was submitted. And it will be under consideration by the committee if Steve had submitted it. So I'm not sure there's any other announcements or anything. All right, so we've established that we will meet again on November 20th at 3 p.m. Oh, so may. I can't come on November 20th, so. Okay. Sorry. I can be here, but I'm gonna need to do a bus pickup. So like whatever voting if you need for quorum, I probably gotta leave here like 340. All right. And again, I won't be here or so. Okay. You have to schedule without me. Yeah, as long as we have a quorum, for 45 minutes or an hour, that would be fine. We can always continue something or hopefully the Fearing Street one comes back and it's pretty straightforward. The other one is another fence in on North Prospect, which I think will be pretty straightforward as well. There's other things happening outside compressors. There isn't a big project necessarily, but small changes. Okay. Good. Can I ask one quick question? So, Nate, are we moving ahead with the parking amendment changes for the bylaws? That is moving at that, right? Yeah, I'll bring language in November. Yeah, I mean, it's something in the building commissioner I are looking at. So we have draft language. We've been going back and forth a little bit, but that is something we'd like to add as well as defining a structure to include, like I said, a drainage or other engineered engineering solutions. So what we're seeing, right, are, I mean, it kind of captures a now, we just want to clarify, right? If someone puts in an overflow structure that's concrete and fiberglass, that actually is a structure. And so the way the structure is defined in the bylaw, it kind of, it says a bunch of things, but we want to just call out a few others just so that it's also to help an applicant know so that they're not interpreting, you know, what is an artifact and edifice or, you know, whatever words we're using, right? It's clear that these things are considered structure. So it's not just like a, we have a pretty blanket statement. And so we just wanted to add some phrases to that definition. Okay. Checking. Do we have any other old business or new business needs to come up? I don't think so. I did reach out because Bruce is remaining on the commission, but, you know, he's here, but maybe he wouldn't be at some point in the, so I've reached out to the Western mass society of architects or I forget their acronym or what they're called, but they will put it in a newsletter, which may have gone out recently asking if there was anyone from Amherst who would want to be interested in this commission. And so typically we have to seek a registered or a licensed architect. And then if that doesn't work, we could bring someone else on, but, you know, Bruce is remaining on the commission, even though his terms expired, the bylaw says that and it's allowed, but, you know, if we had someone who was, could take Bruce's place, I think he's mentioned before that he would step off. And so we're trying to, you know, we're initiating that search, it becomes difficult when someone's practicing and they live in town and then there's a lot of times where they might have to accuse themselves or not be involved in review. And so it just, it's actually difficult to find someone that meets the criteria. I've reached out to four, I've interviewed four different architects in preparation and at first they're interested and then, you know, you know, the people that they're going up again for the people they want to be hired on. So it's really hard. Yes. He lost without Bruce. I don't know if you don't have any willingness, you don't want to, I totally understand, but you don't want to do it anymore. I mean, if you could get another term. Oh, I'm willing. I just think that there ought to be turnover on committees a little bit at least. I mean, every so often you see people who've been chair of things for 20 years and you, you, it's, that's not going to do the committee any good. Yeah. Your expertise has been really useful on this committee, Bruce. So thank you for continuing to serve. I agree with that. Yeah, I know we'd be lost without you. Well, that's nice to hear, but I'm good for the moment. Good. Do we have a motion to adjourn? Yes, I usually initiate that by clicking the leave button. So Hilda's raised her hand. Oh, really? Just now, Hilda, you can unmute yourself. Well, mostly public comment, I gather. And I have a comment that's not exactly what you want to hear, but I have a terrible time writing up accurately what happens at these meetings. So this one went by slowly and I could get lots of pictures. But I've gone online for Starkel Commission last week and this one this week and there have been no packets posted. And obviously you people had all the information. So there is a packet. How are we going to solve this problem if the press gets accurate information from you guys? So my screen's shared. Is that visible for everyone? Yes. Yeah, so the packet gets posted. You have to, if you go to the commission. That's there. Yeah, you send the link and then you go here. I know. And there was nothing. I didn't get to go down to 9.21. That's the last one. Yes, I had the same problem, Hilda. Yeah, I had the same problem. It was down at the top. Yeah, it was at the top. Yeah, I couldn't find it. Oh. It was hard for me. It took me a while to figure that out. Yes, I couldn't play our software. Web software works. You can't. I couldn't figure out a way to put it down at the bottom. It goes through because everybody else does. So then you can find it. Yeah, it's crazy. I know it's. They really ought to understand nesting. But I will, you know, I mean, last week's meeting went by so fast, I couldn't get any pictures that were any good. That's the historical commission. Had that one been posted? It was there. I'll have to look more carefully. But I will. Yeah, I just showing, please excuse it. But you got you. Yeah, I want to, I was going to email Athena because the council might post it differently so that you don't have to, you know, the way most committees work, you have to go to the document center and you have to click through all the folders to get to the meeting folder. So even if there was a link sent, it only brings you to the generic one. You have to go down to 2023 and then the date and everything. Yeah, you go right to the meeting itself and then we could post it on like on the commission's website or something. But I know we try that with the planning board and it didn't work. And so, you know, I don't know if it's the software we use or. But I'll look into it because I do think it would also be easier for the members. The problem with the planning board, I don't know whether it's fixed or not. All the documents are in one big long thing. So you can't easily get to what you're looking for. But I don't know if that's still true. Well, I gotta go. So I will, I will leave now. Okay. My brain just can't keep up with technology. I think we've had a motion to adjourn. So I'll look at that, though, just to see if there's a way it can be posted differently. But it might be a limit of what our sort of software does. Yeah, you don't send it separately to each person. They go to the website to find it. I'll say that the packets posted and I send them a link to that generic and click through it themselves. So the link you send today, Hilda, to Chris and I, that's just the one I send out to the commission and they have to click through it themselves. I don't, there's no other way to get there. There's usually a link from the town calendar that brings you to the website where you can click most recent packets or whatever. Yeah, so I'll look into that to see if there's a different way we can post it. Okay, are we ready to adjourn? Steve? Yes. Nicole? Betty? Yes. Karin? Yes. Yes. All right. The meeting is adjourned. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you all. Bye-bye. Thank you. Bye-bye.