 Okay, we are up to our two o'clock session here, two o'clock central time, big talk from small libraries 2023, and it's the middle of the afternoon so I think everyone's due for a snack, a snack, a cup of coffee, tea, whatever you need. So, Jessica is here from Georgia Southern University to talk to us about a outreach program. They did in their small library, providing snacks. Everybody wants snacks. So I'll hand it over to you, Jessica, to go ahead and tell us how you did this at your libraries. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you. So hi everyone, I'm Jessica. I just started my employment here in June, so we are almost a year, getting close to a year of employment at Georgia Southern University. And I'm sure everybody's scratching their heads wondering, what are you doing here? Georgia Southern is a pretty big institution, right? Which is fine, right? I can explain. So some background about Georgia Southern is we're a public R2 university in Georgia, and the main campus, which is the one that most people are familiar with, is located in Statesboro, Georgia. It services about 17,000 students at any given time. I think the total might have been 18,000 pre-pandemic, but it's dropped a little bit since, you know, COVID. In 2018, Armstrong State University was consolidated with Georgia Southern University, and Armstrong State University used to what was in Savannah, Georgia, was a much smaller college. And we have kind of maintained our small campus feel as part of Georgia Southern University, just with our smaller Armstrong campus in Savannah. We service about 4,600 students right now, so it is definitely a very small feel. Yeah, it doesn't even feel smaller today. Friday is we don't get as many of our commuter students around, and our campus is mostly commuters, so it's kind of like, hello, where is everybody? Yes, so out of the library system, we have three locations on those two campuses. First, there's Henderson Library, which is the main library at the Statesboro campus. There's also Lane Library, which is the library on the Armstrong campus. And then we have a second building on the Armstrong campus called the Learning Commons, which is a little bit more tech forward, has a really big board game collection, has a bit more of kind of like an open workspace kind of feel, whereas the library, Lane Library is a little bit more of like a traditional library setup for now. Things are changing, but as they do with academia, everything changes quite slowly. So, the first time that we had a SNAT CART initiative was actually in the, about a year ago, actually. My colleague, Melissa Brown, who is the outreach coordinator for George Southern University Libraries, came up with the idea in order to, one, engage students during a stressful period is when they're taking final exams. Two, advertise Henderson Libraries 24-hour facility hours during final exam week. They're not open 24 hours usually, but during final exam week, they will operate on a 24-hour schedule until exams are over. And then the third thing was to get students kind of have a direct line for them to connect with their library liaison for whatever major that they're in. So, those were her main three objectives with the SNAT CART initiative initially. I thought it was cute. It's the Zach S. Henderson Library, and so they called it Zach Snacks. I love a good rhyme. They made their rounds at 11 p.m., so very late in the evening. They'd go through all four floors of Henderson Library, and during this time, they serviced almost 500 students. So, it was a really big hit. A lot of students were really appreciative of the initiative. We considered it a success based on that, and we wanted to expand it in the next semester so that students on the Armstrong campus would also feel appreciated. Now, between May and December 2022, one big change was that I arrived. So, when Melissa was doing the first SNAT CART run, she was really kind of doing outreach by herself in a way. Melissa is wonderful. She's a library professional, but she's not a librarian, so I think this is her first library job. So, she was kind of like unfamiliar with some of the library and stuff that we have to do, like logging stuff for like assessment purposes and accreditation and stuff like that. So, once we arrived, we were able to lend a hand with stuff that she is working on and already had been developing like the SNAT CART initiative, but we were able to kind of emphasize we need to collect data. We need to have more clear learning objectives, and we need to assess those objectives. So, we're still kind of working on that a little bit, but it's been a big help to have her and to have her. I've already been here before I started in July, but I started my position here on the Armstrong campus in July. I was hired first, and then my counterpart at the main campus, the Statesboro campus, began work at Georgia Southern University in September of 2022. During that time, we have built on some of the initiatives that Melissa started. We have kind of upped up some things, and it's been a lot of fun working with both of them. The main things that we're called to do as outreach instruction librarians is obviously to teach information literacy. We are also going to kind of coordinate an outreach program that's a little bit more interconnected and intentional. We're still working on coming up with like overarching objectives for the program, but fingers crossed coming soon. And we are also tasked with chairing two library committees, one of them being student outreach and one of them being communications and marketing. So that's the majority of what kind of like takes up my work time, as is probably evidenced by the workshop-like look of my office. I often joke around that it looks like there's always a project in progress here, and that's because there is. So, in preparation for the fall 2022 SNAC cards, now that we've got two new crew members on board, now that we have tried it in one location and we want to expand to more locations. One thing that had to change, sadly, was to rename the SNAC card from ZAC SNACs to something a bit more generic. The communications and marketing committee has been really pushing to brand Georgia Southern University Libraries as one entity, right, regardless of the campus. And part of that is to make sure that there's not, you know, anything that feels too exclusive to one campus or another. So that's why we kind of just thought GS Libraries, SNAC card, we've got the cart thing. I think it's going to be clear what we're trying to do here and it's going to grab students' attention. So as much as I love a rhyme, we had to do away with ZAC SNACs. The SNAC card on the Statesboro campus also ran prior to final exams week. It would run the week before final exams started. And this is because one of the purposes was to advertise Henderson Libraries 24-hour schedule for the time that final exams happen. However, on the Armstrong campus, because there is not any demand for that, we do not open 24 hours on our campus. We just keep our regular hours during exam week. So because we didn't have that to advertise, we elected to do our SNAC card during the week of final exams because our rationale was, well, students might need that pick me up while they're in the middle of studying for their exams and that might be more appreciated then. The SNAC card at Statesboro also began rounds at 11 p.m. And since we close at 11 p.m. at Lane Library, we were like, we're going to have to run a little bit earlier than this. We also have found we are working on bolstering and getting more people in the facility at Lane Library. But as of right now, after about five o'clock, the attendance in our facilities drops off significantly. So we thought we might have one SNAC card go around at 4.30 to catch people before they left, and another round at 6.30 after they've had a chance to maybe eat some dinner and hunker down for their studying for the evening. And doing it at those two times might capture a lot of people before they go home. We also recruited faculty from the reference and instruction department at Lane Library to staff the SNAC card. So I'm really appreciative of them for helping me push the card around. I can't remember. There was one day that I had something like some sort of conflict, and Varn was like, oh, no, I've got this all night. You go home. And I was like, oh, really? Okay, great. Bye. So that was kind of a relief to have someone just going to take over for me and know exactly what to do. We also listed the SNAC card events in our branded presence IO platform. Some of you might use presence at my prior institution before starting to work at Georgia Southern University. We did not use this, but I was aware of presence and its capabilities. What it can do is market events, but it can also collect attendance. You can scan in with your university ID, and so it allows you to check in for events, and then allows us to see some information about the people who attended, kind of see like, did we get high attendance from the freshman class? Did we get high attendance from biology majors or something like that? And it'll give us some information like that, which is really nice when we're trying to engage certain groups. So we were able to market the event and Eagle Engage is our way to brand presence for Georgia Southern. And we also unfortunately set them up a little bit differently. Again, because I'm still at the time was relatively new to Georgia Southern, I thought, I'll just put in one event for the whole week, the whole duration, and it'll be fine. I'll just, you know, collect IDs and we'll just get a number of like how many people attended. Unfortunately, this meant that I could only scan one person's ID one time. So if they got a snack Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday, it only counted as once. I was like, oh well. So that's what we learned from that experience. But we did also learn that Eagle Engage was a popular way to market the event to students, because this will show up in the Georgia Southern app. It, you know, tells students about the things that are going on on campus. And I think a lot of them saw snacks during finals. What? How can I get these? I want something to munch on. So, like I mentioned before, Georgia Southern on the Statesboro campus services about 17,000 students. We don't even service 5,000. So I'm thinking certainly half the amount of materials that they're ordering for the Statesboro campus should be enough to get us through. We're less than half the size. So we ordered, you know, the list is there. The total cost for the snack cart initiative was $139.20. And I'm thinking this should be enough. You know, we don't have a whole lot of students in the library facility during the evenings. And, you know, the advertising has mostly been word of mouth. So this should be fine, right? Wrong. But in the best way. So I always say that the best problem to have with an initiative like this is that there's too much interest. We can always work with that. So this year, or at least last semester, fall 2022, we had 313 unique attendees at Statesboro and 195 unique attendees at Armstrong. Right? This reflects 1.84% of the students on the Statesboro campus, but almost 5% of the students on the Armstrong campus. So even though we serviced fewer students by the numbers, word got out to those students and they told their friends about it. And everybody was showing up to get snacks over the course of the week, which was a great problem to have. It was ecstatic. However, because of the popularity of the event, we ran out of snacks pretty quickly. We ended up having to buy and get donations from the other library employees, combined about $60 worth of snacks, which I hate to do. I don't usually ask for donations, but everybody here was very gracious and just offered to donate food. I made sure to get their receipts afterwards. So hopefully next year we can just request more money for the initiative in general. I also wanted to make note that because of the differences in the way that we set up recording attendance for this event, there were 408 total interactions at the Statesboro campus. So they interacted with students 408 times, but they saw 313 students in those interactions. We don't know how many interactions we had at the Armstrong campus because of how I set up the data collecting tool. So because of that, I don't have a full comparison one to the other, but it feels as though we had to have at least had at least... It feels like we were seeing a lot of the same students every day, so I would not be surprised if we had 250 interactions or so, but that's just a guess. I can't tell you based on the numbers. You can have your regulars, your repeat users. They were going to be in the library anyway, and then they brought some friends. So we saw them like three times, but the first time we saw them, it was just them. Second time it was a study group. Third time it was them and another buddy. And I was like, oh man, I love that this is so popular. So for 2023, we are definitely going to be setting up our assessment the same way at both campuses so that this doesn't become a problem anymore. Looking ahead to spring 2023, we're going to, again, like I said, create a separate event for each day that we're going to be distributing snacks so that the data can be recorded at both locations the same way. We're also going to ask for an increased budget and because I was able to collect receipts from the donations, we do have numbers to back up that this is as much money as it takes to make this initiative. This initiative successful. I anticipate that we will probably be able to get this initiative done with $250 or so. I worry though, because the next this is the first semester that we've done the snack cart at the Armstrong campus and with it being the popularity and word of mouth spreading so fast that week. They'll be expecting it again this semester and I wonder what our numbers will look like based on that word of mouth. With that in mind, we kind of go back and forth sometimes. Should we do word of mouth and just rely on word of mouth for marketing because then we can hopefully make the snacks that we do purchase stretch for the whole week a little bit. Or should we do more intentional marketing to interact with more students and service more students even if that means we run out and we haven't really come to a decision yet about what we should do about that. The sticky thing about doing intentional marketing is that if we do the intentional marketing on the Armstrong campus where there are fewer students and we might be able to accommodate. Well, certainly not all 4600 students coming but most of the student, a lot of the students coming to participate in the snack cart week. I don't know that they'd be able to accommodate that event at the Statesboro campus just based on the sheer volume of students that they have there and you know we'll really have to work with them about what would be the best marketing strategy going forward. And then finally, if this is something that you want to do at your institution, it helps to have established written objectives. I think something that we need to do and improve upon here is make sure that they are very directly measurable objectives because we have the objective of we want students to be able to get in touch with their library liaison easier. But we don't have a whole lot of numbers to back up that students followed through with the information they received. So they would get a on their snacks, a little label like this. It's a little QR code that puts them in touch with the library and liaisons page where they can figure out who their liaison is, send them an email or schedule an appointment with them. But we don't know how many of these students actually followed through on the invitation to connect with a liaison. And even if they did connect with a liaison, we don't know if they found that out as a result of the snack cart initiative. And that's just one example. We have other objectives from the initiative, so that doesn't mean that we can't do it in the future. But when budgets are tight, like budgets are getting tight around here, then it helps to have very clear written objectives and a very clearly spelled out a plan of how you're going to measure those objectives moving forward. This would be a good way to secure funds at whatever institution you plan to do this kind of thing for. So things that we learned, things that I learned at least is that word of math travels really fast on a small campus. It moved much faster than I anticipated actually. Like I said, I was expecting to service about half of what they did at Statesboro. And I think we exceeded half. It wasn't quite the same number, but we definitely broke half. I'd say we probably service about two thirds of the same amount of students. Also, keep records. The more records you have about student attendance, the cost of the program, about who volunteered and when, that's going to help you. Number one, make arguments for more funds or less funds in the future. Or making the argument for we bought Rice Krispy Streets and they weren't very popular. That was not the case here. They were very popular. But if they're not at your campus, then you might think about getting a different item. Maybe they are more of a potato chip campus or something like sweets. I don't know. I can't imagine. So keeping records of all of that information is going to help you plan for the future. For me, it's keep as much information as you can. Also, it's okay to do things differently. I don't have any plans to move the snack cart at the Armstrong campus to the week prior to exams. I think that it worked really well for students while they were taking exams here. And they were really appreciative of just a quick moment to not worry about their studies and interact with somebody new. So I don't anticipate making that change in alignment with the Statesboro campus. But some things you do want to be the same like the measurements and the assessment plan. That should be the same for both campuses, but not everything has to. And finally, I think the biggest takeaway from this is that such a small thing as giving someone a granola bar and a little bottle of water and saying, you know, I hope you do well on your exams has made a really big impact. I can say that the Lane library has had an overall uptick in students coming in to study during the day since we did snack cart in the fall semester. And I don't know that those two things are directly related. I can't prove it, but I do find it interesting that we provided a really welcoming environment during a time of their lives that was very stressful. And now they feel more comfortable being in the space. So little things can have a really big impact no matter what demographic you're working with. So this went up a little bit quicker than I anticipated. But if you have any questions and please feel free, I've got my email address displayed and I also run the library's Instagram account. So if you want to follow us at GS libraries or measure message me there, then I will take that too. Yeah, great. Thank you so much, Jessica. Yeah. Anybody I've got some things that did come in. Definitely if you have any questions, comments, thoughts, suggestions, type into the questions section of your webinar interface and I will grab that for Jessica here to answer. We can chat anything, everything you want about snacks in your library. So someone did have a comment at the very beginning, which is true. You had predicted how many you thought you would have. And of course you were wrong. And I'm into food. That is one thing that I think we do know in libraries that food is something that will definitely attract people to your events to your programs to your meetings. And then just having it in this case as a suddenly on the fly thing. The same result. Absolutely. Let's see what we have here. So when the original library did the first the bigger location did it. This is something that I don't think you mentioned it but um, the previous presenters this morning had as their thing they're present in their presentation. Food in the library is a controversial subject to some people. And to others is like, whatever. So was there ever any sort of that's a question to any sort of pushback from anyone either the original or at your library as far as should we be encouraging this in the library. Or did you already have a open people, you know, students can bring in what they want. Yeah, that's actually a really good question or a good thing to raise for us. At the statesboro library, I believe they're, I mean, they have a coffee shop in the library. So it's kind of hard to really argue that there's a coffee shop in the library. But generally it's like, you know, you can have it wherever just, you know, be careful around, you know, technology and equipment. And it's kind of interesting because prior to my arrival on the Armstrong campus lame library did have a no food or drink policy for a while. And since then that has been removed. Like we're in alignment with our dean's vision for the libraries. It's been removed. This is a place where you can take food, have a snack or have your lunch even and hang out in the libraries for a bit. Again, it's kind of like be careful around the technology, please, but we have plenty of spaces that are not near a computer or near anything that's going to be damaged. So there's no reason to not eat there. And the snacks that we did get none of them. There may be crumbs, but there shouldn't be a lot of mess. And I think it's been interesting because the snack cart kind of goes against that perception of you can't eat in here. And that's something that we haven't had any pushback from, but we have had some students and faculty who are surprised that they can have food in here. And then we encourage them to, you know, again, take a snack or one day we were giving out popcorn in front of the library for a program. And someone said, oh, I need to go in the library to get something from the desk. Can you hold this? And I was like, yeah, I can, but you know you can bring that inside, right? Go ahead and go on it. And I was like, really? I was like, yeah, man, bring it inside. It'll be fine. So we're working to change that perception here. I guess you can say we are officially pro snacks in the library. I respect different opinions on it. I get it. Yeah. And I think most libraries are trying to move that way to be more welcoming, more yeses than noes. Yes. For anything somebody may want. I mean, be smart. Don't leave a mess. Don't leave your drinks covered so they don't accidentally spill somewhere, you know, you know, keep a lid on or whatever or the cap on your water bottle. Yeah. University situation or college situation. Officially you're dealing with adults. So you would hope they would be better about it. Public library, it may be a different. Yeah. Because someone can be different. Yeah. I think we're offering it to encouraging it to and having there are public libraries that I know that have same thing a coffee shop in the library. So, yeah, which of course I'm very jealous of I would love to have a coffee shop here but no such luck. But it is interesting the, and my last job, which was also at an academic library. During the COVID pandemic, like kind of like in the middle of all of that, they, you know, the facilities had pretty much told students that they can get their food from certain locations, but they can't stick around to eat. So there was the dining hall where there was limited seating. And then beyond that, especially if you were commuter student, there was no space for you to have lunch in between classes. So really the library had to be a space for that. And so ever since then, and especially at this campus that's so commuter heavy, I've been really cognizant of, you know, people use this space for more than studying. And a lot of times that includes food. It can be a place for like to be the community center of the campus. I mean, some campuses, some universities, some campuses do have their student center where that can be. But more than one location for that. And especially, yes, during the pandemic, people needed to be spread out more. They couldn't, you know, we had to have restrictions. And now some places still are doing that or still report whether the university is doing that still on their side, or just the students and faculty want the safety still, because we still are in the pandemic. I mean, the options need more than one place to go places where you can spread out and be safer. And why not be library library be one of them. Yeah, someone from the public library mentioned, we've offered small snacks, granola bars, etc. for a couple of years now at my library for the kids who come here after school to study or hang out into their parents come home. So yeah, there are a couple of kids that take advantage regularly that they say, hey, I'm coming in for the snack, they become they've become their regular, you know, customers. And it may bring in more kids to the library, too. They've mostly been using donations, but she says I'm going to need to actually buy something soon because it's getting to be so much more popular, more popular than their donations can handle. Yeah, I would recommend trying to keep like if you haven't kept a log of donations yet, definitely keep a log and then try to estimate how much each donation would cost to get a good estimate of like how much you're going to need to buy. Or argue to need to buy if you have to run it by somebody with the budgetary control. Right, right. So that's another question for your budget and you said you had the you had to ask for it so there was already money somewhere in your budget that could be just available views for this you didn't have to like, or did you have to like ask for an increase in the library's budget or something like that. Yes, so let me think. I don't remember specifically I think we have about $300 to work with for the whole year at this campus for the specific initiative, which is great and I was able to remain under that with the amount that we spent from the budget this time. But as was evidenced by the donations we that was not enough. So, with that information and with the information we'll get from the snack cart at the end of this semester over the summer I'll make an argument for we need more funds for this specific initiative. Sure. Having the data to back you up is huge. Yes, absolutely. It's harder when you're first starting out but Yeah, yeah and the and that number had been set before I got here. I hadn't done this before I was like, man, I don't know. I set aside money to buy candy. So I actually chaired the communications and marketing committee, but I also sit on the student outreach committee and the money for the snack cart comes from student outreach, but The communications and marketing committee was like, oh, we can buy, you know, some candy to like putting goodie bags for, you know, students who win prizes. Like we'll have a survey and if you take the survey you get drawn to win like a coffee cup or something like that. Fill it up with some candy put it in a nice bag and give it to the student right. I was like, we can do like $50 for candy, you know, it will cost nothing. I was like, oh, my God, candy cost so much money. I didn't realize how much. Oh, maybe I'll click this before. Yeah. Yes, I was like, wow, everything costs so much more money than I thought it was going to. We do have some questions or suggestions about that. I'm wondering if any local businesses would be willing to donate funds or of snacks or food or funding in exchange for advertising and donation on the cart. And so it says, can you find a sponsor for the food? Yes. Yeah, that's a great question. So it becomes a little bit complicated because we'll have to go through legal in order to do so because we don't want to compete with the University Dining Office. But we do. I'm going to go back on the slides a little bit. You'll notice this is the snack cart for the Henderson Library. I never managed to get a picture of our snack cart, but it is behind me. It has hung out in my office ever since December, and I keep saying, oh, I'm going to move it back. But you can see here, there's a sign that says three tree coffee roasters. The coffee shop in Henderson Libraries is called Three Tree, and it has a couple of branches that are external. The one branch that is in the library was willing to donate cold brew. And so we were able to get some cold brew from them to give out to students as well as the stuff that we bought. But we did have to go through legal to make sure we were in the clear to accept that donation, even from an in-house vendor. So it's certainly something that we can do, but there are just extra steps required. For a university, yeah. For a university or college, I can see that would be a different issue for a public library doing the same thing. The same way that they get donations all the time or partner with businesses and organizations in the community for any of their programs. I think they could definitely do that, yeah. We've definitely thought about it though, expanding and trying to get a couple of donations over here in Savannah. Yeah. There should be some good places that would be into it. You would think so, yeah, absolutely. Get the students to come off the campus to come to their businesses, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. So let's see, here's some more questions here we still have. Did you leave the library to engage the students or did you interact the ones that just came in? So did you take the car elsewhere or have you taken it elsewhere on campus or is it just in the library thing? That's a good question. So we did stay just in the library facilities. We didn't take it outside and that's partially for two reasons. One of them is our dean has really been encouraging us to do more programming in the library's facilities so that we can not only capture the attendance data to that event, but we'll also get door count numbers as well because we want to demonstrate the libraries being used. We also, the objective was to kind of like provide a pick me up for students who were studying and we mostly just kind of went to those locations. So I, students may have been studying in other places. They tend to not in our student union on this campus at least, but we did go through the Lane library facility. And I think I mentioned in the beginning of the presentation that we have a second facility, the learning commons. We also went across the quad to the learning commons and circulated through there as well each time. So library adjacent type. Yes. Library plus. Yeah. Someone's asking again, which snacks you did have and I think you had a slide there if you can back up to that to you had your list of the ones you provided and I want to know how did you you said you had a lot of things that don't have a lot of crumbs and whatnot, but how did you decide on these particular how did you figure out what the students might like or did you just guess. So, these are so besides the cheesecake crackers, the Quaker chewy bars and the rice crispy treats, the lifesavers all of that was stuff that was being distributed at Henderson library. So, really, I just was like, let's keep the simple carbon copy, but we're just going to do half. But I noticed that there was still a little bit of money we could let make up and I was like, well, I'm seeing, you know, sweet bars. But I'm not seeing anything savory. Let's do some crackers and people like both yeah, yeah. Yeah, so that's what we ended up purchasing. However, we did also get donation and the donations we got some like Lance cracker packs those were good. The students really went for the rice crispy treats to be honest like. Sure. Those were asked. But did you do and I don't remember if I forgive me if you mentioned this surveying the students to find out what they thought or now since then or their suggestions of what you might have on the cart. We didn't do any of that but that's a really good suggestion. It's good suggestion. I obviously like it so. Yeah, yeah, we didn't have any complaints for like the free food we were passing around. But that would be a good idea to kind of see like if there's some stuff that we're missing. I also started after this was over I was like there's got to be better deals and what we found so as a librarian is want to do I started shopping and found some other deals on you know, Amazon Costco, some buying and bulls they for at a cheaper price. Yeah. Right, right. And so some of the stuff that we might do for this turn is if we have money for it, we might do like preson in addition to the little water bottles. Just I don't know for nostalgia, I guess. Maybe do like individual like Oreo cookies or something like that. Not like we buy a pack and hand them out individually but they make it. They have the package things like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because in general I wouldn't recommend just for future reference I wouldn't recommend doing the whole like we bought like a pack of cookies and I will hand you one and stuff like you might do. Like in kindergarten or something like for adults they kind of want it to be wrapped up and like I know you didn't tamper with this. Exactly. Yes. You want to be safe with it as well. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I'm gonna have to go through legal if we did that way anyway. We're legal. And you said the marketing you didn't do someone asking about marketing for it. You did some. Yes, you said you put it into some of the. Yeah. So we put it in our platform Eagle Engage but that was the only marketing that we did for it. We do have like a Instagram and a Facebook. Yeah. There are places around campus where we can post flyers but we elected not to do that because we wanted to again make sure that we had enough to go around. We didn't want everybody like influx on the first day and then like know what do we do. Which ended up almost happening anyway. But yeah, I don't think it looks like you didn't need much of the marketing but there would definitely be the usual places that do that. Yeah. I think we're going to work on wrapping up just in a minute or two here with this session. If anybody does have any desperate questions, comments, thoughts you want to share. Yeah, please feel free to email me or again message me on Instagram. I'm happy to take questions and just network with you guys. Yeah, just his email. But if you want to ask right now get something into the questions section right away so we can get that answered. The last thing I have up here right now from the libraries is from a public library. They. Okay, they offer snacks to kids at programs and when they get early out of school program days. But she wants to try and offer something more substantial they have many kids in the community that are hungry and you know, but their board and budget won't allow it at the moment. So we've got to get food for them in a rural town of only 500 people. I think what we've been talking about the donations are quick, you know, I mean if it's a budget issue that's the go out into your community or grants. Previously today and there are lots of, I mean here in Nebraska we offer grants. Library improvement grants youth services grants that this kind of a program if you wanted to initiate at your library would definitely fall into possibly. Well actually food, it would depend on the situation. And that sometimes food is a cut off for some grants, but that could be something else to look into, or getting with one of your businesses or community members and say hey, we don't have the budget we've got this need. And then when she, you know, come from that side, have the budget figured out, then go to your board and say all that costs is me going shopping like I do anyway. Alright, absolutely. And another thing I recommend this may not be applicable to whoever asked the question. If you have a university or a community college, even in your area, reach out to them and see if they want to partner. Because I know our library system is seeking opportunity to partner with the greater communities in our areas. And that would definitely be something that we'd be interested in doing. Yeah, that's a great suggestion. Yeah. And then the last comment came in that says thanks so much for the session. I think this would be a great way to market library events and programs too. Absolutely. You can have flyers or information not just saying here's food but also here's food and here's the thing we're doing next week. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Maybe we can do a midterms edition next year. Great. Okay. So a disc don't have any other desperate questions come in right now. That's great. Perfect timing here today. Thank you so much, Jessica. I'm learning about your snacks. I hope everybody's hungry now. Hope you're not too hungry or if you are, you have a snack on hand.