 Awesome, so I'm gonna start with a quick introduction. Welcome everyone if we are meeting for the first time My name is Habiba from the trekking pals and this is our weekly live stream on Instagram We've been doing this for the past three months We're bringing travelers from all around the world to share their travel stories and their Travels around the world and today. I'm so excited because I'm joined by Iman and Mehdi from Wild Curly's welcome Thank you. Thank you I'm very excited to to meet you guys virtually and I really admire a lot of your travels And I can't wait for all of the folks who are watching us today to hear about your stories and to get to know you today Sure, sure. We can't wait either. Riyo, come over here. Oh, Riyo is joining too Hi, Riyo. This is our little puppy. His name is Riyo. Hi, Riyo. All right, so let's get things started here Iman and Mehdi if you guys want to go ahead introduce yourself Well, your travel story, how did they all start and then we'll take it from there So Mehdi and Iman, we were a couple we've been married for six years already and We both enjoy traveling. We enjoy your trails. We enjoy all kind of adventures actually We met About ten years now. Yeah, ten, twelve years. Ten years. We've been both working for this International organization called ISEC for the ones who know what it is So it's it's about like social work. It's about leadership. It's about public speaking I mean, we developed a lot of a lot of these skills among young Moroccans and also internationals So we met in a conference and we kept in touch We became friends also for some time and then we discovered both that we love the same things and like traveling like climbing mountains and Yeah, all the outdoors. So we've been we've been trying all of that for the Yeah, please seven years now Awesome and that's for for those who don't know you here you are originally from Morocco and you're currently living We're in born and raised 100% Moroccans. Yeah, I mean currently we We were living in France, but yeah, we're definitely Moroccans born and raised in Morocco and now living in Europe Awesome, it's always exciting to see Moroccan couples who travel together I didn't get to see a lot of that growing up. So when I found out that you both are Moroccans like yes, that's super power Cool, so how did you get into travel how that travel bug hit you when did you start traveling in your journey? So For me personally, I first started traveling in Morocco So within the country with my parents and that's how I became really interested in discovering new cities new towns and See new landscapes because you have so many different landscapes in Morocco And then thanks to my parents again I had the chance to travel abroad to see new countries So I saw Thailand and Tunisia first and that's how like I said, okay, I need to do more of that I need to see the world Especially when I went to Thailand, it was amazing because you know, it was the first time I went to Asia I was still young and it was completely different from what I've known for the past few years So that's how it started And then it kept going on with Isaac so the organization that made it all do about I Had the chance to go to Russia for a few weeks And I stayed there in St. Petersburg and I just loved it again So that's how it started and then we kept doing the same once we met For our honeymoon and then just for you know each time we had a few days off We would like say let's go somewhere not necessarily far away But if we could we could go somewhere a bit far to discover a completely different new culture we would and if not We would just go to the next town to see something different. So that's how I I lived it. Yeah, that's my I think both of us are curious We both curious we both like we enjoy actually meeting new people enjoy hearing their stories learning from them And we enjoy so this cultural diversity and you know All that comes with we're traveling not only the you know Not only the hotels and the good places where you just chill and and enjoy your time but also the part that you get to learn things about people about the culture about the place and Yeah, that's awesome Do you guys I'm just out of curiosity do you guys get to travel a lot with Rio as well? We Yeah, yeah, I think he's been four countries maybe already He's one year actually we just got Last last February. So he's he just completed his one year and we get to travel Presents itself sometimes it's difficult for example when we're planning to go to Africa to months ago already So we were planning to go to Cameroon and then to Gabon But we were afraid that we if we take him, you know, Africa things are not always Straightforward not always the rules are not really clear So we're afraid that we can have some trouble with them And we will have to either cancel out trip or have to send them back So that only time that we we didn't travel with you But yeah all the time whenever we get to travel we take him We chose this this little puppy actually it's a breed that doesn't grow so we could just put him in backpacks or we can put him in in in in a And then we just we just hit the road and he's full of energy So I mean what we try to do is to adapt our travels So usually when it's just the outdoors, it's really easy for us to bring him along But it's true that when we travel some place where we have to take public transportation or go to some Close doors basis. It's a little bit more tricky But we try to adapt our travels accordingly and we love the outdoors. So that's just another excuse for us to go out there There's a comment from who that she's saying that Rio seems so happy That's really sweet. So I'm curious to hear more about your trip in Turkey I've been following you even before the trip and I know that it's something that just happened last minute But it looks like you guys have a wonderful time traveling in the country Tell us more about that trip. Tell us about the planning and what are some of the places that you visited within Turkey? You So, yes, definitely that was not planned at all So as Mehdi was saying initially we were planning to go to Africa So to Cameroon and to Gabon but because of COVID and the the restrictions our flights were canceled and then so we had I think three or four days to decide on where we wanted to go And Mehdi had the idea. I said, okay, why not Turkey? Actually, what I did I just went to Skyscanner and put let's go anywhere and I found the cheapest flights So, yeah, I mean Turkey was not expensive We didn't need visa to go to Turkey and we just booked our flights two or three days before departure and we bought the book with all the information about the country and we didn't really do Much planning before we just the thing we did is that we checked the main place We wanted to visit just to have an idea What we were sure or certain of is that we didn't want to stay in Istanbul for too long or in big cities So we wanted to visit Istanbul But we mostly wanted to visit the area and the rest of the country. So we just draw an itinerary And I think we did maybe around 10 cities or something like that. So that's how it's like a frame You know, we wanted to do like a frame around the around the the country And we didn't do much of a planning which is has some inconvenience But also have to have the advantages to have this flexibility. We just Decide where you want to go and it just hit the road and go discover the place and the good thing about it Is that the people who are following us? They were giving us a lot of advice like if you guys are there you should visit this place If you guys are there you should visit this place. So this is how we went and pretty much Do you have the planning? Yeah, okay. So this is what we did So that's what we did We just went to the map and we wanted to do like a tour around this around the country That's all with it with some clips that we put here. We put the prices also of the transportation the names of the cities and That's it Once there needed we needed to follow this path But around the path. There are a lot of places that we didn't even mention in our planning And we just followed the advice and we were really happy to go there because some really beautiful places there It started from Istanbul. We spent we arrived to Istanbul on the 13 31st at midnight So it was like party all of it all over the place and it was huge and then the following day we just We just so we cymbal like just quickly just went to the main attractions or the main places And then the following day we went from Istanbul to Chonakale so Chonakale is the city around the 400 300 kilometers Yeah, and Chonakale is known for the for the you know the movie Troy with bracket It's it the Chonakale there is this this this place called I mean that this it's not a city now It's just ruins ruins with the with the with the with the Troy. Yeah, historical site of Troy So we get to visit Troy and then on the way back we saw that it was Already like 5 p.m Turkey what is good about Turkey? It's really safe. I mean just look for a spot You put your tent you pitch a tent and then you spend the night and you have dogs like following you all over the place They'll protect in you actually because they're used to humans Then from Troy we we were talking to this friend from Turkey who said, you know, you know guys If you go into Chonakale, if you went to Troy you should maybe keep going to Asos We never know about asos before But the only way to go to asos is either you you rent a car or you hitchhike Isn't it? There's no other other way to go there. So we went to the went to the highway who walked like four kilometers and then we started hitchhiking and There was this really really nice guy from from the Netherlands He saw us hitchhiking and he Did like a detour and he said, you know guys I used to hitchhike a lot in when I was younger So I can take you whenever you want. So he just took us through to Asos and then and then and then we We enjoyed asos asos was it? We enjoyed it much more than Troy honestly because Troy was kind of flat Just a bunch of rocks. I mean It has a history behind it, but it was flat. There was nothing to see actually just gotta imagine You just imagine that they were walls there that they were entrances and that's that it's all imagination But there's nothing crazy that you could see but in asos. We definitely enjoyed ourselves more there Yeah, just a question I was wondering just for people who are watching us How much time did you spend overall exploring the country because you're mentioning a lot of a lot of places a lot of cities How much time did you spend overall? We spent two weeks, but it felt like we spent months actually because what we were doing We were taking always the night bus so we'd save time So we spent the night that spent that spent the whole day Exploring the place either we spend the night in our tent if we think that it's worth to spend more time Otherwise we take the night bus and and we sleep all the night and then we start the day Yeah, and the next morning you open your eyes and you're like six or seven hundred kilometers From your point and that's that's that's great I like the fact that you guys are making this trip budget friendly because definitely when you are camping outside It saves a lot of money that you could be spending on accommodation So there were no regulation no restrictions as far as where you can pitch your tent and spend the night Not really. I mean we're used to that in France It's prohibited actually to pitch a tent anywhere because we have to go to the campings It's for safety reasons, but it's also, you know, there are restrictions and they just don't want you to do So we still do it in France even though it's prohibited We just hide we just can we know when it gets dark we pitch the tent like really Someone would when no one can see us and then early in the morning We're just back our stuff and then really and that's what we did in Turkey, but in Turkey. Apparently, it's really friendly I mean camping or let's say You can pitch your tent anywhere you want and we can ask people that have a garden They would say yeah, I can't come over it's and they're curious to see the foreigners traveling with them with the tent So it gives it the opportunity to have like really interesting discussions and and getting to know the people and stuff That's awesome. And the Turkey is known for for hospitality. So I'm sure that people are a lot friendly compared to other countries, right? I would say even more friendlier and more hospitable than Morocco. We're known to be really hospitable in Morocco Maybe also because we were not only in big cities we went to smaller towns But overall we always felt very safe. It was very secure and people were really nice with us Yeah, okay. So before we go back to your itinerary. I see a couple of questions in the chat here We will get back to the questions later on and we'll make sure that we address all of them. Okay, so back back to the itinerary So from from assos we went to a Salshook so Salshook is not an interesting city It's just a small city But there is Ephesus just few few kilometers away and Ephesus is one of the seven wonders in the world, which is really amazing So from Salshook, which of the night bus again woke up in Salshook had breakfast and then walked few kilometers Get to Ephesus Ephesus was just stunning. I mean that's I never imagined that I that I would see all of these great things or in Turkey because we don't know this This face or this part of Turkey. We only know Istanbul, you know the food the beaches you know, but this part of istanbul is full of history and It's something that Really amazed us once there in in that place we met this american who is He's his portuguese american and he's That was interesting because we met and at the entrance We started just talking and then the guy said, you know what? Why don't we just visit it together and then get to know each other? Why not who went there started again and the guy is about like 60 years old He's close to retirement and he was telling us that he's his second time in Turkey And he's planning to move to turkey for his retirement Wow, because yeah, because he loves the city He loves that he loves the place and he found that it's really affordable to get like a house in front of the beach And with his retirement pension, he could just leave like like a king in turkey. So that's awesome We've been really good time with him and then he took us that was the free ride again. He took us from Gürsen Şük to another city called Kuşadasi, which is really beautiful. Also, okay Awesome. So it's really nice to be able to meet all of these people from around the world and help each other It's the purpose actually. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I mean we met Turkish people, but we also may met several foreigners who were there And that's also nice. I mean you get to meet really different people with different backgrounds Which is definitely nice. Yeah, and we kept in touch with all of them So and this is when you realize that language is not a barrier actually because a lot of Turkish people don't even speak English And you're able to communicate with them. You're able to I mean just I don't know how how it happens, but we understand them somehow and they understand what we're saying so It was amazing Was that your guys's first time in Turkey or have you traveled before to to turkey? I've been to turkey before I've been there in 2010 But I didn't get the chance to see much because it was I was there for a conference. I mean with this association this organization I spent four days like working In borsa and then just for the sightseeing sightseeing istanbul But that's all I knew about turkey, but this time it feels like it's the first time that we we go to turkey actually Yeah, that's awesome. It was the first time. It was the first time and to be honest I didn't expect to see everything that we we see While traveling there and as you were saying earlier, it's so diverse. I mean there is the Oriental parts of the country, but there's also so there are so many historical sites That you would only imagine to see in Greece or in Italy for example, and you see like so many beautiful places and You know, it's so varied and different landscapes everywhere. So that was really nice. Yeah All the different things that we saw, yeah Were there any cultural nuances that you guys noticed that were pretty impressive or that you didn't expect in in turkey? Uh, I'm thinking about the when you want to give a tip To someone in morocco, they're like kind of expected to give them a tip whenever like they serve you everywhere, I mean Waitress is always expecting a higher amenity But in turkey was a little bit different. They were like, are you sure? It's like if you're giving them something big, you know, they're not really expecting it from you And when you do for them, it's an important gesture and they don't want it. They don't want it at first They would say is it halal. I mean that's only what we understood Halal, is it okay? I mean is it really you really want to give me a tip and then we say, yeah It's the one they want to get Especially if it's a big tip like you get along with the person and you want to, you know Give them a little bit more than usual. They say like, are you sure is that halal? You know, is that okay and and then they give you something for free afterwards say Give us a tip. Hold on. Hold on. We're gonna make something for you and they just give you something else Like a sandwich or you know something to eat or to a souvenir or so on, you know so I think that was Main thing that I remember Other than that, it's pretty similar to our Moroccan background. I I guess Some things are similar some other things. Yeah, I mean you just learn them on the way but it's um Yeah, there's only this This diversity because in Turkey you get to see you know when you go to our countries You see a lot of mosque You see a lot of people, you know with the hijab with the with the bears So you see that you know, these people are really religious In Turkey, you see like Both extremes. I mean you can you find a guy with with a big bird I mean like that and and speaking to to a guy with a lot of tattoos And then there is a there's a Transgender just coming and saying hi and moving forward and people are really so open about all of that Which which is quite surprising because even in europe There are a lot of taboos about certain things like for example, you know The people would still ask questions would be like, you know, when they see someone They would judge them by their looks in turkey. You don't feel that people are quite judgmental, you know Yeah, especially in Istanbul. That was that was quite surprising for us. True. I mean even To Paris, which is like the you know the capital Uh, we totally definitely felt a difference in Istanbul. I was like even yeah, it was more open actually more open Yeah, like you could be a different people and like it's okay to be different and You can wear a scarf and another girl could just wear a very very tight skirt you can have a Transvert trans person just walking by you and it's ultimately fine and people talk and it's okay I mean, they don't feel like judgmental or they mean they're they're like, you know, feeling uncomfortable Just having each other With with all these differences. So that was that was I mean We're aware that it might be different in smaller towns or in the east of the country definitely But you know taking a big town like Istanbul or Antalya, for example Yeah, we definitely felt really comfortable there and it was so accepting of people Yeah, that's interesting because the turkey is a very hot destination a lot of travelers I know that for morocco It's the a hot travel destination because there are not a lot of restrictions for visa and such But even here in the u.s. Because especially solo travelers especially for women who travel solo They feel a lot safer in turkey compared to other countries in the middle east or or age out. She's great Yeah, yeah, definitely All right, so uh, we'll start taking a look at some of the questions Huda has a question for you. She's saying how do you guys organize yourselves? Get motivated to make many trips along with work and daily life duties Do you make like targets this month? I should see two new towns or how do you go about managing and planning? uh I would say There's not a lot of that actually we don't we don't do a lot of planning We just know that every whenever we have time we've got to do something We can't just stay home. For example, we don't have tv. I mean we have tv, but we don't even watch it it's just Most of our time we just like we like to discover new places and we know whenever we have time we gotta go somewhere So we have places in mind. For example, I really want to go to russia just to see how it is We want to go to to africa definitely. We I mean iman is is kind of the expert in africa She's been there for so too many countries in africa. So I want to go to africa To discover some some countries Iman she wants to she wants mainly to discover eastern europe because uh, she doesn't know much about these places I've been living there. So I can show her around Asia Asia, so we have places in mind so many countries But at the same time whenever we have like every weekend, for example, we know that we gotta do something Every weekend even in france here if we have get the chance to go somewhere that we've heard of that It's a good place. We just go there I mean, I think that's how I you know perceive things is that you don't have to wait to have Like so many days to travel somewhere far If you have just two or three days off or you know, just a weekend Try to discover something new because you might live in in an area But there are so many places that Are still there to discover So that's what we try to do when we don't have much time because we work. Unfortunately, that's you know, we have to work So we can't just keep traveling like this every month. But what we do is we try to go High cane or biking or just go into a different town. We prefer the outdoors So usually it's something in nature rather than just a town But we just go we just say we need to go this weekend, for example, and then we There's not much planning actually and you mentioned something really amazing is that we always Try not to spend a lot of money whenever we because the less we spend We give ourselves more opportunities to do more things. So We're really careful about the spendings for example when we go somewhere We just try to get either accommodation for free or even food if we try to if you get it for free That's amazing. If we don't get it for free then you pay for it. But Yeah, we try not to to be overspending whenever we go somewhere that allows us to do more actually I mean even sometimes we cannot just camp because you're in a town or city where you're you can just pitch your tent So we try to find the cheapest hotel, you know to find the right Uh Combo between comfort and budget as well because we just spend the night there. We don't spend the whole day So we just need somewhere where to sleep and be safe Usually it doesn't It doesn't cost much. So that's what we try to do All right, and I like what you mentioned Eman your your adventure doesn't have to be far away Sometimes you can just explore the trails that are nearby and that itself is is a great way too to explore the outdoors and such I mean sometimes we go just for a weekend just overnight, you know We go on Saturday and we come back on Sunday and it feels like we've been out for Four or five days because it's somewhere completely new in the middle of nowhere, but it's not too far from home. So Yeah awesome So I saw that you are Planning or preparing for a big race. That's also happening in Turkey I want to know a bit more about that. That sounds really exciting That's something that we learned actually on our last day in Turkey. We went back to Istanbul and we We get the chance to meet an old friend from Eman of Eman She got in touch with us. I mean she hasn't seen Eman. I think for seven years since 2019. Yeah, yeah Since graduation. So yeah 2019 2014 She said, you know what guys? I mean, Istanbul if you if you don't have a spot if you're not planning you can come to my place and we went we met We met her we spent the night the following day We were supposed to to just go see some other people that wanted to meet us and we met this who was Who's a trainer actually in her gym She doesn't speak in English But we again, we were able to communicate and she told us, you know guys, you would be maybe would be interested about this race It's actually crossing the both for us And it's like 6.5 kilometers and it's done every year and you said Tell us a little bit more about it said well you go to this website And then you just register as as you want to you want to do it The only the really catch here is that you have to train because To get accepted you have to do like 800 kilometer 800 meters and they're 15 minutes So that's the thing. So we said, you know what? Let's take the challenge and let's go back to Turkey just to cross that that was for us. It's a cross continental swim I mean during covid they stopped it And now for example the next this year it's going to take place But there is a quota for Foreigners and it's I think it was gone after 30 minutes or an hour. They opened it for 30 minutes. It was already Yeah, so the plan for us is to register for next year. So basically we have one year to prepare It's not going to be easy, but we're really looking forward to it because it's too long, you know Like 6.5 kilometers. We never thought we'd do that. Wow, but Barely swim one kilometer actually in this room 6.5 is gonna be it's gonna take us Yeah, several hours to complete but We really want to do it and the good thing about social media also is that when we announced that we wanted to do this this challenge We got in touch with with nor who's a moroccan athlete. Actually, she's she's she's a professional swimmer and now she's Showing who does like tips and programs that we could follow in order to get in better shape and and in I mean just to be ready for the 6.5 kilometers, which is which is amazing and she used to live in turkish She knows about it and she used to train with the turkish team there Swimming swimming team. So she's given us training program that we're following and it's it's really fun Wow, that sounds amazing. I wonder if you guys are the only morocans in that competition Do you know if there are any other morocans? But I don't know. I mean, I don't I'm not sure there are so many morocans, but yeah, we'll look into it I mean since the places are limited Maybe maybe we will be but we Yeah, we'll try to to know. Yeah, we'll check that Well, we we're going to be rooting for you guys. You you have to go and kick some ass Yeah, we'll be wearing flags moroccan flags, you know in there Yeah That's awesome. This is exciting. It's it's always fun to travel with the purpose I think that seeing new places is good and staying in hotels or going to see, you know monuments and such But if you travel for a big challenge like this, it's more rewarding. I feel like That's for sure. That's for sure awesome, so We've been going for about 30 minutes. I think we still have some time now For someone who's traveling to turkey for the first time No matter where in the world they're coming from they're new travelers What are some of the tips that you have to to share with them? Not about the itinerary and places to visit but just safety tips and then things that they should keep in mind Something that I think is important, especially if you're traveling on a budget is to take the bus They have an amazing bus system The roads are really good. So you don't have to rent a car or take Flights to go from one city to another one So we did a lot of that. We took several buses and it went really well They also have a lot of public transportation options So it's better to then to just take a taxi for example tax a cab can be Convenient, especially in the really expensive, but it's more expensive And you find and there's a lot of scammers also You know, they would they would just like overcharge you because you're a foreigner You don't know so they would they would find a way to overcharge you an example of that when we arrived to chanakale And we had to go to troi We asked a cab driver how much we would pay if you take us there and he said 200 lira And then we were dolmus So it's like a mini van and it takes you from one place to another and it was 15 per person So 30 liras for both of us instead of 200 so Just an example and that's how we learned that we should just go and ask and check the prices before we do that So that would be one of the tips that I would give it's just to Take the bus and each hike if you can if if you don't find any other option It's easy and it's not expensive. It's very cheap Um, okay I would say don't spend too much time in in in istanbul because most of the people when they go to turkey They go to istanbul and they stay in istanbul and there's of course there's a lot of things to see in istanbul But there's not all the istanbul. That's that's that's my point. I mean, there are a lot of great places that were the visit and and spending time Trying to to to see these places that are worth it more than istanbul Most of my friends when they go to turkey and we start talking They say that they only spend like 10 or 15 days in istanbul You know going from music to museum going because the istanbul is really interesting But don't fall in a trap in the istanbul trap, you know keep going going going and then you spend the whole the whole time in istanbul That's something that I would I would give as an advice Safety wise The country is pretty safe Uh, I'm gonna tell you just a little story that that happened to us the the second day in istanbul Uh, we couldn't find accommodations. So we're trying to find rb and bs. I mean the cheapest options And we found a place, uh, not far away from the center from the tuxim And we we though the place looked fine. We went there. We Even the room was clean the people were nice And then the following day we were taking the bus from istanbul to chanakali so In the morning to we we we booked uber so uber came it was a taxi And when he told me he said well, I think it's a girl who booked the the taxi Said yeah, it's my wife. She's coming over and then while discussing with the guy He said if if I knew he was a guy, I would not have come here. Well, I what are you guys doing here? Because apparently we were in a place where drug dealers are located We're a lot of you know, it's it's really dangerous spot apparently, but it didn't feel that way. So But again coming from morocco, maybe we have a different perspective of what safety is, you know We would now we expect the worst. I mean in morocco we Some places don't don't don't look dangerous to us, you know, because they're just But maybe to some others They are they're not they're not safe But from our experience, it's it's really one of the safest countries we've been to. Yeah, it's like the backpack story Yeah, we have another story. I mean if we keep going with our stories, we're not gonna finish with me So So as I said, we traveled a lot by bus Um, and so this time we were coming from cappadocia And going to an farm And we took a bus. I think it was like a four or five hours Our drive and we had our backpacks In the how do we call it? Okay in the trunk So we arrived to an farah We get down and we're looking for our backpacks and there was nothing like it was all empty And I mean mentally we had all valuables with us, you know the camera money passports, etc But all of our clothes and stuff everything was there Uh, and so we didn't understand what was happening. So we asked about our backpacks and they They they were like, okay, just wait a sec. They started. I mean we understood that they're gone Yeah, they said we don't know the backpacks are not there anymore So they didn't know where they were but they said, okay, just wait a sec. Let us make some calls And of course, no english. So it was a little bit Complicated first Haley made some not haley Yeah, that's the only word Yeah Um And then we were just waiting we saw that they were discussing and arguing at some point because there were two people And then just to sum it up One of the guys there's two words because like you have two words in the bus He took out our bags in another station because he thought that Other people I mean, there were other people's bags to come out just put them there and then they and they loved Well, they said, okay, uh, we will try to bring your bags, uh tonight 11 p.m And we were like, no, we have a flight today to another city and we cannot miss the flight And then we said could you maybe send the bags to istanbul Somehow we're losing hope actually we know that in our heads In our minds and said, you know, the backpacks are gone. We have our variables. We're not gonna ruin it We just keep going and then that's okay. That's that's what we thought We never we didn't think that they would bring them So we said, you know what just take them to istanbul when we come back. We'll see. Yeah And so yeah, that's we decided not just to keep going with our trip And we said, okay, we'll be back in three days to istanbul. So just send them And they did the like the conclusion is that we got to come back to istanbul We think about bags. I mean we were just like yeah intact Everything was inside They were not even open because we realized that we we actually forgot some valuable stuff there. So but they were not even touched just like that And we realized that the Turkish are really proud people and they are really really pay attention to their reputation They don't want to they don't want to they don't want to scratch it at all if something happens They feel more responsible about it than the new who lost the thing Yeah Safety I'm not sure if it happened in in France. I'm not sure I would see my back I'm really sure about that People gave us with for safety in istanbul. They told us just to be aware Yeah, be careful if someone speak really good english and tell you know what guys I'm gonna bring you somewhere. You're gonna have fun. Then be careful. That's that's the tip We didn't have the exact experience but we've been told that We've been told a lot of scammers who speak really good english and they just target foreigners and take them to you know To pubs to to to bars and then they they will have to pay for everyone because the scammer has like a deal with the bar With the place, you know, so it happens. We need a lot about that Wow, so what is it like with the authorities in the country? Let's say you are in a situation where you need help from from the police. Is it easily accessible? Um, are they reliable? Do you think from from you? I mean not that you were involved I mean we're not involved But we we we learned from our friend who lives there for like nearly two years now That there is an app on the phone That you just install if you have a problem just click the app And the and the police will come over right away for women mostly like if you're harassed by a man Anything if anything happens you just click the button and the police just come right away and it works And it works apparently That's amazing. Do you guys remember the name of the app? No, but we can we can share it. Yeah, we can share it later on. Yeah And also we noticed that you for example when we arrived it was midnight on the 31st of december So, you know new year, uh a lot of policemen were there But it might seem scary at first because you see a lot of people and a lot of policemen You're just wandering around but it's actually safer you feel safe because everyone has to be you know in check and in line And they make you feel safe because they're here You see you feel that they're here for a reason and it's just to protect you in case there is something bad happening That's awesome with our backpacks and they They came over and I don't know what they thought that we had in I mean understand them But they said you know what guys we need to control your backs because you're you know in a place and we don't know What's in the back so we're gonna make sure that everybody's safe. So yeah, there are a lot of police They're even like civilians. I mean you don't see them wearing their their their customs. I mean the police So just they just approach you and say no I'm a police. So I want to I want to see if everything's okay. I want to make sure that that you don't have anything dangerous for others Wow, and you guys No, sorry, I was just gonna say you guys had pretty heavy backpacks I was just looking at your photos and say wow walking in that for many days. I'll be done You you would feel how heavy they are when you're on an uphill So when we're doing there was a hike I mean several hikes that we did and at some point like Yeah, you would feel the weight on your shoulder But I think we got used to it somehow. Oh, yeah Because we did a lot of walking at first we walked for 20 or 24 kilometers a day So and sometimes we had the back backpacks with us all day long. So But we got used to it. Yeah Okay, so tell me more about what it's like to to travel as a couple When it comes to the planning when it comes to just You know interaction to wow the trip I know that traveling solo or traveling with friends is not the same as traveling as a couple Do you have moments of frustration? Do you have moments where there is a disconnect at some point? Tell me more about that And I think it happens sometimes but The things that we've been traveling for so long that we we have like our let's say our mechanisms, you know When something happens, we know how to deal with it The planning I know that it's iman is the best at planning. So I would I would never argue. I mean when she's planning to say we're gonna do something I just trust her blindly because She doesn't like better than anyone. I know When it comes to Arguing we're not the kind that argue a lot actually we we more talk But yeah, we have our differences sometimes. I want to do something she wants to do something else And we just need to find, you know, the right adjustments How do we deal with it? I think it's Just comes natural, but I think we we we got used to Let's say if if she wants to do something and I'm not really interested I would still do it for her, you know And same for you would still do it for me So there's this lady and comfort when someone doesn't want to go somewhere It doesn't want to do something but has to do it for the other but we kind of accept it. So And usually we like to win the same things. So it's really rare That also helps. Yeah, that helps a lot. Yeah, and we would discuss in something that we don't like no one will raise his voice I won't raise my voice. He won't raise his voice. So it's we're just gonna discuss about it in a calm manner And you know just but I think but I think we've been married for six years now. So it's it is no secrets No, you know all the mess don't drop. So we have like our Our you know our way how to deal with situations You know, they say that if you want to if you really want to know a person You got to travel with them. So and I think that's true because you get to see the person in different shades if we can say so and Since we've been traveling for a while together, we just like we we we found our comfort Traveling together. So we enjoy it and for us it's just a good thing to to do together. Yeah, that's awesome And I know that with some couples every couple is different But there are couples who would you know when you're traveling for a long period of time You will take days off you go and experience something and then the other partner go and experience something else. Do you guys ever do that? No We have this, I mean, I'm gonna give you a concrete example The first time we went to the u.s together She wanted to see you want to go to Broadway to see the Lion King And I wanted to watch it and be a game She had no interest in my NBA game and I had no interest in the Lion King But we still did it together because At some point we say, I mean if I don't know for us. It's true, but I don't know if it's I mean happiness not only really when he shared So I would still share what she wants even though if I have no interest in it And maybe I would change my mind and I changed my mind actually but with the Lion King. It was amazing So that's that that's the thing actually we As it's hard to answer this question because we've been knowing each other for so long and we'll be married also for for Six years now. So it's That's awesome For sure. There were some adjustments to make in the beginning I was before the live stream I had to go to your profile and go back in time just to see what your travel style was like And I came across your photo from your marriage. I'm like, oh my god. I don't even recognize them. They look so different We're diving the curly Pushing the hair. Yeah But yeah, I mean we grew together with each other and We learned so many things new things and that's how it's not always easy. I'm not saying that it's easy And it's always like it's not perfect But but still I think when you have your habits and you know, you know, it's some mechanism to use, you know, just like We both are stubborn. So we have both the same flaws. We have both the same quality. So So sometimes it crush it. I mean, it's it's it's like this clash of ideas. I want We have some differences, but Let's say we we learned how to deal with it. Now we just We can't even say yeah, and I think communication is important I mean, we're still working on it's something that you keep working on for so many years But it's something important for us. So that's something we work on constantly That's awesome. And definitely like you said iman with the with travel You get to know people more and you get to make your relationships stronger, which is amazing Wow, I I don't know how time went by this fast. We've been going live for 48 minutes. So, um Yeah, so before we wrap things up, I want to learn a little bit more about content creation You guys create some valuable content on your instagram here wild curlies and also on your youtube channel Um, I've watched some of your videos and they are just impressive. Um, tell us more about content creation Do you just do it for fun? Do you have future plans with the content that you create? What are you trying to to do with your content creation? This one's for you. He's our youtube leader Which is the instagram That is getting really We actually We we travel we've been traveling for so long now But we realize that the memory that we keep is only on the photos, you know We have photos that we we have all over the place and some photos are completely forgotten about unless if we just go our computers and And we thought you know on our first trip when we traveled When we went on bike bike packing trip it was for 10 days and he was doing covid And at the same time we were sharing our stories, you know, just the stories on instagram And it was your cousin actually And he said, you know what all the videos that you made guys Well, don't you just like make a wrap up of all the trip and Let us watch because we have family like pretty much all of I mean in different places And just to share with us share with us what you're doing So in the beginning we just started doing it just to share with the family, you know This is what we're doing. This is what we did Etc etc etc And then we once we shared it We realized that a lot of people are interested actually when we're doing and we decided that we wanted also to provide value If we go somewhere, I want to give tips. We're gonna give Our opinion we also want to share the good moments that we spent there So we we bought a camera We bought a drone just to improve the quality And we started like just learning, you know, taking youtube tutorials taking the The footage learning how to put one after the other learning how to make the transitions Learning how to tell a story from the start to to tell the end And we got the chance also to meet with one of the Our greatest inspirations actually his name is Utman Zolati. I don't know if you know him Yes, he's a good guy. So the guy is just amazing and we got the chance actually to meet him in Turkey awesome The guy is just amazing. So whenever I need something just get in touch with him and he's always open He's he's give me he gives me advice and That's that's something that helps me improve the quality of the content and Regarding instagram, iman is is is taking care of everything from instagram point of view And we do it just for fun. I enjoy actually this this, you know I think we all have certain needs like food like like like enjoying our time But there's also the need of creating something, you know, just from scratch having something just having Like just unleashing the creativity And that's what I've tried to do with with with with editing with video editing And I'm enjoying it so so I'm not doing it for any purpose actually not planning to make a career a youtuber or something I'm just sharing, you know the videos with the people we know and hopefully if if if Why not? Yeah, I mean if people enjoy it and I would definitely do more To combine with work. Yeah It will post like a video every month or every two months. So it's we're not like doing like regularly or something But ideally, I mean works out. Uh, yeah, that would be something we could consider for the future for us Yeah, awesome. So for folks who are watching us and who are not following Eman and different wild curlies Go ahead and follow them on instagram and check their youtube channel I really like your long format videos. They are very inspiring and you get to see places in in france around in europe in general and in In turkey, it's really it's really nice Thank you. We have also been list of titles for the people who don't understand english because we speak moroccan in our videos It's a mix between france and moroccan as you might know So we try to put english subtitles for Because we have friends we have friends who don't speak the language But we were surprised actually how many people who don't even speak moroccan who who watch the videos Through the comments to the you know the messages that we receive the emails. It's yeah, it's it's it's really something that Makes us really happy about it That is so awesome Well, i'm so i'm so happy that we got to to meet you virtually and Hopefully we can meet in the future in person and Yeah, yeah, I really enjoyed this time went by so fast We have a few more minutes here if you guys have any last thoughts that you want to share with all of us here or Any parting words? Well, just do what you like if you like travel and just go explore your Neighborhood your city your town and your country, but just do something and just go out there and Yeah, that would be I think my I would only say that we only only live once and we're only young once So there are certain things that we can do at any age, but there are certain things that we can only do when we're young So these things that I mean by young I mean, you know young mentally and physically able to do harsh things So I think this is the time when you can do certain things And you have to do that not to have any regrets. That's that's our our philosophy for example when we travel and we do some certain like We choose certain places or we choose certain style of accommodation. It's something that we can do at our age I mean, it's okay that just put the pitch the tent and do it, but maybe you can do it at six years old The thing that I would like to say is the fact that if If you want to do something just just do it and and and And as long as you have the ability the physical ability to do certain things Just keep enjoying it because at some point we're not going to be able to do it Absolutely, it probably won't be that easy to lock that heavy backpack when you are seven years old This was for the hotels, you know with the sun and with the The the all the yeah the cocktails and all the Yeah That's awesome. Well, thank you so much guys. I appreciate your time So happy that we we got to to chat today and thank you to everyone who joined us today The live stream is going to be up on my IGTV if you want to go and rewatch it again And I'm so excited for your race. I will be keeping an eye out and make sure that you guys win For us, thank you very much. Thank you very much. We've been a pleasure actually talking to you getting to know your Virtually and hopefully we're gonna gonna meet soon and maybe we could do some some some some trip together Absolutely, we'd love to to meet you guys at some point. Thank you so much Thank you