 Namaskaram, I'm sorry for this glitch. I think all of us should get used to this virus world. This is how we're going to talk to each other, the warmth of being together. I think we can, we need to put it off for some time. And as things are, as all of you already know, the main concern that is building up in the world is initially we thought this virus is largely going to cause respiratory infection and damage in that context. But now we are seeing it is causing damage to the liver, it is causing neurological damage, brain damage and it's manifesting in many different ways in different parts of the world. And also the general understanding was that once you get an infection, you have antibodies and you will manage with this, but the reinfections are multiplying particularly in Europe. It has not been noticed in India. Maybe people are not going back. I don't know what's the situation. But definitely it is nobody has a handle on the virus yet. We have managed in India, we have managed very well by controlling human behavior. But we still have no clue what is the nature of this virus. How is it going to play out? It's largely in the mode of hope. Well, some scientists are saying particularly for India that if we locked down till May 15th, our virus problems may end somewhere in mid-September and if we locked down till May 31st, it may end somewhere in mid-July. Some predictions are being made, but I think this is all playing with statistics. But at a time like this, statistics should be used how a drunk will use a lamp post only for support, not for illumination. I don't think anybody has a clear picture where this is going. But having said that, I have a personal feeling that India will not go to extremes in terms of fatalities and the way it is running through New York state. I don't think that will happen here. But where I fundamental resilience of who we are, our immune systems function in a certain way because so many things have not been able to kill us. So in that sense, we are a little more resistant to things. And also our lifestyle, particularly in Southern India, the type of food that we're eating, our lifestyles. And also we are only one generation away, most of us are only one generation away, only about 40 to 50 years away from agricultural lifestyles. Because of that, because of our connection with the land and over 65% of the people still in some way are engaged with the land, because of this, we may pass through this much more easily than Western societies the way they're going through. But our economic problems could be much, much more simply because as it is for 1.4 billion people, we don't have a sizable economy to service 1.4 billion people. In the last 20 years of economic development that's happened in the country, which is substantial, because of this, we have pulled out nearly 240 million people out of poverty. Unfortunately, it is possible if we don't handle things right in the next two years time, we may push them straight back below the poverty line. So in all this, there are bright spots, but you are all the business people, you must be experts. I think it's better I leave that to you rather than me making analysis. But what I see is, without a strong investment from outside the country, without that, I don't think we have the capability to put back the markets in place, to put back the industry in place, to move the populations back to their workplaces. These growths of people, once they move away, they will mostly, most of them may have a small piece of land, they will get into agricultural activity or something. And also the fear of coming back to a big city because most of the deaths happen in the big cities. So there are many social issues and stuff, but extending the lockdown, is it a possibility? Maybe in a partial mode they will try, but partial lockdown is always far more difficult to enforce than a total curfew like lockdown can be done with a force. But partial lockdowns are very, very difficult and there is a certain amount of social unrest, building it up, people are reaching a point where they're coming to this mode. It doesn't matter if we die, we will go out and do something, that kind of mode. And also people running out of their economic resources at many levels of the society and they want to anyway get out and work. In America, they are getting out because they want to have a haircut. That is another kind of need. But India has a unique problem. I, in my personal opinion, I believe that unless we grab this opportunity, there is an opportunity in the sense, the trust that people had in our neighboring country in the Chinese economy, I think it's been seriously eroded and already Japan has offered over $500 billion to help their industry move out of China and United States I'm sure will do something much stronger. So over 300 top companies in the world could be, if not fully, partially moving out of China. This is a great opportunity. India is eminently positioned to take this. This will need a very determined effort from the industry lobby, the businesses and the government of course, have to pitch in. Already we have put in these things and I'm sure government is also very conscious about this. But how efficiently we do it, how hungrily we grab this will determine this. If these 300 companies come into India, even for partial production, and if we spread it across the 28 states to some extent, in some way we can get the economy buzzing. So some of our sectors, which are like textile, which involves a lot of labor and a whole lot of people are involved in this, is one of the large employers in the country. I don't think these sectors will be able to bounce back immediately because there will be no market for this sector. So things which are concerned with food, electronics and software, all these things can come up, healthcare, all these things can come up. But many industries like entertainment, textiles, fashion, apparel, these things will take a very big hit. And well, all of us are going to have a lot of pain, but this is also a time for us because we've always been patting our own back saying that we are a very innovative society. Well, this is the time to show how innovative we really are. These are genuinely challenging times. If people are not grasping the full depth, it will come home to us in the next month or two. How much of a challenge it is, it is a great challenge. It is the challenge of the biggest challenge our generation has faced. But we are capable as because as a nation we have certain advantages and we are positioned in a certain way geopolitically and there is a certain amount of disturbance in the country. I mean in the world, we have been left out of the economic development in the world including Asia. Even most of the Asian countries are at least twenty-five to thirty years ahead of us. I think this is probably the best possible opportunity we have to level that in the next three to five years time. But it is going to be painful. It is going to be painful for all of us to make very painful decisions that we wouldn't want to make in our lives. This is a time we will have to do some things. As you know, in Italy, in Spain and even in New York City, even for ventilators in well-developed countries where economies are strong, even there they are deciding who should get the ventilator. So if, if me and my mother need ventilator or they will give it to me, not to my mother. If me and my daughter needs ventilator, they'll give it to her, not to me. I'm saying these are cruel decisions to make. So people that we care for, people who are concerned about, people who work for us, unfortunately we may have to make very painful decisions. So these are definitely challenging times. But we must come out of this successfully. That is where we, for us to, this is a time for us to prove how resilient a generation are we. Satguru, thank you so much for this. We have some questions. And I know that you're always there to answer it. What do you mean by, and I'm sorry for, I will take the prerogative of asking you the first question. What do you mean by this word resilience? Does it come in the form of hope? Or does it come in the form of faith? And, and how do you expect, you know, like, for instance, Rajiv Bajaj yesterday gave a statement in the paper saying that you want me to open my factories. Why should I, when there are no people to buy motorcycles, the money's gone out. So how do you put that back in the, in the form of resilience of the people? Because yes, we know there are opportunities out there. Everybody talks about them. But those first steps of how to make it and move us. There is no, there is no much magic wand for the challenge that we are facing. There is no one, one, you know, golden solution that you can go for. And this is it. Well, all of us have to rethink the fundamentals of what we're doing. For example, let's say right now, they're educational institutions, we are focused on this in a big way because we have such a huge, massive young population. Well, even if you want to open the schools, parents may not be willing to send their children to schools if the fatalities continue and they wouldn't want to send their children out. So now we have to reinvent how we're going to do education. Similarly, well, motorcycles, you know, they are dear to me. So, well, we have to bring back this in so many different ways. Machines have to be engines and machines can be used in a thousand different ways. We have to see how we can do this. Maybe motorcycles will have to become small agro machines. I don't know what. It's not for me to suggest. But I'm saying if this goes for a long period, let's say this goes for 12 to 18 months, then for things to recover, it'll take three to four years time. So these four years, are you going to just close down your industry and wait? That's not going to happen. That's not a practical thing. We will have to innovate. We will have to sell our motorcycles somewhere else. We will have to sell our clothing somewhere else. We will have to change the way we do the service industry. Now, one of the large employers is tourism. Do you think tourism is going to come back anytime soon? Definitely that's not going to come back. Hospitality industry, enormous amount of people employed in this. You think people are going to fill the hotel rooms? It is not going to happen very soon. It's going to take time. Unless before September, if this virus situation ends in India, then we may recover in six months or nine months time maximum. But if it continues as people are predicting, in the United States, they're saying post fall season in winter, it's the second wave will come 10 times stronger than the way it has come right now. Even in China, they are thinking in fall time, it is going to come back in a big way. Some of the scientists are saying that. But as I said, these are all predictions based on existing situations. What virus will do? What is its capability? What is its resilience? We still do not know much about it because it is our knowledge about it or our conclusions about it is changing every day. So we still do not know. We don't have any kind of handle on the virus. We have contained it only by controlling human behavior. We've done nothing about the virus, either about curing the disease or about preventing it. Nothing we have done because we don't have full picture of what the virus can do. We still don't have a full picture. So whatever we say is largely conjecture, we are just hoping and projecting things. But the important thing is we must be in a state of enormous level of innovations we must be capable of. We must be willing to come down from whatever comfortable towers we are sitting on and come down to the ground and reinvent a whole lot of things as to how we do it. There is no particular way to do it because for each industry, for each region, it is going to be very, very different. Thank you, Satguru and we really learned that medicine is now adaptive and prescriptive and not scientific. But I'd like to throw open question to Mr. Sumit Mazumdar. Sumit is the past prince. He is the Indian chairman of TIL, manufacturer of one of the nation's largest material handling range, equipment range. So Sumit. I'm seeing you. I'm not seeing Satguru. I think you can flip your screen but we can see Satguru. So go ahead and ask your question. Okay, Satguru. Namaskaram, Sumit. We met such a pleasure. I still remember that day with very fondly. And I did go outside to see your motorcycle, by the way. Okay, Satguru Ji, I have since it's a rare opportunity. So I have a few questions for you and I'll do them very quickly. You talked about partial lockdown is a problem because there'd be a lot of indiscipline and things like that. But you know, without partial lockdown, unless people start earning and companies start earning to pay salaries and wages, it becomes very difficult. And I think it's up to the administration to manage a partial lockdown. To really intensify the policing over there. I mean, this is just my view. The other point you made was you have to take a tough decision. You give the example of a ventilator between your mother, you and your daughter, which is a very, very valid but in your day-to-day life within your family and your colleagues, who you're dealing with every day. It's a very tough decision. In fact, the question that comes to my mind and which I want to really ask you is for people who have not been able to really handle the situation, you know, the way a lot of others have been able to handle, are in really in a psychological upheaval. How do you tackle and how do you help them? And the final question I have for you is all the elements mostly that we see are in urban India because it's been imported or whatever it is. But with the migration of the forceful migration of the workers back to the villages, if it starts spreading in the villages where the facilities are even far less, it could become a major, major issue. And what is your advice on that, please? Well, as I said, every one of us will be forced to make painful decisions, unfortunately. For some of us, it may be economic decisions. For some of us, it's human things that people we value and we understand about. We won't be able to reach out and do what we wish to do for them simply because economic concerns and social situations may be such. About partial lockdown, they will definitely do partial lockdown. That's what the plan is right now. It's very clear. But I'm saying in a country like India, enforcing partial lockdown is going to be extremely difficult. If it's a curfew, the policemen standing there with a stick or a gun and managing it is a different affair. But now with the moment you allow a part of the people to come out and work, another part cannot come out, that is going to be a serious challenge because that is not the kind of population we have. And there will be issues how to manage that. About infections going to rural India, well, it is a concern. But at the same time, I have a strong gut feeling that it will not go wild in rural India for a variety of reasons. As I said, one thing is, it is my understanding that, I mean, there may be, there is no, there may not be scientific concurrence with this. But in my understanding, people who are working with the land, people who are in touch with the earth may not be so seriously impacted as urban people are impacted. I have a strong feeling towards that. I hope that comes true. But till now, few crores of people have gone from urban centers to villages, but we have not seen an outburst of infections in rural India. And as it is said, the kind of, even in the virus, I think Chopinam was saying something, I couldn't hear the whole thing. They are categorizing ABC, three different varieties. In India, it looks like it's a milder version. Once again, when the air travel starts between nations, international travel starts, we do not know what we will get back again. But it seems to be little less virulent or we seem to be more resilient, whichever way. As I said, there's no clear picture what is the nature of the virus we are facing. We are getting a piecemeal information as they observe more things, they're coming up with more and more, but we don't have a clear picture exactly what it can do. So whether it will cause havoc in rural India or not is still a question mark, but in my gut feeling, I feel such a thing will not happen in rural India. This will largely be an urban phenomena and maybe especially small towns where people are really packed together, it may happen. But still that is a substantial population by itself. As I said, there is no magic wand, all of us must be ready for a hard two years at least I think. Thank you very much. Thank you, Sumit. The next question is by Rajan Nawani. Rajan was one of the early young Indian presidents and today he is the chair of the CII Future Council and CII is India at 75 council. So he's in a lot of IT, does a lot of cool things. So Rajan, please your question. Thank you. Omil Pranam, Sadhguruji. Namaskar. You always say that whatever comes into our lives is our own creation. I've heard you say that and given that the current crisis that we are all dealing with is impacting everyone pretty much around the world. A lot of course the older, but the young generation who are aspirational, ready to go, many of the new age companies, startups, we're going to face severe disappointment right now and over the several coming months. I mean I was just wondering if there is that one practical spiritual thing that you think that each one of us, every probably human around each day in this kind of a time of crisis, what would that be and that could be in relation to what we do individually, maybe what one can do as a family, as a neighbor, maybe as a company, as an employer, an employee and maybe even as a country. So just your thoughts on that. About we being ready to go kind of generation, well that's one thing we must change I think right now. See we are meeting over these screens and definitely it's not the same as we think. But suppose we wanted to do this six months ago, all of us would have taken a flight to some place that's meeting is and we would all be there and doing the same thing. Well today we are doing it on the screen. This is one thing that we must get used to I think because air travel is one of the main reasons why it's gone across the world so quickly. Let us say 100-200 years ago if the same virus had come in one, probably 10-25-50 people would have died there and that would be the end of it. Nobody would have heard about it any more than that. But today because of rapid travel possibilities that we have within a matter of 30-40 days it's just gone across the world. So this is one thing we must contain because WHO is now saying this is a generational thing. This virus may live with us in this entire generation. It's not going to go away. Hope that is not true but that is one of the predictions they are making about what we can do spiritually. Let us understand this much. All human experience is caused from within us. Pain and pleasure happens from within us. Joy and misery happens from within us. Agony and ecstasy happens from within us. So every human experience, pleasant or unpleasant, only happens from within us. What happens from within us must happen the way we want it. What happens around us as you're experiencing now, not only now, always, what happens around us, whether it is family situation or business situation or larger national or international situations, none of them ever happened 100% the way you want it. They never can happen in the very nature of things because too many forces are involved in making up an external situation. But the internal situation within us, there is only one entity called myself. In the outside situation there are too many forces. Nobody ever gets that in a perfect manner. We can get it somewhere to our liking but not really absolutely. So having said that, now that outside situation is not going the way we would want it to go, isn't this the time that your inner situation must be absolutely the way you want it? Right now, most people's logic, I don't know what kind of logic is, most people's logic is when outside situations go wrong, they will also turn against themselves. Well, they will call this anxiety, they will call this fear, they will call this confusion, whatever. But essentially what's happened is every unpleasant experience within yourself essentially means your intelligence is turned against you. When the situation around you has turned against you, this is a time when your intelligence must stand 100% with you. But unfortunately most people allow their intelligence to turn against themselves when outside situations have turned against us. So this is a situation where whatever faculties you have, whatever intelligence you have, whatever capabilities you have, whatever experience you have, you will need every bit of it. This situation is going to demand the best out of you. At this time instead of functioning the best possible way that we can, our best may not still be good enough. That is the kind of situation we are in. When we are like this, you should not become an impediment to yourself. How can I do this? There are tools for this, tools are offered all the time. There are simple tools with which you can take charge of your body, your thought, your emotion. If your physical body, your thought, your emotion is happening the way you want it, you remaining peaceful, joyful is guaranteed for you. But our ability to handle the outside situation is subject to various realities and today we are in a reality that we have never been in. So we still do not even, we have not even grasped the reality. What is its full, you know, full dimension of what it is? We know it in bits and pieces, so we are trying to deal with it in bits and pieces. Probably the nature and the seriousness of what it is will come home in the next two to three months to all of us. So we must be prepared for it. Preparing for it means the most important thing is you, your intelligence should not turn against you because your ability to function well in the world is largely determined by how balanced you are within yourself. If you have no balance, your own intelligence will turn against you. Everything that you have, all your faculties will become your enemies if the necessary balance is not there. To bring this balance, there are many tools. We have offered this free of cost to people all over the world right now for all the medical personnel, even the inner engineering program is being offered free of cost because the idea is when this challenging situation is there, the kind of challenge as a generation we have not seen till now. At this time it's most important that our faculties, our intelligence works for us, not against us. Thank you, Satguru. Thank you. That was amazing, Satguru, what you gave those answers. In fact, the other day I was telling my kids, you know, let's look at this when you come out of the lockdown, make sure you don't have regrets that you wasted that time. If there's something that you would have got out of it and like you said, it's in your control. And all of us are at different stages of that. But I loved your answer. Dhoom Joom Chatterjee is the group managing director and the head of human capital of feedback. She and her husband with this great company that does most of the infra projects in India, the great ones are managed, including the metro rails and all are by Dhoom Joom's company. She's also the senior national co-chair for CSR. Dhoom Joom, please go ahead. Thank you, Shogma. Namaskar, Satguru. I think the situation that we are in now we are all experiencing is unprecedented to a doubt. It's also a disruption in many ways, home, family, business, work. We spoke about lives, livelihoods, all of that. And in my mind, what I'm experiencing right now is a little bit of a dichotomy and a little bit of disquiet, which is what I want to share with you. On the one hand, I see that the current situation of many of us working from home, etc. It has brought about lots of benefits. We are breathing cleaner air. There is no amount of rushing around. We are all much calmer. We are spending more time with family. We are able to embrace technology and work from home very productively. So there are lots of pluses. But there are also what I see as huge challenges that one can see in terms of disruption in business life, in survival economically, lots of job losses, anxiety on health issues, livelihoods. And one is left with the thing on saying while I'm feeling calmer, what can I do to help others who are facing that challenge? Lockdown doesn't permit that. So what are the ways in which we can do that? And at a national level, I also believe that out of this kind of huge pain, there will come, like you rightly said about embracing innovation is also an opportunity built into what we can gain for ourselves as a nation. So I'd like to hear your views on that, Sadhguru. Well, Namaskaram. Well, how much pain we will go through depends on the nature of activity we are performing right now. For some people it may turn out to be an advantage because working from home is a great thing. But let's say you got onto an airplane to fly somewhere and your pilot say calls, comes on the microphone and says, today I'm working from home. So there are many people who have to get out and even if they get out, there's nothing to do because there are many, many issues as all of you know, even better than me about this. About the psychological issues that we are creating for ourselves, this is what I was, you know, trying to elaborate in the previous question also. See, we are mistaking our psychological reality for existential reality. What is happening in my mind or your mind is our psychological drama. We should never misunderstand our psychological drama for a reality. Now there is a reality which is demanding for you to come out with your best. At this time, if you create a negative drama in your head and think that is a reality, see right now people, when we say people are anxious or fearful, what this means is, can I take a few minutes to answer this question? See, the two greatest faculties that human beings have compared to other creatures on the planet, which no other creature has is, we have a very vivid sense of memory and a fantastic sense of imagination. This is what most human beings unfortunately are suffering. What they are suffering is, they are suffering evolution. If they were made, if they had the brain of an earthworm, they would all be very peaceful. Right now, what anxiety and fear means is, you will cause suffering to you in anticipation of suffering. Anticipation of suffering that may never come to you. You don't even know whether it'll come or not. So what is happening is your imagination is running away. Just look at the way people suffer, what they suffer. Most people do not have much physical suffering unless there is an injury or ailment or you know now it may go into starvation and things physical suffering is a different matter. But 99% or at least 95% of human suffering is mental. That means it's on self-help. Your suffering is essentially on self-help more. Nobody is causing it to you except yourself. This is simply because we have not taken charge of our memory and our imagination. We do not know how to use our memory. We do not know how to use our imagination. What happened ten years ago, people are still suffering. What may happen day after tomorrow, they're already suffering. So what happened ten years ago does not exist right now. But people are suffering. Something that does not exist. What may happen day after tomorrow does not exist right now. But people are already suffering that which does not exist. If you suffer that which does not exist, it's a clear case, it's a medical case you know. But unfortunately maximum number of people are in that condition so that is being termed as normal. Even doctors have started saying anxiety is a normal thing. When did this happen? When did anxiety become a normal thing? It is only in this generation that we are saying anxiety is a normal thing. Anxiety is not a normal thing. Anxiety means you are mistaking your psychological drama to be a reality. So this much control we must take charge of, especially all of you who are in leadership positions where how you think, feel and act is going to make or break a million people's lives when you have such a privilege in your hands. You should not allow your psychological drama to overtake the realities in which you exist. Thank you. Thank you so much for spending time. I have four more very interesting people who are dying to ask you questions. The next one is Piroz Kambata. Piroz lives in Ahmedabad and he's chairman and managing director of RASNA. Everyone's heard of that company but he's also on the CI national task force of ease of doing business and the CI business and disability network. So Piroz will you go ahead please. Good afternoon sir. It's a great privilege and honor and I have always seen you on television and it is I think my all CI membership value for money has been realized today that I am with front of you today. We are still on the screen only. We are still on the screen. Yeah and coming I think honestly speaking I heard the word pain so many times from you that I was a little bit surprised because generally I find you very positive and I have been I am video calls with all my staff almost 3,000 people groups of them and what I told them is that only way out to win this is to find new ways otherwise we will get it to anxiety diffusion and luckily all my plans have started and about we have done a lot of safe distancing around offices are operating a little bit people are coming people are going in the market also depot they have started and we are looking at it very positively. So what I would like to hear from you is that see I honestly do I'm not thinking it will go long we'll get a vaccine we'll get a cure so I would want to know from your thought what are the positive messages out of it for work and for family life also because I think we have also learned a lot of speakers have talked about it how to really live our lives how to redefine our lives so one thing I like to get some positive message out of you one two you definitely mentioned in which I have been mentioning like I am not turning abroad though I travel twice in a month from let us say middle of February I stopped but I don't you think as sort of I know you said too many times a lot of external things which are beyond our control but we are all let us say businessmen are to an extent privileged that we as a group can can really ensure that our voices are heard don't you think as businessmen we have not made that possible we could have probably made our voices more heard for various things including let us say simple thing like stopping flights early or getting a package economic revival package most of the MSMEs in India are going to still struggle there was a package promised 21 days back no package actually has come which will put money in the pocket of the people who are not getting salaries so as a group of industrialists what we are not doing so that we can collectively work with the decision makers because this cannot be only left to the governments or some medicinal people we all civil society people are to work towards my second question is that and third I am thinking of an online petition which I am going to probably file where we say that even if the work country starts no international flights should land in India for next three months or four months because the main problem is coming as you rightly said three times is from the flights which are coming from abroad so even if we get to the order there are enough people who are going to come up so these are my three bits of questions well there is a distinction between pain and suffering pain is caused to us because of situations around us whether we will make that into suffering or into transformation is left to us pain will definitely come our way no question in so many different ways but will we bring transformation out of this or will we simply sit and suffer when something painful come to us when certain things happen in our life either we can become wounded or we can become wise I hope everybody every one of you will become wise not wounded by this situation but are they are going to be upheavals and and as I said painful decisions to make all this definitely it will be there nobody can escape this I am not see I am not in the usual mode of am I am I an optimist or a pessimist all I am saying is this is a difficult situation there is no question the pain may not be personally to you but when you have to make decisions which are not good for other people it's very painful and you may have to definitely do that not every industry will be able to bounce back like what you are saying about yourself so having said that about government policy and what industry can do see this is a very important thing we are a democratic nation what a democratic nation means is the lifespan of a political administration is only five years so when it's only five years no matter what they do inevitably in the very nature of things because it's a question of existence they will always have an eye on the election also yet now I think the government of India and most of the states I would say almost every state has done a fantastic job of doing whatever they had to do I have to say this to you in Tamil Nadu I am saying here whether it's the bureaucrats the police the ministers exemplary work if only if you can function like this for another five years as a nation will be something else we will be completely a transformed nation if we can really function like this all the time I hope this culture comes into our lives permanently because they are doing a fantastic job I called everybody who's concerned and congratulated them because they are doing exemplary work so having said that we're talking about an economic package definitely it's needed without pumping in a certain amount of liquidity into the I don't know the economic engine there is no way this is going to start and go I'm sure the the administration is very much aware of this but how much is enough nobody knows all right always resources are minimal and there are there is a segment of population in India if you don't pump money into their hands they will sink below poverty line and big suffering will happen and there's a segment of population which drives the economic engine like all of you if there is no money in your hands in a roundabout way we will push a whole lot of people into poverty once again so this is a hard decision to make for the government but at the same time there are there are many forces in the country who are still in the socialistic mindset we took a decision to go the market economy way every time you take a forward step a whole lot of people want to take a backward step when I say backward it's in a different direction that's all I'm not saying going in reverse direction is a bad thing but if that's the way we want to consciously go we want to go forward but we go backwards we talk about market economy if we start doing well then we say rich are getting richer let us do this let us do that so this is there for any any kind of money the government puts into the hands of business and industry so that economic engine starts there is a whole lot of opposition to this and they will say this is a pro rich government so government will try to adjust that and try to distribute it somewhere else and somewhere else this dilution is going to be bad for this country so it's very important every one of you individually and as an organization as CII you must speak clearly when somebody says something that is negative to the firing of the economic engine in this country no matter who they are you must announce them this is very important believe me a democratically elected government is not a free government always they're depending upon people's opinion what people are thinking about us now somebody does a campaign in social media this is a pro rich government they've given so much money to these corporations they're robbing the poor this that this is a time when you people must stand up and speak till now unfortunately I have not seen such a stand from the industry this is one reason where a very pro business prime minister is playing a little slowly simply because he knows people are not standing up for pro business investments and there is no way there is no way this nation will move forward if we are not pro business we have to be pro business a nation does not go forward because of political rhetoric a nation does not even go forward because of its military muscle today a nation can only go forward because the success of its businesses so this is something that is very clear in the present administration's mind as far as I know and it is very important that every one of us when negative statements which are pro whenever a pro business step is taken a whole negative campaign happens in the country that is the time industrial leaders business leaders must stand up and clearly say this is not it the only way you can bring poor out of their poverty is not by distributing money but by having successful flourishing businesses in this country what a lovely answer but you know for so long we've been we've been slammed and told that you know that you guys are you know your your taking advantage of people and there and there's such a trust deficit that that we could never speak out sathuru so it's brilliant that you actually brought out this point I'm you know and we can debate about this for a long time and even the challenge of how was the lives to livelihoods decision right one but all these are things we have actually the co-chairman of the agricultural council and he's also the joint managing director of bluestar so so so could you please ask your question Swamiji Namaskar I fondly remember my February 21 I spent over the television the full night watching the celebrations at your ashram I think next year it is somewhere in March 11th or something if I remember correctly how do you visualize March 11 celebrations it is the largest congregation I have ever seen that is the first question the second question is we are all suffering say living in cities such as Mumbai do you think there will be a shift to live in rural places towns and if it is so do you think what it will do to the rural economy specifically the agriculture whether corporates have a larger role to play and if so what we should ask the government right now in this country it is estimated that in the next in the coming decade this is this is these estimates are before the virus okay in the coming decade it was estimated that 220 million people will move to the urban centers in India in the rest of the world 1.6 billion people will move from their traditional habitats and try to move elsewhere 1.6 billion people migration migration is a very painful thing when people leave the land that they know and the habitat that they know and move to a new place particularly cities as you see in Mumbai all these slums these are all people at one time they had a dignified existence in some village maybe they did not have money maybe today they are wearing some branded at least a duplicate branded jeans and shoes and this and that and they go into the cinema and whatever else they may have little cash in their hands but they had a dignified existence in the village that has gone the amount of suffering that particularly women and children go through when people migrate and above all which city in the country is really capable of handling 220 million people migrating into cities after all it's a question of five to six cities taking this much population as it is most of the Indian cities are practically becoming unlivable you just can't go from one place to another as a beautiful city like Bangalore you just can't go from anywhere to anywhere literally any time of the day or night it's it's almost like that so having said these things if we do not in some way spread our investments and our business opportunities to rural India well it's a very impractical development it is very lopsided development even now 60% of the population is involved in agriculture that's where the potential is where the people are that's where the business is well right now they are they don't have the economic power so we are concentrating everything in a few cities because it's easy to do that this is definitely the best time to think of how to spread our businesses in such a way we innovate to see how to serve these people how to empower them to make more money and it is more economy itself should be more spread out right now India's economy is sitting on a very narrow stool very very narrow stool it's not a safe way to sit for 1.4 billion people this kind of population it's not a safe way to build the economy it's on a very very narrow platform it has to spread and the only way you can spread is take it to rural India in some way there are many many opportunities how the present businesses can build their facilities in rural India train people it's much more difficult I understand because to get talent in rural India to train people it takes much more but if you do this now it will be far more resilient if let's say another 10 years later another virus or another nonsense something comes our way we will be able to sail through those things much more much better if our footing is much much larger than the way it is right now it is right now too narrow it needs to spread like that and so that we are sitting on a more stable platform there is no other way to do it other than involving maximum number of people see today if we say business industry one big thing that comes up always is the IT well it's in a very important part of our national development IT information technology but the percentage of population involved in this is very small agriculture and allied industry is a major possibility unfortunately we're destroying our land our soil is being destroyed very rapidly it's very important that corporate should get into it this does not mean you have to do agriculture directly right now we've been pushing for what is called as the farmer produces organizations we have one of the best run farmer produces organizations in the country right here run by us and we have increased their their incomes have gone up in the last four years by about 300 percent three times over and wherever we brought in agroforestry their incomes have gone up by 300 to 800 percent in seven years time so this is where the possibility is how to harness this produce as a nation we have a latitudinal spread and climatic conditions where if we harness this capability when I say this capability see right now India is the only nation in the world where 60 percent of the population still know how to perform this magic of transforming mud into food it's not a simple thing you may be highly educated try to grow and crop and see you will see what a failure it will be we are transforming mud into food with just traditional knowledge 60 percent of the people are still capable of this for the latitudinal spread that we have in the nation and the climatic conditions we have we can grow food 12 months of the year this is a good time in the next five to 10 years if we establish India as the bread basket basket of the world because we have the soil we have the climatic conditions we have the latitudinal spread and we have 60 percent of the population who are naturally talented in this dimension industry must definitely explore this well many policies in the other nations will have to change but we can always pitch with the government to pressurize other nations to import India's food and very many things but definitely we can supply this food at a much lower price than the way they are consuming it right now especially with the economic hit that they are taking right now all the western countries let's say we take United States as an example a kilogram of potatoes in United States costs anywhere between four to five dollars minimum five dollars is 350 rupees or more right now it's almost nearly 400 rupees I think anyway 350 rupees in India farmer is getting four to six rupees for his one kilogram of potato 50 percent to take away for the businesses which export and send and everything even if it's 175 or even if it's 100 rupees farmer will get 25 rupees per kilogram the country will change believe me absolutely change we need to focus on this that's where the people are that's where the land is that's where India's wealth is but we have not harnessed it thank you sir guru and you've been such a champion of the land and you've done for it including you know the river project and kave calling all stunning and and we do believe that he's made us wake up to some of this we have only two more and then after that uttu is going to close but I'd like Vaishali Sinha to speak Vaishali you know I have started this sustainability clean energy company she's actually the co-chairperson of the Indian movement network and she's a great champion of women and women empowerment Vaishali I recently met her Vaishali how are you doing? Namaskaram sir guru pleasure to meet you again and have a privilege of meeting you on two occasions in person and more recently than in our first time on screen so that's the first but I wanted you know invaluable conversation which is going on I just wanted to bring attention to the fact that you know we are working in a global village now where you know traveling around the world and solving global problems of the world happens collaborating yeah can you hear me? yeah so you know we're all coming together and collaborating to be solving problems of climate and other issues technology when we come together as nations however in the time of this pandemic you know we have seen that countries and nations and leaders are becoming more inward they're talking more about my nation first and that is the mentality which is brewing in the world so you know some wisdom from you on that? About nations at one time we thought it's all a global village and now the virus has spread the way it has spread with the ease with which it has spread I'm sure the borders are going to get a little tightened up and we must understand this is the nature of democratic leadership because for democratic politically elected leaders election is a survival issue it is not it is not just another test it's a survival issue if you lose the election you're gone so when this kind of crisis come they have to stand up for their people so naturally all this bigger talk about the union of nations and global village all this will be thrown to the winds everybody will talk about their nation people are even right now predicting the European Union may kind of come apart because people are unhappy with what's happening there everybody is trying to protect their own nation because these are the compulsions of an elected government because their lifespan is only four to five years they have to protect that because it's their survival issue and this is the nature of democratic process so naturally this global village thing it is not that it's going to go away but as you said you know we will do more global village business on the screen people traveling across doing across doing businesses across many ways restrictions will come because everybody will try to show up there because everybody thought it's perfectly okay for China to do all the manufacturing we'll do the business I think that model is going to definitely change sir guru you're such a you're giving us so much business gyan also love it but I cannot close it and hand it over to mutu till I got a call from ci and it was pointed out that we are not the demographic it's the youth so we have our ci i the head of yi there and I'd like him to ask a question and then of course mutu please close or or Karthik may be an observation so thank you shobha namaskara sadhuji and thank you for giving me this opportunity however being the delay as young Indians we work a lot with the youth and we want to embrace the situation with positivity and making we want to make this a new normal sadhuji how do we influence the youth of India to take pride in the Indian brands and promote so they see try and improve our rural and urban social socioeconomic situation so if you want so they see to become a brand by itself which it should become because culturally we are such a rich nation and an ancient nation that way but we have thrown away all of our brands and trying to adopt everything that is western I'm not saying we should not do western things but we should not completely sell ourselves that is definitely not the way because we are never going to compete in their arena we must build ourselves in such a way that we are we are where we are strong what is the strength of our foundation on that we must build buildings on our foundation not on somebody else's foundation because we don't really have that foundation first and foremost think this may irritate a lot of people but let me tell you this see somebody was talking to me I was talking to a small group of people who are all in the boards of various top companies in the country and also in many parts of the world so I said see one simple thing is this when we say you're a CEO or you are managing as you're a board member or a you know essentially you're managing a big business this is all public money public has invested money so we believe that why people give their money to you is because we believe you are smarter than us you are more sensible than us but on that day we were in Mumbai and I said when the temperatures are 38 degrees all you guys are in ties suit jacket this doesn't make sense to me in 38 degrees why are you wearing suits no we had a board meeting what if it's a board meeting in kurta your brains won't work is it why and the temperatures are 38 degrees you wear a jacket and come out I will not see you as a sensible human being and I will not put my money in your hands for sure so I'm saying if you if you want to change the brand of India please relax these things why are we just doing what the British did British tied up things because their weather is like that we don't have to think only if you put on these things you have an authority you will look smart or you will brains will work no you you have to understand this especially now post virus if we do not reinvent India for what it is there's enormous amount of culture from which we can build a thousand businesses upon it if you want we can have a long session on this sometime because you know I've been speaking about this on variety of things how India's culture itself is a tremendous business if we know how to translate this into a business opportunity so first thing is if you take away this rule in all the board rooms everybody must have a jacket and tie maybe if you breathe little more freely without the tie everything may work better it may become more innovative and we use less energy to sub guru thank you yes I'm going to sign off just to say that it's a pleasure and and such an honor to have to have been with you in this hour of need and this hour of truth you know challenges so we'll be more of the solution with this but first thing I won't go to Madras and I hope we can get over this quickly but I'm handing over to Muthu Muthuraman of course is one of our past presidents he knows you so well to all yours. Namaskaram Satguru. Namaskaram. It's always a pleasure to listen. Namaskaram. Thank you for a highly motivating and energizing speech and thank you for the wonderful ideas that you're given to CIA and its membership. There is of course no doubt that coronavirus is a very very big threat to humanity and to India but as you rightly said it is also a great opportunity for India and many happenings around the world indicate that we are moving towards a new rebalanced world in terms of economic power and social well-being. Tomorrow's world the picking order will be very different from what it is today and what it has been over the last 25-50 years. Given India's inherent strengths and the work we have done since 1991 and our philosophy of universal citizenship India is in an excellent position to grab this opportunity and accelerates its journey but of course the next six months will be particularly challenging for economy. In spite of all the good intentions industry has absolutely the right intention but in spite of all the good intentions there could be a layoffs, there could be job losses, there could be pain and one possible way to mitigate this pain and to keep the morale of these highly innovative people high is to give our human resources, get our human resources engaged in some nationally important projects. It could be education at all levels like for example we need to change the curriculum primary schools, secondary schools, college, management education techniques and the whole lot of it. It could be sustainable development. You talked about spreading businesses geographically it's going to take a lot of thinking. So why don't we engage the population that is otherwise dissipating its energy at home into some useful purposes which can be again done from home into thinking about the new India and of course such a thing will call for an all India platform, a national platform an organization like CII and Isha Foundation and a couple of other organizations in India are best suited to come together and create this national platform for the rethinking of India. Once again Satguru on behalf of CII I would like to sincerely thank you for energizing us with your wonderful session. I can assure you we will all at CII you want to be part of this solution and Namaskaram. Once again see you Satguru. Namaskaram to all of you and I'm sorry those technical glitches in the beginning and in whichever way we can be of service if it's important for the nation I'm always available please you can cover me for whatever is here. Thank you.