 So obviously law school is limited in that it's, you know, 90% book work. I did get some experience by doing an internship at the public defender's office, but once I left there and I left law school that is and went to the public defender's office, I immediately started getting trial experience. Obviously there's nothing like hands-on doing it in the courtroom. It's not like book work, right? So I got a lot of experience there. Additionally, you know, it's forming those relationships with the people that you're going to have to deal with in the system. That includes the judges, that includes prosecutors, having a relationship with them, knowing how to deal with them, knowing what evidence is important, what facts are important, what's going to carry the day and what's going to end up getting the best results for our client.