 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump, mind pump, with your hosts. Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, for the first 20 minutes, Adam, Justin, and- I'm Justin now. Justin. I don't know how I said that. Just a moron. Adam, Justin, Jigaloo. Hey, everywhere I go. Adam, Justin, and President Sal. Talk about- Oh, God. The president. First, we talked about- I think Denmark might have- We're never going to hear that word ever again. Denmark might have just dethroned you. We talked about the president poll on our Facebook forum. We love our forum, and they did a poll there. Who they would want to be president. We also talked about- You know what? Why don't you take- Not Adam. Since you're bringing up the forum right now, why don't you tell everybody what we're going to do with the forum? Oh, okay. It's a good time. So, this month is your last chance ever to be able to get into our forum by paying $97 once for life. So, in other words, if you pay $97, you're in our forum forever. After this month, it's going to be an annual fee, so you'll have to pay it every single year. But if you enroll this month, $97 once, our forum is awesome. It's freaking awesome. We've got some really smart people on there. We are on there ourselves every single day. It's a fun group. It's a great place to get support for fitness. There's a lot of funny stuff that gets posted on there. It's like a reflection of the show. A lot of times. Extension of it. Yeah, so it's pretty cool. So, we talk about Matt Lauer's creepy button. That's disgusting. Son of a bitch. I think I mentioned Russell Simmons in that too. Another disgusting man. They're all just going down. We started on Russell Simmons because he just, that just recently came out yesterday. And we talk about the conspiracy theories behind this Hollywood meltdown. Adam thinks someone else is behind all this. I think there's another person behind all this. Who's causing all these people to go down? Are they in bed together? Probably. The earth is flat. Then Justin talks about the punisher. Either that or we call him the punisher. And then we talk about my return to the steam room. Oh, shit. Oh, it's no battle continues. It's naked. We also mentioned a couple of our sponsors. We mentioned Organify. Now, if you go to organifyshop.com forward slash mine pump, you'll get a massive discount on their products. We also mentioned Thrive Market. Thrive Market has all non-GMO products and lots of organic products, including skin products. We actually came up with an idea in this episode. You're gonna like that one. If you go to thrivemarket.com forward slash mine pump, here's what you'll get. One month free membership, $20 off your first three orders of $49 or more and free shipping. Then we get into the questions. So the first question was, this particular individual has been consuming a particular type of protein powder, dimetized iso 100 in fact, every single day for a while. Not specific at all. And they've been taking, and it's got sucralose in it. All of a sudden, they can't digest it. It just bothers their stomach. They want to take a vegan protein, but they all taste like dirt. What do we recommend in terms of protein and what may be going on? How come all of a sudden they can't digest something that they've always been able to digest? God made dirt and dirt don't hurt. In the past. The next question was, this particular individual loves our show, loves how we talk about listening to our body, but wants to know if she's listening to our body or if she's just making excuses. Like for example, I'm not working out today. Am I listening to my body? Am I just lazy right now? The next question was, have Justin Adam of myself ever injured a client? The answer is yes. And you're gonna love hearing about who's injured the most people. You shouldn't be laughing, Justin. Me! The final question is, is it possible for a person to have an unhealthy mind but have a healthy body? Can you separate the two or is it all the same? Find out in this episode. Of course, I did mention the forum is gonna be going up again. This is your last chance, $97 once to get in. Oh, also I forgot to mention this. If you enroll in any maps program or maps bundle, you'll get an offer right then and there to get 50% off the price of the forum as well. So we got some great stuff going on. Just go to mindpumpmedia.com. So we haven't even announced on the show all the different clothes that we have. We have dad hats, we have the trucker bills. We've got the girls' shirts that all the girls have been asking for, like crazy, like we haven't made girls' shirts. We're hooking you up. Right, so there's a long sleeve. I think there's a short sleeve also and then there's a new We Train Your Trainer mind pump shirt in black and gray. It's a great shirt. So a bunch of cool apparel. Yeah, yeah, so there's a bunch of apparel on the website. What else did you say, Doug? That's it. Oh, we're doing questions and answers on YouTube. Oh yeah, on the YouTube. Yeah, so we have video quads on YouTube right now. We do like one question, but we go into detail on that on the video. We have a lot of fun too, because you get to see us. So if you haven't gone over to YouTube yet, you're missing out. We're doing some cool stuff there. For the Q&A episodes there, you can actually find the Qua episodes and then ask questions underneath in the comments. And then if we pick your question, we'll answer it in the following video episodes. Just more ways to end up on the show. Boom, there you go. Absolutely, and it's t-shirt time. Awesome. So we had 12 reviews this last week. Ooh, kinda soft. That's weak. Yeah, a little weak. And there's gonna be four shirts going out. Thanksgiving hangover, bro. Yep. Thanksgiving hangover. That's what it is. People feel guilty. So the four winners are Fit Forward Mom. They're avoiding us. Murphy Motivation, Lindsey Zoe, MP Doherty, and you're all winners. So send the name, I just read to itunes at mindpumpmedia.com, send your shirt size, your shipping address, and we'll get that right out to ya. Thanks everybody. I remember my best friend and I, this was when we had my place, just the two of us, and we were single. And we had just both came off of relationships, and we were fucking gamers, dude. We worked all day, nine to five, we came home, but game till midnight. Like that was like fucking what we did. That's so weird. And we loved life. And you're drinking all kinds of rock stars and shit. Bro, I had my house, making six figures, give video gaming, fucking all night long, have a great job that I love. You just playing. Oh dude, I was on top of the world. And I remember telling my buddy and I, we both had this conversation like, we'll always do this. You're like, I wish we were gay. We're like, no woman is ever gonna come between this. Oh my god, dude. This could be every day. Yes, it was. It was every day, bro. We were ranked in shit. We were that. That's terrible. Yes. Yes. We don't need to get laid. We're just gonna play video games. It sounds like such a waste of time. But for you though. Yeah, when you see it, when you see people, and I'm on the outside. So Bradley is like on another level of that. Like, so he was worse than I was. He's all consoles, right? Yeah, and I always know when someone's bad, like badly, because they're right away like, so what's your handle? You know, it's like, right away. So I go look your stats. What was it? They're like, they're gonna peep you out. I was a mushroom stamper. Mushroom stamper. Oh my god. Of course you were. Mushroom stamper. Yeah. The first one too. I'm telling you, like so I was like, I didn't have to put it. I didn't have to put it in any, that's how old school I am is, you like now if you try to take that handle, it's probably been taken by 1,000 different ways with manipulating it. Do you guys remember your first email address? Cause remember when you first get your first one, your kid in China just got pulled? I don't know if I remember that. Dude, I just talked to Katrina. Yeah, I do remember that. Hot chicks for me. Hot chicks. No, what? Hot chicks for me. Hot chicks for me at yahoo.com. Hot mail. Hot mail was my first. Yeah, hot. What did you think I was gonna do? Dude, when you're just hotmailing that. When you're like 17 years old, that's the clever things you come up with. You know what's funny? I thought it was super clever then. So my brother, my brother. Nothing like a businessman, right? Like, yeah. So when we first got our computer or whatever at the house and my mom wanted to get her first email, she didn't know how to do it. So she asked my brother, who at the time was probably, I don't know, 13 or something like that. So she's like, hey, can you make me an email address? He was like, sure, no problem. So he gave her Italian rage. That was the Italian rage. To my mom. Yeah. He was totally, it was a dig, you know what I mean? Yeah, here you go, mom. We'll call you Italian rage. Take that. So my mom had that one for. That's hilarious. I swear to God for like 10 years, dude. Yeah. And so every time she did this. Oh, I had mine for a long time. Well, you know what, I didn't even, so I told Katrina this, we were talking about this, because she was teasing me. We were looking at my battery life and like where all my time is spent. You know, like fucking 40% Instagram, like 10%, like all this and that. And the very bottom is email. And she always busts my chops for not answering. They don't check the emails. They don't check my emails. And I'm like, you know why that is. I forget that I have email. Well, here's the reason why. Say 19 years old or 20 years old. Aren't you supposed to delete all of them? Well, listen. At 20 years old, I was at 24 already. At 24, they had whatever, would you call that an intro web or whatever it's inside the company or with it? So it was everyone who was, you know, Adam FM 504 at Hillsdale or whatever, you know what I'm saying? Like it was all of our within the company. Was it like a real email? No one else could email me except for my boss and boss. So my whole, so 10 years from 20 to almost 30. You didn't use actual email. I never used an actual email. Because anything that was really regarded to business or important to me that I needed, would I need to check my email? It was all coming through my work email. Exactly. So then when I got rid of that, I never was like, I'd never trained myself to have this habit. Like a lot of people like Katrina's like, she's crazy to me. She runs, I think like 10 emails, you know? It just filters them constantly. And she's like on top of all of them. Dude, there are, so there's, I'm gonna sound like such a fucking old, funny daddy. But apparently there's ways of organizing your email. I don't know. It's all in the same area. I don't know. That's a mystery. I open it up and it's like, you have 10,000 emails. You see it, but it was just folders here. Apparently you can make folders sophisticated. I don't know if you guys knew that or not. No, you can do all that. And you know what I just recently like started making a habit is because what I would do is I start an email address, never use it, piles up till there's 3,000 plus emails. Then you move to another one. Then I move to another one. You just keep doing that, right? So finally, and Katrina's like been yelling at me about this, right? She's like, listen, we're gonna clean up this email. That's not your identity. This and that. Right, right. She's like, so you're gonna do this one and you're gonna unsubscribe. Every time you see an email that you don't wanna open, open it, go to the bottom, unsubscribe. I will trump all that, dude. This was actually yesterday. I was just going down memory lane and I was thinking, you know, I'm getting back into music and I was gonna look at, you know, I knew that our old band profile was on MySpace. And I'm like, does MySpace even still exist? Right? And so I'm going on there and I'm looking and I'm like, holy shit, it's still there. Like our songs are there. And so I actually like- Is it still an active community? Yeah, I mean, it's active. People are, I don't know how active. Oh my God, Doug. It might be just like everybody that- Doug, can you please pull up? Everybody that like opened it, you know, one point. We all have MySpace's. I have MySpace's. I'm not even on there because like they replaced me with some guy. Yeah. Like after I left the band. They erased your memory. No, but they have like MySong on there and everything. But they took your face off of it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like the Soviet area pictures. You ever seen those old pictures from like the Soviet Union? MySpace. Where all of a sudden like they'll take out this like general. He's no longer in the picture and they replace it with like a dog or something like that. Because they killed him. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Dude, but so I was going through it in like, you could see like old friends that used to, you know, be attached to and stuff. And I was like, oh my God, is my roommate from college. Like I lived with him for like a year or two. And so I just like fucked with him. Like to email him through there. I was like, hey man, I saw that he was like into, you know, graphic design. He had some company that he was like running for all of a sudden. Like, hey man, I could really use your services. And at the end I was like, you redheaded motherfucker. And he was like, is that how you sign all your emails? And what the fuck is this MySpace, dude? Does this even still exist? Oh, it was the funniest thing ever. That's awesome. Yeah, that's awesome. Dude, so Adam, you got a little angry last night. What? On the forum. Yes. You got butt hurt. So I didn't get on to it. I saw your comment. I was like, I was like, get the fuck out of here with this. So on the forum. Somebody posts on the forum. Who would you elect for president? Who would you elect for president? And they've got all of us, including Doug. They've got Dimitar on there. One of our forum members. And then they got, who else they have on there? I think that's it, right? It was like The Rock or something. No, no, no. I think it was just us. It was just us. It was all of us. And then Dimitar. Yeah, one or two other people. And I had like random ones. I was like dead last with two votes. And I was like, fuck you. I was like, I get it. Fuck you guys. Are you scared of me? All the rest of these, these guys are pussies. They can't run this country. You need somebody who's going to grab this. Listen, everybody knows that you would be a fucking dictator. You wouldn't be a president. You'd be a dictator. You'd make crazy rules and laws being asshole. OK, OK. You'd put the dick in dictator. So I think if out of the three of us, if any of us were to be most like Donald Trump, 100% it would be me. For sure. So if you don't like. Yeah, you'd definitely tweet some shit. Right, I would do some groggy living in this. Yeah, we don't need to have them. I think that's probably. So I get it. So if you're like super anti-Trump and you're like, I bet Adam would be kind of like that, like your fucking ride and get what you didn't vote for. It was cracking me up because you said that. You're like, oh, fuck you guys, man. Fuck you guys, man. And then a bunch of, you know what it is, though? Because then you're partially joking, right? I know a bunch of four members are underneath comments like, oh, no, man. I was going to vote for you, but like. They tried to justify it. I had to think about it. Sal's really, you know, he talks like that. I'm like, get the fuck out of here, dude. Get out of here. So I'm the president, basically. Yeah, I know. That was just going neck and neck. Hey, can I just say something? I would never, ever want to do that. Ever, but I want to do that shit. Hell no. Can you imagine being president knowing all this shit that they, you imagine you walk in there and they're like, OK, we couldn't even protect you. Yeah, now that you're in the way. Oh, OK, welcome. You just got inaugurated. Come on in, have a seat. OK, so we're the ones that actually run the country. This is what you're going to say. You're just going to hate you. And here you go. No, I would never, ever, ever, ever. That would never be a goal of mine. Fuck no. You don't make enough money for that. You couldn't pay me enough. Well, they don't do it. You know what it is. Everybody hates you too. It's like, no matter what you do. You become the president. I don't think you ever need money again, right? Like everyone always says it like, right? The position is, what do they make? Like 300,000 a year. 400,000. 400,000 a year. Yeah, so it's like bullshit money, right? But all those guys all made millions of dollars in previous professions or entrepreneurship, right? Well, it's professional politicians. They make a lot of money afterwards doing speeches. Books, yeah, bullshit. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's all. And that's all side millions that they make. You just want to be known in history. The real thing is that you're the fucking president, bro. You have all the power. Think of anything in your mind that sounds ridiculous. Like you could have that done. Yeah, that's like, no, that's a dictator. See, this is what you don't understand. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's not the president, bro. The president doesn't have those powers in real life. Adam thinks it's king. He just wants to be the king of America. You peasants. Today we passed the law making president king or a monarchy again. No, you just do cool shit. Make America monarchy again. Make America monarchy again. Vote Adam. That Justin got second place, which I thought was pretty. It was interesting. That was interesting. I was like, why? That didn't surprise me because he's the favorite. And just because we're talking about politics, he'll be the guy that's just in front saying dumb shit. And then I'll basically be up there for a total of maybe 30 seconds, like my speech. And so everybody will move on with their day. And they'll be like, oh, you're like the male version of girl next door. You're just like the girl next door. You can hug me. I'm going to make America soft again. See, now I know if I ever become president, I'm going to make Adam my VP because then nobody will kill me. You know what I mean? Let's kill Salbeck. Adam will be president then. Fuck that. Better leave him alone. Did you guys see the news? So we just talked about this recently. Oh, god, dude. So where's the cue the sound, Justin? So what was the sound? Cue the fucking another one bites the dust. Oh, yeah. There it is. Another one got bit in the nuts. So Matt Lauer fired, which by the way, more information comes out. He's fucking disgusting. He had a button under his desk. Did you read about this? No, I didn't. He has a button under his desk that locks the door. What? Yes, dude. Creepy motherfucker. That's what they're saying. So apparently this woman says that she walked in. Because you know, he's a man in power, right? She walked in his office and he's like, take off your blouse or whatever. And she's like, I don't want her to try to leave. And he locks the door with the button. And then he convinces her to like, he like has sex with her. And then apparently she passes out. So I don't know what that's like. Yeah, it's pretty crazy. And then what's crazier, and I'll tell you why this is crazy, what's crazier is a video comes out where they're kind of off, like the cameras are off, but they're still mic'd up. And so you can see them on video. And Matt Lauer is commenting to, I think it's Katie Couric. And he's telling her and he goes, yeah, he goes, bend over again. He goes, it looks nice down your blouse or something like that on camera. And this video's like 10 or 12 years old. So let me tell you why that's crazy. Where's this fucking video been this whole time? Right, yeah, yeah. Why is it coming out? It's stored. All of a sudden they're like, released. It says like 10 years old. It's an older video. Doug, Google, when did Netflix start? Oh, you think Netflix is a- I'm gonna keep going into my conspiracy. I believe it, dude. I believe it. Let's confirm it right here. Let's get the tin foil back on. I mean, don't you think it'll be a little crazy if it's 10 years ago is where I- This is the whole big data stuff. Netflix is like, this is what we're gonna do. I mean, listen- We're gonna take out all the big dogs. Right, and you gotta think if you're a gangster, you had to have a vision that big that long ago. August 29th, 1997. Fucking 10 years ago on the dot, dude. Actually, no, that's- That'd be 20 years ago. Oh, 20 years ago. Math is fun! Doug's surprise save gave me one. I committed before. I'm supposed to be the numbers guy. I know. Doug was like, whoa, it's again. Must be right on. This is how you know when you're old, you look at- When you start to get old. You start to get a lot of money. You look at years and you start to think that they're not as far. Like 1997, for me, it's like, oh, that's a little while ago. That's what I felt like. That's a long time ago, bro. It was 17. That's crazy. They were not around in 97. They were started in 97, but hustling, trying to- Do you remember? I remember, so we lived- But they must have been shit in 97. So, no, you wanna know if they were- Redbox came out first, right? No, no, no, no. I thought it was like same time. No, no, no, no, Redbox. No, no, no, Netflix was first. No, no, no, Redbox is the one you get the DVDs on. Yeah, but Netflix was first. Really? Yes. Yes, dude. Dude, Redbox. Yeah, let's look at that. I guarantee Redbox is afterwards. Netflix, so we were, when we lived up- So you think Netflix is behind all this, all these accusations, all this stuff coming out? I do. I do. So I have a different conspiracy theory, 2002. Oh, you're right. You're right, sorry. So here's what I think. I think, here's my conspiracy theory. I think it's Trump. You think he's shaking it up? I think because- I could see that, because Hollywood- Hollywood is the liberals, they come. And Hollywood has gone after him from day one. And now, what a lot of people don't realize is- Just trying to turn the tide. After September 11th, well, first of all, before September 11th- So you know what you're going to- I would do some shit like this. Well, hold on, that's why you're not going to be president. No, it's just because nobody voted for you. Yeah. That's why you don't get- That's why you don't win, bro. So here's the thing. It's all right. Here's the thing. Well, a lot of people don't realize this. Now, before September 11th, the FBI and CAAs always done a lot of shady shit. And the president has used them, or people in power have used them to do things that they probably shouldn't done, things without the court and all that stuff. But after September 11th, we actually signed acts that makes these powers openly legal. And what they are is that if the president or someone in government, high official in government, can literally, just by saying, go investigate this person, go eavesdrop on them, go listen to their phone calls, whatever, all under the guise of terrorism, which doesn't matter because nobody's checking on them so they can say this about anybody. Right, right. Now the president has so much fucking power. Now if you're the president and you're the commander-in-chief and you want to fuck with your political enemies or you want to fuck with whoever's talking shit about you, you can literally call these people up, the NSA, whoever you want, and be like, look, I want you to spy on Matt Lauer. I want you to spy on this person. I want you to get, show me everything that you can find on them. And you can use it. And no court or anybody is going to say anything unless they find out that you're doing it. And then they'd have to take you to court, whatever, and that would never happen. So I think Trump is fucking taking out Hollywood because they've been so anti- because you're seeing everybody, another Russell Simmons. Russell Simmons just stepped down for sexual harassment allegations from something that happened back in 1991. Well, has anyone put the conspiracy together? Like, can you go back through and see how, are they all non-Trump supporters? All, come on, all of them. All of them fucking who? I mean, I believe that. I could believe that. I just don't know for a fact. Do you know if that's the challenge? I mean, I'm not saying this is true, by the way. I'm making up a conspiracy here, but that, my conspiracy makes more sense than Netflix. Oh, you think so? I think so, dude. It's really weird. You know what's funny? Hillary Clinton, who got the Democratic, she was the nominee, obviously, for the Democratic ticket, she was going against Bernie Sanders. Her people and her, because the Clintons are very powerful. That is like, that's like political. You pocketed the DNC. That's political royalty. Like, you got the Clintons, the Bush family, the Kennedys, like, they fucking rigged the whole thing so she would win the primaries. And it's all legit. I'm not making this up. It's a lot of conspiracy. All, they legitimately rigged that shit against Bernie Sanders so she would win. The whole system is fucking hilarious, which is why I was so shocked when Trump won, because I'm like, that kind of shows that it's not as rigged as I thought it was, because how did he win? Unless they want us to think it's not. Well, that's what surprised everybody. Yeah, I don't know. Well, yeah, I also think that's the power of social media now, you know what I'm saying? That's the difference. I mean, when you're reaching millions of people on Instagram now and Facebook, but you can only delete so many votes, I guess. Right. So yeah, it's like, oh no. So now, so yeah, Russell Simmons, now he had to step down. Now, Russell. Can't wait to see who's next. Yeah, well, have you read about what he did? I just used to. Yeah, so he apparently was with some, I don't know, with some woman that went to dinner and his driver picked them up and then she gave the guy his address and he said something like, no, we're going to my house. And she was like really intimidated. And she said, well, I want to go home. And he goes, no, you're just going to come to my house. So they went to his house. He took her upstairs and basically like told her, like we're going to have sex. And she did have sex with him because she was so intimidated by him. And so now she's saying she felt like she was intimidated into having sex. And of course she, he didn't like forcibly, physically, you know, hold her down or anything like that. But she's talking about how, how he made her feel. He, I guess he locked the door in the car too, wouldn't let her get out and stuff like that. But this is back in 1990 something. I don't know, I think it was 91. So it was a while ago. Damn. So it's weird for him to step down like that without defending himself. You know that there's got to be some truth to that. Well, that's the other thing. I wonder if, because here's the thing, if I'm Russell Simmons. Okay. If I'm up, I'm Russell Simmons. And some fucking, some person says that about me. I'm going to be like, yeah, oh yeah. Well, fuck you. Anybody can say that, right? Yeah. I wonder if somebody presented to him and said, look, this is going to come out. Choose your option. Yeah. You don't step down. We're going to release this video. I guarantee it was like that. God, it's fucking weird. It's like, it's like, yeah. It's so crazy. It is. And I love it. We got the mafia that we're in in our country now. It's Trump and the Netflix mafia, dude. Take them all together. Netflix mafia. Take them all down. Somebody make a meme. Hashtag Netflix mafia. Somebody make a meme. We're getting in trouble. Netflix didn't call me. No, no. We like Netflix. No, we like you, Netflix. Come on, Netflix. We're going to make the- I watch all your shows. Let's make the myself. I think- Did you guys see The Punisher yet? No. I watched- All of it. I went binge all the way through. I'm done. It's that good. It's so good. Wow. One of the best movies. So it's the guy from The Walking Dead. Yeah. He's a great actor. Really? I mean, it's not for everybody- I used to read The Comic Book. Because it's brutal. You know? But like, I've been waiting for them to depict Punisher correctly. And he is- He just plays it fantastic. That's true, because The Punisher is like- You didn't like the movies? The Punisher that they did? Not really. Oh, really? It's just that it wasn't- They didn't have the depth. Did you read The Comic Book? The darkness? Yeah. See, The Punisher in The Comic Book? Like the horror journals and all that? Yeah. The Punisher in The Comic Books is- He's not really a good guy. No. He's a funny anti-hero. Well, I don't think that- Yeah, I don't think they depict him that way in the movie. In the movie. They make him- Yeah. You kind of root for him. Yeah. It just didn't have that impactful of a story. You'll see the difference when you watch the series. It is- It's basically like- How many episodes? Like 13 or something? But like, each one is its own movie. It's like- It's epic, dude. You know what, though? The other thing, too, is it's very difficult in a movie to develop a character as much as you can in a series. This is the new format, dude. It's crazy. Like, you literally are watching a 13-hour movie. Yeah. Exactly. It's amazing. Exactly. No, it is. That's why Netflix didn't take over, dude. It's fucking happening. Yeah. Right after all the other celebrities get taken down. Heard it on Mind Pump first. Yeah. We predict Netflix will be powerful. I'm sure- Oh, wait. It's already- We just gave- I'm sure Test House- Test House to Rownation is going to fucking write about it. Yeah, T-Nation's going to write about this. Stop. Those are our boys. What's the name writes for them? I know. Yeah, our buddy. Yeah. Anyway. So also, I wanted to let you guys know, I went- I haven't worked out in club support for a long time, right? I work out in my garage. Yeah. Well, as you can tell, I have this cold. So I went there this morning because I'm like, I want to use the steam room. They- I guess they redid the steam room in the bathroom, which is really nice. So I did my little workout, and then I went to the steam room to try and like just to help my whole situation. And I go- I opened the door. And I guess he was sitting in the fucking steam room. Oh, no way. Yes. That same dude? My Asian adversary. Oh, wow. Yes. Was it an immediate like- like a- like a rustling, like a- you know, like a tumbleweed just kind of went between you guys? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Little, yeah. No, no, no. So I opened the door. He's sitting in the corner naked on his towel. Of course. And he looks at me and he goes, huh. Like, not even a word. That's it. Just, huh. That's all he did. Huh. Yeah. And I'd be like, oh, motherfucker. So I sit down next to him and I'm like- So did you nod or anything at least to acknowledge it? I'm like, how you been? Tell me you- you're nervous though, because you haven't been doing steam in a while, right? So are you a little nervous? I haven't done anything in a while. He might out bake you. Yeah, so I sit next to him and I'm like, because you know, because I kind of- I'm like, you know, fuck you, man. I got a cold. I'm like, give it to him, because he's old. He's going to die anyway. I'm going to give him the colds. He's going to catch my cold. And he's going to get sick. And I'm going to beat him. It's just tactics. So I sat next to him and I'm like- Weakening his immune system. Yeah, so I'm quiet, because it's kind of awkward, you know? So I'm just kind of sitting there and- Yeah, steam room conversation is weird to me. It is. I'm thinking to myself like, I want to say something to him, but like, it almost reminds me of when you're trying to talk to a girl when you're like 13. And you're trying to think of what to say. When all you got to do is go say hi, right? The weather, huh? Yeah. Yeah, so I'm like, what do I say to him? What do I say to him? So before I say anything, he's like, so you take a break, huh? And I'm like, oh, yeah, I've been working out in my garage. He goes, yeah. He's just sitting there. He's like, yeah, you shouldn't take a break. I'm like, oh, motherfucker. He just talks shit to me. I never take a break. Yeah, you shouldn't take a break. And that's it. He's quiet and just sitting there. And I'm like, well, you know what? Fuck you, man. So I leave. So, but because I stand so close to him, I'm thinking, you know, again, he's old, weakening immune system. I have a cold. He's going to catch it. Then he's going to get pneumonia. Then he's going to be in the steam room. Then I'm going to go in there and I'm going to beat him. I see. So I'm waiting because I feel like I think what's the- So you didn't even try and fuck with it this time. You should have said, have you even gone in the cold yet? You know, you should pull him in that direction. See how he does. No, I'm afraid because I feel like he'll beat me at anything. So I think the incubation period for the cold is something like a week, right, Doug? Is that what it is? It's like a week or something like that, right? So I'm going to go back again as you're walking out. You give him a little like, excuse me. No, I blew my nose in my towel and put it right on his leg. Just rested it on his wrinkly leg. Just leave a little bit of a culture there. He sounds kind of like an Asian Paul Jack. You know, something you may be. He could be. I feel like he knows kung fu. Not because it's not racist. A little bit. It's not racist. Yes, a little bit. Because he has that. It's definitely a little bit of a lot, dude. He can totally hire me in the face. No, dude. It's because he has that presence. He has that presence. Like he's like Daniel's son. Like David Carrity? No, he wasn't real, dude. Did you ever watch- David Carrity wasn't real? What do you mean he wasn't real? He's not a real kung fu guy, dude. Pfft. Remember all slow motion karate? Sella slow. It was so great. I loved kung fu, but come on, dude. Steven Seagal was a little more legit. Bruce Bruce Lee would have beat his ass. I watched- when I was a kid, I watched the old kung fu movies that were all dubbed in English. And they were terrible. But they were made in China. And they were- When you make your own words. And they were bad asses. And there would always be that one old Asian dude with a long, like- Yeah, like long beard or whatever. And the bun. You know who did a good job depicting him was Kill Bill. Yeah. You know, like those characters. I feel like that's the guy in the steamer. Ah, okay. Like he's got that kind of presence. Wow, I'm like wisdom in it. Yeah, I have a fierceness. Like I'll throw a punch and then he'll be behind me all of a sudden. I'm like, oh shit. He can one inch punch the shit out of you. Yeah, fuck that. Anyway, but he'll be sick soon. Wonder if he listens to podcasts. That'd be cool, huh? Yeah. You think he's a- Yeah, but he does. We're creating him into this legendary mythical character. I mean, we met. I thought we met our oldest. I wish I remember their names. Shout out to these guys if they're still listening. When we were at Paleo FX, and they were like in their 70s, 70s or 80s, I think they were- They weren't 70? No, we met somebody that was in their 70s. Oh, the couple. Yes. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. She's the one that was talking about when we were- We had some discussion about masturbation and she started talking to me about it. Yes, yes. And I was like, ah, this is real life. You know, like on the podcast is one thing. 70 year old. That's right. They were in the 70s. I loved it, dawgs. I was like, I love you, lady. Yeah, we don't have that many people that are older than probably 50, 60-ish that listen to us. Maybe. Yeah. Yeah, because it's all internet stuff. Yeah. They don't know how to do it. I guess. They don't know how to do it. Too complicated. Except my grandma. I'm just learning email. My grandma knows how to do it. My 80 year old Sicilian grandma who's never had a driver's license. She's never driven in her life because she just doesn't. I mean, she's old school. And in fact, I posted a picture of her in the forum with me and my cousins because she was with her. And she's on Facebook all the time, dude. Wow. She's always commenting on my pictures or she'll send an emoji. Dude, that's what I thought about my grandma. She's 95, but I found out it was my aunt posting as her. I'm like, that's cheating. Like, come on. I thought grandma was like super hip there for a second. No, my grandma will literally post stuff and like pictures and she'll send me emojis and like a picture of a road. Really? Yeah. Dude, she'll comment on stuff. Do you guys remember when your parents made the transition to finally texting? And do you remember how rough that was for that transition? Worse than that is the emoji. Your parents use emojis? Ew. Don't do that. I don't want like a weird winky face for my dad. No. Your dad said that's it. Yeah, bro. And then he said to you the purple pepper. I just told him I was like, don't do that again. I just told him, don't do that again. Your dad's like, hey, make it. Like, what's this one? I'm making eggplant tonight. I don't want to come over. No, thank you. So what's even weirder is I text with my kids because they have phones. They don't have service, but they work through the Wi-Fi because they'll play games and stuff. And it's got the iMessage. So my kids will text me and my eight-year-old daughter, I don't know how she learned how to text so well. She knows how to use emojis and she uses like, what is it called when you only use like two or three letters to mean something, abbreviations. Oh, yeah. I'm like, look at this little shit. Like really good stuff. Really T-M-F-O. Oh, and then my daughter will be like, WTF. She's like, WTF. I'm like, excuse me? Do you know what that stands for? She's like, no. I'm like, okay, good. My eight-year-old daughter. What the fuck, dad? Tell me GF, dad. What the fuck? What the fuck? Oh, God. All right, Doug, bring on the bird. Yikes. This quiz brought to you by OrganiFi. For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, OrganiFi fills the gap with laboratory-tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health and performance the added edge. Try OrganiFi, totally risk-free, for 60 days by going to OrganiFi.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I dot com, and use a coupon code MINEPOMP for 20% off at checkout. All right, our first question is from Kyla Gross. After listening to the show, I consciously tried to not consume sucralose in my diet as I have a sensitive gut to begin with. I consume dimetized ISO 100 daily and have always felt fine until recently when my stomach would be in extreme discomfort about 10 minutes after consuming. I looked at the label and realized it has sucralose like many proteins do. Is it possible that suddenly my gut is rejecting this despite it being fine previously? I've tried some vegan proteins and they taste like literal dirt. Help. So before I try to explain or figure out what's happening to her, I will do a little plug here for OrganiFi. I've been taking vegan proteins for maybe 10 years. And let me tell you, for the most part, they suck. It's true, yeah, it's true. There's some hemp ones out there, but yeah. No, no, no, it's true. Most of them taste way just taste good. It mixes really good, especially if you get the artificially flavored ones. They taste good. OrganiFi's protein is legit tasty, especially chocolate. No, man. Chocolate literally tastes good. Oh, I like the vanilla. I mean, I think out of all vegan proteins I've ever messed with, it's by far the best. It's one of the best ones because I used to do raw protein from Garden of Life and it was okay, but it always had that... Vegan proteins tend to have this like, not chalky, but almost like you could taste the powder and they always have a weird aftertaste. The OrganiFi one doesn't. It actually is comparable to a whey protein. So that being said, there's a couple of points I want to make with this question. First off, we need to understand something about our bodies. When you figure out what works for your body, whether it's your diet or your workout or supplements or whatever, you need to understand that that's what's working for your body right now. Your body does, it changes all the time. It is not some stationary thing that once you figure it out, now that's the answer. It's always going to be the answer. That's never how it works. Your body's changing because of outward, outside pressures or lack of sleep or your job or stress. What's that statistic? Is it every seven years? Seven years. Yeah, completely every cell. Every cell. But even besides that, my body can change from today versus yesterday, depending on the circumstances of my day. So although something may always have worked for you, that doesn't mean it's going to continue to always work for you because I'll get this all the time where people, it's almost like cognitive dissonance where they'll be like, well, I, you know, chicken can't possibly cause this bloat. I've always eaten chicken. And they'll hard-headedly continue to eat. They haven't strung it together. Yeah, they'll keep doing it. I've been guilty of this. I know lots of people have been getting it. So your body changes. So yes, although you've been having it and it never bothered you before, that doesn't mean it's not going to bother you in the future. The second thing is this is a classic symptom of leaky gut syndrome. It doesn't mean you have it. It's just one of the classic symptoms. And one of the classic symptoms is when you're consuming something that you've always consumed and all of a sudden you have, you know, gut issues as a result of consuming that thing. The reason why it's a classic symptom, and I'm going to just do a real quick description of leaky gut, when you have any kind of inflammation in your gut or dysbiosis, meaning the bacteria is kind of thrown off, which suculose will do. We can talk about that too. When you have that going on, your gut becomes what they'll say in western medicine, hyperpermeable, meaning that whatever, you know, your gut allows things to travel through and get absorbed in your body. And it's a very intricate process, not only what it allows to go through, but when it allows it to go through. Because there's certain nutrients that need to be absorbed at certain times in the process of digestion. The stomach absorbs certain things, the upper intestines absorb certain things, the lower intestines. And it just, it's a very intricate process. So when you have inflammation in your gut, things are moving through the gut wall when they're not supposed to or things that are never supposed to go through. And what your body does when things go through the gut wall is it considers these things, many times it considers them to be foreign invaders. It looks at it as an insult. And it develops antibodies. It develops an immune reaction to these particles. So if I'm taking whey protein all the time and I have low levels of gut inflammation, but over time some of these larger whey protein molecules pass through my gut wall when they're not supposed to and my body starts to recognize whey protein as a foreign invader, it develops antibodies and now whey protein bothers me. Now I can't have whey protein anymore because my body, as soon as I eat it, my body says, oh shit. And a pretty common rule is that this is stuff that you typically did eat a ton of. It rarely, it's rarely somebody who's like, Oh, I found a new food. My stomach's all fucked up from it. No, it's normally something that we- Friendly fire. You know, honestly, if we're being completely honest with ourselves, we probably abused a little bit. You know, it's something that, and a lot of that has to do too with the oversaturating and overconsumption too, right? Like if you were in a deficit, if we lived, you know, 60% of the time in a deficit or even half the time in a deficit, you'd probably be okay. But it's because the way we eat as Americans is we over consume, over consume, and then we're eating all this- the same things over and over and over and then that's what ends up happening is the shit you ate all the time. Now your stomach's fucked up. So when you go to actually test whether or not you have a leaky gut or like symptoms of a leaky gut, like how do you- I know that like certain functional medicine practitioners like they have like certain tests you can do. Is that the pinner test or what? Yeah, so the pinner test is a test that you can take that and unfortunately it's not foolproof, but it can point you in the right direction and give you more information than just guessing. And what a pinner test does is it tests for IgG antibodies. Now IgE antibodies, and I really hope I'm getting this correct. Maybe you can fact check me, Doug, so I don't- I'm not wrong here. Fuck it up. But IgE antibodies are the kind of antibodies that cause food allergies. Now if you had a food allergy you would know because you'd have an immediate allergic reaction that causes things like anaphylactic shock and swelling and you know, hives and stuff like that and people know when they have an allergy. Now and intolerance is a little different because IgG antibodies don't cause those allergic reactions but it is a systemic immune response. It's more subtle. It can cause things like skin issues. It can cause inflammation in the joints. It can cause lots of different issues. Let me see. Yep, I'm right. Perfect. So- He doubted himself for a minute there. Yeah, there you go. Yep, right. Thanks, Doug. Appreciate it. Still smart. Yeah. Yes, Sam. So anyway, so what the pinner test does is it tests for IgG antibodies and they'll test you for like a bunch of different foods and then it'll show you how all those foods rank, high, moderate to low and basically what they'll say is okay, avoid all the foods that are in the high category. The pinner testers are like 400 bucks. I did one a long time ago. It's what helped me initially but really the gold standard is the hard way which is an elimination diet. Right. That's it. An elimination diet can take three months because you've got to cut something out of your diet for a month or two months get everything to calm down and then reintroduce it one at a time. It's a pain in the ass but it's really the best way to do it. It's the best long-term strategy. Yeah, so I would start with a pinner test and then try the elimination afterwards but definitely sucralose can exacerbate or cause some of these problems because sucralose in studies will show it destroys something like half up to half of the beneficial bacteria in the gut when you consume it and if you start fucking with the microbiome of the gut like that you can expect to have gut inflammation and the funny thing is this this is a perfect storm because protein powders when do people normally consume protein powders? Yeah, after work out. After work out and all the inflammation. That's it. And a workout especially a really hard workout it causes inflammation everywhere including in the gut. So now you already have this the context of inflammation now you're drinking a protein drink. Gasoline on fire. It's got sucralose in it which is going to add more problems so you have an inflamed gut from the exercise you have sucralose which is fucking with your gut microbiome and you're introducing a protein you know protein molecules into your gut you're likely to develop Oh and then top it off issues. A lot of these fucking people end up getting addicted to the pre-workouts and the shakes and doing that and then they're and whether it be a real addiction to it or behavioral addiction to it they're addicted to it and they're doing it every single time I was a kid just like this man I fucking know and so were all of my buddies all of my trainer friends we all were the same way it was like shake, bar, pre-workout, shake, bar yeah three times a day every day you know no wonder I'm all fucked up now that's right no wonder and uh and this has actually been looked at where they see that a higher a higher percentage of hard training athletes have gut or diagnosed with gut issues than the average person just because when you train hard you're always pushing your body towards that edge of inflammation and I would suspect that athletes just they're the they're the market when it comes to all these you know artificial supplements so yeah I would say not only avoid sucralose but stop taking milk protein proteins so no more whey protein no more casing go to the the the vegan ones if you want to still take protein and use ones that are not flavored artificially and of course we're sponsored by Organify but legit that's the one I'd recommend anyway all right oh hey before you next side note on this I have been getting a bunch of DMs and I saw one of the quads our questions that we had on the IG also was people asking us about what our our favorite thrives product is now what do you think about sending fry let's put them on the spot and send them see if we can get like a you know a mind pump like our favorite like a basket or a box that we put together that it's like the mind pump basket yeah yeah so people that are like want it like because I've had a lot of people that are like interested like oh I want to try this or what do you think and they're all asking me about all these things that we've got so we put together like a bro we could even call it the mind pump sampler yeah that's what I mean change it every month right hey this month the mind pump sampler includes let's put the pressure on thrive to get that done for us because I think the I think our audience would you know I love the cricket chips dude those are bomb I told everyone see everyone asked me I got a bunch of because I did the insta story on those oh yeah and so everybody was asked everyone was like well you know sound Justin loved them I was like kind of I because it's crunchy yeah that's fucking the psychological yes you know I eat the I eat the cricket protein bars and the and the shake powder no problem but the crunchy the crunchy chip and look at it I enjoyed that because there's this weird primal part of me I'm like oh you're you know like a living being whoa that's if they made baby seal jerky he'd eat that too yeah 100 you know it'll put pressure on thrive dog if you don't take this part out and air it oh we are gonna it's going okay yeah all right and the emails already gone out to thrive for the mine pump sampler oh yeah we'll see how they respond interesting yeah boy dug our next question is from our same person from the last question kyla gross how can you for yes indeed how can you tell when you're you are listening to your body versus making excuses for yourself that's a great question oh man yeah I'm so intuitive right now yeah my body's telling me I want this oh god so here's the rest of the question I love training and often struggle with knowing if I'm being in tune with my body's needs or just making excuses to take a break from training I train six days a week and love the hustle and feel guilty when I take more than one there's your signs there's your signs right there this is a bit this is a good question because it is a good question and I love that I love the transparency it's honestly yeah listening to versus making excuses it reminds me of my mom when I was a kid used to how she used to uh you know anything that like happened bad or whatever in our lives it was like you know well god told me yeah god told me this so it was like it was like it was like fuck dude god so confused why is he go this way that he goes that way it's like you know just admit selfishly that's what you want to fucking do oh why oh really you're convincing you oh yeah yeah same thing it's the same thing right it's every I've heard that my whole life right instead of it instead of it being god now it's intuitive you know intuitive eating that's yourself that's telling your body is telling you that you know no you're being lazy you're not going to gym so I thought this would be a good question for you Adam because uh you and I have talked about this many times and I've been getting shit tons of messages from people who are like well I listen to my body but my body tells me to eat donuts all day and not do anything and you know how do I and you know it's it is a hard question to answer almost you know what I like to say to people is you know if if you think you're you're fooling yourself you are yeah I mean you have to just be honest with yourself it's it's hard it's so hard to be radically honest with yourself isn't it because we don't want to we want to lie to ourselves we want to not be you know to be true and I'll tell you something right now if you just let go of that fear and just go through it and just are radically honest with yourself it's actually awesome you know it's just you it's you and you there's no it's a controlling mechanism you know that we all have and we want to override signals and interpret it in a different way but I mean have you really even given in to like what your body's telling me I think that there's and this is the thing that you and I get into on this show all the time is the you know there's so many levels and layers to this for someone to get like when you like and I ultimately ice Jedi stuff right I mean ultimately I mean I how many styles have you met I mean how many how many other guy zero and we've been in the fitness profession for you know I'm saying so I when I talk to people I'm like listen I know everyone loves to hear Sal talk about that and everybody wants to be on the same level and we want them for president and all that shit like that but listen mother fuckers this guy's put some work in for a very very long time and it takes time and so there's steps to this right so for me I think you have to first first you have to be consistent about something because if you're not totally consistently following something whether it be fucking the elimination diet a pale I don't give a fuck if you're not consistent like your signals are so off and like the slightest teach yourself first you don't know what your body sending you because you're not being consistent with anything so that's the first and foremost is just learn to be consistent about whatever your plan is so let's say your plan is elimination diet and you're gonna fall that or payload diet you're gonna fall that for a while then do that and stick to it and then and pay and just at the very beginning all you're doing it's monitoring you're not saying oh did that make me feel this way every day no you're just like being consistent for a while let your like let your body get acclimated to being consistent with the nutrition and the training program you're doing and then what you do is you start to test things so I allow something into my diet that I might be that I think that could potentially be a very scientific way of approaching right and you and you don't just do it once you do it once you pay attention to it you do it again may you do it two or three times so this is what I mean like Sal's got a chance to do this over the course of his 20 plus years I've had the opportunity to do this over the last 15 plus years so it takes time to get to this level and you could easily trick yourself fool yourself into thinking that's the right thing for you it's a time because I did for years yeah exactly for you if you asked me 10 years ago how aware I am of my diet my body I would tell you was fucking on point with all that you know because I I know I'm a trainer I'm smart I understand nutrition like and that's just it that's just it like that's what that's literally what this awareness is is you're unaware when you're unaware of something you're not even aware that you're unaware of it it's it's it's not even something to think about like the example you gave like if you asked me certain questions 10 years ago I'd be very I'd be positive I'd be so sure right that I knew certain things because I was so unaware of certain things that I wasn't even aware that they existed and so that's one thing that I want to make a point of what to kind of point across with this is that this is not it's not a destination it's not a place that you get to you like I'm here well no because it's a process you've already said it that the gut it's always changing we're different every seven years so it's like what was working for you five years ago may not be working for you and and more often than not it's connected to probably some of the bad habits or choices that you made along that way except except the following except this is truth nobody will ever fool you better than you will period nobody can fool me like I can fool me I can fool me so fucking good that I will buy into that shit and become it and then it's only later on right it's only later on that I'm like oh shit I was I fooled myself so much we do this with relationships we do this with our jobs we do this with our diet and our training so knowing that closing yourself all the time is closing yourself right now dude how long let me ask you this how was a good idea how long did you stay working in corporate fitness for example right or how long did I do certain things and I did wait till I look back and I think you know I always look back and say okay I understand I got this out of it and that out of it but I fooled myself for the last you know five years of doing it right where I thought this is what I'm supposed you know this is what I want to do and this is what I like when in reality I was just I didn't like it I don't want to do anymore so it's a process that is it's constantly evolving knowing that is what's going to guide you if you think of this as a destination like oh you know what I'm going to be so intuitive with my diet in a year from now no you're not you're not you're going to be you'll be more aware than you are today but you're there isn't a place that you're ever going to hit where you're this you know god of of your of knowing things I mean I guess that's called enlightenment but I've never met anybody that was enlightened like that so think of it as a process it's a constant thing that you work on but at the same time I also want to be clear don't identify with the working on it either because that can also become its own thing where you're this I met this I'll tell you what years ago there was this lady that came to my gym and she wanted to hire me to train her and we sat down and we started talking about you know wellness and this was I was getting I was at this point I was kind of getting deep into like the wellness side of it so I wasn't really the meathead trainer anymore I wasn't as aware as I am now but I was getting into it so we had a great conversation but she was like oh I I can only wear clothes that are made like this certain dyes I can't this certain perfumes I can't and she's like I have to walk this way I have to be this way and her life was consumed right with this super hyper trying to be aware of every little thing to where it became this obsession of hers and it made her very unhealthy this is very anxious unhealthy individual and I would see her she ended up not hiring me because about halfway through my presentation with her I decided I don't want this lady to hire me so I don't know if you guys have ever done that works halfway through you're like you're like you finish the hour after you're like oh you just give her information and wait for her she's like well what was your trip oh I just I don't have any time yeah oh no it's like halfway through I start to become a bad salesman like oh shit I don't want her to try and hire me so I walk around I'm way overpriced yeah yeah I so I'm walking around uh I'd walk around town because I used to go on walks and stuff and I'd see this lady and she was fucking miserable she was always always miserable and I remember looking at her thinking man I don't ever want to be because I could have a tendency right I could push myself to that point where I become consumed with all so that's the other part so it is a process and part of your part of this process is realizing that you're not listening to your body sometimes sometimes it means you're doing shit that whatever you're not supposed to whatever be okay with it don't judge it it's part of the whole process it's called being alive it's life and it's fucking fun the process is really really fun recognize when it's not working for you well also like after you make the mistake you know acknowledge it and then just move forward and don't like hold yourself like hang on it I also want to point out too that you know the last sentence that she says about six days a week and loving the hustle and feel guilty when I want to take more than one day off like that's not you listening to your body that's right that's you fucking with your head like you're already not allowing yourself to listen to your body because you're you're feeling guilty over not working you shouldn't feel guilt now who are you feeling like here's a guilt you're letting down exactly thank you who are you letting down I'm letting myself down who is that person like who was this person you're identifying with so but it's better than you yeah that's a great point right but what you said Adam was I couldn't have said it better you know part of the process the beginning part of the process a long part of the process is tracking knowing what's in food counting macros being consistent with your workouts you know I tell you one thing that we recommend with our maps programs people will tell us all the time like you know I want to I want to individualize this for my body and we'll always see the same thing go through it exactly as we laid it out the first time right just the first just be consistent with how we did it because we're we're good trainers we know what we're doing after you've done it then start to individualize it because then you'll have a good idea well at least a better idea right of what your body needs right so yeah definitely start consistently follow some plan start to pay attention and then start to work through the process next question is from our strength Shelton have you ever injured a client or had a client injured on your watch what was the outcome and what were the reactions on first on to the bus first one that comes to mind right away I trained this lady uh Mindy dough never forget her she's a badass so shout out to Mindy if she listens to the show she uh I trained her five days a week and she was like fit badass and we're we're doing dumbbell chest press and you know I think she I think it was only 15s 10 or 15s you know I was I think she was I had her super setting something and going over and then doing dumbbell flies or whatever and I pinched the dumbbells to grab them you know like you know they're holding the handles right and when I used to train like some of my ladies that and they're like and they're light I just pick them up my fingers and my hands are kind of slippery and I pinched it and one of them fucking drops and bounces off her fucking head bounce off her head dude oh no oh my god oh yeah yeah you could tell it's really her I mean thank god I had a great relationship already with her she'd been a client for a long time so you yeah so she didn't sue me she didn't fucking make me feel I mean I felt like shit right afterwards because she I mean big old wealth on her head and goose egg fucking oh yeah oh yeah it was that bad goose egg popped up within about two minutes dude it was yeah it was so that that's the first one that comes to mind I don't know if I've ever had somebody pass out on me that was what that would scare me that was not fun that would scare me like this is like why really early because it was a hot day outside yeah in my go-to when I first started right I mean I was ex-athlete like like everybody loved my hard workouts you know I got a lot of pride in that and so this this poor girl she loved the workouts like leading up to that and we were just doing like kind of the same intensity same pace but I had didn't have taken to account she was didn't get any sleep you know the night before she's telling all this later like she was on some kind of a medication she didn't tell me about and she didn't take it to the perfect storm it's the perfect storm and like so she was just going through this sort of a circuit that I was doing at the time and finished it and we're we're kind of like going back to sign off and she's kind of walking a little bit behind me a little slowly a little bit behind me like thinking back like I probably would have caught it a lot earlier because I saw her eyes kind of glazed over you know that look seven miles there I got really good at catching that ever since then I did you know I'm saying like I had to go through the hard process of beating an asshole that's when you learn that oh say it was horrible I just hit the hit so she she kept walking so and I realized hey where where'd you go she was against the wall like like leaned against the wall then all of a sudden lights out and like slid down and then we had to call ambulance everything and and she came to and she was fine did you get the CPR at all did you know no no no she just passed out yeah she's passed out I bet you felt I felt like your pants first off dude oh you got to shit your pants I was so scared that's one of the easily one of the scariest things that will ever happen to you as a personal trainer is if you your your client gets hurt or passes out or something like that while you're training because I was like I'm so safe you see your career like just the irony for me the the same thing except for mine and my client it was same client actually I was pushing her on legs and but she got lightheaded and dizzy and she just had to sit down and then she laid down and then we didn't do anything for the rest of the workout so she was fucked up for sure but that was that was what my like once I saw that that I did that tour I was like that scared me enough that I'd never I never heard somebody that was it sucks it comes that yeah that poor lady got two things happened to her for me it was early on in my career and then I set the tone later on I never heard I never injured anybody I never heard anybody yeah I got really my main one I got really really good at there's a look that and I know you guys can have seen it and trainers have been doing training for a long time I've seen it there's a look and there's subtle symptoms that you can see where you know if we do more you're going to throw up it's not but I didn't know that early on so I'd push people and then they go to bathroom and whatever but I could see it after so later on I'd be training people and then they'd be like oh can I take a break and then you can see the cold sweat and to get that kind of pale look and then and then they'll be like well if I can do more if I just take a break and I'm always like shaky yeah I'm like now you're done yeah how let me see are your hands shaky yeah we're done and I'd get him like a fruit or something to eat so I had a guy the one that pops into my mind was actually I hate to say it kind of on purpose not that I heard them like a lesson that you're teaching them not that I heard him I didn't hurt him oh man but this dude uh he calls me and I think I told this story oh the one there like an episode three or something like that I only have 15 minutes yeah he calls me up and he's like haggling with me over personal training prices over the phone and I'm like listen dude I'm like you know but besides haggling with me he'd ask me questions this was over the course of a week so we call me up hey Sal I'm thinking about hiring you still but what do you think about carbohydrates or what do you think about you know protein intake or what about this exercise so after talking for a fucking week I finally said listen dude you gotta come hire me I'm not gonna just answer free questions all the time right he's called me stupid so then he'd come in he hired me so great when people and he was this he was this like engineer you know probably like 45 year old dude shorter chubby guy and just just kind of a weirdo like kind of a weirdo he tried to be my friend and he'd say things like hey we should go out and like look at chicks I remember he said that one like look at chicks that's a fucking weird thing to say you're just a weird dude so he came in he would come in and he would tell me things like yeah I want to be able to you know I don't really get sore last time so I you know I don't want you to count that as a session like stuff like that so he calls me up so he would say stuff like that to me like yeah let's not count I want to get sore so I look at like I tell him like no we're gonna count it's still it's still a workout so he called me up one day and he's like hey listen he goes his appointment was supposed to be at four and it's like 305 and he says hey Sal can I just come in right now because I'm available and I said sure I said give me one second I text my another guy and another client says yeah I'll take the four o'clock so I filled that spot up so I text them back and I'm like yeah you can come in and he goes cool he goes but since I'll be there at about you know 15 20 minutes late can you put can you keep me in for an hour and I'm like well no I just filled your old spot and I can't I can't do it and he goes oh I really want to get like a real workout in he's like can you just give me like a good workout then like a hard one because the last couple were like talking shit you know what I mean yeah yeah so I'm like all right all right motherfucker so so he's he's driving over he says he's down the street so I set up a circuit with kettlebells kettlebell circuits are the worst okay yeah because you can do a lot in the confined bro I'm doing kettlebell swings and snatches and figure eights and like you go back to back to back to back to jump punches and like all the shit that I know like just destroying this guy you guys know this you guys know that everyone did it that's why there's certain exercises you can pick that you know will kick someone's ass like and jump lunges one of us I put like seven exercises together and he runs in and he's like I got to change my clothes real quick so I know problem buddy comes out and I have put him through this fucking insane circuit and he tries to stop a couple times and I'm like don't stop keep going so I'm like I'm going to give him the real experience that he thinks he wants so after about 15 minutes of it he he has this look on his face and he fucking stumbles over and I'm like oh shit he's gonna throw up yeah so I grab the garbage I bring it over and he's just fucking puking his ass off and then he sits down and I'm still relentless I don't know why I was such an asshole that day I'm still really got into your oh big time so as he's sitting there I'm like all right man I'm like let me know when you're ready to keep going let me know when you're ready anyway never came back so that was it that was that guy then I had another client where we were this was a woman who came to me and wanted to just get better shape and I had convinced her that we need to lift weights like lifting weights like actual barbell exercises which we all know is true is one of the most effective things you could do is speed up the metabolism build muscle all that stuff one of the reasons why she don't want to lift weights is because she was afraid of getting injured like I don't want to get hurt and I'm like listen you know there's always that risk but I'm a good trainer I know what I'm doing fucking first set of deadlifts with just the bar up on the rack pulls her back oh god son of the first first set dude oh no after she said that after she said that oh god pulls her back I see she she lays down on the ground I do some stretches with her I do this and that I go in the back thank god I have a good massage therapist I tell the therapist I'm gonna buy her a massage right now could you help her out and she helped her out and anyway this woman ended up becoming a long-term client of mine oh wow I was so like saved that one fuck yeah because I bought her a massage yeah yeah oh don't worry get this massage that's good there's a good lesson in that right there though you know I'm saying like you know you fucked up you know that was something that like fuck I should have even been even closer or safer now we gotta handle this right and then that okay I'm gonna add in my own pocket right and probably didn't get paid for that session then in addition that you probably shall 100 bucks or more just to get a massage done for and then what does it turn out ends up being probably a life she ended up staying with me for life for like seven years yeah so like a long time man and this wasn't an injury but I feel like I could have saved this but I didn't know how to react because I was younger back then and like this threw me for a curve ball you know like this this poor lady I think I've told this story too she started crying like she was having a really bad day and then oh I've had a lot of those I was just working her out like normal and but like she was like why is treating me so hard and like making it all about me you know like all her shit that was going on like it turned out I was like the guy that did it all to her you know like she's like crying at like at me like pointing at me and like all this stuff in the gym and and I'm just like somebody get me out of here you know like I just like kind of went over and I tried to like be like empathetic and I kind of went over and I was like I did the pat thing you know from the side like on her back like I was like trying to I was like do I hug her or like I was gonna be okay you know like I just kind of padded her and she's just like like left and like she never came back why are you treating me so hard yeah I was like I barely even got started Justin was brutal that was his thing I was kind of brutal he was the yeah he was the hard trainer he was brutal for reals oh yeah no if I had a if there was a client probably him or Ronnie because they were competitive with each other with it we were that's what that was that's how we like a bad it was it was that's how so many trainers were though so many that's why we voiced that all the time because that was like our mentality when we first got started and the clients were the same way too like that's how they would they would measure if a trainer was good or not they'd brag about it yes to their friends and then that developed across you know how many clients I had that would come to me right as the boss and say hey you know I really like you know so and so she's great and everything like that but you know I want someone to kind of kick my ass a little more could you give me that was always the fuck it was always the underlying I always had to do that dude I don't know how many times all right here's Justin here you go you asked for it you know you know then they come back like I love him I love him it's like making a deal with the devil it is three months later I can't move I can't I know I still made it work yeah even though it was bad next question is from Healthy, Happy and Free do you think it's possible for a person with an unhealthy mind to have a healthy body nope dude people are going to think that we are friends with Healthy, Happy and Free we answer her questions you know it's funny I don't even realize I don't even realize I know we all do the same thing we just read it we pick ones that we think are really good questions and we just throw them up hey man everybody else step your game up that's a bottom line his capitalism after all right yeah fuck she has good questions competition ask some good questions I just think it feels you know like we don't we have no we have no connection to her whatsoever she writes fucking good questions do better you know just do better yeah stop asking there's sometimes you get questions like she's killing you guys what's the best amount of protein to take for building muscles oh my god give it to Justin I love this question so you no you can't so here's why you can't one of the biggest problems and mistakes with the western medicine mentality of health is that the the systems of the body even that even saying that is funny the systems of the body are all independent and the reason why we have that mentality is because the scientific method which is the best method in the world for learning things it just really is it it requires that you take things separate them out test them isolate them you know you you come up with your your theory you test that theory and then it becomes you know truth or or just proven and so as a result of that we learn lots of things about the human body but also as a result of that we think of the nervous system by itself the endocrine system by itself the muscular system by itself or the body and the mind being independent you can't separate the two you simply can't and luckily science now proves this if you think something in your brain think of something happy something sad something scary we can measure it in your body with the hormones that you produce with the chemicals that are released in the body we can see your muscle tension will change your mood your mindset will change your posture which will change muscle recruitment patterns which will then cause pain in those areas when it's all lined up perfectly it like just exudes like you just you feel like a totally different kind of presence from somebody that is really like that like truly healthy I mean tell me how how can you possibly have a health well here's the thing here's the thing though healthy and unhealthy are impossible for us to really fully quantify right like you can say like there's obviously a huge difference and we can measure like this guy is healthier than this person because of certain markers but there's not like what is the true definition of health and an unhealthy unhealthy mind yeah so there's a lot of variables because okay this is what I would say like I think there was a lot of very unhealthy minds in the competitive world but very healthy bodies in comparison to maybe somebody who is really healthy healthy yeah they're healthy mentally but then they're abusing their body so it's like there's a lot of variables here and which ones would better or worse that's the thing having a very very healthy mind leads to not abusing your body a very unhealthy mind leads to abusing your body well do you now that could be obesity I think that's that's true and it's not true I think that there's plenty of people with healthy minds that don't have healthy bodies really yeah sure because a healthy mind can mean you could mean the way you view yourself with self-image and and maybe even your own body well I guess it's how you classify maybe not optimized but I don't I can't perceive somebody being obese or having lots of physical health okay well obese maybe not but again going back to the you know how you quantify this that's true what's really unhealthy you're kind of healthy or you know what I'm saying so there's definitely some in the middle that are like super mentally tight put together but then they you know if there's anywhere where they kind of fuck off it's taking care of their body and here's the other thing you want to consider also consider is that that it's a relationship that isn't necessarily that isn't one way so what I mean by that is you know you could have an unhealthy body that will lead to issues of the mind also that happens all the time in fact one of the best things you can do if you have issues of the mind like depression or anxiety or something like that is to improve the health of the body so if I and again this is again this is not this is proven when they do head to head studies on for people with like mild to moderate depression and they'll give them SSRI drugs or whatever antidepressant drugs or they'll take a group of people with mild to moderate depression and they don't give them SSRI drugs but they start them on an exercise program and they change their diet the fitness and diet regime is as effective in the short term and better in the long term for the the symptoms of depression so it is this kind of circular thing and that's why I say it's you can't separate the two because all of the same I really look at our digestive system in our in our brain like yin and yang it's it isn't a perfect relationship of give and take it's not a perfect relationship it's symbiotic right they you they utilize each other and they speak to each other but you know too much of one can affect the other and you could still be okay in this area but not so you know I'm saying there's that's why I feel like every day we're like in the state of conflict on some level like we're always trying to get better and I think that the people that you can see that are always like they they recognize that nothing can go on autopilot they're always trying to work on getting better at something those are the ones that always stand out to me is you know the one seeking that that that place that place of health well so some interesting things are popping up for me could the body exist without the mind or would it be alive probably not right and and then vice versa you know if they put you in there's these rooms that exist that they've used in studies that are like they're almost like sensory deprivation chambers or whatever but they're extreme there's one room in particular where if you go in there it absorbs sound so much it's the most silent thing that exists and apparently the longest anybody can stay in that room is a matter of minutes because they start to feel like foreign or what they start to feel like they go crazy because yeah because when you disconnect the body from the mind remember your conception of who you are yourself your mind you need to be grounded is also also involves the senses that you have of touch smell sight when you eliminate all of that and you become this disembodied you know existence that's a very interesting thing that I don't think anybody can really understand what that feels like and I know people have talked about like oh I took a really high dose of mushrooms and then I felt like I was separate from my body and all that stuff maybe but I don't know I don't think they can exist as we know them without each other so it's important to understand that like they are the same they're all they're one in the same it's all one so to try to work on one or to think to yourself like okay I've got these mental issues so I'm just going to focus on the mental side of these issues right you know that may help but you're better off looking at the the whole thing because it all helps same thing with the body you know as trainers people come to us to work on their body we never have anybody I've never had anybody who comes up to me and says for the first session we're coming right yeah and says hey listen I have a bad relationship with myself it was bad mentality yeah I'm depressed and I want you to help me no it's I'm fat and I want to lose weight now as I'm training them guess what I'm working a lot on yeah like all that absolutely I'm working on all that stuff and as as a trainer the most successful I ever I ever became as a trainer is when I understood that and I knew that in order for me to be a good trainer for them to show them success it was more than just focusing on their body it was focusing on that mental aspect as well in fact I would argue that the mental aspect that I would help them with as a trainer was more important than even my exercise program what's interesting to me is I know you guys we had somebody on that you made predictions about the future of fitness and all that so for me my predictions really is that since we've come part mentalized everything all the over all these years like the next big thing is the brain you see that with new tropics and everything else trying to give it like vitamins that all of a sudden I'm going to have this cognitive boost you know out of nowhere but there's going to be ways of actually training and doing things like reactivity and all these different tools that are going to come out like specifically geared to optimize the brain and that's going to create this fitness health state I believe that I believe that's already happening I agree it is yeah I believe we see that happening right now I mean that's just getting back to the new tropics thing I mean look at it's so crazy how out of control it is right now it's like that's everywhere it is a big fad everybody and yeah it is a huge fad right now and I'm not anti any of it I mean no it's great it's cool you know what I'm saying but it's like Jesus there's so many other things but it's not that's not the only thing right let's let's not get away from the whole you know it also reminds me of so when we were in school PE and music were part of education they were actually if I'm not mistaken they were required and then along not that shortly after you know we got out of elementary school they started saying no the only thing that's important or that we should make you know compulsory is you know are these subjects reading math science and whatever and they eliminated music and activity or at least they place a less smaller emphasis on it just get rid of rid of all the creative stuff what's what's funny is now we know for sure that if you're active if a child is active and moving their body they don't have to be an athlete they don't have to be gifted but if they move their body and they stay active their cognitive ability improves yes substantially music is another one children who play music do far better in uh stuff that you think is not connected to music like math in fact there's parents who are trying to optimize their kids math skills it's like simple it's weird man it's subconscious but it really simplifies math it's just all it's all connected man it's all connected the if you're if you are a brainiac if you're a scientist and all you like to do is learn and study and be smart and you work hard at doing that one of the things you could do to improve your cognitive ability is get fit and and that's again proven now yep but if I had said that 20 years ago people would have said you know because the whole it was uh what was it the dumb jock that's for the jocks yeah yeah it makes you stupid in the words yeah not true at all so it's all the same and I would venture to say I would love to see a study that would compare that with some this same type of person in the same condition to just taking new tropics and to see which one would actually enhance them even more of course getting in shape would would enhance that person's take some of our youtube stars and you know give them some new tropics see what happens they're just they'll just be dumb faster it's uh yeah no nothing's gonna touch nothing's gonna touch that there's not a single I'll tell you what the day they invent a pill that can literally mimic proper nutrition and proper uh you know fitness or whatever I mean that'll be a miracle that'll be like save more lives than anything I think of but we're not even close to doing that there's no supplement on earth that can come close to doing ass stuff I mean the best new tropic in the world is activity even basic activity if you're studying for something and you want to absorb what you're studying one of the best things you could do is get up and move in between studying like every 15 minutes get up and do some push ups or stretch or something like that or while you're reading you know do some some activity I learned that I learned this on accident you know I tell people that if you do this and in the beginning you kind of have to apply it like you have to actively think about it whether it be a reminder or whatever that but it's something that I I learned probably 10 10 years ago maybe more and I mean you guys know when we're at when we're up at Reno we're over and we're shooting like you'll see me I'll get up and I'll walk I'll be walking in the room why we're why we're creating or thinking because it's like it's sharper and we're creating way I can I can just tell and now I can tell so it's natural I don't think about it I don't go like oh we need to work on a project right now I need to think clear I'm gonna get up and start walking around I just my but I just naturally just do but it took me some time first of doing that then I could connect the dots like oh shit I am sharper I am better when I do move around and do that and so I've always done that now yeah and exercise and activity we know now also stimulates the release of BDNF brain derived neurotropic factor which is kind of a buzz word right now because there's supplements coming around that too yeah that's say that they do that but they don't BDNF that sounds like some porn search like yeah BDNF you're thinking of BDSM BDSM BDSM that sounds like something that BW that sounds like something that Ben Greenfield is increasing by shoving some red light up his nose or his ears sounds like that yeah yeah putting in his dick or surely optimizing my BDNF so what what BDNF does is it encourages the growth of new you know pathways in the brain it's like the smart drug that's naturally produced in your in your brain moving and exercising causes the release of that it's extremely good for the brain to move and exercise and on the flip taking care of your mind will of course help with the emotional state the choices you make with your exercise and your diet if you're in a bad emotional state even if you really want to work out and eat right you can become orthorexic or make the wrong decisions we know this in the fitness industry so no health true health includes all of that stuff if you have one of those things that is unhealthy and of course we're using this broad you know generalized umbrella but if you're unhealthy in the mind then you're just unhealthy if you're unhealthy in the body then you're just unhealthy so there really isn't you 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