 Welcome back everyone, it's theCUBE's wrap up of our third day and final day here at the open source summit. I'm John Furrier, Rob Streche, my co-host all week, Rob, breaking down all of the action. Great guests, we're here in beautiful Vancouver. If you check out our scene here, we got a great view and it's been like a great office. No problem with the lighting. The guys did great, team was awesome. We're looking out this great window to the water. It's been phenomenal. The guys, great job with the lighting. Just a beautiful venue, but it's an intimate event. This is the premier open source event where the industry decides what's going to look like for the next few years. The trajectory, the die gets cast, plans roll into motion. It's not the big monster event with 10, 20, 30,000 people. It's a handful, a few thousand people. The top people here bring in cloud and open source and turn that into an application-centric society, powering open free software, open sources, one. These are the things we were talking about. And our big story this week, Rob, has been the questions we were going to ask was, is AI going to be the tornado that's going to topple over generations of open source work and value, or will it survive? How will open source respond to that wave? Security, will their work and security go the next level? Are they on the right track? And three, how are they going to structure the projects and handle this next generation of developers? On the back of cloud native, knowing that the CNCF is exploding in size. And the Linux Foundation, as a result, is growing. So rising tide is floating all the boats. These were the questions. What's your reaction? What's your take on what we saw this week? I think it was a great week of advancement in many different areas. A lot of discussions about new people coming in, new consumers coming in, and new contributors coming in. And I think to your point about AI, I think it was that they are thinking about it, and that they're not sitting on the sidelines to the point of some of the keynotes being about how they're embracing other foundations that are bringing more AI to the table. And I think that there is still, I think, ways that they're looking to address it from as we talked about back at KubeCon, the kind of the code pollution aspect of it. And I think that still it's early days, but I think that definitely things like SBOM, how they go beyond platform engineering, how they make it easier is definitely on the radar, which was great to see. I think the security angle, I want to dig into that in a second. My big takeaway to your point about this, how the projects are managed and this new generation is, the platform engineering concept came up a lot. Obviously AI, we talked about AI already, they're ready for it. I think people are pragmatically and optimistic about it, they understand it, they understand automation, understand the value. Human plus AI is better than AI by itself. We use the chess example with Matt Butcher from Eon. That seems to be the consensus around the board. Okay, all the experts are pointing to that. AI plus, human plus AI is better than AI all the time. The other thing that I want to report is that these LLMs are a potential energy problem and new content on theCUBE this week was energy, sustainability around how open source software is powering grids and the energy piece of it, a huge important part of it. So that was a big aha and I think that's going to look at that, that's new information, I'm going to report on that. But AI, they're ready. Platform engineering is back and that these ecosystems are developing and that could be a good thing, but it's a double-edged sword. If ecosystems become siloed and a moat, a moat can also be protection oriented, very proprietary. So there has to be awareness to that ecosystems decoupled from each other can be cohesive but they got to interact. You got to have some threaded coupling if you will or thread the needle between these systems. Yeah, I think that was, we had a number of really great guests on where we talked about the fact that there is some overlap in some of these projects and so you have competing projects. They're not only competing from a technology perspective but they may be competing for the same people to actually help in those communities because there's only so many people to go around to contribute and I think that is really interesting about the ecosystems and I think ultimately ecosystems are goodness but and they drive further development, further involvement but is one going to win over the other? That becomes the question mark. Yeah, I think developers should look at the ecosystems as you go to college, which club do I want to join or which frat or sorority do I want to join but you got to be careful not to get locked into the ecosystems. I think one of the things that I've seen is great ecosystems work on that cohesiveness is there and that communities there but you got to have the ability to traverse across other groups and have access because there are APIs, modern apps have APIs and microservices, stateless seems to be the way and you got to have that systems approach. Right and I think we had some really interesting when we had several people on talking about how it's not just about the infrastructure it's getting that next level up so where KubeCon was very infrastructure heavy today this week was a lot more around how do you have authorization? How do you have the different security features plugged in? How do you make sure that you're not just doing a check box for an S-bomb from a security perspective and I think there's been a lot more thought put into it and put forward that is really bringing some neat stuff out that's going to be extremely I guess beneficial. I thought also what was very interesting was talking about the fact that it's not just about the cloud and some of its edge and some of its disconnected devices and how these services will run when they're offline or air-gapped for that matter which was very interesting. A lot of great stuff. Siliconangle.com has all the stories from the Kube. If you're new to theCUBE we do this openly out in the world at events we extract the signal from the noise the journalists at Siliconangle write the stories that they see and listen to and that's published on Siliconangle.com now we have our AI tool you'll start to see automatic clips come out and maybe some stories I did a little test today on LinkedIn where I put an automated summary actually credited to be AI and being transparent actually did a good job I didn't see how the results are but here's the stories we've got on Siliconangle right now from this event Rob I want to run them by you it's a good rundown to what our journalists felt were good stories we talked about the energy we had the cloud native apps powering consumption needs using Kepler metrics we just talked about that we love how cloud native can bring the agility to the industrial IoT and do things like policy based managing the power no one to run the wash machine no one to run the factory floor tying workloads that have power demands and do that in policy just love that just a great use of policy based execution yet another one story that I want to bring up is the new organization open SSF open software security foundation Amazon puts some money I think Google did too the S-bombs got to be more dynamic and reduce the software so that's one of the headline stories you put this up the security movement and Lauren brought this up earlier the security advancements have been very strong within the open source not a good track record in open source with perspective security other than they've been good at it but not great yeah and I think everybody realizes that I think and I guess it's one of those you have to admit you have a problem before you can actually solve for it and I think that log for J or really was an eye opening moment for this community and I think it's an eye opening moment and I think it also brings the specter of potential regulation and if you don't police yourself somebody else is going to do it for you so I think that's been great getting in there but I think also the acknowledgement that S-bombs are not enough and that as soon as one is created it's now out of date and how are you going to deal with that? Got to be more dynamic and by the way that they tied to the observability data marrying that was a big point that came up from Red Hat we had a great conversation from proprietary to open source the new landscape the Red Hat engineers he was awesome he even gave great talk and then one of my favorite stories was with Fidelity and Discover we had two large blue chip enterprises I mean what a gift Rob to have that kind of quality on the cube sharing openly some of the challenges Fidelity told about their 4,000 app teams how platform engineering how they view it it's a lot like IT the centralized organization and then we had the FinOps side of it for Discover Angel Diaz from IBM talking about how their journey is how they handle working backers from the customer and being focused on that space and then he had some great advice on if you're using things multiple times then make it a feature don't design the platform first do the use cases then figure out where you're doing it multiple times then bring it into the platform that was the end user stories were pretty compelling what's your take on that I thought they were great I thought they were fantastic I think it's again especially with Angel and with Fidelity and there's multiple other Fidelity people that we've been able to talk to off the record throughout the week and I think it's been great to see that they're all getting involved and they're bringing a open source mentality back to their companies and contributing back with Fidelity doing their plug-in for Jenkins to help with CD events and I think part of that was again they're not just talking about it or consuming it they're actually contributing back I thought what was neat about when we were talking with Discover and Angel it was really about the fact that they're even open sourcing to a certain extent their Discover Technology Academy and the content there to actually upskill people and I think that was really neat as well and I think that type of giving back is super important Yeah and I just noticed a typo on the article here they had Journey and Phenops it should be PhenoS Phenos I made that same mistake by the way when I introduced them so Phenops we've been doing a lot of Phenops coverage on SiliconANGLE and again important to while we're here to call off that distinction Phenops is cost optimization Phenop financial operations Phenos is FinTech open foundation that's part of the different open source PhenTech completely different things Yes Yeah and I think what's really neat about Phenos is that it starts with the consumers with the people who are the actual customers the people in the financial community I think again Fidelity being here and that they actually signed up and became a member of Phenos this week but you have all of the big you know big financial services corporations in you know over in Europe and UK in the States now many of them are there and they're driving the agenda so it's actually kind of working in reverse of how many of the other open source communities work it's very verticalized which was really neat and it kind of begs the question of what other ones will come up in the future will there be a healthcare one revisited there you know after there was a research group around that back in 2020 when the pandemic was happening so this will be I think really interesting to see at the success of Phenos and how it's joined the Linux Foundation and brought that verticalization to it Yeah and I like their attitude of how they're handling their cross-through organizations because it wasn't his answer on platform engineering was very interesting it wasn't as hardcore as Fidelity's there's a little bit more horizontal scalable I think Fidelity had much more rigid ops thing to it big part of the story and again continuing to do it also we had data conversations a lot of data conversations coming in the queue we had two great talks Lauren came out to talk about our book I thought that was phenomenal today and we had a great conversation with Matt butchered from Farion he really went out on a limb and talked about the role of open source that was great as well just great stuff Yeah and we had Manfred on from Trino slash Starburst as well and talked about the data federation and how you can the differences between Trino and Presto and where things could be used and I think that's the neat thing is you're seeing that it's at the application layer here and into the data layer versus just at the all of I mean it is still plumbing and infrastructure but it's at a different place in the stack and I think many stacks here this week Alright so Rob to wrap things up I want to just go back to our first day and looking at the write-ups that our journalists kind of picked up on our riffing it's always good to see what they interpret us saying so the two major things that we points we made on day one was the future of open source and the age of AI we're going to break down the insights and we said that we were going to explore the intersection of AI platform engineering and the open source ecosystems I think we did a good job I think so I think we nailed it we've done a lot of AI we asked every guest what they thought we explored the platform engineering nuance between apps and app teams in this case thousands of fidelity to what a platform engineering is and how that's changing it's more of an IT infrastructure and then of course the ecosystems yeah all changing yes and like you said the ecosystems and the fact that are they going to become moats or not and how do those communities really evolve and we even got into some of the community aspects of it yesterday with John who so it was really a lot of fun and we had also Ed Warnacky from Cisco always a big brain in the queue he's doing omnibore very getting into S-bombs he's got this awesome I won't say graph database but a graph concept of how to prioritize working with S-bombs to get that dynamic nature again he's always ahead of the curve he's the one who called to the attention this chess analogy where you have human augmentation actually is better than AI by itself and he used the example of chess you know AI against AI or human against AI and if human plus AI actually makes that a better result combo right so hats off to Ed over at Cisco and of course our tornado analogy got mixed up many times but we tried to do a good job there but overall I thought a great event and you know great venue you have a great seat here all week and some great guests what was your biggest takeaway Rob before we wrap up I think it is that again and you know we kind of talked about it like you said but the platform engineering and AI are going to continue to evolve and there's a lot of effort being put into that and I think I was extremely excited about the amount of security and the the actual work being done on security because I think that is a huge piece going forward as we move forward now that open source has won we definitely need to be secure my final takeaway was I learned a lot and one thing that validated my position on Superstack was there's going to be a super compute hardware layer we heard about hardware with some of the energy stuff software is everything now even hardware is software you talk to NVIDIA they're a software company hardware companies say they're a software company software and hardware are going to be won obviously that's a software open source just seeing traction there and then moving up the stack everyone's going to try to have a control plane you just have to see this platform wars going on I think you're going to see everyone's trying to be the platform I got an open source project I'm going to have a cloud I'm going to have a control plane you know the playbook you can only have so many platforms and I think apps will be more platform like and platform connected so I think tools will become quasi platforms and have connective tissue glue between them but you can't have dozens and dozens of platforms you've got to have a handful of platforms in a company so I just see a train wreck potentially there yeah I agree I think that that one that and the overlap in projects and platforms is still I think one of the hardest things to navigate at one of these conferences in understanding the nuances between the projects when sometimes they do have a significant amount of overlap and final point is as software continues to rule the world there's going to be a step function increase in velocity volume and capabilities and what that's going to increase is complexity and taming complexity you know as cloud and open source gets more complex companies will need to manage that and I think you'll see innovation around abstracting away complexities and also bolt on you know the classic innovation strategy bolt something on or build an abstraction layer so I think we're going to see a lot of innovation around security and data coming quickly obviously AI will force that and I think I've learned that if you're not AI ready meaning having the data having the data infrastructure or the software you're going to get blown over I think the tornado will will wreck you if you do not have that data ready philosophy I agree I agree okay that's a wrap on day three guys want to say thanks to the team guys, Brendan, Christian Andrew way to go Anderson great job the team here of course the Linux Foundation thank you for having us appreciate your hospitality bringing theCUBE as usually great result we have so much data hitting the internet we got generative AI clips being built by our AI theCUBEAI.com check it out we're on a wait list now we're letting people in and of course go to theCUBE.net check out SiliconANGLE.com the stories hitting tsunami of content hitting from this event thanks for watching for Rob Stretcher I'm John Furrier with theCUBE we'll see you soon