 And so when I think about skin care, when you guys are saying if you don't need a 15 step regimen, what do people need? Is it a three to four step regimen? What would you? So the way we divvy up the industry is into just cleanse, moisturize, sun protect. And those are your three basics, right? Okay. If you do nothing else. Okay. Cleans, moisturize, sun protection. Okay. Yeah. And then treatments is definitely the one that can target, you know, these long-term skin concerns, wrinkles, pigmentation, but at the end of the day, if all you have time for is, you know, the basics, then we would just say the core three, you know. And then, yeah. What is a cleanser? What is like a good cleanser need to have in it? Well, that's a great question. So you definitely shouldn't pay a lot for it. You shouldn't pay a lot for it. No. If you want to save somewhere, cleanser is probably one of those things because it's simply for the function of cleaning. Do any big names make a good cleanser? Yeah. Actually cleanser from a chemist perspective is not the easiest thing to formulate. And a lot of bigger companies have pretty good cleansing formulas. I want to say one thing that as a, if you're trying to get more serious about skincare, something you should consider replacing as soap based cleansers because they're usually a little bit too stripping, especially you have dry and sensitive skin. And that actually can cause a lot of irritation in the long run. Not saying it's bad for all skin type because like soap's been around forever, but just saying in something that's worth upgrading. Yeah, agree. What's a good range of dollars people should spend on a cleanser that you guys would say? Anywhere between five and 25. Nothing. I don't think, I've seen cleansers that cost like $120. Don't do that. It's just marketing. Yeah. And yeah. I mentioned cleansing. What was the second one? Moisturize. Sunscreen. Moisturize. Yeah. Okay. I'm just trying to break this down because I don't have any idea. When it comes to cleansing, is it cleansing twice a day? Morning and night? You don't have to. No. Just once a day. Once a day. If you can cover once a day, then you're golden. Any time of the day. Whether it's nighttime. Night. Yeah. Night would be best because. Okay, good. I shower at night. That's when I cleanse. Yes. Think about like daily grime, accumulation of sweat, all that. Yeah. It's best to at least come in. Before you go to bed. Okay. Moisturizer is the tough one for me. I generally would say. When do you moisturize? The mornings? We'll come in morning and night. Yeah. Okay. When I moisturize, the moisturizer I use has a SPF, it's 30 SPF, so it's got a sunblock and a moisturizer. That'll be just for a day. Right. Is that good? Or should we not blend anything? Oh no, that's great. Actually. Okay. Especially for those who are finicky with sunscreen, oily skin, I'm the same, gets really oily. I hate wearing moisturizer. Right. But it smells delicious. That's important. And it happens to have an SPF, so I'm like, okay, I'm doing what I need to do. And with SPF, we just want to say that our go-to recommendation is, you know what, forget about, that's the one category we'll say forget about, the chemist recommendation, forget about what anyone says. If you enjoy using it and you're willing to use it every day, like if it smells delicious, that's it. That's a big struggle with sunscreen is a lot of people don't have good sunscreen habits or they don't like it, so they don't wear it every day. What do you call winning, right? So if I start a business, I would am at the revenue, the views, the users, the adoption, I can view as like this is working. When it comes to putting things on your fit, like if I subscribe to a diet, I would say, okay, is my body fat going down? What is my BMI? Is my weight going down? How do I feel good? There's clear indicators of success. In this world of putting things on my face, there isn't. Well, that's because you're blessed with it. I know. For me, it's lack of sun damage, controlling the acne, not having oily scowl, that was like rosacea, all these things that I would, these are measurements. But if I started a new program today, right, like a new diet, let's say, it would, it wouldn't, I would still have to maybe take two weeks, right, for things to really start to set in. Yes. Okay, of consistency. Yep, skincare still needs time to work. I would say in your case, you will know if it works. Probably 10 years down the road. Wow. So that's a terrifying thought. Because of, you know, are you developing sun spots? It's stuff like that that is really what's going to show. It just doesn't help, though. Because that means I could be on the wrong path for 10 years. I know in the next day, if something isn't working. So that's such a good point that you brought that up, because when we first started, like Victoria mentioned, we're like, yeah, science, everyone should subscribe to it. And then when we do more, as we go down into this rabbit hole, we realize like, okay, we understand why skincare gets a little culty, because it is a belief system, right? You have to trust in what you're using. It's a religion, it's a software. Yeah, you have to just believe that it works, right? Blindly, for 10 years. Right, so I mean, there is certain areas of skincare where you see results faster. Right, we say, you still have to become a system, but you can see, say, lessening spots. You can notice lessened your fine lines or just sunspots in 4 to 12 weeks. That's usually how long a skincare clinical testing is. But in terms of age prevention, especially if you have a pretty good starting point like you, Diego, then that gets a little religious. But you just have to believe that this is preventing aging. Yeah, but you should do it either way. Yeah, well, no one's, are you really going to have your face in the name of science? I actually would. I actually would. He would call you on the trials himself, call you back in 10 years. I won't. Come let us take measurements and start you on the clinical. Would it be night and day? Let's pretend we did that. Let's pretend we subscribed to this in 10 years time. And I put nothing on one side and the system that I mentioned to you about on the other side. Would you know? Yes. Would it be very clear? You would. I mean, there's a very clear. Very clear. There's a really famous study of a truck driver. And he is driving on one side. So that means in this while he's driving, the sun only hits one side of his face. And you can see very clearly the distinction of damage on one side versus the other. So the sun causes a tremendous amount of damage. The most damage. It is the biggest source of damage. Aside from aging. I love this. Great that we're in SoCal, right? I know. It's a great point. And I was going to just add on that the science can only try to bring logic to all of this. It doesn't tell the whole picture and will never tell the whole picture for every single individual just because skin is so personal. It involves your lifestyle, your stress, your age, you know, your genetics, everything. And so with that, like we always tell people if it's working for you, you found something like it doesn't matter what we say. If you pay $150 and it works, like great, you know, keep going. There's no reason for you to abandon something that works and try to start over because you heard some celebrity, you know, is using some miracle treatment. If this sparks joy, deal it. If this sparks joy. Hey everyone, thanks for checking out that clip. If you enjoyed it, be sure to hit the like button down below. And if you're interested in hearing the full episode, it's out right now on our YouTube channel. 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