 Coming up on DTNS Google decides to just leak stuff about the pixel for itself blink twice to zoom with your eyes and an air-conditioned shirt This is the Daily Tech news for Monday July 29th 2019 in Los Angeles on Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane and from LA County. I'm the show's producer Roger chain We were just having a lovely discussion of dog parks And more on good day internet to get the expanded conversation at patreon.com DTNS Let's start daily tech news show with some tech things you should know Analyst Ming-Chi Quo says that his information indicates that Apple will release three 5g phones in 2020 all three models are expected to support MM wave and sub six gigahertz spectrum used in the US markets Not terribly surprising and but good to be confirmed the fortnight world cup finals has a three million dollar champ 16 year old Kyle Gearsdorf Screen name bug ha the event drew two million concurrent live streams on Twitch and YouTube and Thousands of fans came to the event live at Arthur Ashe Stadium in Queens, New York in the pairs competition European duo a meal bearquist Pettersen aka Nirox and David Wang aka aqua clinched the three million dollar grand prize in that category Gotta start playing for it Tick-tock maker bite dance announced that it's developing a smartphone with device maker Smartisan technology the Chinese financial news outlet kaging reports that the phone has been in development by smart as in For the past seven months and is being led by former smart as an exec who does yo The EU court of justice has ruled the websites that embed the Facebook like button or a similar social plug-in are responsible for the data Collected and sent to a third party via that button the ruling stems from a 2015 lawsuit against fashion ID a retail shop in Germany So it was the suit was filed by a German consumer group who accused the site of collecting visitor data without prior Approval through the Facebook like button court ruling was based on the EU's older data protection directive and should Still apply under the more stringent GDPR Oppo released images of a prototype a new screen to subscribe as a waterfall as the viewable portion of the front screen Wraps around the edges at 88 degrees almost a straight right angle Oppo didn't detail what sides would be used for what they would be if they would be touch sensitive or not Or where the power and volume buttons would go but this could be something that is using an actual phone model See oppo or one plus All right, let's talk a little more about that pixel four leak. Let's do it. It's a post. I keep calling it a leak accidentally Yeah, it's Google posted details real details of it's upcoming pixel four phones top bezel The bezel includes solely which is which it says powers motion sense allowing for gesture controls without touch Google's advanced technology and projects team that develop solely which works with radar Motion sense will be available in select countries likely because it works in the 57 to 64 gigahertz frequency band Which ours technic Technica points out in the US requires a special dispensation to lift power limitations on those bands Along with solely and a selfie cam or two face unlock cameras using infrared and dot projection similar to Apple's face ID Google says that solely let's the phone unlock as you're picking it up. However Very cool facial data never leaves the phone and isn't shared with other Google services According to the company same goes for solely. Yeah, but before we get to the actual details here I feel like it's a it's a milestone that we've hit where Google says, you know, everything just leaks out Anyway, we're just gonna start getting in front of that and posting some details ourselves So here you go ahead of the announcement generate some excitement and I think it worked I think it worked because the the radar stuff is something people have been seeing a tap talk about for a long time It does not seem to be at the same Level of precision that they have demonstrated in the lab, but I guess that makes sense in practice I know you are real excited though at the idea that that radar can tell when you're picking up the phone And start the facial recognition happening so you don't have to pick up the phone and look at it every time Yeah, I mean I I know I'm I'm somewhat in the minority of of face ID haters, but I really do hate it I missed touch ID. It just worked a lot better and the and the reason is because you know, even despite lots of people writing in with with great Of offers of like how face ID could work better for Sarah The fact is is that half the time my phone is you know on the other side of the table Not near me and it's it's you know to to pick it up and look at it is not always all that uh convenient So this is awesome if it works I could switch I was going to ask you that like would you be getting a pixel four by the end of the year? I don't know man. I it sounds crazy, right? But but maybe yeah crazy Most of the world uses android phones pixel fours or pixels are very good phones It's like the pixel four shaping up to be a really good phone. Good point. Tom. Yeah, I don't know You know, it might be uh, this might this might be the year for us. It will be interesting to see Uh, whether that motion sense is is is held back by the approval levels They they had to get special dispensation like sarah said in the united states Some countries may not be willing to give that special dispensation We'll we'll follow that and see how it goes Meanwhile, the race is on For ai researchers at harvard and mit ibm. Watson lab have created the giant language model test room or gltr That can identify whether a piece of text was generated by a language model algorithm. In other words ai recognize ai in text It analyzes word distribution, which is more predictable in text made by a machine. In fact in the in the demonstrations, uh, they kind of grade it as green or yellow Whether this word was predicted and when you look At the graph of words written by humans were often thrown in things that are purple or red like that was an unexpected word Whereas ai always does the more likely word So it's able to look at that and say we think this was written by an ai Uh gltr is able to detect fake text about 72 of the time, but humans Basically can detect fake text about 54 of the time. So we're not bad But we're not as good as gltr next web notes that a tool called bottle meter is already out there That one can identify whether an account is operated by a bot about 95 of the time So, uh, here we go the the worry about whether ai will make a world in which we can't tell what's real Moderate it a little bit by the idea that ai will also help us tell when things are being faked So to ask a really dumb question Okay, so when I argue with a bot on twitter and someone, you know four hours into it is like sarah That's clearly a bot on twitter and you didn't realize it because you're a human Is this the sort of thing that's supposed to Squash that problem. I feel like bottle meter is bottle meter is is is being touted as something that You know social networks could use to be like, oh, that's definitely a bot Let's let's see if that's a bot that should be allowed. Some bots are good I have a bot that automatically posted things I don't think it's allowed anymore But but not all bots are bad or whether it's like, oh, this is this is astroturfing This is this is trying to manipulate the system So yeah bottle meter could do that and that this kind of ai on ai could be able to tech Tell like oh posts on these posts on facebook seem to have been Artificially generated. Let's call attention to them and see if they need heavier moderation Yeah, well and also if a tool like this works Well, it works as advertised What happens what happens to the bots, you know race happens the bots get better This forces the bots to be like, how do we have a detection? Let's increase our algorithm and then the detection algorithms had to get better and we're To where we are with everything with technology Where there's a constant pressure to try to outdo the other side and get around it But again, okay, you mentioned facebook Okay, let's say that I bought detector is really good Does facebook have to buy that company and use the technology in order to filter out a bunch of stuff They don't have to buy that company. They're probably investigating whether they can use this kind of technology in some way Right, but it's never going to be perfect You were never going to be able like oh, we found the AI we turned it on now. Everything's fine. Everything everybody can go back to relaxing Well, you know what I like to do besides relaxing is eat The new york times reports that its sources say that amazon is exploring creating a grocery store chain Separate from whole foods which it bought a couple years ago The new stores would be designed with pickup and delivery in mind combined with a small area for picking out Fresh goods like produce a memo from 2017 described ordering non fresh goods on an app that would be brought down And made ready at checkout amazon is advertised for jobs that are part of quotes creating multiple Customer experiences under one roof Apparently amazon is looking for spaces near whole foods locations as well Yeah, this is interesting. So it seems separate from their convenience stores the ones that are automated Although i'm going to guess they're going to try to use that automated technology somehow Yeah, the amazon go stores. Yeah, yeah, but it's more of a grocery store and in the memo from 2017 Which is of course before amazon bought whole foods it described a situation where either upstairs or in a separate part of the building All of the paper towels and and and the commodity items are kept and the customer just walks in is like Oh, okay. I want to pick a nice cantaloupe some fresh pork On your app is where you're like and I need you know paper towels and saran wrap and all that sort of thing That stuff's just brought out for you trying to combine the best of online ordering and in-person shopping And it's interesting that they are differentiating this from whole foods, right? It's it's not saying whole foods is our grocery store and we'll change it into this They're saying no whole foods is for a particular kind of shopper and we don't want to Effect that so we'll create this other kinds of grocery store But have it near the whole foods so that whatever you want you can go to both places And the new york times article even mentions That the new stores could probably act as a warehouse for items from the whole foods Which would help out with delivery since whole food usually doesn't have a big back of store area And just stocking items for efficiency between the two locations Doesn't it sound so amazon though to be like hey, no, we're we're gonna let you continue on our platform But we're also going to start competing with you in our own way With themselves right because it is them whole yeah So yeah, it is very much it is very amazon It's also kind of apple where the idea is We would rather lose to ourselves than someone else. So let's compete with ourselves You know, there's a whole foods has a and i'm not sure how many markets this is in but it has a 365 Store that's not far from where I live, which is all whole foods 365 branded things So it's kind of like somewhere between a whole foods and a trader joe's hard to say If you like the brand great, you're gonna you're gonna find stuff that you like but um bargain brand, right? That's It is It is but I but I wonder, you know, how many of these franchises are we going to have because if amazon does this right Everyone's gonna go to the new amazon store. I mean whole foods. I'm a whole foods person I've I've been shopping at whole foods for many many years now And I you know, I I like the experience for the most part But the fact that this wouldn't be bundled into where I already go Is sort of problematic for me. I guess is the 365 store is a step towards this new amazon store Which is let's come up with something for people who don't feel like they can afford to shop at whole foods And maybe this new amazon store Leans into that crowd, but there are people who shop whole foods who are like absolutely not I will not go buy Commodity items non-organic items, you know, I I want the selected curated whole foods experience. Sure. I want to talk to people So I imagine that amazon feels there's probably a good bet that you you'll keep Shopping there's always going to be yeah that that sector of people who feel like they want the You know the the enhanced grocery experience Yeah And the other one's more of a convenience of like how do we Make the person who wants to shop online, but also needs to like see a couple of things in person How do we come up with a new version of a grocery store from the ground up built specifically for that kind of shop? Well, I look forward to seeing it amazon Interesting amazon says they don't comment on rumors and speculation. So no no confirmation from them on any of this Scientists at stanford have developed a way to detect packets of vibrational energy called phonons Often referred to as quantum sound not photons. That's light phonons Is sound and they are the smallest known units of sound Information in a quantum computer could be stored in phonons instead of photons Which could then store more info in a smaller space than using light or photons The scientists build a device that detected the phonons the audio using small resonators that measure vibrations with different energy levels corresponding to different numbers of phonons the upshot here is quantum computers Getting faster and more efficient to run if they can implement this research from stanford How do they get more efficient with phonons? I understand the concept of phonons. It's really cool. But but like how does it work? Uh, they you can store more info in a smaller space than you would using light Uh, they're just they're just better at transferring the information I don't know. I'm I'm into a vacuum though, right Right To send the sound I think I don't know quantum physicists write in feedback at daily tech news show dot com and let me know Maybe quantum uh phonons, uh, can be used in a vacuum and I don't realize it Maybe they use dark energy or something crazy, but I I still I think even though they are very small Sound they still need a medium to vibrate, right? Yes, one would think so that said Being able to store more information in a smaller space Then using light I mean I grew up we all did, you know, it'd be like nothing's uh faster than the speed of light You know, so it's like it's one of these things that I'm trying to wrap my head around Well, I think it has to do with the receptors Uh, yeah, I think the resonators probably would it's my guess That the resonators are where it becomes more efficient because it's not a you're still storing it The way you normally store things you don't store things with light you store things in silicon you flip bits, right? Right, um, and and so the way quantum computers work are with states of energy But it may be in interpreting the phonons these resonators are more efficient Again on physicists, please write in and let us know please do. Yeah, I mean sounds great Uh just on the science tip scientists at the University of California, San Diego have created a contact lens You put in your eye controlled by eye movements that can zoom in if you blink twice It's like my dream come true the scientists measured the electro Oculographic signals from eyes to create a soft biometric lens that responds to those electric impulses With the ability to change its focal length depending on the signals generated Now this one I actually did look into uh to find out exactly how it worked because it didn't require a degree in quantum physics Oculographic is the the change in the electric potential in your eye Caused by your eye movement So blinking is is an eye movement that that changes the potential and and they have created a a very comfortable I suppose using a contact lens way of detecting that Uh without having to put electrodes in your eyes that they can then use To send a signal and then changing the contact lens to zoom in changing the uh like the focal length of your contact lens That's the other part of the technology that's interesting here. Um I I I mean it sounds like a web browser doesn't it you know where I'm like Zoom in you know every once in a while if I like to have to read text Yeah, and then like zoom back out. It's it's it's you know, it's it's once you get the hang of it If this works as advertised it is awesome now We're we're imagining like bionic eye type stuff The practical uses according to the scene at article are visual prostheses Uh, so so being able to control the focal length with your eye movements with with something that is improving your vision Uh adjustable glasses So you would blink in order to change the glasses focal length that wouldn't affect your direct vision Uh and remotely operated robotics. So blink to control right? There's all kinds of things you could do With that ability to sense the potential here Uh, it's pretty this is pretty wide ranging stuff You know the thing I'm trying to focus on is it's not just what you can do with the contact lens It's the fact that you can use The blinking and the eye movement left and right Uh, you can now sense it more easily. Yeah to trigger something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I I it it You know, my first reaction of course is like, oh, well, you know, you're gonna blink wrong and something terrible is Going to happen. Um, that's not really what this is about. Um, the the over arching capabilities of this are are vast and I you know, it kind of just it sort of plays into you know, gesture stuff It's you know gestures with your eyes. Yeah for for for people like Stephen Hawking who who needed Some some very custom technology to be able to communicate You know, blinking is something that he could have done and would have allowed him more control over What he had versus the the blowing and all that. So yeah, uh, really really interesting stuff It's hot Yes, it is most of the world right now It feels like anyway. I know it's hot in europe. It's hot in the united states and canada It's usually hot mexico, uh in large parts at this time of year. Uh, so They're not excused from being hot over in japan, especially when we're getting close to august sony's crowd funding site first flight has announced the rion pocket A pocket sized air conditioner that fits in a shirt Starting at 12,760 yen, which is around 117 bucks us right now Expected to ship in march 2020 and time for next summer The rion pocket uses the peltier effect which uses a small electrical current to absorb or give off heat You can use this in the winter to warm yourself up too. The shirt can cool someone by 13 degrees celsius That's 23 degrees fahrenheit or in the winter heat you up by 8 degrees celsius 14 degrees fahrenheit It's controlled as you might have guessed with an app over bluetooth and charges over usbc Battery life of the device is rated at 24 hours for the bluetooth connection With about two hours of active cooling or heating. It's got a thermostat. So it'll turn itself on and off The rion pocket will only be available in japan sadly, but uh, I know we got some folks out there in japan Who wants to pick them up and try it out for us? Oh, please do please do because i'm already jealous You know my my initial questions are things like well, okay If it's in some my shirt, do I see it? Is it going to bulge? You know like how how how well is this going to radiate? cool or heat depending on the time of year um for me, but In general, I want this. Well, did you see the video? Yeah the promotional video So it it slips in the back of your your shirt, right? So it's kind of out of the way It's it can be worn under your normal white shirt, right? So you can you can just you know What's an horrible white shirt the white shirt the the the white dress shirt that the salary man wears in japan I see yeah, what the word in the video? Yep Um And and so you you look perfectly professional nobody knows but of course in the in the hilarious video There's the one guy who's cool outside the other guy sweating and but you know Wipe an office forehead and everything because you know the smart guy has the rion pocket I don't Peltier effects real it can work. Uh roger pointed out in our pre show That those uh in-dash air conditioners they used to sell for cars use the peltier effect To to provide a tiny bit of cooling. I don't know how well this is going to work though. It's The things peltier only works on very small things like it does not scale So if you were to make the figure you are the worst is is going to work So and I mean that's why it's such a little device But I was thinking they would put it in areas of your body that would require more cooling like maybe under the arms or something Uh, I'm wondering if that back Pump area between your shoulder blades is is the most effective place. I mean it could be I I don't know but I don't know. I I I the other day and it's very hot in l.a. Is roger and tom know at this at this time of year and I I picked up some you know spin drifts, right? But and they were cold coming out of the cooler and it was like it was so hot That I just kind of put it on the back of my neck as I walked home a few blocks and it really made a difference I mean, I'm not sure how much the placement of it matters If you're getting the cooling that you're asking for Well, yeah, because this does require some heat removal the peltier effect doesn't just eat the heat So having it at the back allows it to vent the heat out away from you more easily. I think yeah, um, but yeah um I'm curious if this is just another like Kind of toy basically that doesn't really work that well. It's very japan. That's for sure But it but but it might make a lot of sense Yeah, we'll have to wait and see it's from sony after all, you know, it's not it's not A company we've never heard of before I've heard of sony. You've heard of sony I have a sony television. Yeah, folks if you want to get all the tech headlines these days about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com Also, thanks to everybody who participates in our sub reddit daily You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com We're also on facebook join our group if you haven't already facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show Now let's check in with chris christensen aka the amateur traveler Who has a tip on accessing emergency help when you're traveling internationally? This is chris christensen from amateur traveler with another tech in travel minute And thanks to my wife for spotting this in the air b&b magazine I didn't know if you know that they had a magazine But if you are traveling and you have an emergency and you want to call the emergency number If you're in the states, you'd call 911, but that's not going to work if you're in france or if you're in bangladesh Do you know what number to call and if not there's an app for that? You can use the app trip whistle global sos Which you'll just have to look up where you are and it will tell you what number to call very simple app Simple application, but it might give you a little piece of mind. I'm chris christensen from amateur traveler Oh Yeah, I mean I would like to give it location information so it could just tell where I am and tell me what the Emergency number should be, you know I also uh Air b&b the magazine for whatever reason was delivered to my house I only got the one It was a few months ago. So I'm not I'm not uh apparently signed up, but it's pretty cool It's actually like that with what nicole lee. I think we talked about all these that's right. Yes. Yes. Yes That's interesting. Thank you chris. Let's check out the mail bag Let's do it. Mike wrote in and said i'm a ux designer front-end developer and have been dealing with the issue of accessibility for over 15 years a few years ago the province of ontario canada introduced a new accessibility law accessibility of ontarians with disabilities act or A ODA was created as a result of a lawsuit the same kind of lawsuit you were talking about on friday's show The law doesn't have draconian standards. It simply outlines dates and guidelines for implementation So for example organizations of a specific size would need to meet the wcag 2.0 a a standard by a specific date It gave organizations time to implement and a specific standard to follow Everyone panicked They thought that they'd never be able to meet the standards and that the standards were too complicated The funny thing is that i've never had a client complain about the end result of an accessible product Every one of the products that we use cost the same amount of money And most of them work better for everybody because we accounted for the edge cases of a 11 y pardon me Turns out that everybody benefits from a clear well-designed product that focuses on function before form We never get anything perfect. We try our best and when we find an issue we fix it But in general we ask ourselves a couple of questions Can I access everything on the page with a keyboard? Is the language used inputs clear and Understandable and if I make this black and white will I still tell what to click when when you fix those issues You solve most of the problems and make a better product for everyone That's cool And mike was among a few people who pointed out that in the united states the government has standards for accessibility Section 508 if you're making a website that requires government approval section 508.gov tells you what those standards are So it's not like the u.s. Government doesn't already have standards. It's just that it only applies to themselves So that's why dominos can still have a defense in the lawsuit saying well There's no ad a requirement for us because we don't make websites for the government But it would be pretty easy to just say hey, we've got standards section 508 Let's apply those to the americans a disability act and Then we're done or you know company like dominos could just voluntarily Employ the section 508 standards and make their sites accessible There are lots of ways to solve this problem is what it comes down to and thanks to everybody who wrote in about those And thanks to you folks who support us on patreon patreon.com slash dtns get you all kinds of member benefits It is the best way to directly support us remember That we are not a big company. 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