 are you here for that? Well, I was here for something else but as long as I'm here I mentioned the concern I had about my driveway I've repaired it the town couldn't do anything for me at the time but the town's responsible for the drainage about 38 is the driving staging, inspecting all what I should do and I've been in trouble to take care of the problem I was looking forward to some remonstration of the town because I was responsible I spoke to Ray about it I don't want to go through the road connection so I didn't bring it up as I'm here When did you speak to Martin on that, Johnny? It was last year, he came and looked and said he couldn't do anything and I had a problem with the driveway trying to work out my driveway So what are you looking for? Or what would you like from the town? I would have a consideration for the expense I went through to take care of the situation and anything or nothing, whatever Alright, we'll get together with Ray and Martin and take a look at it and if there's something we can do for you, we will Is that alright? Here we go with that Excuse me Any other general public comments? I just wanted to update you guys Week before last I went to ACO training for animal control officers at BLCD and passive put-on It sounds like there is a replicate to get set up for running on municipal time I want to ask brother of passive to see what in our movement would need to change to get set up with that I hear that there's approval to talk to passive about that and figure out what steps we would need to take to make the changes necessary to start being able to write municipal fines and update the ordinance a little bit that's been several years anyways I would be in favor of that so that the fines that we have have a little teeth in them right now they don't People can basically do it more than they want to So once you go ahead and move into that if there are ones who are real in line this isn't head and shit good I wanted to check with you guys before I reached out to passive and in that meeting they were discussing fines typically in the state start up $100 then go to two and then $300 it's like they're going great if you will there would be some setting up in the state for our contact person as far as getting the ticket books and getting everything going Once you go ahead and look into that and when you think of going back let us know we're on the agenda so it's on the agenda item rather than just coming in so that way it's going properly but very good thanks any other updates some things are going good as far as the fire department goes we got the packs and we got a chance to use them let's do that well use them in training so we're familiar with them hopefully never and they work it well as promised absolutely everything worked really well with them and they seem like they'll last for 15 years so everything seems good with them and as far as the road department everything's good there we'll be doing some work tomorrow and Wednesday on the comments so it'll be closed for so now are you going to work so everyone knows step on her is MCM was that what you said last week and you're waiting to work yes so they didn't give me restrictions they just said don't exhaust yourself I'm still able to do my job as a general statement I'm just more careful doing it okay well we'll certainly be careful and I've been a sign of exhaustion or are you feeling like it's hurt or anything like that take off absolutely I'm just planning by day and taking it easy I have an appointment to start physical therapy but it's a few weeks out because however busy everything is okay well taking it easy and you know if it's something that hurts me Mark tell me just let him know we'll find something different your health is most important but we appreciate taking work in the future I just have a quick question I haven't looked but did you were you able to get the sign from Dick I hope it's he'll be delivering it tomorrow and we'll be able to get it up at the fire station together so now I wonder where the fire station is the fire station will not be lost exactly it will be found alright so let's go ahead and move on is Mr. Tenorsett here alright sir would you like to maybe move into the center or near somewhere and roll in if you want or how would you like to do it we're pretty flexible here so we can all see and hear you so Mr. Simmons here you got a question regarding the county mountain road with 100B I did notice last week or at some point in the last couple weeks there was a front porch forum discussion about this so I do share thank you welcome to town I appreciate that thank you very much that's a center fit center fit it's a ten meters of confusion every time so I've got the point see our echo in the number we're going to blame this on Sasha because we're still not I'm new to town and also new being a room like this and a select board I play my daughter for all of it she's 11 months old and will be one year old in August and so in so many aspects of my life I find myself more conscientious and responsible careful than I have been before so when I come to an intersection now I've got a whole new perspective thinking I'm making a turn with that one in the fire so that's what brought it up so I just thought I'd humbly start asking about it and I put in a call to a road highway department a number I found was maybe in the room I suppose probably Martin Cameron he's our road foreman they suggested that the stature of the road was one that would have to go through the select board so I called and got an appointment here to the agenda and I thought I could also do that idea to use the front porch floor so I shot I got 12 or 15 replies to that most all of them saying that they thought it would be a very good idea one of them said that they would prefer for more time to stay the way it is but on the whole the vast majority of citizens' responses agreed that they liked the idea a lot for whatever that work what pretty unofficial primary front porch floor oh I did read it last week so what was posted absolutely the whole purpose of my my visit the suggestion was about putting a mirror at the intersection where North Town Road comes down just past the gas station it's a pretty perilous stop sign again with but the trouble I felt with it is that I can't see very far at all to the left even though the roads actually angled a little bit towards the south the nature of the hill and the way the road occurs I think that I can see between 50 and 100 feet over there and I think that if anybody were coming through town at better than the stop better than the speed limit they might not have time to react in a safe way to somebody that was making a careful turn and whether you're making a left or right there you've got to spend a little bit of careful time maneuvering your vehicle since you are coming down from that hill so the suggestion or inquiry I wanted to bring to mind was whether a mirror on the opposite side of the road could be put into place one of those compact mirrors so that you could look across and say oh yeah it's definitely clear all the way to the gas station and feel that much more confident when you're making a turn so I put out on the front porch the thought whether anybody thought that was a good idea and whether there were any history or other concerns about it and that was where the responses came from it was a bunch of emails to me some of them said they'd be happy to share their names at least one person said they'd be happy to join me here but I certainly wasn't thinking about it as anything official along the lines of a petition or anything a couple of responses mentioned from maybe a former select board member that because it's a steep road it might need to go through the V-tran I left a voicemail with them to see if they might call me back and I don't know if that's the case and if that were the case another response suggested that maybe they would wait for grim statistics to accrue better than they have which is great that there's not no history there what is it? since I've been on this board I think it's probably around seven or eight years and it's come up every couple of years and that's something that's come up and so it's been looked into pretty extensively so the state did do a traffic study there was done a couple of traffic studies and there hasn't been any accidents really there we were looking at putting a light in doing different things and the state has really taken a kind of an eye and said we're not seeing any problems here there used to be a big pine tree there I don't know if you remember the big pine that was there if you would close that we'll give you a last year's we'll give you a last year's town report and it talks about the big pine there in fact there will be a picture of it there so you'll learn about the big pine in fact John can probably tell you John comes down that road often in fact after our last step board meaning he shared a conversation with me why don't you go ahead and talk about it there was a very large pine tree there people all thought that because of the pine tree that it was bad it's actually worse now because people don't before they had to inch out a little bit to see past the pine tree but now you don't have to because the pine is no longer there but all of a sudden most cars come from the south are right there you look to the right because it's so difficult first of all to turn to look to the right and I mean you have to take a look at the left again and the right again and the left again it's really really tough to pull out there unfortunately we've tried everything there and when we paved the hill we tried to get the state to to change the whole intersection it wouldn't do that they did some upgrade in here they I mean we hired an engineer yeah around 2018 yeah we did change the grade somewhat fixed the drainage and added some better garnering just about everything but other than straightening it involved moving power poles and it was just more than the state was going to do and that's why they did that traffic stuff and look back in the records and then the other thing is the mirror that because it is in the state right away they won't allow that either so we've tried we've tried everything they won't allow the we won't allow the mirror in the state right away it would be one thing if it were just town road but because it's state highway they don't allow it I have no idea about these things so it was definitely a humble inquiry and just wanted to see if I could get myself into a little bit of the town conversation about safety basic concerns so they've never allowed to be in a mirror on a state road I don't think that's the case the response we've got here again because they're looking at it is there's no problem what we can do though I think we have someone that represents us as a regional it's I don't know if that actually stands for but it is dealing with the roads in the earnings of Joyce Manchester we'll reach out to her and have her after the next meeting which I think they have a quarterly inquire about that she's real good she works actually in the state house so she knows how to ask the questions and get at least a solid answer for us we'll just get to our list yeah and we are working on with Joyce and John and I and the committee are looking into some traffic county scenarios for the village from all the way up to me traffic all the way up to us besides the speed bumps not speed bumps but just looking at some strategies to how we can slow people down that's almost the bigger problem I would alleviate a lot of your problem people weren't coming so fast I mean that's people were going the speed limit were a little bit less I don't think you would have so much of an issue but most people were going 40 to 50 and so that window there is a lot shorter and I wouldn't have been lucky we haven't had any kind of problems there but I think looking into it it certainly cannot hurt so I appreciate you taking the time to bring it up to us and if there's anything that we can do we'll let you know or if there's anything else that you can do for us as far as sometimes these committees ask for people's experiences so that comes after we will reach out to you but you can also follow up with us you know in a month or so to see if we've heard anything but we'll try to keep you informed and I really appreciate the time consideration of the job I know Johnny you had a comment or question I didn't get to you did you want to add you know that to what our friend has said we know that juncture how do you become any 50 years I've been coming out there 30 years I always go 40 years lifetime member of the fire department and the annuals department and I don't know the numbers but if we ask at one time how many accidents have been there staff can back me up on this there hasn't been an accident there that's not to say there could be one tomorrow there could be one tomorrow but we're used to it they used to be a giant pine tree there as Johnny said it was better when the pine tree was there but we managed when the snowbags are there it's a nightmare as well and there's issues with that junction and this has been stated we've looked into but it's a massive job to chase that juncture has been like that forever and it seems to be too difficult and I don't know if there's anyone's way to check with the AIT to see any amount of accidents again we looked at I'm going to say within the last two years we've requested a study and I'm sure we have it and there's just there's nothing that's I don't think I've seen 15 years of that on the fire department I've never been there for I've not been there for 30 years and Kim did say that don't know I'm a little bit too far one time and he was worried and he backed up and backed into it but that was the reaction I don't know I don't know remember the night in the early morning at like five in the morning we were headed to St. John and we just slid all the way over to the cloud and it happened yeah we were going to the junction you should just be careful I'm going down there with a red light and I have a special technique how to pull out that I'm going to tell you in the same way if you turn left you see the carriage where I even look to the right I see the carriage where on the left is clear I turn left on the wrong side of the road this is with a red light and as soon as I turn I can see that it's coming but if any worse would be coming I'm going to tell you five thousand times and two thousand times and I appreciate it and I appreciate it who's going to make stress with the mirror at the junction I've never seen one workbook I've seen a lot of people's driveways I think I would caution me about having a mirror there people start cheating at that point I don't see any lights coming off the mirror I don't see any things so they're not stopping or slowing but let's look into it the state may have some good reasons or some good explanations why it would or would not work at the very least it's been interesting to bring the conversation up and meet the room and the governmental machinations and towns here and so on so I appreciate the consideration keeps the storm away that's good well thanks for coming down and you're welcome to stay it is getting on to bed time so we've got to get back up to that baby yep thank you very much welcome to my town welcome to bring your family to Morfest it's a 10 or 25th keep an eye out excellent sign on the door shoes and whatever you require it's got a beach it's not a beach it's been like that it's been like that as long as I've known they even let him in the more town store like that alright Mr. Plotto how are you doing? I'm welcome so why don't you share a little bit about why you're here today? I met here at your invitation alright so we were asking you because we don't have any listers or lack of listers at this point we had someone that was going to be in tonight and now he's got a conflict so it doesn't look like that's going to work out either and so we are in need of some advice and perhaps your services I know Cheryl reached out and shared and I've got some proposals but can you share or do you want to put public knowledge what is required and some of the things that you can do well the does the town have a charger? do you have a charger? yes so if I'm wrong so you need somebody that can sign a grade list right and right now you don't have anybody and I think because of the town charger you cannot just be done with a board of listers is that correct? so I think you have to have check with the LTC I think we have to have approval from town to position of an assessor so then assessor one person sort of member I can sign a grand list or James can sign a grand list under my guide and you would be legal right now you have to have at least two members of the board of listers typically be able to lodge a grand list legally so that's what your dilemma is and I know that I talked with Mike at length about this and he was needed to be done and so I was sort of forewarned about this coming ahead of time from a nimmer perspective we're not going to let you just squander around flounder we're not going to let that happen but establishing a position of an assessor or finding at least two new listers so I'm not sure if people hear anybody knocking on the door today to come and take that position and I suspect it has been true all the way around we see a lot of our positions in town but listers, arbiters those things are really difficult to get people to commit the time to because they're not full time jobs they take enough time they don't pay enough it really has got complicated somebody walking off the street can no longer do it and the other part of that is it's no longer a three month job with the way things are set up now it's literally a yearly job somebody has to be logged in to the grand list or to my V-tax at least monthly current use of withdrawals download questions, conversations about things you know we can put data online to solve that problem that can be take care of people coming in want to get information take care of that technically if those other things, let's say this one comes along has a hundred acres and I'm going to build a house we're going to give our kid five acres well that's a five acre current use withdrawal somebody from the sister has to sign off determine what the market value of that five acres is within 30 days so I know what happens to us in spring from I'm speaking from members' perspective now the HS-122s had not been completed I got correspondence from the state I know it all worked for me at one point Don and said that more town hadn't done any current use downloads and uploads for the season so all of a sudden they were coming to the end we thought we were going to be able to come in and just do our do this appraiser side of things they ended up being like 17 not simple transfers but difficult transfers to deal with they kind of got to look at the D kind of transfer so which is why we had an answering extension and one point I said we're not going to pull this off in three days this is a longer job more complicated more involved we're not going to do it wrong that was where they came up out in the spring I just told them to stop just get ourselves a week or two to catch our breath and get this taken care of correctly so we were able to do that but it kind of caught us off-guard with that so we would choose procrastination is difficult all the time so we would choose not to be delayed in doing that we'd rather be a little more formal I'm not blaming the listeners I'm just saying things got delayed from their part quite frankly I think that some of the things that come up with listing today they're over the heads of a lot of people they got jobs and I think you get it on the head where it's changed so much and that job is involved you really need to be an expert on it and it can really cost the town a lot of money maybe appraisals done correctly or missing deadlines so I know we've got there's some assessor and appraisal agreement but some things that we need to as an account I think decide which way we want to go and when we had and this is what Mike, if you guys remember Mike was here I don't know whether it was March or something like that March or April he let us know what was happening and his recommendation if I remember correctly was really to move on to a professional service like never because they just can't get the bodies or have the expertise to do it keep in mind that from my perspective I have a really large staff now but we are I get one or two phone calls or even as a week to do this I kid you not, a week and last week I had four four towns in a moment that couldn't find oysters so this is something that's happening all over the state you know we've got all the boomers and we've all worked our rear ends off for a long time and we're tired and you know so for a lot of people there was a good part time help the town out sort of endeavor and they're willing to do that they're quite free but I think we've driven the people away because it's gotten so difficult and complicated really, really and so from our perspective the thing that's difficult for me is that dealing with the day-to-day correspondence and the phone calls that come in we can't have somebody sitting here to deal with that and you can't afford it we have some towns they're much larger much bigger crazy issues but we'll have somebody in there four hours a week to pay us good money but they need that sort of presence you don't it doesn't make sense for a town in the size of more towns to have somebody to come in every week to deal with stuff because in some weeks there's just nothing to do so from my perspective I like to have situations for a town where they have somebody that can deal with the phone call that comes in that can produce a proper record card that has to have one put that information up online or and tell us if there is something that has to be dealt with within the next 30 days that's where it breaks down for us because you don't want somebody here every week to do nothing for us it's not efficient for our town so we would have someone monitoring that and say and we've got something here to come in and take a look at I would assign a couple of people to work here pull through for the town she did it by herself took it upon herself did everything right because you're on the cloud you can do things remotely which I love before I came over here so that's a good scenario your records are online now so the days are having somebody to come in and sit here and do stuff are just pretty much done that's something maybe in it as a group Sasha I'm glad you're here maybe this is something you're going to do maybe we can redirect some of that to do answering the calls you do some of the treasury work so you're familiar with the systems you know what we're wanting as a board so maybe that might be a person here we can talk about that later but think about that and then you as that contact because it's nice to have someone from town when they call to answer the phone so the Lister's office or wherever it happens to be sometimes it's a simple question that we can get right back to where they can do but as long as they've talked to someone that's half of the want there so everyone well you mentioned besides that part but you also mentioned that if we go to our company we have to change the process we have to get to a town both to have the town we definitely have we do have that in fact Mike had given us the but because it is an issue with the state I know we do need to get lower pool as something that we can do in March but there so we can and we have to look at it but we can go forward with with everything else and I think even sign off of the grant list that becomes a definitely until we have it so there is a process we can do it and I think we can convince people in the town to do you know if they don't and the people who are saying don't do it and let themselves in let them come and do the job doesn't be happy if three people showed up and had some intelligence and expertise or just some desire I would go forward with it so we have an agreement now with what we've been doing what additional services will be offered with this agreement here agreement is fine but what we are doing now the only difference would be I've always felt that if we got to an assessor position that there has to be a little higher fee for that there is just more responsibility and not that this is the sort right now we are sort of we have gone to an hourly rate instead of a fixed contract amount I think it serves the town a little better right now because you know what I mean sometimes you have a town and you think there is going to be a lot of work and news that it's not so the contract is still there and they get upset because you didn't put in 40 hours that you have to do so we've gone to this hourly rate what I will tell you I would like to push but never to do everything on a per parcel basis on a cost a different level for an assessor than there is for an appraiser I think they are different but and the requirements are different in terms of experience and certifications and things along those lines as well we haven't done that yet so right now we are still to this hourly rate where you are kind of using this as you need it if you pay this so that's what the agreement currently is but it does make the assumption that there will be listers to sign a grant list if we need we can attend the process so we need to get some of the we have one right now and Mike we need two so if we had to drag someone in and make them something that's right now should be doing is the sales verification process one might be taxed there's nobody that's doing that now for you guys in the state by the end of this month it's going to be saying where are your so now this is where this person will reach out to you and say so that's what I'm doing tonight so go ahead and get this verification whatever needs to be done it's part of the equalization process so if you're studying to publish in January if you'd like to have all the sales verified as the last people first like the sales verified and cleared up by the end of July so I would need to have and I will probably ask Cassandra or somebody to jump in at some point and start going through that process because I don't think you have anybody who's dealing with it please do that I think we're at the point where we're going to have to have do services and change our things so that you can sign off we'll go through that in March but between now and then we don't have to do anything like we said we don't want to we don't want to let you hang in we don't want you to it's awesome if you can take the town on as another client I think we are we're saying these requests now we're going to be for the time being we'll have Sasha touch one person here I know you've done a lot with Cheryl I don't want to keep adding on to Cheryl's responsibilities and I'll talk to them both to see what makes sense but yeah even this I have no idea what's do or what's not we'll find the easiest best working solution here in the office but we'll have you guys going forward so we're not missing deadlines or doing the appraisals did Sasha do she must have gotten in my VTACs log ins we talked about log ins she must already have this she probably has I'll check if you're all seated with this do you want to talk about the reappraisal I just think it's nice I could give you a full evening discussion about numbers if you like to find a statistician but I just wanted to sort of highlight some things that are happening not only to you but across the states I just finished seven reprisals this year and ten last year so we got a pretty handful of states a pretty handful of the markets doing it and also the assessment in the town of Melton so we're going to be able to get there as well so we have seven more coming up so between like almost 30 towns we're seeing what the markets doing and it's somewhat scary so you know I think that quite frankly select board sometimes get hung up on the COA kind of another appraisal I'm going to break your heart tonight because it's not very accurate and it's not the it's the fact that it's the way that it's done over three years period so this 2018 we'll cover sales back from 2015 so the one for 2020 the publication for 2020 was back sales back from 17 so that doesn't really reflect where you're at now I did the chart in the lower portion of the page to really understand what sales are doing you have to look at them by year without them being blended over three-year period so my favorite is to look at the aggregate because the aggregate is sort of a weighted average if you will in 2018 your aggregate was 95% so you were 5% below market value for 2018 and then you went down in 92 in 2019 and these are sales in April 1st 2020 to April 1st 2021 and that would down to 79% of market value so in those three years you've increased market value by 16% so I don't so anything after April 1st this year is not included in that number right so it's worse than you think so welcome to your own board with everybody else I'm looking at 15% of the year so your time is coming up I did the last year of the 2012 I'd better say this we're pretty well familiar because the real key is that your COD has not up until this actually got a break last year you're 18 and you're 16 so the average right now is 17% so when it gets at 20 or above the state has a big stick to keep in a closet and we get it out and come to the town of Moretown and say you're very appraisal so you're not scary yet but you're knocking on the door and it says COD number and that's what they use and that means 20% on average you're 20% off either side of your assessment up or down so it's a 40% swing it's pretty lenient to tell you the truth but it also means that you've lost equity in your grand list so if your common levels below 85% or above 115% that's one requirement and for COD's above 20% that's the other requirement you're not there yet your common levels you have one year before as we look at stuff next year I think we'll be having a conversation about that you'll be under orders from the state so you think you're 23 would have to appraise I think you could potentially go to orders but definitely by 23 unless the market just changes dramatically I think it might even happen for you next year don't think it usually happens every 10 years it just really just depends does it also depend on what the list is if they keep those values up when they're crazy in the loans they can't chase sales so somebody can get a place in for 200,000 themselves for 250 you can't really just do 50 it's just against the law the state will throw at your grand list they'll say you're chasing sales so you can't just kick it up what they want is they want that your common level workers again it's pretty lenient I think but it drops off in your sales each year so now your 17 sales are gone and your 18 sales are up you can see what's up there 95% so this year you're going to be okay but next year the 18th are going to drop off and you're left with the 19s and 20s and 20 lines so I think you got it what kind of expenses are there going to be for us what kind of expense is that going to be for us I I did a proposal for you just to see what it would cost if I was to do one today if you got it I didn't see the number on the list where is that that was 95,000 you know I'm trying to do things about $100 a month now but I will tell you this that I already have 3 probably 4 contracts for 2024 I'm that far out I'm booked out for 2023 4 I can't get any more accounts on to do re-praises so we're out for 2024 I have one proposal I got a month to sell a bill for 2025 so it's right here at your correct date so if our common level appraisal is up by 20% we just can't go through with chains 20% you cannot I'll tell you the world according to that alright I think every town should update every property value every year because now you're going to be in the same situation as I just ran into in three towns on set huge we'll make the papers in more time huge fluctuations in terms of increases and changes in value and Milton has been since 2006 and they did their last re-praise they're going to go up 30% 25 and 30% and they think that the old values mean something and so it's not that it's wrong it's hard to explain to people and they know it's here all the time they say it all the time my value went up 30% I didn't do anything to my house my new response is but the price of gold in 2006 was $600 and now it's $1800 an ounce gold hasn't changed a bit but still has gone up right so I think towns are way too long I think I had to do an interview with a reporter for men and just things to re-appraise same topics what about the significant increases in value I had to think way too long the perfect scenario in my opinion when we get a re-appraise done and see what the market's doing the five years are sort of cut off before the state will allow what you're talking about if you've had a recent appraisal in the last three to five years they will allow towns to do an update and I helped several towns to spring to do them because they had just finished three appraisals in the last 10 years and the market went out of hand and they were at late front properties and they were going skyrocketing so I did an update I had to do a needed quality study to convince the state to cover zero rearing with this that the date is okay and if the date is okay you can come back along and do an update on all new schedules all new length schedules depreciation, new cost tables the whole line of arms but they wouldn't let you go if you'd gone beyond five years to do one they wouldn't cover it so I'm here just planning to see that it's something you have to start thinking about you've done well you've done well since this 25 you've done well we've got to at least be thinking about it schedule it and I will tell you that there are fewer companies that are doing readout work now there's a couple of three other statements I'd like to get in the statement a little more but this is again according to Ed they haven't done very well here to tell you the truth there's maybe two or three other small companies that have denounced the stuff one of them would never work up here there's two of us in the area again when I first merged my company with NEMR after we got done in more town I'd also finished read braids with St. Alton City I worked my company in with NEMR and I brought with me two of my staff and now I have 18 people who work for me so that's how much demand has been for us and I can send it out to 2024 and I already have three or four towns it's back to our original conversation it's really gotten technical it's very complicated the state's making changes and how they handle their software we're going to be updating all of our software as well we hire two new programmers and we're starting to go through each model and update everything that we're doing so it is it's not great it's a big surge in the last year from the sales you know it has been although we haven't seen the impact I'd go for the school board because they were worried about increases in value so I told them I think it's true but this really started in 2019 when interest rates got really low if you look at the median sell prices from towns by year you'll actually find some that there are more sales in 2019 but the median sell prices will actually go a bit less because the interest rates got lower and people could get into the market that couldn't get in their path so they started buying properties when interest rates got down you know 4, 3 and 2 plus percent now post COVID it's a different group now the people that have money are coming in and paying cash to places and bidding up houses so that's a different group this thing really started in 2019 it's really going to start to happen well any other questions for Mr. Clark-Folkman we got a problem at least going forward here who know that you'll be a lot busier here in town and Sasha and I forgot something comes up just last now we've got a process so we're not missing anything that's the most important for us I'm not sure there's some kind of a check because I don't want to make sure that either Sasha or Cheryl in knows where to check, what to check, when to check I've got those procedures but I can get some help from you on that just when I'm missing anything then we can move forward thank you sir appreciate your time we appreciate it do we need to have a final assessment service? no, that's what we're already doing oh right there right, the only thing that's going to do really is the reimbursement the other thing is that was printed out so we all have an idea for that, Sasha are you comfortable taking on some of these added duties or something? certainly, Michael Brown said it's very willing to do some of that stuff so why don't we get him why don't we try to stuff a meeting between me, you, him and Cheryl in and then for anyone else we're going to join us we'll do that as well in the morning or evening or whatever and so we can get that down with that and it's willing don't do you guys all agree with that yeah, I appreciate it yeah, good stepping out of it yeah, we'll have to watch the last one maybe other I'll have Sasha send it out and make sure there's just two of us we'll have to warn it but we can too people are interested I agree that was good stuff from Ed tonight I think too yeah and as soon as we put a RFP out for appraisal services we should probably get that out as soon as possible so can we work on that if you wouldn't Cheryl in she'll know why he needs to be there for the appraisal because we have that bit for him but because it's over five thousand we need to go out for a bit I certainly hope that it comes in he seems like we're doing but we'll do that doesn't sound like there's very I don't know if there's any firms out there like you said the one that's in southern Vermont they might be one of their game in town but they have even some financing in there but we'll need to look at that figure out with some of you how we put that into the budget and the line item stuff well I think we can put them on here until we hear it before coming down here I didn't know if we could be appraisal but we'll just check real quick see if we get better it would almost seem like it would have to be if something like that an article like that happened it would get voted down on being up the creek without a tower so we've got seventy-seven thousand money on now so I don't know it's 95 or that so we can put that in the level we can do something with that that feels better so now any other questions before we move on no I think you did an excellent job you know talking about language yeah you know what I mean just throw numbers out there yeah no I you seem to be a real straight shooter knows his business and it's been very fair with the town we've gone with some short notice things you know sometimes companies who take advantage of you to get the bill and they never do that they're very good about the way they treat it so moving on we have the next thing on the agenda is the ampersand appeal for the state of Vermont everyone have that they may have seen some emails I don't remember alright so let me just refresh back from 2020 and if you were on the board of which we all sat on Bateman I guess if you remember ampersand and they were appealing their assessed value for 2020 it's on hydrogames we don't know assessed regardless they were appealing their assessed value for last year and this year as well it is now in court so by being in in court it allows us as a select board actually to get involved and actually make a decision here tonight otherwise my statute if it was just held up in Craigs area or into liquid tax we would not as a select board have or into liquid tax because it is we do so Ron Shemps has been working on this or working with King and King as well they are the attorney for ampersand and his what they want to do is they want to settle for 390,000 that would be the fair market value and that is something that their assessors came up with and I believe that the state has been working on that amount as well it just has not been in court so Ron suggests that we accept their offer in the letter so we don't know what's going on here my client in ampersand and more town and hydrogate will see this time they are appealing their assessed value for its more town property for the years 2020 and 2021 the 2020 appeal is pending for a state pressure the 2021 appeal has been considered to be decided by the more town solicitors who determined the fair market value of property on April 1st was 390,000 dollars further to my telephone conversation with Ron the client offers to settle the 2020 appeal by paying the tax of the 2020 tax rate on the fair market value of 390,000 together with interest through the day that payment is received in the attorney's fees of $100 as per lower or fees of state in full and complete satisfaction of the 2020 appeal and its 2020 tax obligations to the town that was their offer Ron Sheryl and I talked to her about it earlier just wanted a confirmation from her she has a lot of things that we should settle she feels it's the fair market value so that's for both years for both years so the solicitors came up with 390,000 for 2021 in 2020 it was around a million dollars if I recall since 1990 but it wasn't around a million and it was not looked at properly there was a lot of questions on whose responsibility and do I have to make sure they appeal and how should we appeal and that's why it's appealed to the courts now but I think our solicitors agree that that's what the property's value really it's true value 390,000 rather than the million and it didn't just change from 2020 to 2021 they felt there was reasons earlier than that that it had changed and we were going to use the tax rate more on 2020 so we'll get that money and the interest in the fees so I don't think there's any reason why not to because I think the state of praises will probably come back and I think that's where these guys are counted as we got there 390,000 but as I said it hasn't made it for the states process yet so is there a I'll make a motion to accept the 390,000 as fair market value for 2020 so we can settle that the appeal from 2020 we're out of seconds any further questions so then hopefully they will be paying taxes on time yes and they will also with the 2020 it includes the interest as well in any of the attorneys these so all in favor go right so the next thing we had up on the agenda was the list of positions that Bill McGill was coming in and he now has a conflict because he's possibly getting a new job I'm not seeing we're a little bit at this 7 o'clock Sam Rosenberg is he supposed to be coming why don't we just go ahead and Sasha what do you have for us for any reports of communications well was he thinking that we would just select him or do we want he would just come in the way I read it I thought we were just going to review it but maybe that's what he is yeah I thought it was going to be the emails anyways whatever does anyone know Sam at all no I had no problems with appointing him I actually tried to reach out to him on the weekend but I didn't just say hello well there's nothing going on with that committee between now and our next meeting so if there's miscommunication we'll ask someone else to meet yeah because he ran for the school board as well so I thought it was pretty cool that he wants to be involved he wasn't Jack's house right? no that's someone else I don't think so right that's Patrick yeah alright for someone who went in it doesn't matter anyways so anyways Sasha back to you with the reports of communications alright I've got that updated peak mechanical contract it's in there if you want to go ahead and sign that they will fix the light that the efficiency Vermont found to be correctly or not working right the furnace cleaning was twice a year so we fixed the wording from Joan's suggestion for the personnel policy that's in there as well that act 250 hearing would you like it handled as far as like a town event that you did with the insulating the window insulating training it's been a lie and the memorial out front here is meaning should I want to talk briefly to Mary Berkeley and she doesn't think it's part of the cemetery but she has been doing some asking around for some quotes and it definitely needs like cement underneath it it's about $2,500 is that the warm warm one right? so I don't know if you guys have the thoughts on that it's really not for the shears anything that our crew can do but possibly until we have a read to work with our crew you know to provide the equipment to move it out of the way or whenever it's a term like that might work can we just look at that last Jill imagine Jill was busy yeah and that was the memorial right here yeah and Sharon left for every do an expenditure report for you all so you're up to date on that thank you and then maybe Catherine had she replaced the fall on the main floor on the town hall and she said there's a set of lights on the stage that the fixture is broken only on one side it kind of works and she I guess she's looking for some direction on that and then she looked at the mold that I afforded onto you guys and she said she could treat it with bleach if you're good with that and also what would you like me to do to to get wet after that last week before I don't know continuous right I think we have to solve and then I don't know I would treat it with bleach right now is it something I mean that basement it's in the basement right that basement has been around since the thing about the basement guy maybe it wouldn't hurt to have him come and look at it because that's specifically what he does is basements to figure out even if he can figure out how to prevent that from coming in and potentially look out at the seeds and make it more of a viable spot for activities yeah I think we can get incorporated in here yeah I think it would be a good idea to start looking at that and the electrical thing I think we can use the middle section electric I think we can change their name now Lloyds yes whatever it is yeah also said something was going on with the door and out there Joe's I would ask him about that I would ask him about that I would ask him about that Johnny's somewhere to look at just look at the shoes you wouldn't we have to go to the booth yeah with no socks on the water will be steeper like you it's hotter than leather it's incredible oh good friend he's a character he's a good guy he's always very polite he's a matter of valley he's on he's a fire department he's a good man any else Sasha Mr. Ray I don't have anything I want to talk about in the whole business okay done no no I guess I'd be like Ray I'd be into all business coming very good well I guess I'll mention it now I did get an email from Chris Stevenson and he was wondering regarding Rick once again trees under the power line that goes to the town forest and I know that we talked about this back in October November and I don't have a chance to go back in a minute Sasha do you remember did you find anything I didn't get a chance to date further but I remember it too because when I called this guy from Green Mountain Power he said that he wasn't the person to talk to and and then I let Chris know and Chris called him back I guess and he got a different story when he called him back and the guy's name is Jared something and bottom line he said that you know they would not accept a direction from a committee would have to come from the select board so he was supposed to call this he was supposed to call the UR myself and he never did this guy Jared yeah and when I did talk to him directly he gave me a run around that he wasn't the right person so I think that we just need something official from this board to stop spraying you know they spray a roundup with all the vegetation just like they did on the common road under Carl's proper power lines and we've talked about this in the Clean Water Advisory Committee as well but this is not acceptable you know this stuff gets into the groundwater and everything else so and he says it's safe that we weren't well it's not so I would say that I don't mind calling the guy as long as I have the blessing from the select board are we going to ban it from all power lines in North County that would be nice the main reason for that is because the kids are out there and everything else I mean it's just not safe even though he says it is maybe you should come to one of my meetings or something I don't think he would I know so what's everyone's thoughts I mean obviously we know what John's thinking right my thought is if we're going to ban it under some we should try to ban it under all and there are other products that they can use more environmental definitely I mean it's rounded up is pretty effective it's cost effective that's the big part there there's a lot of things that are effective rounded up is cost effective and it really kills everything but where they can go in and spend labor either cut it or there are other products so Remount Power does a good job but they also they do quite well so I think they could afford to maybe spend a little bit more here in Moretown under their airlines and do it I want to go around the town I would say you know I don't think you know until it's ready you don't think about it you'll see some tree line and cutting stuff once in a while but otherwise they're doing a lot of that stuff and that stuff is nasty it works well but it's not this is all the brush growing up they spray this they grow this tree I don't understand I don't even think the road department is using it no Mark is draining it where there's bad knot he will go and treat small areas where he needs to a problem area but even then they don't like to because it's really toxic and most people don't want it on their property unless people do it and they don't tell you I funny story I was I don't remember where it was so I'm carrying all of that and it's some guy who just really not think in town there are people that like to complain about it but well it's been really conservation people over there really working on some eradication in fact they had something last Thursday but it was raining and I just want to just try to show people how to do it it's quite a process to move it they have a plan too my parents whole lower field is nothing you know that sounds like it's effective anyways in terms of I don't know how you can really regulate other people's property under the lines under the lines, yeah they have it right away but it's still person property this is specifically town property oh I see what you're saying yeah okay so so for this town school property and then the all of ours I that makes sense and perhaps something rather than a phone call it perhaps a letter that would be alright so why don't you or I'll move to what agency is it that we're sending this to well we'd be sending it so I have to move that we send the letter to Greenmount power stating as a town select we don't want them using roundup on town own property in living the right ways wait a second any other questions on that alright so Sasha you could John I want you to work with Sasha on that alright let's go ahead into the old business alright before we do that we have the minutes of July 19th I'll make a motion if we accept them as I will be amending and under the on the final page under executive session after it says due to attorney client communications it would be regarding an accident on a town highway then as per title one section 313A and then also and then when you say all in favor you should add that attorney Phillip Woodward is invited to attend the executive session so anytime anybody is invited to stay for the executive session we should put that down and then I believe you had a question on the timing too I believe the 811 is probably correct because we were in the executive session for quite a while so and then let's see who is the second of that the Kelly second of that okay forward favor forward favor I'm sorry I'm on the wrong one where it said Tom's second forward favor forward favor that's okay and then when we get to coming out of the executive session and then go down to raid motion and there's no second there do you recall who seconded the motion to the settlement I think Ray was the second I read the motion I read the letter you read the letter I seconded okay and then there are four of them in favor but I abstained okay whatever that's fine any other changes thank you John is there a second Kelly seconds for more changes all in favor all right all right Ray why don't you go ahead and start with the roll please I just told you I'm on ATV I hadn't really done much I guess I was waiting and I doubted that I had the state tweet during the night but is that next time? next week so I haven't really kind of waited to see what they have to say because I mean no matter what we put in people are going to do it anyway I mean technically if you want to be really technical there's not supposed to be ATVs up there now and there's people who are coming from outside of Jones River driving all the way up there and going around so I mean to be technical but I mean I wonder if we just keep it talking about class 3 but I wonder if we keep it we put in for class 4 so that everyone who's up there on the class 4 is covered and then give ourselves time and bring up the class 3 around town meeting where we can have a bigger discussion about it and then it's coming in for your full year in the spring that gives us time to figure out more of what we need to do for class 3 and getting the state police in figuring out what we need to do for signs because I still haven't heard about signs so if we work on just keeping the 4 because I think if anyone's coming up to the 4 I mean no one's complained for now so keep it there and and then bring it up have that set up at town meeting so we can have a broader discussion broader discussion with the town that makes sense you know people like me are on town group it doesn't make any sense to trail up to the class 3 I break a lot but on my outline I figure I've never been stopped actually I think I've never been stopped I've talked to game wardens on the road and you know long as and I've always been registered in each of the highways and you know I've never been following to say but unfortunately there are not everybody tries like me you know yeah and I think I mean the main people who I see that I see frequently are you know puttering along Herons come up from Berlin and they drive all the way up through and they just putter along and they're fine 20 miles an hour 25 miles an hour not hurting anybody right it's the ones that have more well then we get to you know consideration there's some pretty powerful machines out there now anyway so so the other couple items here the highway software I did talk to Meredith yesterday and he's expecting to hear from Turner Mr. Turner any time now and I get offered to learn if you want me over any day you know on a Wednesday I will meet with Turner so you can go do your road work whatever we need to get this done so we're working on that is here with Rodney or one of the other guys I mean Martin you know there's not like people working this time just thinking he'd rather be out on the greater and such when he was out running when he was out last year when we needed some things Rodney brings up his phone those and all that stuff he has the opportunity for that is that something maybe you know maybe you should ask Rodney to be looking into or working with us off give him some more responsibility because he seemed to step up with that free Martin to do with Martin enjoys the way he does best and then Rodney doesn't need more service than the chair anyways yeah so maybe why don't we talk to Martin about it and suggest to him that we get Rodney involved and we get Rodney back but hopefully Martin will yeah yeah yeah because I think Stephanie's good enough yeah Stephanie's good enough with all this other between fire department and animal control and that he doesn't need to be but you know Rodney's been around he does he's got to step up a little more responsibility for him and he would enjoy it actually but I think we should all right so we'll talk about the whole calendar the lights and the condensation I can tell you what I have done on my part I used to have that information and I reached out EF Wall who built it around okay you know and asked them what about a complete package can you put together something for both buildings give us my thing is we put an IRPL with a bid date of mid September and get pricing when does the work have to be complete I guess I think this year okay so he was worried about schedule but he felt that they could do something in October for the condensation thing and the lights everything the whole package instead of having two separate contractors we can price it with separate contractors as well but I believe EF Wall will be interested in pricing both buildings all the work what's here I thought you said wasn't it something that they count wasn't it something like the fire station just the town okay so just the town all I've done is I try to call electrician and I sent an email to our contact at peak just to send them the report from Efficiency Vermont to see if they could help on the condensation thing so and then the guy finally sent today the guy from Efficiency Vermont I had asked him like do you have any contacts at some of the people Efficiency Vermont works for because he just gave us some names a cold call place right now forget it everybody's so busy so that's what we just got today I like that's a great suggestion we can get one guy EF Wall is familiar so I don't know if you want to put out a public RFP or just start sending make up an RFP and just send it to do that right I think that's a good idea so we can get together okay we can even do this online probably a phone online if you want to try putting up an RFP and send it to me or either way what I was basically going to say is here's your report you can price all of the work or part of the work just make it clear once you are pricing but we need price but that's all I need to do I think that we could look at the list that the guy sent us just to see because like you know some of the subs like EF Wall obviously and maybe an EP we know because it is going to be hard to find so we can find some subs or not subs some contractors who we work for we have more chance that we'll gear up to do it by the fall so let's look at that list tomorrow or whatever let's try to put something together and send it over to you if you like it send it to Sasha and put it back together off it goes and get a price back in mid September that would be pretty good and then we get some money from Efficiency for one or two as well that's all I got in my old business very good Don what do you have there well I called back the gentleman at Green Mountain Power about to tap into school and he just said hey keep us posted you know we're interested they're a little bogged down right now because they're having to do a that project and another project sort of a whole something I think he said water flow assessment in the land and the dam he'll get back to us alright I went to I did stop at the State Garage because you know it's still about 100B I've managed to find a the assistant foreman just told him that by the more town village sign and up by the curbs after Stephanie Venom was house you know the road was not even a year old so they said didn't look at it you were going to try so we're also trying to talk to people so I did that I wanted to just try to see if we can set up some time that we can meet at the sand pit and you know look at the trees and you had those other trees or bushes that you were talking about at the last meeting so I don't know we can call each other during the week maybe we can go swimming there at the same time for you got a good day and then just the owls nest just to remind people about if they want to take a look at the owls nest down there and you know we'll talk to J.B. because he'll you know you could probably just talk to J.B. I just talked to him I'm comfortable with the people and Sasha is going to look into something as well so I was just wondering how we were doing that what's that sorry I didn't I spaced on that one oh that's fine and that's all I just have a I'm good and we're going to have a town I'll send this to Sasha but we're going to have another town our town hall committee we're going to meet on 811 at 530 but I'll send an email to Sasha at the town hall we're still waiting for the report from Bill Gallup which should be hopefully with any luck we'll have before this meeting which would be helpful but we figure we need to meet just so we can keep some momentum because we'd like to have at least something for a more fest that we could show people or talk to people so that's it for me Charlie we've got nothing nothing John nothing I could bring the mask thing up under new business I'm wearing mask mainly because of the new CDC guidelines and the fact that I have a grandson and we've got to think about the school kids too going back to school this is ridiculous anybody who's vaccinated can pass it on to children it's horrifying for me it's passed back on originally we were going to have an in-person in-person bridge driver meeting on Thursday they even got to do both a zoom alternative instead we're going to do an old zoom once again what does that mean what would you say bridge to river bridge to river oh sorry your mask no you know you know Essex County that's the two worst counties right now because they have the biggest increase in cases and you know what's happening they're coming up here because it's safe applications are probably it's it's vaccination I know it's just next week but we're having the four Wednesday here at the school there's a vaccination clinic going on right oh thank you the water they just checked and I said no it would be fine if they had something on the parking lot so encourage but what John is talking about here is the headline in the Mont Digger substantial cold and spread places in Essex County on the new CDC guidelines and today's cases are 42 cases 255 of the delta you know it's mind-blowing two colleagues that vaccinated and they were really and they both came back with they haven't changed our guidelines that work yet so we're still I mean we can we're in our office and we can go out wherever but we're also everyone that we go see is basically vaccinated and everyone in the office is so well at this point I mean at this time there's no as far as the state guidance as far as doing anything you know we always work that way you know it's a kind of unfortunate situation you know again people aren't getting vaccinated it just mutates yeah exactly that's the point it's like we have a virus that's what we do John are you suggesting that not so much tonight but that we need to start thinking about as a board how we're going to be as a town we have to wait for the state director yeah I'd wait to see if the state makes any changes that's my thing there's been a recommendation for massing schools is that correct or is that CDC that's what CDC yeah of course CDC is for any indoor anything indoors is what their recommendation is yeah people if you have been vaccinated you may still get COVID or the strain but you're probably not going to die your chances of dying or being hospitalized extremely slim but you can pass it on to children and they're still working on the vaccine for going down under 12 so I mean it's and that's my biggest concern has there been an outbreak in children of children dying or just I haven't heard the numbers on dying cancer yeah it was sick I mean I don't think it's I mean I guess I don't want to talk too much and I just think that at some point we need to recognize that COVID is always going to be here there's always going to be people with it just like several of the other diseases that we have that are you know just maybe we don't spread cancer to each other but it's still there it's one of the things we have to deal with in our life you know the flu every year it's killing a lot yeah well actually if we look into it it shows a lot of people not 600,000 not 600,000 but now the vaccine likelihood of dying or being hospitalized is very low you know people aren't getting the vaccines and the ones that are in big trouble we don't want anyone to die or we don't want to push that on anyone but to your point Ray it's going to be here and do you want to go around the rest of your life for the mask now and personally I don't know it's taken on my grandkids this whole COVID they're all healthy but the mental stress on everybody is overwhelming to these kids yeah I think it really is my daughters were a little older you know and we had that conversation and she was home this past weekend we've been really tough in there I just don't want to go back to that again you know it's tough and people everyone would do their job and get vaccinated yeah pretty much Ramon has been doing it it's good it's a safe nation but all the applications are way up for UVM and so on because everyone comes to Ramon where it's safe are they requiring vaccinations because I know some schools yes people fighting that yeah they require you to go get your meningitis shot before you go to any college whether you want to or not you have to go do it so it's the same yeah so we'll see how that but it is a concern to run around this day a little while and take appropriate steps as needed but at this point I would let's see what kind of guidance we have from the stage and the others are done anyone else with some new business I just want to mention that I think we talked about the school last week about getting a compact or something for their real crew and start looking into pricing again when you manufacture something like I believe Dutch where you manufacture something I think you said $12,000 whatever but we need to come up with something I think it paid for itself and just the way the gravel products are they seem to really seem to be oil and warm products when you get a big storm it becomes so slippery it's like worse than ice right Steph was actually just talking about it in here before we started about Duxbury having a roller behind the grater and how nicely some of the roads because I guess they graded on Thursday before it and he said one of the roads there looked great wouldn't have even known really should be done I think it would pay for itself in many ways so anyways I'll go work just get some pricing and hopefully get it in our budget next year very good alright Thomas yeah I just had a question or something maybe we can think about or maybe you already got the answer but do we have anything for like cyber security kind of thing I mean I know as a small town we don't need to but I was having a conversation with someone you know all these computer ransomware things it's even has happened to municipalities you know and I just I didn't know if we have in our computer system if we have some kind of security I don't know we do and they have a security but yeah perfect it just occurred to me I think it's a good question especially as we get more and more things are online that we're doing there's a lot of information some of these people probably use I don't know I don't know the whole thing is crazy what's going on Sasha, do us a favor and maybe from butternut and I'm sure they've probably given it to us before just what we ask for security so that we know you know we don't know what question to ask I don't either so what does that mean password yeah when we get an email from the town and we reply to it if we have a randomware on our own computer now we send it back to the town you know is it going to be I don't know it should probably be stuff from the town and also an effect in my computer where we got an email that actually looked like it looked legit even the email address looked legit sometimes you can look at it and say oh it's supposed to be .org and it's .com but even that looked fine and probably 100 people at least opened it and we all had to go in and change our passwords so now every email we get we're like wait do you get this email is this legit and if there are any education or things that we should be aware of just so that we're all doing business now so you know the things to work for but you know maybe there's other things anything else that's done Cali Cali what do you got John we just have a few things to sign and I inadvertently actually this is on my desk oh it inadvertently come on come on can you get a camera please zoom in congratulations John what's the name here John that's Anders Anders Phillip Tell I'm sorry Anders Peter looks a little like Grandpa yeah Opa Opa alright so that's what most things in here that we need to sign I just put them in there I didn't know what you should really read if you want to read something warm zone the guy wrote a letter I saw something in the paper the other day maybe it was my dad oh I don't know you wrote a letter an opinion in the valley quarter I'm going to go back and look tonight and see who wrote it I didn't say anything now because I guess they're making it so if you have a camper you can't have your camper in front of your house it has to be behind your house your garage doors have to be behind your house I was reading something it was pretty crazy why don't you do that no you're not right it's aesthetics it's all aesthetics Dorset has the same thing if you ever drive through Dorset you'll notice if you're on the main strip in Dorset you have to have white house paint with black shutters so when you drive through Dorset all the houses are white with black shutters because it's in their town alright so I just signed the preventive maintenance agreement that was for peak which we talked about and we have I guess signed the assessors but that's the one we've had I guess it's just continuing on the dates we've got to June 2022 as far as the services and the costs so that's going to be good the lawn mower is back too and and the personnel policy which was changed for John's I don't know if he's sure where he was updated hey John, you were looking at this the the jump yard on June 2 doesn't that ever come up for yeah I'm not sure if it's every year or not I remember we signed that has been a while yeah, it has been a while I was thinking the same thing so maybe Sasha, maybe we should look into that yeah, let's look into that I think when I first got on the board it was that's what I remember I remember it was just there it was shown to be here but I don't remember it was an ice horse yeah that's one actually a regulated business that should be public treatment in front of it but it's serious decided to lean over because the wind and the wet ground is now sleeping I like to lean here and try to I would try is it still is the roof still in? yeah you don't want to move around for too much it's just going to lean over on some other ones do you want us to form a line? no, I have two five by five squares the middle of one of the squares a few of them decided to lean over I was just the other day with that before the rain on Friday we had the big wind I think on Thursday it was really windy was it? yeah that one was just I don't have to sign that one you don't have to sign that one just the one that says sign here just the sign just the sign you don't have to sign that one I don't have to sign that one even though it says sign here you don't have to sign that one there's two in the bag there's one in the bag it was the personnel policy that was the most important so are you right there right? I'm here I think that's it ah I'm going to take some time off but I just have to I might be a stay case I don't think I want to travel too many places right now I didn't know I didn't see it like a food I know I went home in May I was saying the gray of the phone it was just on the coast it was just a lot of people were traveling I know that way the Portsmouth area it's crazy driving there everyone's very short my brother said I don't know it's like people are calling it revenge tourism because people are just out there I want this I want that place is full everything's in demand lines for this lines for that it's just quite crazy everyone has lived an hour so we can't get people to work I think the capital passes up to 300 dollars a night we're not going to go to the office really wow a couple days is 200 dollars it's unbelievable when we went to Hampton you have to stay two nights whoa I knew it was going so I was going to sneak up you have to stay at least two nights if not three most places and it was like 300 dollars a night to stay I'm sure but you don't have to go anywhere you can stand on your balcony and watch everybody I think it's nice to deal with that and everything is booked that's the easiest way everything is booked you're a friend who's telling you a story that a friend of his sent this kid in to get the iced coffees or something this is down on the cane the kid comes up how much do you think three iced coffees should be 14 dollars maybe it was like 32 dollars so the guy sends this kid back in to go they must have made a mistake the guy goes no that's what it is you don't like it don't come back we don't really care that's what it is take your 8 ounce seriously you got to even care okay you don't like it that's what it is don't come back because there's a lot generally that's how people have gotten we're having a family party this weekend and try to get a quarter party and then I'm available every place in Vermont is like yeah good luck everybody's having a party everybody's having a party thanks for the cross it was a win-win we had a bunch of them out there we just threw them on the back a dirty job thank you miss one oh so here's a quarter party thank you Ray the the Morpheus community we worked with a recreation community a recreation community to bring in two quarter parties for the Morpheus where should they go pee pee no no no where should they go what did we say pee pee something I thought you said where to pee where should we go we got that no no open door so somewhere out by the I don't know the pavilion or where do you yeah probably yeah alright so we'll put one one place in one yeah they should be experts in that they come in and assess the position you know the things and put them in they think yeah I mean maybe just right out of here just we can all walk right into this gate right here right yeah right by the gate wall the main view across the pavilion near the gate okay alright Ray thank you for your expertise on that we don't have to make a motion we don't need a motion on that no no no yeah they're getting two they're getting one more comedy wheelchairs it's not too bad good alright so I got the I got seven so one other thing Sasha can you look into them you can probably do them because the store is donating could you have a sign made you know just a vinyl and say thank you Mortown General Store for sponsoring the pig roast so that we can hang out to that day there but then at some point I'll talk to Sherylen but we just need to send them an invoice up at Jolly for $500 and have it attention Sean Bartlett thank you very much for your work I move to adjourn second all in favor thank you everyone thank you