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Is there anyone here for public comment? If you're here for public comment, please raise your hand or signal by pressing the hand button at the bottom of the screen. And no one is doing that. So we're done with public comment. Sorry, I do see, I thought I was muted. I do see one. Oh, one hand? Yes. Okay. This is general public comment, not related to anything on the agenda. And that's Mr. Rafiq, Rafiq. Hello, welcome, Mr. Rafiq. Yeah. Can you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you. Sorry about that. You know, I guess this is about the agenda, but this is my first one at one of these things. So I just wanted to know how it goes. I believe there's a hearing for an outdoor permit here. So I'm expected to speak at that time. Is that how it is? Yes. Okay, got it. Your temporary outdoor dining application, Bistro 63. Yeah, exactly. And I was just wondering, is there a time that's going to happen or it just sort of depends on how long everything else takes? Actually, you know, you are next on our agenda. So why don't we just move from public comment into licenses and under consideration is the temporary outdoor dining application for license for Bistro 63 Monkey Bar, Incorporated 63 North Pleasant Street. And Steve, did you have anything to say about this or this is just a... So this is another outdoor dining application for Bistro 63. It'll be, I believe, identical to how it was last year. I did note there was some live music mentioned in the application, but the applicant does not currently have a live entertainment license. So they would need to apply for that before before they could do that part of it, but everything else should be in order. Okay, great. Thank you to everyone. Get a chance to look at the paperwork. And does anyone have any questions? Yes, Doug. I mean, I think the general question I have is just, you know, Steve indicated and maybe Mr. Rifty can address this. Just, you know, are the hours of operation kind of like what we had last year? It's a similar space, similar, you know, management plan is what you're intending to do. And, you know, is there anything really different from how you operated last year in this outdoor space? Nothing, nothing different. I think we requested a smaller space this year because their covered deck has full capacity again. So we anticipate most of our guests wanting to sit out there and, you know, same hours, the live music, we're hoping to be like an acoustic musician once a week. You know, it's all dinner, dinner and lunch hours during the summer for us anyway. Nothing different besides the smaller space. Yes, Doug. Just to follow up, you know, anything from last year that you had that, you know, that you experienced that will, you know, require you to make some slight changes or did everything run pretty smoothly last year? I'm just curious about your experience last year and whether that's modifying anything for your operation this year? Yeah, everything was very, very smooth. You know, I think it's a very generous thing that the town does. We are very grateful that it's happening again, you know, minus adjusting for the type of furniture that's out there exposed to the elements. Everything will be exactly the same. Thank you. Thanks. Does anyone else have any questions or comments? Or anything? I have one thing I just wanted to bring up, and this is not anything that's in any kind of official criteria. Really just something I wanted to bring up for discussion is something I noticed with the site last year and the year before is that it's kind of just a consequence of where the business is located. With the canvas screening up above the Jersey Barriers, there I did notice that the sight lines for the crosswalk that goes across from that location to CVS were a bit obstructed. And sometimes if you were trying to cross the street, you'd have to kind of pop your head up and as a driver, you'd kind of have to be careful because there wasn't much of a sight line for people coming out in the crosswalk. And so I just kind of wanted to just bring that up was this discussion idea. And Ross, if I don't know if you have any thoughts on that, but it did strike me as something that could potentially be a little bit hazardous. Yeah, if I may, I think, you know, if the police can provide a sort of an additional, like a watch out for pedestrian sign that could potentially go up on the barriers, I definitely hear what you're saying, we are walking across to that CV. I think that could be really helpful. And I think it'll be a good thing if it's possible to get something like that. So, Steve, are you talking about that's don't we, isn't there one in the middle of the street already or no? I think there is, yeah. My observation was just that with the, you know, Bistro 63 put up some kind of canvas screening above the Jersey Barriers, which I do think was a nice aesthetic touch, but it did kind of restrict the sight lines for people of average height trying to see around as they walk out in the street. Oh, you mean stepping off the curb on the pavement. Okay, all right, that's fine. Yeah, and there is a, there is a something in the middle of the street. I think there is, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Sometimes they get hit by cars and disappear, but. Yeah, okay. Well, maybe we could, Doug, yes. I was just gonna suggest we might reach out to, I was just looking at the application. We don't have a place for the police chief to sign off, but it might work in this case in particular because it's so close to crosswalk. It might work checking in with them as his thoughts about how it might remediate a little bit because I think it's a safety question. I don't know if it's a burden that, you know, Bistro 63 necessarily needs to bear unless we sort of that this year because we don't have anything regulation-wise in place for that. But I think, but certainly get some feedback from the police would be helpful and if there was some signage that could be set up, that'd be great too. If I may add something, I know that, you know, we put up these, I think it's like burlap so that the dining area is a little bit more appealing to guests. However, I've also seen the other areas that are set up on the same street, just a little bit of Antonio's and I think Arigato in the past, what would happen is that even though they didn't have the same visual obstruction, people sitting there would proceed to cross the street instead of going back on the sidewalk. So I think, you know, while considering this, maybe some sort of signage on all the jersey barriers is something that could be helpful because, you know, yeah, just there's a bike lane when there's no jersey barriers, cars crossing and humans crossing, cars have a minute to see the people at least get out and get onto the street. What's happening here in both instances is that people are crossing the jersey barriers and are instantly in the way of the cars and for a speeding car and maybe for an unattentive human, they may not have time to avoid each other. Right, right, okay. So it's not just at your spot. I don't know, is it worth asking some of the police to come in and talk to us about it or do we just send an email? How do we get Kelly? I would suggest we send an email because I don't think we're not gonna grant a license. Right. Based on that, but it is something worth asking, kind of, just in a job they feel, yeah. Okay, all right, okay. Let me email to the police. Okay, all right, so we can work on that. All right, great, thank you. Any other questions? General concerns, Steve? I have nothing else, nope. Okay, if there's nothing else, is there a motion to approve temporary lifetime dining application for PISTA-63? It's moved. Thank you, Doug, is there a second? Second. Thank you, Dylan, any further discussion? If not, I'll take a vote, Doug. Hi. Dylan. Hi. Allie. Hi. And I vote aye. It is four to zero with one absent. The temporary outdoor dining license for PISTA-63 Monkey Bar is approved. Thank you very much for coming in, Mr. Rafiq, and I hope everything goes well this summer. Thank you very much. I appreciate all of you. Oh, thanks. Bye. Okay, so the next one is the special short-term alcohol serving license application, SST-22-33, Hannah Reckstofen. Yes. Yes, okay. Yes, hi. Four. Yes, thank you all so much for convening this. I really appreciate it. You're welcome. So you are having something on this weekend. Yes. Two days. Yes. So this is at the Mill District? It is at the Mill District in North Amherst. Yeah, it is Amherst Pride, Amherst First Pride Event, which is very exciting. Okay. And what's helpful? I can give an overview of the whole event or just the portion as it pertains to the license we're seeking. Sorry, I've not done this before. Oh yeah, sure. Why don't you just give an overview and then describe if there's anything we'll have questions for you. Absolutely. So on Saturday the 4th, it's the first day of two days of celebrating. And we have a pop-up market from 4 p.m. to 7 p.m. and then a Pride After Dark drag show from 7 p.m. to 10 p.m. And what we're seeking is to have an outdoor drinks garden fenced off in an area where you can watch the show from there, but if you are consuming alcohol, you will have to stay within the fenced perimeter. And that will be available from 6 p.m. to 10 p.m. And so we have all of our servers who will be overseeing that space. We have five tip-certified servers. And then myself, I will be checking IDs and giving risk bracelets at the entrance of the fenced space. Yeah, and everything closes down at 10 p.m. We do because we're in North Square in the middle district in North Amherst. There is noise restriction. So we do, when we have events up here, we do shut down in a very timely manner. So it won't be something that just sort of continues on after 10 p.m. Okay. All right, great. Thank you. Yeah. Is there, anyone have any questions for Hannah? Yes, Kelly. What is that anticipated age range for the after dark event at the show? Is it, you know, families or is it more for adults or? I think we are sort of trending it a little bit more towards adults. We do have four local drag performers. They all asked the same question, kind of who's gonna be in the audience. I'm anticipating that we're gonna see the crowd gear a little bit more towards the 17 to 85 age range. At that point, all of the performers are cognizant that there might still be children around. The earlier part of the day does include a lot of children's activities. So if people want to hang out with their kids and watch the show and be a part of the whole thing, they are more than welcome. And it is one of the reasons that we set the drinking area away from the performance area rather than just having it all be sort of blended together. And also to be able to strictly control who is in the drinking area and not allow any alcohol beverages to leave that area. Oh, Doug, did you have a question? Oh, thanks. No? Great, thank you. Yeah. Does anyone else have any other questions? And so you've got the, you send a map, right? I did. You should mention too that we will have food available. Oh, great. As well. Yes. That is one of our concerns. Is that there- Yes, definitely. For the duration of alcohol service. Yeah, we have two food vendors on site. And then we will also have signage pointing out that people can walk right down the road to the harp, which will also be open for dinner until 11. And then Amherst House of Pizza is also in walking distance as well. Okay, great. Super. Thank you. Any other questions for Hannah? If not, is there a motion to approve? It is a SST 22-33. So moved. Thank you, Doug. Is there a second? Second. Thank you, Dylan. Any further discussion? Hearing none, we'll take a vote, Doug. Aye. Kelly. Aye. Dylan. Aye. And I vote aye. That is four to zero with one absent and the license is approved. Thank you so much for coming in. And good luck with your program. Thank you so much. Hope to see you all this weekend. All right, bye-bye. Bye. Thank you, Hannah. I will issue that for you tonight. And just on the food note, I spoke to Susan Malone, the health inspector earlier today. And she was a bit unclear on what kind of vendors might be there. So it might be worth sending her an email reaching out on that. Oh yeah, we've been in touch. Okay, great. Yep, yep, yeah. Yeah, she's been working directly with vendors, but we have some new folks who need some hand-holding, yeah. Okay, great. Thank you. Awesome, thanks, Steve. Thank you all. Thanks, bye-bye. Bye. Okay, so discussion items. So rental registration program. And I think that was, Gaston was supposed to be putting a letter or something together for the CRC, but he's not here. So we'll move on to the next one, which is lunch cart regulations. And what I sent you, I don't know if you have time to look at it. So there's a draft of the lunch cart let regulations that I've been working on. And then where they're the copy of the old regulations from the select board days, which I guess Steve got a couple of inquiries last time about maybe bringing more lunch carts into town. And since we hadn't approved what the lunch cart regulations that we've been working on, we just wanted to see if what we have is fine for potential lunch carts in case they happen to turn up in the next couple of weeks. So I don't know. What I haven't made a whole lot of changes. I think I did put in under the authority that the town council had approved the board of licensed commissioners having jurisdiction over the public way in certain areas so that we can grant without having to go to the town council lunch cart parking in non-designated lunch cart spaces that everything looks good. And I did have something in the new ones about lunch carts being like X number of feet from brick and mortar establishments, but I hadn't figured out exactly how close they were, what that X number was going to be. So I'm still looking into that. So I don't know. Do we need to? Yes, done. Just a couple of things. First, the simplest thing. In section nine under hours of operation in the last line, the word R, A-R-E is spelled A-T-E. So I think, you know, spell checks, they're gonna find it. So it's just, I believe it's supposed to be when they are not open and not operating. Did I spell it eight? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I think the other thing I would suggest, I mean, just, you know, you have a section on short-term licenses and the potential of a short-term alcohol or wine mall license. I think we wanna be careful with that because there's no open containers except we're allowed on the common. And that's only by, Steve may have to remind us what it is. I think it's only in conjunction with events that allow for it. I don't think it, we didn't just suddenly allow open containers. I think what they, what the, I think that would allow us to, you know, make the common and open, you know, basically the enclosed space for the, for the event would be like the common. Okay. And so there's open containers. So I think that's one of the questions around that I had just in looking at that section was, what implies that you could, you could basically, you know, and I don't know if you, yeah, so short-term we may wanna define what that is a little more precise about how long that is. Oh, I see. Yeah, okay. Which is different than seasonal because I wouldn't want somebody to say, oh, I'll get a license, you know, it's not a seasonal, so it's six months, it's, you know, a month, but they do a month and, and, you know, have a liquor license that sort of is 30 days, a short-term liquor license 30, and suddenly we've got an alcohol, you know, open container alcohol situation. I think that will also get a lot of negative pushback from the brick and mortar businesses. So I think that's the section I think we might need to look at a little more closely. And if we're, if we're going to, I think the thinking was like, if there is an event on the comments and wanted short-term license for that event. So, and also a lunch card license at the same time, we may just need to tie those together with the duration and the enclosed spaces available and some of that sort of stuff that make it clear that these sort of, these two licenses sit on top of each other, both physically and, and, and functionally. So if I just renamed that like an event license? I mean, I think short-term is probably fine because that's what we call the liquor license. I think, you know, maybe define, and maybe it's up to the definition section, what we mean by that. And I think we're not what we want to be because we may want to be more restrictive with, with that than, than what the state allows under short-term license, you know, and we've done, you know, like we did with, with, you know, as you mass where we, you know, sort of under one application, multiple repeated event dates, you know, like every Thursday, Friday, Saturday for, you know, eight weeks in a row or something, you know, we, we did sort of under the, the single license granting. We can still do that here. I just think we want to be sort of conscientious of, of the maximum number of perhaps days, maximum number of continuous days, as opposed to total number of days, because we might have a thing where like it's a, yeah, somebody wants to set up and we're okay with them setting up, you know, Thursday, Friday, Saturday for July and August. So it's, you know, eight weeks and it's only three days and it's only, you know, four hours. And you know, that might all work in a way. I can't imagine the circumstance, but I just, that might fall under like a single license instead of having to get eight licenses. Although it could be, you know, generate some revenue by making it eight licenses. I don't know. I mean, I just, those are kind of things I think about, you know, versus, oh, it's a weekend event like the, you know, somebody wants to do a, at the fair, you know, in late August, they want to have, you know, cocoa bar and beer, you know, kind of thing. That's a, you know, that's a sort of classically short-term three-day kind of deal. So I just think we want to frame it properly so there's no confusion about how those would work, especially if there's going to be an alcohol license and there's nothing with it. And so you think this can be handled by defining short-term and tying it in? Yeah, I mean, I think we, and we may need to have discussions about what we mean by that. And we may revisit our conversations about our short-term alcohol licenses. Okay. Because somebody could obviously want to do a short-term license, just to serve food too, you know, and that kind of falls a little bit into the category that we were just discussing at the right a bit. Right. It sounds like they're going to try to have sort of food trucks. Like that technically should fall under this license. Oh, right. It should. You know, but obviously they have to jump the hoops with the inspectors. But I think that that's, you know, a consideration. You know, it's like, do we want to license those things? It's an unusual location. You know, I don't think the, and I'd have to reread the whole policy. I just kind of skimmed it, but I don't think you talked about a short-term license. It talked more about a seasonal or a full-year license. So I think the idea of a short-term license is not a bad thing. But I think we want to just, you know, a tight end with our liquor license thing if we want to allow for people to serve alcohol at the same time and then, you know, have it interfere with the existing food inspection and that sort of stuff. Okay. All right. Thank you. I think for this particular event, it wouldn't apply because it's on private property, but I could definitely imagine a very similar event happening in a town parking lot or something. So, or the comments. So. Okay. Yeah. So we wanted to hire 10 food trucks and set up in the high school parking lot. They have to read the rules if it's okay. Still kind of a public space. Certainly Mattoon Street's public, you know, it gets, it gets ill-defined and that's not a good place to be. Okay. All right. Dillon. So yeah, I got a question about the X number of feet around the lunch carts being, providing notice to butters being, a butters being residents or just other restaurants. And this is, go ahead. I know, I think they're both, I think I don't think it's an issue with the spaces we've already designated, but let's say somebody wants to do, I don't know, go somewhere in South Amherst and put a food truck down on the street and for whatever reason, and then someone's going to have it just to let somebody know like outside your house, like there's going to be a food truck. So I don't know if that's necessary, but if you, you know. I mean, I think that makes sense. But this is just for a short term that we would be doing on a butters notice. I don't know. Did I not put it in locations outside? I guess I only have it in for short term. I think I pulled that in from another town's regulations to be honest and didn't think kind of work it all the way through. And that's only, and we're only looking to do a butters notices when it's something outside of the designated, these are the lunch cart ones of somebody wanted to say, do it in a parking spot that isn't one that we like designated, that's the case, what we're thinking we would want to notify a butters. Am I right about that? That's a general thinking. I think so. I mean, I don't think they don't, in the past we haven't done enough butters notice for the standard, the designated parking spots that we had listed in the regulations. But, oh, I think Doug and then Halle. Yeah, I was just going to say, I think that, you know, especially if we're considering a new location that's not on the list, you know, we get the list prescribed within the regs. Anytime I think we're considering a new location that whether it be, you know, an annual or a seasonal or a short term license, then in a butters notice, you know, in advance of our hearing the application. So there's got to be a little lead time for them to get the notice to people and have them be able to come and speak to their circumstances. Because like, you know, like you said, it's like if somebody wants to set up a seasonal thing in front of somebody's house, you know, the homeowner may object, it may be a great spot. It may create traffic things that, you know, like police doesn't care about, but the homeowner does. We want to know that, you know, we want to give them a chance to sort of make their case. We may still be okay with the license. I just think it's fair to include it on all those, but particularly in the cases with a new location for sure. Okay, all right, thanks. Halle. I mean, I was going to say the same thing, that if you're providing notice with that, to me it goes hand in hand a chance for the people being provided notice to be heard on what's happening. And so I would also then put, even if they're, you know, if it's a beyond seasonal, even if it's a seasonal thing, you know, somebody might not have a problem to start with, but then all of a sudden it might be, oh gosh, they're, you know, operating loudly. There's rodents or who knows what. So some sort of review or at least way for people who have been provided notice to complain about the food trucks location. Right, definitely. So I just, it's just a matter of figuring out how far we want, can the area to be around the food truck? Yeah, I was going to say we could do, I know what we do with the zoning board of appeals. I think it's, I want to say it's 200 feet, is he a butter? I know it's two weeks ahead of time. You know, they must be notified two weeks before the meeting. And then it's either a hundred, 200 to 300. I never remember, I want to say it's 200. And you just notify those people, and we could just use that. That's, I believe there's like a legal rationale of why the zoning board of appeals uses it, not saying that we have to use it here, but it might be a good one to use. It's a good place to start. Is two weeks enough? Yeah, sorry, go ahead, Doug. I was gonna say, I think the question is useful question. What I would also suggest, maybe review as a framework, if nothing else for the language, is that also with a brand new alcohol license, there's a requirement, I mean, they require like certified letters to the abutters, and you have to like, when they show up at the hearing, they have to show up with the little receipt cards and all that sort of stuff. I don't know if we want to go that far, but certainly that language that's in our alcohol regs might be valuable, and it gives some timelines and some of that sort of stuff that might be helpful for framing the language of it, which is probably very parallel to what Dylan was talking about in the ZBA. That one might be 500 feet with alcohol licenses. We may decide that's too big a radius. 500 feet to 10th of a mile, that's basically a city block, standard sort of block. That's a pretty big space for a lunch cart. For an alcohol license, that's, if you live on the block with the new alcohol license, that's, you want to know. But that's just to give you a kind of frame of reference as far as distances, so. I also think that some of this, the bid in the chamber might also have some interesting feedback relative to, not so much the notification, but what their members think around, in a general sense, it might inform our decision making about new locations. They may have some things that we haven't thought about, that they think about relative to impacts on brickmore businesses, and again, they might just, I mean, if you provide it as advice and we can take it as that, it wouldn't necessarily alter what we do or what we allow, but I think certainly when we're considering new locations as a thing to keep in mind, we may not need to formalize it into regulation, some of that, like, if we have a general rule of thumb, it's like, all right, well, you want to be a little further, you want to be away from a brickmore food business, perhaps, except in some special, and it may make a difference as to whether it's a seasonal slash annual versus a short-term, short-term, we may be more willing to allow them to be closer, because it's just for a weekend kind of thing, as opposed to, you know, something's gonna be there for five months, you know, the impact on a brickmore business, a lot greater when they're there every day. So, anyway, just some thoughts. Okay. Yeah. I also think with the 500 feet for alcohol, is that we're only concerned about that if they're gonna be serving alcohol, if they're just a food truck that's not serving alcohol, we won't pose that restriction of 500 feet. I found that it's 300 feet in mass general law for in a butter. We could use that as our standard, I think that might be a little big, but could also be fine 300 feet when you actually walk it as if I know it's being much shorter than I think it would be. Right. The other one I actually had a thought on here was, I think it's what, section 12, lunch carts may not play loud music or use any kind of sound implication to attract customers. Would that apply to something like an ice cream truck? Would they not be able to play their jingle? I don't, well, they don't stop. I mean, they don't really, they're not parked anywhere. So we don't license those. They just kind of... But if somebody wanted to have something similar, like a jingle, would we not allow it? Because I think we might wanna just put in like some sort of language, like unless reviewed by the board and approved by the board or something like that. So we could, because I definitely agree, I don't like the idea of a lunch cart coming and blaring music all day. That sounds like a nightmare. We've been tricky in the straw all day long. Yeah, I think to, I think what happens with like an ice cream truck is they often play it when they're driving and then when they stop, they turn it off. And that could be a thing we could do too, is that if we had a circumstance where it's like, well, once you're stationary, you don't get to do any amplified music or anything, but it might be something worth considering some flexibility there. Cause it might be a thing where just to announce, if they're taking orders and they're like number 35 and you come get your order, that can be helpful to have that kind of an amplification. So. Right. Okay. So section 11, okay. Yeah, it says, actually, how do you have a craze is interesting because you have any sound amplification to attract customers. That would allow for, they radically sound amplification for business functionality, but also for entertainment for existing customers. You know, that's what it becomes. You know, it's like, oh, it's, you know, the music while you're dining kind of thing. That's not the implicitly ruled out, but. Has anyone ever been to a lunch cart that has music for entertainment? I think if I have, it was a radio for the people working. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, that kind of thing. That's a different thing. Okay. So, all right. So I have the, a butter's notice, feet, how much time is required for notification, music, stationary lunch carts, and the tie in with the liquor license, look into the short term tie in the short term liquor license. That's great. Okay. And then bid and chamber of commerce. Super. So, what was great. Thank you. Oh, yeah, go ahead. Just one thing about the bid and chamber, you know, I mean, the simple response you're going to get is, no, we don't want them, right? Right. But it can articulate more specifically the kinds of burdens they impose or problems that they cause whether it's sort of, you know, oh, they take foot traffic away from us or they block the view to our business or, you know, those kind of things, you know, obviously it's a competitive market. So they're going to take some business. That's understandable. But if there are particular things that are problematic, then that might give us some good indication about, oh, and maybe we don't want to put, you know, a place, you know, like one of the places that's allowed is on the sidewalk, I think right next to the, it's the Bank of America. That's literally right next to, or you know, the Chinese restaurant right there at that corner of that building, you know, that's tough. I mean, you know, if you're going to set up your food stand right next to somebody's got to pay rent and all that sort of stuff. So, you know, anyway, so I think specific feedback from them would be much more helpful, I guess. Okay. Specific feedback. All right, great. Thank you. So in the meantime, thanks for all your input. Are the ones that we have sufficient in case a lunch cart does come into town? I mean, I mean, I would like to get these approved a little more quickly, as soon as possible. But I guess we can work with what we have. Is that right, Steve? Yeah, I mean, the ones that we have are still controlling. And I mean, if we feel like we're ready to move forward and I think this is a very strong draft, I mean, we could try to have, you know, one more round of board feedback at the next meeting and then send it to the lawyer and approve it the one after that. Okay, that would be good. Yeah, neither of the two that had reached out to me is for permanent lunch carts seemed to be that. They didn't seem to follow up, so. Oh, they didn't. Well, that's good, I guess, it gives us more time. So I'll have work on a draft for next time and we can have another discussion and maybe run it by the lawyer. And hopefully at the time after that, we can have it approved. All right, great. Okay, so moving on, our last item of discussion is the letter to establishments. And this came up last time, and I think this was your idea. So Dylan, we got a ABCC went into Hazel's Blue Lagoon. Steve, do you wanna tell Dylan getting the rundown of what happened? Yeah, there was a ABCC report that was received by their, you know, submitted to, I received a copy of it, it was produced by their investigators and they were doing a compliance check as they routinely do and they went to Hazel's Blue Lagoon and they found the doors were locked. They knocked on the doors and had trouble getting anybody's attention, but finally a bouncer came out and asked who they were and they said they're investigators and there was some kind of altercation. The bouncer asked if they had a problem and pushed the investigator away when he tried to walk in and eventually they were able to make access and it appeared that everybody there was very young and they carted, I don't know how many people they carted but they carted six people who were underage and one of them testified that all this place is well known for everybody underage to come here. So the ABCC has parallel jurisdictions so they're holding their own hearing. It's a bit of an open question what we can do for violations they find. I'm not sure if there's some that the board can do additional sanctions or not but regardless their hearing will be on the 14th of this month. So in the meantime, I think what is a good, I think I am gonna try to get to that hearing on the 14th. It's a video conferencing or phone conferencing. There's a number and then a pin code that you put in and I think Steve you said you're interested in going to. I think what I'd like to do is just to hold off on pulling them in for a conversation until after, sometime later after the hearing. I'd like to Steve, I do think it's good. I think we talked about this last time to talk to the lawyer and find out if there is what our responsibilities are and the overlapping jurisdiction which I don't know if there is with the ABCC. I think that question is a good one. And in the meantime, we was thinking just of a letter to all establishments in town, reminding them that even though the students are gone, it's probably, please be on the lookout for underage drinkers, that kind of thing. So that's what I think might be a good thing to do. So does anyone else? I think they're, I think just pulling them in for a conversation. I think it's a little, might be a little premature yet and just to see what it all plays out on the state level. Do we know what time that meeting is? I want to add to my calendar. I think it's, is that noon? Noon on the 14th. I am pretty sure Dylan, during the last meeting I forwarded the email along to the whole board. And I would have copied you on that if I did. So you might find it if you dig back, but if not, I can send the whole email I got to you. Wonderful. Thank you Steve. Okay. So I will, Steve, I'll work on, Steve and I, we can work on that letter and look it over the next time at our next meeting, which will be after doing. Okay, great. So we have, and then there was the police email too, the email to the police about that crossing in front of the monkey bar to establish me. Okay. Great. Anything else on this one? If not topics not reasonably anticipated 48 hours prior to the meeting. Any topics unanticipated? Review of minutes. Do we have minutes today? Not today. Nope. Okay. All right. Anything else? Oh, our next meeting is Thursday. Dylan, last time we decided to move to Thursday, back to Thursday at five. Yeah. Okay. The 16th, I guess would be our next one. Yeah. The 16th at five o'clock is our next meeting. Wonderful. All right. If there's nothing else, I will, is there a motion to adjourn? So moved. Thank you, Doug. Is there a second? Second. Thanks Dylan. Let's take a vote. Doug. Aye. Kelly. Aye. Dylan. Aye. And I vote aye. That is four to zero with one absent. We're adjourned at five 44 PM. Thanks everybody. See you on the 16th at five. All right. Bye. You leave. Can I have you stay on for two seconds? I have a question about a reappointment. Me? Yeah. Yeah. As you.