 Okay, welcome to the September 2021 City of Columbia Board of Zoning Appeals meeting like to welcome members staff and guests We asked your patients during this hybrid meeting. 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Primus here miss Stevens is absent miss spinner here Mr. Gignard here miss Macintosh We have a quorum Okay applicants with requests before the board of zoning appeals are allotted a presentation time of 10 minutes This time should include but is not limited to an overview of the project case history in any pertinent meetings held regarding the request This time also includes all persons presenting information on behalf of the applicants such as attorneys engineers and architects This time limit does not include any questions asked by the board of zoning appeals or staff regarding requests Any member of the general public may address the board in intervals of three minutes or five minutes if I spoke person for an established body Or for a group of three or more The applicant will then have five minutes for rebuttal the board reserves the right to amend these procedures on a case-by-case basis Okay, those of you who plan to speak must be sworn If you are here as an applicant or here to speak on any case, please stand at this time and raise your right hand Okay, do you affirm or attest that the testimony you will give today is the truth and nothing but the truth? Thank you The board uses the consent agenda to approve non-controversial or routine matters by a single motion and vote If a member of the board or the general public wishes to discuss an item on the consent agenda That item is removed and placed on the regular agenda. The board then approves the remaining items I do have to say before we get started Case number three, which is 2021-0084 for 1511 Greg Street We are aware that we have callers on the line based on voice messages So we are going to go ahead and put that at the beginning of the regular agenda. Okay. Thanks The remaining items on the consent agenda. We have the approval of the August 5th 2021 minutes Case 2021-0080 a special exception at 209 South Beltline Boulevard to permit a body-piercing studio This was the one that was Then we have case 2021-0085. This is a variance at 2508 two-notch road This is a variance to the minimum buffer yard planting requirement And if anyone wishes to speak on a case They can come forward now and let us know or we will Tune in to public input to see if we have any callers on the line And it doesn't look like any emails have come through. We had one caller All right, we'll go ahead and play that through She's gone Is she still showing up on here? Okay My name is Elizabeth Mark and I am here to speak on 2021-0084 SE 1511 Greg Street As I was saying, I am Elizabeth Mark and I'm here representing the Robert Mills Historic District Which includes affected areas of Washington, Hampton and Gregg Street Additionally in the early 1980s my company occupied the top floor 1511 Gregg Street So I can speak to this variance really from firsthand experience. Can she hear our issue is that the applicant Can she hear Hello, hey miss more I can hear we we have moved this case to the regular agenda So it is no longer on the consent agenda So if you would just hang on and call back when the case is called and we will hear your testimony Sorry, you know the phone keys told me to start talking so my apologies Correct Okay, well if there aren't any members of the board who would like to remove any items at this time I'd like to ask for a motion Move that we approve the consent agenda with the one emendation of removing 1511 Gregg Street and placing it on the regular agenda Second and subject to staff subject to staff comments. Okay, so all right We have a motion and a second all that in favor, please say aye All right, any opposed Okay, motion passed. So we will for the beginning of the regular agenda We will circle back to case number three, which is 2021 does zero zero eight four This is the special exception of 1511 Gregg Street. This is a special exception to permit a residential care facility The applicant is present and is welcome to come forward to the podium to present their case Members of the board. Thank you for taking time to hear our case Like I said, we're here to talk about 1511 Please say your name for the record. Sorry. It's my name is Michael Wenzinger. I'm with Goodwill Mills and K wood represent mercy who's Where the applicant they're ultimately be the owner of the property So we're here to talk about 1511 Gregg Street Ultimately what mercy is looking to do is create a youth supportive housing program here the closest Qualification in the zoning ordinance would be a residential care facility And which requires special exception in C1 or ultimately MU2, which is what this will become you know next month and so What we did is you know, we just kind of went through and looked at how it Measured against a different criteria We find that it's appropriate use in the district. You know, if you look at C1 we have done this once before to or mercy has with similar program on 1813 Washington Street and the reason that we in talking with the city chose C1 is that C1 mirrors the Or mercy's program mirrors the intent of C1 pretty closely where it's kind of quasi residential Institutional or office type space and so the program sort of a mix of those types of things that you have office space there It's effectively a housing program for Children or youth that are at risk of potentially becoming homeless Mercy offer services to them that you know allows them to either get into a job or get into You know education Institution and kind of move them forward so that they know they don't fall victim to homelessness And so it's really great program and something that's been running really effectively a couple blocks away for the last couple years And this is intended to serve women aged 17 to 24 the previous home was specifically for men And so I think it'll just continue on the good work that Mercer been doing in the community And so specifically to address the criteria Looking at number one the vehicular traffic and pedestrian safety. It really doesn't have any impact on that. There's an existing Sort of curb cut That no one uses it comes off of Greg Street and that will remain inactive The property does own about eight to nine parking spaces adjacent to the building and that's what they'll maintain for parking for the facility Which more than adequately covers the parking need and requirements And then they'll use existing curb cuts and not make any changes from a vehicular or pedestrian standpoint And then criteria to with the adverse substantial or Substantial adverse impact on adjoining properties in terms of environmental factors such as noise, light, glare, vibration, fumes, odors, etc The special exceptional offers counseling services to unaccompanied youth. These services are unobtrusive in nature It's similar to like an office type function. Everything's kind of contained within the facility They have staff on site 24 hours a day And so there's nothing obtrusive in nature to the activities that occur within the space Number three describing what ways the proposed special exceptional and I have a substantial adverse impact on the set character area If you look at the image on the screen in the top left That's actually the previous project that was done for mercy And so you can see that the aesthetic character of the building is consistent with the Surrounding area. It's got a historic residential quality to it That you know effectively mirrors the character of the adjacent properties And so we see it as a positive in that regard the existing houses age and dilapidated It'll be removed and replaced with a new Structure that is very similar in nature to the building used there from a aesthetic quality and you know It takes care to match this to our quality of the neighborhood. I Number four explain how the proposed special exceptional and I have an adverse impact on public safety or create nuisance conditions detrimental to public interest or conditions likely to result increased law enforcement response You know mercy has a really good Record, you know when it comes to any kind of law enforcement issues, you know, the properties are all well-maintained well-managed Like I said, they'll have staff there 24 hours a day and we see it as a benefit to you know If you walk that part of the town, you know, a lot of those properties are vacant You know, they're law offices or different social service type offices that are closed during the evening hours And so by having mercy there, you know, we were going to go take these photos We're walking up and taking pictures and someone came out and said hey, what are you doing? You know because they monitor the area and so I think you effectively have an eyes on the street You know 24 hours a day. I think it's a positive to the neighborhood You know rather than a negative Number five explain how the establishment of the proposed special exception does not create a concentration or proliferation of the same Or similar type special exception use and it's like we said, you know The positive is that we have a similar type of use down, you know a couple blocks away that's been functioning for a few years You know, you could look at this criteria and say hey, we have another one You know, I think from a break in the criteria down the first piece is saying that there's a proliferation of the use You know, we would argue that to is not hardly a proliferation of this type of use in that neighborhood And then thirdly, I think we made this point or secondly I think we made this point earlier is that when you look at that criteria that we established for the facility and for the zoning You know zoning is office Institutional and residential, you know, again, this is sort of a mix of those types of things It's an institution that offers residential and office And so I think it's emblematic of the character of the neighborhood and the intent for the zoning district though It requires a special exception by its qualification or the zoning ordinance Six explain how to propose special exceptions consistent with the character intended underlying district You know, we were you just said that a couple times, but like we said, it's hybrid between residential and institutional office Seven describe how the proposed sexual special exception is appropriate for its location and compatible with the permitted uses adjacent and Sorry adjacent to and in the vicinity of the property and So again, I think this is just you know kind of redundant somewhat similar as that You know mirror C1 if you walk that again that part of town it frankly is really appropriate for this type of use You look at the fatherhood coalition or other type neighbors, you know There's a nice mix in composition of you know, a few houses that still remain There's some law offices. There's some such service type stuff. I think you know home across the street So it's it's really I think a fitting area for this type of use and I think would you know further help this neighborhood You know through the redevelopment of that site with a nice new structure And then explain in what ways to propose sexual state a special exception will not adversely affect the public interests And again, we think just by improving the aesthetic character of the neighborhood Adding an active owner that's going to be on site 24 hours a day and have an ice on the street You know, we see this as a positive impact to the community and then obviously from a macro standpoint to You know the purpose that mercy serves with these programs as far as helping You know something that's really a chronic issue in Columbia with homelessness and trying to address it before it becomes a problem You know rather than after it already is, you know, I think it's frankly a noble Effort, you know within our community is something that at a macro scale really better serves the public interest So I think that's all we really have you guys have any questions. We're happy to answer them Your representatives are here for mercy as well and they can speak specifically to operational questions or rules of the house if you will Well, thank you for running to the criteria. I think that's very helpful spells out forth But I guess we would like to hear from the mercy representatives themselves because we do have a few specific questions regarding operations, so thank you Yeah Could you state your name, please Julie and even and I'm the executive director of mercy. Okay. Well, thank you Certainly looks like a good organization. How many young women or women do you anticipate having? You know that I guess at full occupancy or what's the When the property is full what we're anticipating is the same size facility. So it would be 10 bedrooms The maximum number of young ladies that we would be helping at one time to 10 Just to give you a history on the one that we operate on Washington for young man It opened in October of 18 and since that time We'd assisted 36 young men Out of those We now have nine left in the home and out of the ones that have exited 96% have moved into safe stable housing on their own 80% are working 80% have gotten their GED or high school deployments and we've got several right now that live there enrolled in college Thank you. Well, you said 10 10 residents and you'll have one full-time person 24-7 at all times we do have in the evenings when things are That's when most folks are home at the same time. We have two people From like 5 o'clock until 10 o'clock and that way one person can stay in the house And if folks need to be taken somewhere that the other person Well, thank you. Well, I don't have any questions Yeah, I have a bunch of questions so I Guess I'm a little concerned these young women may have friends From their previous lives who might want to come and visit them in that are what's What are what are the rules in terms of there being out on the streets? And their friends hanging out and everybody hanging out or something like that. What's what's going on with that? There is in the packet that Michael submitted Well, it doesn't show Anyway, we have for visitors It's only permitted to visitors at the time only with staff approval Only during the visiting hours They have to be at least 18 years of age where it has to be accompanied with an adult Nobody can come in and go into the resident floor. They can visit in the common area They can't go in somebody's bedroading or anything like that, but all the rules are included in the packet Okay, I'm sorry. I didn't I didn't study them in depth because we thought that this was going to be on the consent agenda So if you could I think I'm very concerned that I mean I I do work I'm on a foster care review board and some of these young ladies may have been trafficked Their traffickers may come looking for them You know, I'm just concerned about that impact on the surrounding community. It's a little different from you know Another kind of treatment facility perhaps. I you know, I Think you're doing certainly a worthy thing. It's just not sure how the impact is on the neighborhood Right. Well, when folks are referred to this program, they're screened heavily By services director with me now. Okay. He's a licensed clinician licensed for Counseling and Substance abuse he does a screening If there any red flags, we don't admit everybody, okay, so You know, we've not had any issues With the with the guy's home There's way more in the sorority houses that are closer to my office than there are Yeah, I live very near the sorority Population and that's not that's not a very strong Statement in terms of I wish we did not have them in our neighborhood. They are not the best neighbors by a long shot so that's the concern I think is that I mean I can imagine and I don't know this at all I mean I my killingsworth is in my neighborhood University Hill and we have not had a problem at all with killingsworth I mean they just don't cause a problem. I mean nobody complains or anything like that That's a halfway or three-quarter or one-quarter way house of some sort run by the Methodist Church But I can imagine a scenario where the young ladies are milling around or are they you know smoking on the street And you know things like that. I just you know what what is the stat? What is your plan as far as that sort of thing goes? you know, so I think I used to address that is that You had similar concerns with the last facility and you know I think it's a reasonable question to just understand the true nature and character of the space But you know, it's really not what the program is You know people aren't just like milling around the parking lot or smoking on the porch You know, that's not something they're permitted to do and so you know if you look at like you Drive by the current property at any given time. It's frankly you wouldn't know it wasn't like a lawyer's office I mean, there's a couple cars in the parking lot. It's just quiet Like I said when we came up, you know the the faculty that was there came out and said hey You know what are you doing? You know because we were taking photos like you know, they thought we were trouble And so I think it's just really not the nature or character of the program or building frankly And so something we try to do too is make sure we put in the right place is that your residential care effectively requires a special exception You know wherever you put it and so, you know in talking with staff and with the city You know, we were guided to see one, you know with Alaska around to feeling that that was the most appropriate zoning district for this use And so, you know, I think frankly it does fit in really well with the surrounding neighborhood And like I said before if you see it, it really is just like a quiet I think we use the term like, you know Positive and passive neighbor, you know, it's really what it is You know, we wouldn't know what it was unless you unless you looked it up And so I'm sorry, I apologize for not being able to hear everything that you were asking We require that folks have to be productive at least 40 hours a week in school work or volunteerism So there aren't people just hanging out out front You know, it's very much This very structured the couple of people that have Not stayed for the full program to move on to permanent housing Well people that couldn't find follow that structure and You know, we don't keep them. Okay And then I'm also concerned in terms of the character of the neighborhood the character of the neighborhood is historic buildings and You're talking about demolishing a historic building that could instead be renovated And I realize this is not within the purview in terms of design development review commissions a whole nother thing But in terms of the character of the neighborhood your demolition of an existing house and placing something that's a fake Old house there will change the character. You can tell a fake house from a you know, a genuine old house The house that's there right now has been an office for years and for the last three or four years. It's been vacant It's frankly an asshole in the area anything that we would do to it. I think would be an approved an improvement there There's I mean Mike Kelly owns the property he has to send people and clean off debris This isn't Just from a stop. This isn't in a design preservation district. So I mean it could be Demoed outright and you wouldn't have any kind of design or historic review But the character of the neighborhood is old houses So that's that's where I'm coming from Sure, I mean, I think at some level, you know, we certainly respect that thought, you know I think you know, there's sort of subjective interpretation of what that isn't should be But I think a lot of it's just frankly due to the lack of development in the area, you know Over the last 30 years, you know, if you look at what's there, nothing's new and it's not so much as a sort of preservation I think it's just lack of Development dollars frankly going to that part of town. And so, you know, I think that looking at mercy and again If you look at sort of the crashing style, we do like I said, it is new, of course You can tell that, you know, I'm saying that we're perfectly replicating a sort of home But you know, there's certainly a lot of architectural care taken to matching consistent You know idiosyncrasies of the things around it making sure it's fitting and appropriate for the neighborhood and you know It's a level to I think, you know, whether it's new, you know, I think positive development is a positive thing Even in an older neighborhood Is it possible to have You've got a parking lot and an existing house. You could renovate the existing house build a house next to it To build your the extra bedrooms. I mean, it's just yeah, I think the challenge is is you know It's just cost prohibitive frankly is that, you know, we looked at a property before doing the one on the board there You know, there's a couple couple houses down and if you look at the quality and kind of just condition of these older houses You know, you're gonna spend more money renovating than you are simply building a new one And so, you know, the other challenge too is when you look at like 10 bedrooms, for instance, right? You know the existing plan generally isn't conducive to that and so You know, I think it's something that I think for the other makes much more sense to build it new and build it You know build it, you know to standards that you know, they can they can last for the next 50 years Okay, well any other members board have any questions for the applicants? They've been a thorough presentation. Thank you very much going into great detail Wouldn't imagine we would have to any question All right, well, thank you very much Okay, well does anyone from the public wish to speak on this matter? I know we may have a caller, but anyone in the audience That's fine And we don't have any emails that have come in, but I think we have two callers on the line Can you hear us miss Marks? I can hear you now. I couldn't hear just now I can hear you. I'm fine You're welcome to discuss the case if you'd like you're on the line Okay. Thank you. Thank you for the opportunity My name is Elizabeth Mark I'm here representing the Robert Mills Historic District and that includes specific affected areas of Washington, Hampton and Gregg And I have to say that the casual Missiveness about character of the neighborhood about the value of the houses is really it's shocking and I'm sorry. They don't know the neighborhood that they operate in any better than that I have specific knowledge of this building my company Occupied hot floor in the early 1980s. It's actually a valuable building. I had hardwood floors by ceilings Beautiful windows. I don't believe that it's beyond repair and it is an important part of our neighborhood It's a craftsman style home Part of the fabric of our neighborhood. So it matters The applications response to question five really doesn't address the proliferation question What they didn't mention is that they occupy 1813 Washington 1408 Greg 1433 Greg 1516 Greg and they're asking to add a two-story 3,000 square foot building at 1511 Greg, which is a program duplicate except for women of the half-way house Program on Washington Street That's five buildings in two blocks. This is a textbook example of proliferation and concentration Their presence has not improved the neighborhood and in fact, they do not communicate With their neighbors or contribute to the betterment of the area in any measurable way The halfway houses and drug treatment centers have not elevated the area or tractors or cats Neighborhood businesses the majority of which are not gone. They were African-American owned In fact, the applicant is not able to acquire nearby properties at lower or distressed prices The claim that they will add security to the home is not borne out by the years of inaction at their four existing properties They may take care of something that is on their footprint But they certainly contribute nothing security wise to their neighbors or to the neighborhood and never have I Want you to pay attention to the fact that the letters of support only address their programs We don't dispute the programs But they don't address the impact on the neighborhood Which we can testify to so I hope you'll regard those letters of support as letters of support for their programs And not germane to this topic, which is a variance If you allow this request the halfway house variants will perpetuate For decades to come through future owners and programs that will not require city oversight or approval This the approval of this request would create a template for proliferation There's no question about it and it would violate the express intent of the appeal process We ask you to deny this request Thank you for your time Rachel, are we running a timer today? We have another caller hello, am I being heard My name is Wanda gale breeze club. I am representing myself and my neighbors as an owner of a residence at 1414 greg street where I have lived for 42 years Also, I Was able to get my house listed on the Columbia landmark status as a historic structure so I have many of the interest that you're Discussing and concerned about I will address specifically the applicant's response to question 8 Because they do not adequately address the adverse effect on the public interest since 2018 when The zoning board approved the facility on Washington Street Against the overwhelming support of the neighborhood the neighborhood association and many others My property value has fallen $50,000 I live next door to Mercy's offices when they had one Facility which was on greg street and across from my property When we objected in the past We objected because there was already a facility on greg street and we didn't think they should be adding a second one on Washington Street Given these facilities do different things, but they are all mercy They are all related. They all serve similar populations Because our neighborhood was already in decline. We felt that we only we need to be attracting things That for example, do you want your office next to these facilities? Do you want to live next to them when you started development with now? With this we would have up to six at the time that we disapproved of adding a second Mercy facility we were and the zoning board was reassured by mercy. Oh, these would be spread around town They did subsequently put one of their many facilities on Rosewood Drive, but almost immediately they then Moved their headquarters to greg street So then we had one across the street one right around the block One next door Since that time they have added another one in the 1500 block and now they want to add yet another Quality that you would have to approve in the 1500 block Regrettably all of these other additions have not had anything have not Needed approval except the first one the first one which we fought very hard against Because of the fears we had then which have come to pass Yes, they do lawyer. Yes, they do move around the neighborhood. No, they are not good neighbors Mercy specifically is not they do not listen to us. They do not work with us. They do not care about our neighborhood Because they don't live there. I'm sure it is good and efficient for them and cost effective for them But why didn't we why don't we why didn't we just use bull street if we are going to have In our neighborhood the mental illness recovery center in Okay, all right. Well, thank you. We I think we again we again we do not question What they're about but is this good for our neighborhood is it good for the city to have a campus a Neighborhood a whole a whole string of their of their presence. Okay. It is not Thank you ma'am, but we're gonna have to wrap up your testimony You're out of time and we wanted to give you a little bit extra time to finish, but we really can't go on anymore So thank you for your call May I may I ask one additional sentence? I am speaking for myself and more than three of my neighbors Okay. Well, thank you. Thank you and that that is to the board if you Cannot deny which you should do for all the reasons we've given Will you at please postpone because I assure you with further study you will you will also determine That this is a very bad idea, and it should be played certainly they should be served. All right Thank you for your call. We appreciate your testimony Okay, any other members well, we do we have any more callers first of all for we Okay, very good Would anyone else from the public like to speak on this matter besides the applicants? No, you can't go after please approach the podium Please come to the microphone, please like to apologize for mercy because I was lobbying against okay What state your name for the record? I'm Richard Durlach. Thank you. I'm speaking for 14 14 Greg I'd like to apologize to her because I was lobbying against this thing as I was getting out of the car in the parking lot And I didn't recognize her behind her mask. Also. It's very difficult to have hearings like this I can't hear half of what people are saying with their mask. So anyway I want to emphasize we are not against the mission of mercy okay Everything they do everything they do to try to help people is a very important thing The they saying they're building a 3000 square foot facility. I'm an engineer You can't build anything these days for less than 150 bucks a square foot. That's for your $50,000 there I think maybe their money could be spent better elsewhere Taking if they want to help disadvantaged youth they could take the mission to the youth God knows we've got homeless people living in their cars at the University of South Carolina And go into school, but I guarantee you'll never get a place on the Senate Street or University Hill As long as the Board of Trustees and those powerful people can make their voices heard Non sequitur this Latin word it means does not follow My colleague here got up and said, you know, it's got fit into the neighborhood because we've got law offices and We've got retail businesses And we've got some residences and therefore it fits in to have a Home for disadvantaged people who need help. That's a non sequitur. That is not logical. That does not follow and I guarantee you I'm sorry. We didn't hear about this sooner. That is our fault not yours. I guarantee you but nevertheless Neighbors that are in support where our Seth Rose and United Way am I right? Seth Rose is a half a mile from here or from the location or point four seven to be exact United Way is two tenths of a mile away Starks law firm dr. Dorothy Park and associates McWhorter Bellinger and associates Paulette Edwards, LLC law office McCain orthopedic center logic south vision This division center Beltone hearing aids Levy funeral home southern finance serenity Nails and wedge which is a company who works on Apple computers all are closer And have an interest in this we are not against the mission but Zoning clearly has a responsibility if you read the ordinances to speak out against proliferation and given the list of addresses that Dr. Bre love noted and that Elizabeth marks noted this is clearly Proliferation all you have to do is look it up in the dictionary and realize that it is part of your Responsibility I'll close with this comment. I drove by the building today and looked at it beautiful blue historic building I'm an engineer. It does not cost more to renovate a building like that to build you I am tired of hearing that from architects and developers who want to tear down property That's always their excuse. It'll cost us more to renovate it. That is simply not True and I think the question of whether that is an eyesore or not. Excuse, excuse me. I have the beholder Okay of their property. It is well maintained. Thank you. Thank you. I think wrap us up Nice testimony. Thank you Okay, any other members of the public wish to speak on this matter not not the applicants Okay applicants please approach Okay, we're gonna give you a few minutes for a buttle certainly I know you have a lot you'd like to say before we start your time I think you have five minutes and we will certainly be lenient with you But I want to ask and this will not count against your time Let's talk just briefly about this your adjacent properties and heard a lot of complaint about that So again not counting as part of your rebuttal. Please tell the board about the adjacent. What are they talking about? Well, just one quick point. I would make it is a mic working one quick point. I would make is just that What the criteria is talking about is proliferation of this use So by the zoning ordinance, the use is a residential care facility So if Mercy has an office that they administratively run their business out of that's nearby That is not a residential care facility and it does not require a special exception So it's it's moved as far as this argument is concerned And so we just want to be clear on the fact of what the criteria is actually asking is asking for this specific use requiring special exception Is there a proliferation and is it detrimental to the area and so Again, there's two counts one would say the proliferation comment You know, it's a residential care facility of which there are two Which are the ones that we listed and then is it detrimental to the neighborhood and again We would say no and so before we get into all that so let's be real clear In the block or in the two blocks. Tell me about your other facilities. I understand you have offices But do what what do you what how many properties do you own first of all? I mean? since 2004 Mercy has owned 1433 great that has the clinic and drop-in center We also at that time Acquired the 1813 which was a vacant overgrown parking lot. It's a four blocks away or so. So we sat on it for 13 years 14 years and then developed it into the We bought 1408 in 2016 not before we developed the youth We bought my office I Actually moved the week for Thanksgiving of 2016 into that one the property at 15 1516 We're leasing that on a short-term lease. We were approached and asked to apply for some of the COVID emergency assistance funds and That entire block that the Arnold company had was pretty much vacant and they were the first people that were able to accommodate We have a very short-term lease. We're running a health care clinic out of the air We're providing COVID shots Okay, so that's five so you have five how many are there just sort of the short version how many properties do you own in the couple of blocks? We own 1813 Washington we own 1433 Greg and 1408 Greg No Okay, so three five How how many properties do you own? I'm just I'm confused. Are you all confused? I mean how many what we're trying to get out What do you own in these couple of blocks so we can? understand How many do we have a can we put can we put like a Richland County or city Columbia GIS map Showing these couple blocks so all the members of the board can understand exactly what we're talking about unless you all know I want to know what Mercy properties We're just we're just trying to get a handle on whether or not some of the testimony is correct or what the deal is Yeah, yeah, she's gonna we're trying to get the County GIS so we can see the 1408 Greg Street is an older home that have been turned into an office building And we bought that in 2016 that's my admin office Across the street from us is 1433 Greg Street That is our youth drop-in center and it has a behavioral health clinic. I'm sorry That's been there since 2005 the 1813 Washington is a youth home for males We built that on property that we owned in 2018 Right now we are leasing property Short-term from Bill Arnold to do a COVID response and Then we have a contract to purchase 1560. Okay, so that's so five five properties, right? Yes Okay, I'm two of the five if So if this if this special access was granted two of the five would be these Homes to help individuals correct correct one one is an office another one, right? So that's an office Another one is something where you're trying to help with COVID. That's an office or a research or something. That's for what is the fifth one? No, it's not it's not an office. It's a clinic where they give him shots, right? Okay. It's an office building I have my housing staff there that help connect folks with housing assistance as y'all know the moratorium on rent It's gone away. Okay, so I have a doctor on site. I have nurses on site So two offices two homes. What's the fifth one? It's actually it would be it's three offices three up Okay, so three offices and and this would be the second side of this. Okay. Thank you. Thanks for helping clear though I'm just trying to get a good understanding. Okay, so I think we're all clear with what they have in the area You make our discussion in board discussion. We can talk about whether or not we think it's a pool of proliferation That now's not the time but everyone clear what they have No, no may not okay, so is your term for a bottle you heard a lot of stuff I think we we've talked a lot about proliferation. You now have five minutes to talk about whatever you want and then we're gonna wrap it up I don't I'm not gonna need five minutes I just want to say a couple of things and I'll give Michael cuz he's the expert on design and Anything you want I just want to say it's not a halfway house. We've never run halfway houses I Would like to point out that in that immediate area Mercy has invested over two million dollars in property And so I think we are good neighbors I think we have cameras that people come and ask us to help them pull from At all of our properties You know the The covid response, you know, it made sense to do it downtown where we could assist folks that Are trying to get into housing and need extra Help to survive during this pandemic Um, and we're you know, we're going by what we were we consulted with city staff this you know the commercial zoning It's what we need to say we're doing What we're supposed to thank you. Thank you for your testimony Um, so, you know, I appreciate you know, certainly a lot was said and you know We respect and appreciate the opinion of you know some of the neighbors in the adjacent area Um, yeah, I don't think we'll address everything that was said frankly You know, we wanted to stick to the criteria, which is what we're we're seeking to meet In for purposes of our special exception for the property You know, like I said, we just required outright in the area of the zoning ordinance And so like I said with regard to the character value You know the neighborhood, you know to the staff's point earlier on You know, it's not a registered historic district. It's not under dvrc There is no criteria or requirement for us to keep the home or not to provide something new You know, I certainly appreciate, you know, the opinion of You know historic preservation versus new but you know as a property owner that's within our right You know to do what's best for the facility and for the owner to best serve their use of the property that they own You know, I think whatever we do would be like I said, you know, where architects and stuff matters to us too I know we're not you know, we're not residents and I'm not suggesting that you know We have that level of investment in the area But you know, we do want the house to be fitting and appropriate and contextual, you know in its use in the area And I think you know, we can we can take what we learned, you know From you know talk to university and their their, you know, their development of the last property And then, you know, just further advance that and what we do here and make sure You know, we do something that really fits and so, you know, we appreciate and welcome the You know, the neighborhood input is move forward with the project You know, they're always welcome to provide input to us as we pursue The ultimate solution for the site and make sure it's something that works for everybody You know, like I said, with regard to the halfway house comment It's really not what this is or it doesn't represent our emblematic of the character of it And again with the proliferation point and I don't want to feel like we're splitting hairs You know, I understand that there's a mercy sign on the number of doors But, you know, office use is permitted outright in that district And so when it talks about a proliferation of this type of use acquiring a special exception That's what the question is and that's not what what's happening The additional properties are permitted outright. This would be two, you know, again It's subjective at some level. We don't see two as a proliferation And again, so the criteria that's detrimental to the neighborhood, you know, frankly, we don't agree with that either And so, you know, I can't speak directly, you know, to the property at 1414 But, you know, in our research and looking at this too, we want to make sure we're doing our due diligence as well You know, we look through Zillow and try to get some information on property values And you're even looking at that specific property and I'm not saying it's an appraisal or something specific But, you know, according to Zillow, you know, the property has increased by $75,000 since 2018 And so, you know, in our research that's emblematic of other properties in the area too, you know The market's been going up. This neighborhood's no different as far as the market value is increasing in the research that we've done And so frankly, you know, we don't see it as having had any negative impact on the neighborhood You know, again, development's a positive thing. Usually when we see it, you know People see someone investing in a neighborhood, they want to invest in it too And so I think Mercy's done a good job, you know, to that end You know, and it's important to them to be part of the community too They, you know, they did reach out and go door to door passing out flyers to whoever was home You know, letting them know what was going on And so, you know, it's certainly not intended to be a secret or sneaking anything by anybody And we want to be good neighbors and make sure that everyone's being talked to but Um, yeah, I mean, like I said, I think I think we've addressed each of their criteria You know, at some level, I understand it's a little bit of he says he said as far as, you know They're a good neighbor. They're not a good neighbor, but all I can speak to is just that, you know The facility is quiet. People stay within the facility. They have it well managed. It hasn't been an issue And so, you know, we do not see this as in any shape or form detrimental to the neighborhood or a negative impact So if the board has any other questions, we're happy to address any specific concerns you have or thoughts Do I make sure we're hitting everything for you? If something came up in the conversation you'd like to hear our Response to you Well, thank you for your testimony Okay Well, that's going to wrap up the public input portion of this certainly a good discussion today. I'd like to open up Board discussion What do you all think? I do Can I ask a question? Go ahead John. I do what is the Reasoning for just keeping all this so close. Is it not possible to go? You know find a place and spread it out a little bit. Maybe serve a different community Part of it is the price of the property It is Priced well, it's zoned for how we need it zoned You know, there's not an actual zoning for a crcf or for any type of group residential It's my understanding that it goes in commercial and you have to apply for this exception Um So, you know, if you drive around that area, there's a lot a lot of vacant property Um, it's also um, frankly for the young people that we're housing We've got that Property at 1433 It puts it with them walking distance for them to go there So they can go there if they need to see a counselor Um, if they don't have a computer to use They can go to that location. We have a computer lab set up You know, it's a part of it's that proximity Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Okay. Well, let's um, all right. Let's let's let's have some board discussion. Let's thank you applicants Let's discuss. I'd like to hear what the members of the board think about the request in particular. We're done with questions So what do y'all think? Who won't start Celia? Oh, I'm not starting. Yeah, go ahead. Uh so I was surprised when the agenda came out that there was not more opposition to it, but clearly that has come through um just On the question of being a little close i'm intimately familiar with the property on washington street um My gut is it feels like there it's not a proliferation of specific use but perhaps a proliferation of services To a group But I understand there is synergy there you know, especially When you're serving males and females that they have equal opportunity to the services that mercy is providing so There is not a clear Well, a lot of these areas are stated there. Um, just kind of this is most of them are subjective. All right. Who else? All right. I think going down special exceptions I mean, I think clearly there's no problem with vehicular pedestrian safety We have no reason to think that's a real particular problem or environmental problem Aesthetics, I think it will have an adverse impact on the aesthetics because the aesthetics of the neighborhood are Historic houses and it's putting in non-historic. It's tearing down A potentially contributing property that could potentially have baili bill benefits and all the other good things that Those of us who we live in historic districts understand although I do not live in a contributing property Um, so there's an aesthetic that is an aesthetic drawback. Um Nuisance per se. I don't think it what is a technical nuisance for public safety. Um, I think the concentration I think that Just because there's only one other residential treatment facility, you will slice it very narrowly Does not mean that there are not treatments being given at least two of the other properties Um, and they they they testify their offices No, they said that they were also they had doctors on site. They had they they testified that they were offices and also medical Facilities medical treatment Yeah, and the cova thing too. That's that's all yeah Um, so yeah, they are there are they are providing services As well as just people showing up and you know take an office uses clearly a lot lower impact than People walking up and receiving care Whether they live there or not Um In terms of the character of the district I think the concern those two those two sort of Operate oppositely Because you have a problem if there's too much of it in an area then that's a concentration of proliferation Character well the character of the area seems like it's starting to turn into a treatment area for mental illness recovery so um I don't know compatible That's a little bit harder to say I think in terms of the public interest the fact that so many of the neighbors have come out um, and miss marx particularly is is Intimate she eats sleeps and breathes the neighborhood um against it Really is very compelling to me. I mean, I think I was I I've You know mercy is very wonderful. I think that in terms of affordability There are certainly plenty of properties in this neighborhood that would be affordable Well, and again all of these areas are subjective and and it's not easy. That's why we're debating it But I think one could argue that uh for regarding eight public interests That the very nature of their business is an asset to public interest. I mean that is certainly an argument Just on the other side. So I understand the subjectively, but well, there's competing public interests There's the interest of those who have like dr. Breedlove who have invested in their properties And wish to and if she's saying that her property value has gone down $50,000. I would imagine She may or may not she may be completely deluded, but I suspect that she may have more direct information on that So that's a concern. I think that the neighbors Public interest should be respected as well people who have invested in their properties You know fixed them up and now all of a sudden it's becoming For one of a better where I hate to say it but sort of a ghetto of mental illness treatment places I don't know about that, but um Well, I mean It sounds like it's in a very in those particular blocks. There's quite a lot of it. The answer is somewhere in the middle They're all I mean, it's all you know, it's all close. John. What do you think about all this? Oh, um, I agree with you on the public interest. I mean it's providing a service. Um I agree with Catherine on the um, you know under the proliferation the concentration It's the same or similar types of special except, you know, special exception. It's not the You know, it's not doesn't have to be identical. It just has to be similar. So You know It's a tough one and there's a lot of subjectivity. So Absolutely Marcells anything to have Same thing, uh, I mean with between the concentration Public interest The the residents that come out in opposition Yeah And you know, I mean that that's why these types of facilities regardless where you put them in the city They have to have a special exception To be there so to go anywhere. So, you know, sort of piggybacking on that thought They do have to go somewhere if we want to help these types of people And it doesn't matter where you put these People are going to be upset and neighbors are going to be upset and at the end of the day We just have to do the best we can to decide whether or not we think it fits Compatible with the location and that's all you can do I think the applicants did a really good job of stating their case running through the special criteria I mean, I think you can argue this stuff and I I think the presentation was very good So I think your answer was good and I think the neighbors Have valid concerns. We heard some on the phone and heard some here. So this I just say all this This is a tough one. This is close with all that being said I run through the criteria and um My personal opinion going back is They do have to go somewhere and I think the applicants have have done a good job Proving why this is a This is a suitable location. So with that being said, I would like to make a motion that we approve the special exception for this case Is there a second? No, everything's over now. I'd like to make a motion. Is there a second? A second Okay, we have a motion and a second all those in favor. Please say aye. Aye All those opposed Opposed Did you vote? Opposed Okay, motion passes Motion is denied Excuse me motion passes motion's finished Motion is denied Okay, thank you applicants tough case Thank you I do apologize. I forgot to announce this earlier in case anyone was remaining from the consent agenda You are free to go I'm sure The next item on the regular agenda is case 2021-0079 for 1823 superior street This is a special exception to permit a convenience store The applicant is present and is welcome to come forward No, good afternoon Please state your names for the record I'm Sherry Myers the owner of V&S One Stop Okay And my name is John Astroy and an investor for V&S One Stop Thank you Okay, well, do you have a presentation or some thoughts to give us regarding what your request is? Well, this is our first experience. Please excuse us for not being fully prepared But what we will say is our vision for V&S One Stop was It really came through because of our One of Sherry's door And having to go to the store on Rosewood Having to cross Rosewood and go to Family Dollar Right, so there's no central Convenience store in the neighborhood for children So all of the children in that in the Edisto court Basically what Rosewood community in that area They have to actually cross Rosewood to go to convenience though Let me grab a bag of chips or anything like that. They're crossing a main road To go there. So that was one of the initial things We also started getting some developments in our community the Rosewood Hill area Basically now there's a basketball court there The kids over there running from trying to go Across again the highway to get You know like little things to drink or anything like that. So basically pulling that into the community Also, we've been having Activities into the community also for a long time. I grew up in that community when I went to hand middle school And I remember back then that you know Sometimes in the parks and the things like that we would have small activities In that area for a while, we haven't had any activities when it comes to children We recently threw the Easter egg hunt in that facility in that community We also did a back to school bag So we sent the children in that area back to school with a book bag. So Just bridging into the community and doing something that's basically inside the community, okay Well, so do you have any questions concerned? I'm sure I'm sure I'm sure we do Well the store we do have Cameras all around the store, you know for their protection um We do affiliate with uh city of columbia police department. Um, we have lights All around the facility We just want to pull the rosewood area with the kids back together, you know back And and doing something positive myself. I do live in The rosewood area. So I'm only like eight minutes away from the store and the park And you know, like she said my son said that they have to cross the main highway just if they want water or Something from the store they have to go to family dollar when it's, you know That store that I have now that I'm trying to open and be in this one stop. It was a plant shop you know, and then Um, the plant shop closed and then I decided to open it up Try and open it up as a convenience store for the kids and I do serve We'll be serving hot dogs With homemade chili for them if they come through and want a snack or something So it's just basically snacks and drinks candy and cookies And also we do surface not we're not going to forget that the adults do live in the community also You know in that community we do have public transportation But public transportation is on the main road. It's not inside the neighborhood We also have some people that do not have transportation That I have to walk to family dollar or the dollar tree or the public's or anything like that Before they can pick up any goods or anything bringing them back down in a buggy and stuff like that So I feel like the convenience store and the idea just came up because it would be a convenience to the community Okay, all right. Thank you What questions should the board members have for our applicants regarding this proposed operation Will you be having fresh produce fresh food like fruits and stuff like that too? What would your hours of operation be it would be 10 a.m Until 9 p.m. Okay, is that seven days a week? No, that's um six days Sunday's close. Okay You anticipate having one employee in your store? It will be two for now will be me and her for now and then eventually, you know Business pick up Maybe hire, you know one of the kids in the neighborhood drink, you know As we go along Have you had any other support? Any other neighborhood? Oh, yes, we have um, I did the neighborhood plan. I had to I did a petition for the neighbors to sign and Um, I think a few sent in some emails. So they're the neighbors very supportive Yeah, they they had a good many in their application packet. Yeah, it was probably 20 or so Yeah, exactly. There's a lot a lot of support. I didn't see anything against it, right? I didn't see anything. It's a roll of paper in the packet from the wrong position And as as far as the community the businesses in the community, we're also Uh speaking with them. We have uh Camp Bow Wow. I'm not sure if you guys are You get a letter that he didn't letter for us because he has been also running with us all week trying to make You know our since we even came up with the idea And uh the construction Sites that are also around it because as you can see that area is being very developed now So Is there There is an intent to serve um or to sell Beer and the back of I saw that in the application Normally that's the sort of key point before I can be Well, I did have a few neighbors concerned wanted to uh, wanted me to sell beer You know, and I if that's a problem, you know, it's not that I wouldn't want to run my store because I can't sell beer that's you know That's you know, but I put in As I did this with the beer license, but you know, I have to go here First before I can decide on If or is I'm gonna do it. So it's not a big Bigly that I have to have any other questions Okay, thank you. Thank you very much Okay, do we have any members of the public that wish to speak on this matter? All right, I had sent you all some letters ahead of time. Um, I'll read those Names just so that they're in the record of the letters that I emailed Um, Sheila Bonaparte, um, Benjamin Chestnut Kristen Glover Shayna Stroy Carlina Wright And Leslie Myers on those Were letters of support that were provided to the board And we did receive two others after I had sent the original email One is from a Lottie Smith It states I truly support BNS one stop store This neighborhood has not had any community based events in a long time The way they're giving to the residents before receiving profits truly shows the love in their hearts And this is from a Jamie Gilmore To whom it may concern BNS is going to be an establishment for the community. They have given back to the community have Bring too too much joy back to the community something that haven't in years It's close by a park where kids can go and get cold drinks And not walk three miles to the top of rosewood. This was an email. So it was a little choppy But that was from a Jamie Gilmore We haven't seen any other emails come in And do you just want to state for the record? the neighborhood Called with concerns which is by the matter was on the regular agenda Um, and I think we have one caller on the line, but no written statements were received by the neighborhood One of the concerns expressed was The beer and tobacco sales, but I explained that that was handled at a state level So those licenses would have to be applied for and granted outside of Hello Hey, good evening. Go ahead. Hello Hi, this is Michelle Huggins with the South Kilburn neighborhood association I realized that we are on the other side of rosewood That we have been involved with the events that have been going on in the edisto court area You have housing that is being put up right now. It is affordable housing. It is the dream of hope And those houses are being put in underneath the guys that that store is not there If this store wants to be there, they need to be able to Meet all the criteria for what is going on in that neighborhood Um, I don't know if it's been met with with the fire department if they've met all the credentials with that Do they have the ADA accessible bathrooms? Um, are they going to be able to meet all the requirements? That is a huge factor in this I realize that many think that there's not places that they can go to But on rosewood there is places and you do not have to cross the street Just like you have the gas station and pelican snowballs That are right at the edge of the edisto court community. Yes, you do have the family dollar you have the Dollar store all of that is right there. Yes, you may have to but people have been doing that for many years um in regards to this store I realized it potentially can help this community But it needs to be done when all the things instead of coming in on a back alley And it's being announced a week or so ahead of time Not everybody is in consensus for the neighborhood to be able to have this um I wish that there would be I wish the developer would be able to Um for this project that's going in for the dream of hope Many many dollars many many dollars have already been devoted to this And I would hate for that developer or the builder excuse me to come in and find out that this has been put in after the fact Um, and it's not in consensus with what they're trying to do for this neighborhood Yes, do I like a good hot dog? You are shorty skippy straight that yes, I do But it needs to be done right Thank you Are you representing the south kilburn neighborhood association or you just happen to live there? That is correct No, ma'am. I represent the south kilburn neighborhood association. And where is south kilburn? South kilburn is if you are on racewood you were on south you turn on south hot You follow south all the way down to plowden you're going to include On the right side of the road you'll include all of rose drive area But then you come back out to south hot and you make the left on to plowden Take plowden all the way over to belt line belt line all the way back up to rosewood And then bring rosewood all the way back up to rosewood elementary That is all of south kilburn So you are on the same side of rosewood as it is to court? Yes, but we're at the other end of rosewood No, ma'am. We're on the other end Okay. No, ma'am. We're on the other end of rosewood In regards to the 90 unit complex that went before you earlier This year, which was denied because it did not end with what was going on You have the usc Project that will be coming in by 2032 on commerce potentially And there's a lot going on for this neighborhood. I honestly would appreciate if you would Delay this until your next meeting so that the builder and the developer can also have the opportunity to be able to review everything Because many dollars have been spent on the dream of hope project Thank you Thank you. I hope y'all have a good evening. Do we have any other callers? And rachel how long was this posted? Of at least 15 days as required. Thank you very good Okay applicants would you like to step back up and Have your chance for rebuttal To the opposition from the college We'll tell us anything else that you'd like to And you might more step up just just a bit one I want to say we want to because we did try to talk to every little Sub-citrity in that area to try to you know, reach out and let them know what we was doing. I didn't think of South newborn because south newborn is a little bit on the other side Um south newborn is I mean, it's something that we could talk about as far as any development. Listen, we're here today Because we want to make sure that everything that we do is in the right capacity and we're moving toward the right area You know, I I don't want to do we don't want to do anything that's going to deter the neighborhood or anything That's not our purpose as a matter of fact We want to bring a little liveliness to it In that area So, you know, um, you know, if there is anything that I would be That I didn't think of was maybe the south newborn Because I personally would have reached out because we tried to do it with everybody Like with the rosewood, there's edda stow. There's little they have like other little little little subsidiaries in there too, so But oh my goodness Well, this is your chance. You don't have to say anything if you don't want to we can be forward Just wanted to give you a chance to rebut anything you once said so If that's it and you certainly welcome to go sit back down Okay And I do just want to say just for the process because this was a question that miss huggins asked and then It's come up in other calls that I received just about Fire and building code and things like that with a business license inspections are done, but that is outside of Uh, so prior to a business license being issued fire and building will do any inspections and Request any alterations, but we don't know at this time what those may be Thank you, rachel. Well, we're gonna wrap up public input and move into board discussion I'll start on this one. You know any, um, I mean, we're we're asked to judge a specific use here Grant a special exception for a specific piece of property specific use so any adjacent plan development is absolutely irrelevant I mean it has nothing to do with what we're discussing In my opinion. So just want to get get that out of the way and just run it through the criteria I mean this this to me in my opinion just a no brainer here. You've got um, you've got people want to open up a business in their neighborhood. It's lawful and Flickable zoning and seems to be a demand for it. So I don't see the problem With it whatsoever. Let's turn it over to the other members of the board I'll jump in again, of course I think in terms of vehicle and pedestrian safety, this is enhancing it tremendously There you're decreasing the chances for pedestrians getting hit. I do believe children do what run across the street They I sure they could go to publics. They're not going to they're going to go to the family dollar Y'all live there y'all know that So I think it's probably going to enhance an awful lot of stuff There certainly is not a concentration there I think that's one thing and it seems to me that it's a very much needed business in the area And it's an area that needs that kind of you know that sort of business activity I think it sounds like a very good plan, you know And as we know the beer and wine is it not within our purview nor are the ADA and other things that were raised So It sounds like a good deal to me And I like the fact they've done so much outreach to the neighbors that really is very appealing and that the neighbors seem to really want this I agree Me too It seems like from other, you know, it's not set in a residential area. It seems Fairly in keeping with other buildings around it, you know From our zoning standpoint, absolutely. Well at this point like to ask for a motion I move that we approve subject to staff comments Second have a motion and second all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed Okay, thank you very much. Good luck with it All right, the final cases are all for the same address So if the board is all right with just hearing them all at the same time, but just keep in mind There's going to need to be several motions Um, they are for 446 clinton road so you have A special acceptance to permit a Convenience store and gasoline station A special exception to permit a drive-through for restaurant use Within the convenience store and then a special exception to permit a drive-through car wash So the applicant is present. Welcome to come on forward and present the case. Thank you Good afternoon. My name is Patrick Livingston. I'm with civil engineering in columbia Representing our client crossroads convenience LLC As miss Bailey said we are seeking to permit a convenience store With several uses one would be a restaurant car wash as far as The conditions we feel like we meet the conditions, but I'll draw your attention to a couple of them in particular As you'll see in your packet. We have Architectural elevations. I think we have some pictures of an existing facility. It's been constructed out in Chapin This is the Look that he seeks with his architecture of his buildings You won't meet a finer owner who cares more about the appearance of his buildings we've gone through The process of filling out the good neighbor plan He's agreed through all those terms And the big one that's been discussed with other projects is proliferation which I would say that This is kind of a Not a proliferation. You've got some gas stations that are clustered up near I-20 But they are about a mile away from this location And the nearest one from this one on Clemson road would be down a hard scrabble after that If you have any questions for me, I'll be glad to entertain those This is a big site Relatively speaking a couple acres It's fairly large for a gas station. That's what we're talking about here. This is a pretty big development Have you had any discussions or any the owner of the property discussions with this is right beside woodcreek farms? Um, it's it's on Yes, sir. It's close. Is that the other end of earth? Any discussions with them or any? No, sir, we have not. I don't believe our owner has at this point either But the site's been posted obviously so Every opportunity you discuss if they want Well, I mean the the application is thorough and there are a lot of different motions here We're gonna have to run through so What what is what what members of the board have questions for the african? I really don't have any and it's pretty Pretty straightforward I don't have any. I mean we're drawing some site plans and everything is pretty straightforward Reviewed the site plan All right, well very good. You must have had a good presentation then The application is very thorough because we don't have any questions So at this point like they asked any members of the public wish to speak on this matter And there's no emails We hadn't received any calls either. We had put it on regular just because it was so many discussion points for the same parcel And it doesn't look like we have any callers Okay, all right, we'll close public input moving to board discussion. This is um Yeah, this is sort of the tight place that needs a gas station and convenience store and a car wash and To me Yeah, when you look at it on google maps early like from a business investment standpoint, it kind of makes sense Great location doesn't yeah, I think you mentioned the Blake But it seems like there's still a buffer with the property being subdivided that kind of provide with that people who live there probably thrilled So Okay, well, I guess we don't really have any board discussion on this matter Which is very good. So how do you want us to do all these motions racial? We're taking would it be two motions for the first item and then two more four total is that correct? It is going to be four total. Yes the convenience store the gas station and then the last two drive-through for restaurant drive-through for car wash Okay, well, let's start with the convenience store portion like to get a motion regarding a special exception for the convenience store on this property motion So move subject to staff comments Okay, second second motion second all those in favor, please say aye. All right. Any opposed? Okay, very good. All right. Let's get a motion regarding the the gasoline station portion of this project Make a motion a special exception be accepted for the gas station Okay Second motion second all those in favor, please say aye. All right. Any opposed? All right, very good. Let's ask for a motion of special exception to permit a drive-through facility for a restaurant use Motion to approve pending staff comments Second motion second all those in favor, please say aye. All right. Any opposed? Okay, lastly, let's ask for a motion for a special exception to permit to permit a drive-through facility for the car wash I move that we approve. I already done something I don't even move that we approve the special exception for the car wash drive-through facility Subject to staff comments. Okay. Motion to second all those in favor, please say aye. All right. Any opposed? Okay, very good. Good project. Good luck with it Two reminders of just remember your continuing ed. So we're coming into the fourth quarter of the year Um, just keep an eye out for communication from sky robinson barn She's the one that's monitoring and just make sure you keep up with those Um, if the new year comes and you haven't gotten those hours and you're not exempt We can't let you sit on the board until those are done. So just Keep that in mind And then our new code is finally effective It happened So that was on august 30th. So All of these applications came in before that effective date. So that's why everything was under the now old code Next month is probably going to be Half and half. So we did have some people squeeze in applications before that august 30th date. So you'll have a few Holdover cases and then we'll have some under the new ordinance. So I'll be sending you all some information And helpful materials leading up to next month so that The criteria changed only slightly I'll send you that new criteria and the goal with the new ordinance too is we may see a reduction in the length of our agenda going forward For small adjustments So but and I haven't forgotten about doing a kind of work session to go over things So we will definitely do that and go over the new code together and as always Feel free to reach out to me if you all have questions so but Very good. It's our motion to adjourn So moved Second All in favor, please say aye. All right. Bye. Okay