 A very good morning to you and welcome back. Well, it's time for youth and politics. And this morning we'll be looking at matters related to Kibra mini-pole that is scheduled for 7th of November. Well, let's get to look at some of the things that have been happening. Well, after the demise of the Kibra legislator that is the late Ken O'Coth, the residents are now preparing for the mini-pole that is scheduled for 7th of November, which is exactly 23 days from today. And campaigns for the same have been really intensifying in the area and gathering quite a big momentum. They have been divided opinions from the political divide, primarily right after the handshake, while what's really happening will be looking at that later on. The seat has attracted 24 candidates as part is right now and has seen a campaign team pitch camp in the constituency, carrying out door-to-door campaigns. Well, two among them join us this morning. Alongside the political audience will be coming in in just a few. He's a bit late, but he'll be joining us in just a few. But I want to introduce my guest who are already here on set. Right next to me is none other than Felix and Iti. Thank you. We'll be talking to you later. Next to him is Shadrach Omondi, who is an independent candidate and also the independent collision chair. Thank you very much for inviting me this morning. Yes. Alright, it's nice to have you both of you. Kevin Oswago will be who's a political analyst. We'll be joining us in just a few. Let me begin by asking these. Let me begin from you Shadrach. Why buy for the seat? Is it for the interest of the Kibra residents or it's for personal gain? It is interest for the people of Kibra. And according to my manifesto, a first manifesto is to fight for the rights of people of Kibra and to protect them with their properties. What I'm trying to say is I want to bring change, change through the health awareness, change through education, environment, and give people of Kibra what belongs to them. Alright, we'll be talking deeply about your manifesto. And of course for you is also Shadrach or rather Felix. Felix, why buy for the seat? Is it for the personal gain interest or rather for the Kibra residents? Thank you, my brother Alex. I think first I want to congratulate Kenya for this week has been a week for Kenya. We have really made milestones from the Ineos, Kipchoga has made us proud and the incident in Mombasa, their recovery. So Kenya is a nation that is great and a nation that is great with great people. And I believe as youth we are to take this greatness to another level. So my name is Felix Anditi Awor, an independent candidate in the by-elections of Kibra. I'm vying for this seat because I want to see development. My agenda is simple. Auma, amani, umoja, maendeleo. Kenya has come from far and we thank God from where we have come from and where we have reached it is God because we have peace. At least people are united and our focus ought to be development. We should be now making steps in the line of development. So I'm vying for that seat because I believe it is our time to bring people together and let us focus on how we can bring development to the common one age there, whether it was to wait for Kibra, how they can get water, how they can get education, even tertiary, how they can get security and how we can also protect this national cake because it's not reaching to the people down there. All right. I want to come back to you, Shadrak. You have mentioned about your manifesto, which you say is include fighting for the rights of Kibra residents. Number two, free education and healthcare. And number three, Wama Makwanza fund and number four youths for free jobs. Number one, manifesto for the rights of Kibra residents. What rights are these? What have they been deprived of? You know, right? I'm fighting for freedom of living. Okay. Are they by any chance being deprived of it? Sorry? Are they being deprived of their rights to live there? Yes, because the reason why I'm saying this, Kibra first, it is the second largest slum in Africa and the international community, NGOs, World Bank, they've been funding a lot to the people of Kibra so that they should have affordable life. They should access the affordable life for each and all of them, by the way. But you find that that money does not reach down there. It is hanging somewhere in the cloud. So I want to show them and to tell them the direction where, how they can access whatever it belongs to them. You find right now, many people in Kibra, they are living in poverty, of which so where to now it is in credit, different now with Kibra. And you see World Bank, since 2014, they have been focusing on these two biggest slum in Africa. One is Soweto in South Africa, then the second one is in Nairobi, which is Kibra, where now I'm vying as a member of parliament. So in that case, I want them to realize their potential, to realize who they are and that's why I'm vying for them, fighting for them. Yes, Shatrak, there's something that you mentioned about their rights but my question is, you're talking about even the affordable housing, which is the government, it's a government project. How exactly do you, are you rather planning to change things in terms of their rights of living, in terms of their health, in terms of what? It is not me changing the life of my people, but it is me with them when we share the same feeling together. If I would be in the office, I would be partnering with the government towards to help my people, yes. Alright, let me come to you, we'll be coming back to you in a few. Let me come to you, Felix. You've talked about Auma and it's about Amani Umorjan Mandela and it's quite a broad thing. Peace and development. The government has come out clear. Even the deputy president the other day spoke about it, we'll be bringing the clip in just a few. He spoke about it and said that development can be accredited to the Jubilee government. How different will you do things? Thank you, thank you. Actually, development cannot come unless the people are one and that's why we see Kenya's development agenda, that is in the vision 2030, came in when the nation was united. That is the Honorable Muai Kibaki and Reila when he was the prime minister. They gave us the vision 2030 and we have seen from the handshake there's a lot of things that has been moving on. So development cannot be accredited to Jubilee party alone. Development is accredited to the leadership of the moment and that's when we have all the MPs, all the CS, the president and everybody working to ensure that the common manager there has felt a piece of the cake. So I'm saying that to say that in this season that we have before 2022, it is very important that we continue working together the county governments, national government in synchrony to ensure that some of these projects that we have at the constituency level and even what levels have been met, we cannot have development that is divisive, that these people will bring development at all. So when I'm talking about Auma, Amani Umoja Mindeleo, I'm simply saying that I want to partner with the county government and the national government, everybody, different parties, wherever they come from, even development partners to ensure that there in Kibra, we take care of the sewer lines. To ensure that there in Kibra, we are able to put a tertiary college, a community college for our youths who are there because most of the times education we focus on the primary and the secondary to ensure that we empower our business women. The small traders that are there in Kibra to ensure that roads are put there. Felix, are you not borrowing from the government's project about the tertiary institutions that the government is bringing up? Not really, I'm not borrowing from that because you see government has got its own projects but you see, now come and see what we are in Kibra, to not do and need your work, come at this community college, of course it is like a polytechnic but then we want to have a 24, not a 24, a college whereby after youths who are in Kuhaso, one is in the class junior, now we can't. Now we want to take a certificate, we want to take a diploma, now the performance is exceptional, can even go further and get scholarships. So that one, because we also have floodlights which are not working and some of these things, when we partner with the county government, we are able to affect them. We also have our development partners who are there and when we partner with them, we can see where the need is, where we can help so that they are also effective in what they are doing. We also have the urban roads, we have the county government and the national government, the roads in Kibra there, when we partner, we are able to make sure that our roads there are fine and also their welfare of the people there. Some of these projects when they come in there, the people sometimes, maybe they are not even compensated. There's a lot of things there. So when I'm talking about that, I'm not borrowing from the national government but I'm also saying that because Kibra, many things start from Kibra. When we put peace there, peace and unity, when we purpose, like now we know, even in these elections, in these politics, there's a lot of divisions that are coming in. Right, Felix, we'll be coming back to you in just a few. But there's a clip I want us to watch about Ruto, Ruto who was in Kibra the other day, he spoke about the Jubilee really being impacted over what has been happening and he says everything can be accredited to the Jubilee government. Let's have a look. I'm going to talk about Kibra. I'm going to talk about the Jubilee. This is just what the deputy president has to speak about, accrediting everything to the Jubilee government. Well, both Jubilee takes credit, as they say, and both Rayla or Dinga still says the same. But before you even take your reaction, of course our guest has just come in, Kevin Oswago. Oh, Oswago, yes, Kiribu Sana, she's great to have you. We'll be coming to you in just a few. I want to take your reaction, Shadrak, and ask ourselves, both the former Premier was for 20 good years, member of Parliament of Kibra. What did he manage to do, or rather what did he manage to do that needs to be done right now? According to me, I'm seeing nothing. They have done nothing. And that's why we children of Kibra were stunned by this time and said we have to stand firm and fight for what belongs to our people. What they really do is just doing business with our people and also saying false promises. They talk things which is not valid. What are these things that are not valid? You see, like now, Moshimiwa Ruto is saying that everything is being implemented in Kibra. It is by Jubilee. Everything which has been implemented in Kibra is being done with people of Kibra. Okot was a son of Kibra. You understand? And even my brother Felix here can be my witness. Any project which is undertaking in Kibra through the environment now we have Savkon. Savkon is the founder of Savkon is a son of Kibra. Now, what are these people doing in Kibra? They are saying that they have been doing this, that, this and that. Yet, even right now, as we talk, now you know this is a season of rain. We are really getting a big challenge in Kibra. You understand? Because sometimes water comes and flow and people get disaster in it. You understand? And even minus even the houses. You understand? So I have not seen any change from the Prime Minister and so-called the Jubilee right now. But they are there for their own interest and that's why themselves right as we talk they are fighting themselves, Jubilee and ODM day and night in Kibra. But we as independents, we said enough is enough and we are the sons of Kibra and we will soon farm with our people. That's why I tell you that my manifesto is to fight for the rights of Kibra. We need change for development. We need change for freedom. We need change for environment. We need change for education. We need change for healthcare. You understand? Let's ask each other, but let me first of all take Kevin's reaction towards these. Well, Kevin, you probably can just hand over the mic. Kevin, are the citizens of Kibra, I understand that you are also a resident of Kibra Are the citizens of Kibra ready to adopt a paradigm shift or we want to keep the old and usual narrative? Actually, Kibra is now leading to what is called a revolution. It's now leading to what is called a revolution. New tasks are coming up, the likes of my friend and ET and the other friend, which is good. It's really encouraging. It shows that Kibra has born and inbred leaders that are able to work actually to their people, to the people of Kibra. Besides discrediting Rayla Molo-Dinga in his role in Kibra as a member of parliament, Rayla has done a lot. We cannot discredit him. He is a factor that we cannot wish away with actually. He has done a lot in Kibra. What are the things that he has done? Okay, trying to analyse things that he has done. There are so plenty because in terms of schools and development he has actually contributed in one way or the other because we have to consider the history by going backward actually because remember CDF is a project that recently was introduced during his time even though they had so much power but the likes of CDF and they were not actually given priority as per now. So he has contributed both directly and indirectly in Kibra. It is that some of these factors cannot be seen because he had people who are around him whose job was to implement these duties and ended up sometimes failing him. But Rayla has contributed a lot because even democracy in itself, not only in Kibra but nationally these young men are now vying because of Rayla's democracy. What he has fought for. Alright, with that let me ask you Kevin. Are the polls, the mini polls that we expected on November 7th is it about who knows who or it's about the power of the manifesto that you have and the projected performance? Thank you for the question. That's a nice question. Manifesto, when you look at Kenyan politics it has been very much in line with who knows who. That's a factor that we cannot do away with because we've seen most of these MPs vying. They are in one way related or know the other person in power. Remember we have a big wigs who pull the blocks, the political gods who pull the block who define factors of the day. Equally you cannot underestimate you cannot say this without considering the fact that Uhuru Kenyatta even in his block he pulls the string. William Ruto in his block he pulls the string. Equally as Baba he pulls the string and at the end of the day he will have a say or his presence is forced to reckon with he has that influence and this will actually affect even the young leaders who are vying. When you consider manifesto, yes manifesto having manifesto is one of the best things but we realize that this manifesto after one has been given the opportunity he does not leave to his manifesto. These are just written documents that are copy pasted in order to appeal to the voters. Are you copy pasting anything? No. That's why I decided to be dependent. Not that I've been in the party. As he said that manifestos, I agreed with him that most of politicians of whom you are part of the politicians? I'm the part of the politicians but I'm not in the party. I'm independent and that means to me a lot to my people because I have no boundary of implementing my manifestos. I can do it anytime I want without any supervision without any boundary. You are reporting to a particular committee as an MP? Yes. You are still reporting to a particular committee so you are of course under someone's authority. But not that much to be into the party because the party is somehow strict. You are strict, you are ideological, you understand? Yes. And I'd like to ask, we'll be looking at the Marja but let me ask Felix, where exactly are we failing in terms of implementation? Because we have talked about it. We are just copy pasting of which I had even asked you before. Is it a matter of we get something from the top and then we paste it to the lower grounds? What difference do you want to give to the Cuba residents? Thank you. Allow me to start with commenting on the video you played. I think what the Honorable Deputy President is saying that every project is accredited to jubilee government is not in order because every Kenyan citizen has got a right to taste development and their arms, in development they are arms and yes, those are arms of the government, institutions of the government and all these other sectors. So the developments in Kenya are not accredited to jubilee but accredited to Kenyans have got a right for it. And those sometimes are divisive politics because now some parts fail maybe the superior than the others. They've done so much. Then on what you said about Rila being there for a long time, I think Mze has done enough. Very nice the way our brother has said and like I said, Kenya we have come a long way. We have come a long way. And I love this forum because we are youths and politics. And what will help us if we focus on the next, when Kenya will be 100 years, how are we going to take Kenya in the next steps? Are we just going to fall in the system of divisive politics and bad politics? Are we coming with change? That's why I strongly say that the history we have had, we thank God where we are. Now moving forward, we see how we can unite the country and in peace focus on the development agenda. So on what you have said about pasting manifesto. It's all about pasting manifesto because some of us leaders, emerging leaders, even in Kenya, they have a clean desire to make sure they serve the people, their people. But it's say that no matter what you try, he put it clearly that usually come up with these big manifestos, huge manifestos, by the end of the day you don't leave to your promises. Thank you. You kindly do not confuse. Some of us we are emerging leaders. Are you getting that? Because we are coming out of the genuine concern. These are our people, whatever affects them affects us. Are you getting that? When it is good with the people, it is good with us. Of which every politician says? Don't say every politician because we have politicians and we have leaders also. So politics is just a way of getting there. But when you're there, are you a leader? Are you able to serve your people? So we are not copy pasting, but we have genuine concern and genuine desire. That's why we are able to stand strong and to solve some of those things. What are those things you want to solve? We have youth groups there. Our youths are very down. They are not empowered. We want to give them even cow-wash machines. We have, like in Makina, the youth group there with a place. They need a greenhouse. They are youth group there in Lainisaba. They said, wow, what is that alone? What is the second hand? And some of these, we can even a part of CDF. Tunesa was Mamia. When they pay the loan, they take again like that, like that. So it is an initiative of the leader himself, the member of parliament. So you don't confuse us with the people of the day who are in the system of re-togressive politics going nowhere. There seems to be a gap between the old generation of leaders and the new generation of leaders. But that's not the question of the day. I'd like to come to you, Shadrach. There's this issue of who knows who, of which we see there's so much of support that comes from the people so-called who knows who. Is it, is this by election by any chance about who knows who? It's about the manifesto that you have. It's not who knows who, but it is who, who knows the problem of the people of Kibra by biologically. And what I can assure you that our people of Kibra, they are very smart. They know if you lie and they know if you real. So who knows who is only people of Kibra will tell on 7th next month. I see you wanted to comment on something. Yeah, I just wanted to comment on Ruto's take on development. As stipulated in the Constitution, everyone has a right for economic empowerment and development because we pay tax. You can't go to Kibra and tell them that it's NYS. At the end of the day, yes, every development will be attributed to government because it has that right. They mandate to see that people get the life that actually enjoy the life and government benefits. Because remember, government is all about social contract with the people. It's a social contract that in return, the people sign it in return that they put the government on the line. Then after that, the government compensates by providing the necessities that they need to help them live their daily lives. All right. I want to talk briefly about the merger. And of course, I don't know whether the clip is still ready. There's so much that you, Felix and Shadrak and alongside the team that you're trying to come up with. And I'd like us to play a clip that you are talking about the merger. I don't know whether the clip is ready. I don't know whether the clip is still ready for the merger. I don't even play the clip. You're talking about the merger for people, Felix and two other guys. Yeah. What is it all about? You know, as a children of Kibra, we realize that we have something in common. And as our brother said, Kibra, if you can see the face of Kibra now, it's a revelation face. So we decided to come together as a coalition. But we are not, we are still building our coalition to be firm, strong underground first. Then later we will say, OK, now this is where we are. You are the chairman of the independent coalition. Yeah. Apparently I'm the chairman. And the reason why we say that, the reason why we come up together is to show our people that we are not a politician, but we are leaders, very young leaders, whom had interest with their people, our mothers, our children, our brothers and sisters. And we want to protect our land. We don't want people from outside us. They come and steal and destroy and make things which is not an interest of our people. So I believe this coalition, it will work. So the clip talks about the merger and the collision merger and all that stuff. We have seen even parties merging. Even today we even have the Jubilee Party which has much, several parties. But my question is, in terms of performance, how will you perform? And yet if by chance you get to choose one of you as a flag bearer. Yeah. Our objective is to stop all these crooks who want to grab our land. And we choose only one person who is going to the parliament to fight for our people's rights. And that means that it will be a political historically that four brothers, independent, they are the one who are leading their people independently. All right? And it has never been happened in Kenya, especially in Kibla where we are because in decades, most of the leaders have been nominated there with the parties. All right. Let me come to you, Felix. And I'd like to ask you, what is this merger all about if it's not about, you know, working for the people? Why do you want just too much? Because independent candidates, it has never been hard of you merging. I want to say thank you. Times are changing. Like I told you, no one can work in solitude. So like our brother said, who's our interim chairman of the coalition, that we came together as the children of Kibla. And we knew that when we come together, number one, we can do campaigns in peace. Number two, we can support one another. Number three, when we come together, because that is the unity we needed and that's the unity that handshake brought. Unfortunately, it's like it's being broken again. So we are not only uniting for the elections, but we want to see how we can unite the whole country also, even as young leaders and the rest. So we are looking into if it is possible to maybe have to support one person. And I pray that my brothers will consider me. So it is the unity for the people of Kibla. Yes, not only for us, because we are stronger together. It is starting with us, because you see, you talked about, is it about who is who or about the manifesto. You know, Kibla does not want leaders brought. Some of these people bringing leaders, these leaders after they elected, they will serve the interests of the bringers. But Kibla wants one of their own. And that is what we want to solve. Yes. All right, Shadrak, let me ask this. What is the criteria that you're going to use in selection of the flag bearer? Not yet at the moment. So you have not yet set a particular criteria on how to select a flag bearer. Yes. And it's 23 days to the election. After two weeks before the election, we'll come out. After two weeks? In two weeks time now. We'll come out to the media, press conference, and then we'll let them, the one that God has chosen. And that is why I'm asking, what criteria will you use to select the person? I see. This is not yet laid down. Okay. All right. We will be coming and discuss that in details because it's quite a point of interest because we'd like it to be made clear. What exactly are some of the things that we'll be looking at at the candidate that will be, you know, taking the flag and, you know, working with you guys. But Kevin, do you think by any chance the merger will work? It's actually, it's to me, it's actually, the chance is 50-50. All right. Because when actually, by the look of things, the fact of merging means you are seeding your authority now. Remember. We no longer now have an independent but we have some independent parties coming together to form in a new, to come in with a new party or a new block. Independent body. Yes, an independent body now. So it's no longer now an independent thing but a collective now responsibility. Now. Of which they are countable to each other. Of which they are countable to each other. And remember, in politics, it's quite not easy, remember, because trust is one of the most important things. And when trust is not existing in politics, then the likelihood of merging and coming up with one independent candidate as their, yes, flag bearer is really null and void. It's very slim, actually. Because at the end of the day, one will have to be accountable to the other. And this will affect the independence of the other person. Actually, it's the three who will have to be accountable to the one who will be elected. Yes, who will be elected. We've seen the mergers and, following the history, even the Kibaki and Raela's, yes, and Kalonzo Musioka and Raela, some of them coming out to claim that they have been betrayed. And so these factors will not argue well, especially with the young coming, tasks like we, who actually, I'm certain, sure that who have no financial muscle. Because financial muscle, it was one factor to conceal in politics. And that's something I'd like to talk about, the financial muscle. How able are you, because I realize that you've been doing something called dot-do. How have you managed to hit all this? And how will you hit the campaigns that have been happening all over, the big huge campaign trains? I want to say thank you. Actually, we trust, you know, this merger did not come because of the elections of November. This was, like you're saying, considering this nation, when we come together. So it is just a beginning and does not mean we are coming together, even to support one. That is an AOB, to support one candidate. But we want to see how to unite the country. Yes, it's okay, uniting the country, of which it's an area MP. Yes, you see. But uniting the country, how true is that? I'm saying this, starting with Kibera. You know, if one is elected or not, the others are already leaders that we can work with to ensure that our people are united and also uniting the other people outside there. So it is something we want to see copied in the whole nation. Not just for self-interest, personal interest. In Maja, it's not really the main agenda. Putting that aside, you've asked about the finances. We have, like I'm doing door-to-door, I meet groups, and we may not have the strength of doing big rallies. But you see, not everybody from Kibera go to those big rallies. Not everyone in Kibera, even watch TV, by the way. And Kibera, it is not a very big, large land area. And you see, that piece is also helping. The people want to identify with you themselves. So the resources that you need, even to run in Kibera, is not as much as it may look. Actually, to be a leader, we saw the example of our brother, the one from Meru. The people actually saw he, what was Shakula, to Pelle Kenani. Are you getting that? Because even them, they know. It is just among them, Dio Mutu and Bayanezawa's idea. So any leader coming up, who's thinking that financial muscles is needed for you to be a leader, that is a very wrong perception. That's a very wrong perception. Let me quote the words of Moussel Moudavadi, who says this, that politicians are being taken as hotels. He came to Kisema about hotels. That's what he says. Actually, we have the clip. I don't know if it can play right now. Politicians are being taken as hotels. Yeah, very true. Why? You know, let's first listen to this. When the ordinary voter in Kibera says, who is a hotel? Who is a hotel? You know who it is. I don't even have to go too far in saying who is a hotel. But let's face it, is there anybody who is pouring money more than the Jubilee Party in Kibera? All that we are appealing for is a free and credible process devoid of extraneous issues like money changing hands. And we have signed, as candidates, we have signed a code of conduct. That is what Moussel Moudavadi is saying about, you know, who in a hotel? Let me respond. Please go ahead. Let me respond. Something Moudavadi has also said there is asking, is there anybody pouring money more than the Jubilee Party? But in Kibera, they are in need, people are in need. If you ask them, who is a hotel? Are you getting that? So, if what you are bringing, what you are coming with is money, what is your money? If you ask them, what is your money? What is your money? What is your money? I have money from Malaya, I have money from Mouizi, I have money from Ambassador, I have money from Pokelewa. I have money from my own family. In Kibera, there are millions of people in Chukua. There are millions of people in Chukua. But at the end of the day, they are fighting for money. People say, this is a hotel. Meaning, if you are fighting for money, if you are fighting for money, you will not have money. But if you are fighting for money, you will not have money. And if you are fighting for money, you will not have money. You see, you will remember later how I had to bring money. They want to select from them. They ask their own. It is funny for the interest of time. I would like us to do the party shot. I would like to begin with you, Shadrak. Yes. I want you to tell the people, the irresidents of Kibera, your parting shot as we wind up this thing. All I wanted to say to the people of Kibera. You can just look at this camera. All I wanted to say to the people of Kibera that we are strong and kicking. And as my brother said here on the level, Felix, you will not have money. You will not have money. But the real sense, we are the one. Another thing which I want to tell my people of Kibera that let's do our campaigns in peacefully manner. Because we are the children of Kibera and we are here as the candidates presenting you people there. So don't fight for them. Leave them for us to fight for them. That's why we are here. Thank you. Please. Thank you very much. Let's do this, Felix, briefly because of time. Felix, parting shot. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you for the opportunity. We focus so much on Kibera. But the mandate of the member of parliament is not only for the constituency. I would want to go to parliament and to ask the government to set aside some money to compensate the victims. But your mandate is for the residents of the constituency. Yes, victims of post-election violence. Because some of them are disabled, some of them died and we have not compensated them. And I do want to take to parliament a bill so that we do not import the things we can produce, be they maize and sugar and all that. So I want to appeal to what we do Kibera. I am our member. I am the member of parliament. I am the leader of the parliament. And I would like to answer that. To end now, I would like to thank you for your time. Let's have you give us your parting shot briefly because of time. Now to look at the way politics is running in Kenya, politics has been commercialized and we cannot play that. But my real appeal to the people is that, especially the youth in Kibera, they should actually focus on a legitimate leader, a real leader, not those who will come to give them false promises or pouring money like my brothers have said. And so we should focus in a real leader but what I would really like them to deter from is party politics. Since my own view, party politics has destroyed the country and it is continuing to destroy the country. Because of party politics, that there are no development. If you look at all these governors, they are under some people's authority. In that, party protects them in case they have been almost old. In case they have swindled the money, they are under authority over us. Gentlemen, we may not be able to finish this, but we will come some other time probably to continue the topic. Unfortunately, we are already out of time. We will get some other time to come and talk more about this. Many thanks for keeping it right. 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