 Why would I I'm lighting this show by candle All right video people those of you watching the video the screens from Roger will be there I will try to remember to make them front and center, but the hangouts on air app is acting up today, so He can't control them himself But I'll do this and they'll show up and then I'll do that Veronica has caught one of my typos already, so that's good any others Not that I saw yet. All right, it's just gonna be a good time to sit back and chat about what all this means It's it all mean Veronica What does it all mean? I Like this room you're in I Don't even have a microphone Yeah, but because you're in that padded cell You know You should just carry one of those around that you can just put over your head Just made of baffling sir a million dollar idea Tom don't talk about it in public We're gonna kick start the crap out of that Have you run into this real quickly before we start have you run into this where you back something on Kickstarter? And they take three years to ship a product and by the time they send you the big exciting email You're like I don't know if I really want this anymore I just got the email literally what I was distracted Replying to was I just got the email the thing that we that you wanted this product for were no longer supporting the use case for So this thing that you've been waiting for for two years Here's we can give you a full refund in an Amazon gift card. I'm like fine. Whatever. Yes. Yes Give me back my literally my two hundred dollars that I backed this project for I backed to this oven this smart oven And the promise was like it's gonna have fresh ingredients, you know And and it'll cook them really fast and you want to do anything in the past three years. I've learned to cook And so now I'm like, I don't know I think I could make stuff that's better than what For me it was this is like this it was this pain device It was like a wearable that you put on your head and it was supposed to help with like migraines and like neck and pain yeah, and They're only focusing on back lower back pain now. I'm like, I don't like that And I don't I hope I get lower back pain soon So I'm getting I'm getting the refund but I'm just like and also they kept trying to call me on the phone I'm like, don't call me on the phone never call me on the phone. That's not okay All right Well Pat was nice enough to send us a new intro. So we've got a hot new intro from Pat to start us off Are you ready? Oh, yeah, sorry. I'm washing my phone now Wet naps in here. Okay. Yeah, I'm ready. Okay. Here we go The Daily Tech news show is powered by its listeners not outside organizations If you get value from the show consider giving a little back as little as a dollar a month keeps great tech news and analysis Coming your way commercial free find out more at Daily Tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Monday April 24th 2017 I'm Tom Merritt Veronica Belmont in a padded cell joins us. Hello. How are you? I'm good You sound very dampened Good, that's how it should be. That's right. No office today and they have a podcast room. That's pretty cool Yeah, it looks nice sounds good We are going to talk in in bot takes the return of bot takes on this episode We will talk about Twitter bots because they've run a muck even more so than usual something I literally know absolutely nothing about No, but you covered it in your bot zine Yeah, and there's a pretty good. There's pretty good article on zedynet about it. We'll talk about that in a bit Let's start with a view tech things you should know That's not funny noticed a job posting on Spotify's website looking for someone who wants to build quote a category defining Product akin to a pebble watch Amazon echo and snap spectacles They want all three in one. I don't know That's a lot of things that do a lot of different stuff. Yeah, I think what they're saying is Spotify wants to make some hardware You know something cool like one of these like all three of these Elements of all three. No, that sounds like I mean golly jeepers I don't know what kind of product they would make but I'm excited about it. I guess there's some We'll talk more about it when we get more info Google announced its latest VR camera the 7.5 pound yee halo for $16,999 that can generate 8k by 8k stereoscopic VR at 30 frames per second It also sounds like some sort of greeting yee. Hello. It does a little bit But yeah, you know, what's really interesting is it's called the yee because of the yee cameras The cameras are a Xiaomi backed company that they are using in this version instead of the GoPro Which Google used in its Odyssey rig previously Report from Penguin Intelligence found 45% of WeChat users pay for things in physical stores Using the WeChat wallet feature Because and this is what they said in the survey. They don't carry cash 45% said I use the WeChat app because I don't care cash Supermarkets and convenience stores were the top place people used WeChat pay online shopping was second and Restaurants third. So when everybody asks about like what's happening with the payment revolution? Just look at China folks. It's happening right now I know and I'm super jealous like I really want this kind of stuff to start happening more frequently in the US I mean some stores are starting to pick up on Apple pay and other payment methods But it really hasn't gone full steam yet Yeah, and I carry cash because Ryan refuses to carry cash and so my husband Doesn't really like to carry cash either. That's so fun. It's illegal to have 20 bucks like we go to the farmers market I'm like, well if you carried cash, I wouldn't have to be the one going to the ATM. Whatever. Anyway, this is a familial matter But it is funny like my wife has that same thing of like, I don't want to have to carry cash I don't need to carry cash except every once in a while. You do except when you do except when you do. Yeah. Oh It's me the $449 DJI Goggles are up for pre-sale today for shipping in late May The VR like headset lets you control a quadcopter and it's camera gimbal with head movements That's kind of cool. I mean, I guess it only can do y'all left and y'all right for the for the actual drone But the gimbal itself would be fun because apparently Somebody can control the app to fly it while you control the gimbal so you can just it'll look where you look Yeah, like as you're flying you can kind of like that sounds super fun and also a little nausea inducing perhaps All right Let's get into some more top stories in New York Times report claims apples Tim Cook in a meeting Told ubers Travis Kalanick a while ago to stop a practice of trying to match users who deleted the uber app And then reinstalled it on the same phone under a different account The New York Times paints a better picture of it of Tim Cook in his southern drawl saying I hear you're breaking rules that Uber says the practice was meant to combat fraud Supposedly drivers in China had been registering multiple uber accounts on stolen phones in order to inflate the number of rider requests Which would then raise prices for them will Strafak president of pseudo security told tech crunch It appears uber was using the device Serial number in a way that violates apples rules at least in the 2014 version of the uber app That Strafak looked at uber till tech crunch It does use a form of fingerprinting that complies with apples rules in order to combat fraud apple's been cutting down on what you Could do app makers used to be able to use the UD ID and then Apple deprecated that this like no We're not gonna allow that anymore So it sounds like at some point maybe uber hadn't caught up with the new rules But to be clear what uber was doing wasn't tracking you when you deleted the app. That's what a lot of headlines sort of implied You know, I can also see this as being useful in a bad way for people like riders using that Technique to perhaps start new accounts if their rating was very poor. Ah, yeah And I compared that's another kind of of a driver that's exactly that too But that's abuse of the system that Uber could be trying to do So yeah, I mean uber uber doesn't have any credit left with the public at this point So nobody's gonna give them the benefit of the doubt But if this was lift people might you know say, oh, well, it's you know, they probably were just late on updating how they do this Potentially. Yeah, but speaking of lift another revelation in that New York Times article on uber was that it purchased data from slice Intelligence gleaned from users lift ride receipts. So slice of sister company unrolled at me says the data It's sold to uber was anonymized Unrolled at me as a free service, which I have used for many many years that unsubscribes users from mailing lists newsletters and other anoances But it aggregates data collected while scanning inboxes or unsubscribe links and sells it through slice This was a whole separate kind of security drama that was technically above board I mean, it wasn't it wasn't a hidden thing But I think a lot of people just don't typically read the terms of service and understand how their data is being used I mean like I said, I Recommended unrolled at me back in the Tekzilla day is probably in like 2009 or 10 And I've been using it ever since then and I've been using it to aggregate mailing lists and unsubscribe for mailing lists And so they have you know, probably nearly a decade's worth of information about my buying habits My subscription habits and they sell that data and that's how they make money. That is how would they make money? It's a free service. So I mean, I think people tend to get a little like wound up about that kind of thing sometimes for good reason But this is that is like next level kind of Sneaky actually taking that data and selling it to a competitor as an in terms of a way to For outreach for I think editor's customers. Yes, there's two things going on one Like you said is is that terms of service ignorance were like wait, I didn't realize they were doing that like well What did you think as a free service? Of course, they were gonna monetize you somehow, right? You know, if you were if you were concerned about it, you probably should have checked in on that On the other hand, I think the fact that uber was using it to find out now, this is aggregated Don't get too bent out of shape. This is not here's Veronica's receipts It was here are the anonymized number of receipts and the average amount, etc That was letting uber get some data on lift to find out like, okay, how much are they charging? Where are they operating most frequently? Okay, that's that's a little less work. Yeah, it's a little less bad Uh, but but the fact that it was uber again uber, which has no credit with the public Using it to to find out inside information about their competitor. I think that also sets people off too Uh kgi analyst Ming chi quo has weighed in on the upcoming iPhones We've gotten mark gurman. We've gotten ev leaks. So now we have the trifecta Ming chi quo On the upcoming new iPhones as several others have reported quo expects two minor upgrades Upgraded the iPhone 7 upgraded the iPhone 7 plus supposedly they'll look very similar But of course, there's a new model that quo expects with an OLED screen That's the one you may hear often referred to as the anniversary edition We don't know any of these details apple hasn't confirmed any of this But quo says the OLED model will not enter production until later After the other two models because of manufacturing issues with the OLED screen as well as some changes to sensors And a new a11 chip which is being manufactured on a 10 nanometer process Now the one thing quo did not mention that from what I saw was anything to do with fingerprint sensor So, yeah, I mean we've we've been kind of reporting on and talking about some of these supply chain issues in recent months And I think it'll probably be a situation where they have the big apple event and show this quote unquote anniversary phone Is kind of the new flagship device and say, you know These two phones are are going to be out next month or now and and this one is going to be a little bit later But get your pre-orders in Yeah, everyone's still going to pile on and get those pre-orders in think of the think of the airplay headphones They had a manufacturing issue They took later. They were supposed to come out by the end of november They didn't come out until right at the beginning of december Uh, and for a long time It was a very long shipping date. You could order them, but it would they wouldn't ship for months I have a feeling that's what they may be facing here If they can get these manufacturing issues resolved, which they probably can then yeah We're looking at it now a september announcement maybe like usual But pre-orders happening before shipping shipping may be not happening till november or december and then limited quantities at that point Though that hasn't really caused them too many huge problems in the past So and if anything it causes that like scarcity factor where people still feel like they need to jump on top of it And get their pre-orders in right away So they'll be the first to get them when they do become available It causes the annoyance factor of someone who wants to buy one to review it Having to compete with all of these people and try to figure out. Is it best to buy it online or the app? Yes, that's a pain Stay up until midnight. Yeah The average person could just order it when they want and it'll arrive in a few months and you'll not die Nobody you know what tom? Nobody will die. Nobody will die because of that because of that We're not promising immortality if you order this A company named leer bird liar bird I think liar like the like the the instrument the liar Company named liar bird has posted examples of its api that supposedly can synthesize Anyone's speech pattern based on a minute long recording of their voice Liar bird said it plans to launch an api soon and claims that the release of its product will help people to understand How easily audio recordings can be manipulated? Now I have seen technology like this in the past and it's terrifying Well, it's horrifying. I don't know if you remember adobe last fall Demonstrating their version of this which required 20 minutes of audio to be able to do it This one's saying it can do it with only a minute But would you like to hear the sample that they have up on soundcloud? Okay. All right. Here we go A liar bird it does not convey the opinion of donald trump I am donald trump. This is very very important. Let me tell you this year. I am coming to the eclure conference I have heard many many things about this conference. It's a tremendous conference I would like to meet the best researchers who wants to see me He's a little bit mushmouth A little Fuzz on the edge I mean, so with a minute that's actually really impressive It's not the kind of thing at this point that is going to fool me into thinking that's real Well, you're also a smart person tom You're a smart guy So so the now that you've heard that does it still frighten you? yes Yes, because that is off a minute and this is a brand new product And I know how technology works and you can make it say anything Anything if you weren't if you weren't quite putting this together What we just played you was not something that the president had ever said It was taking a minute of audio and then re making him say that he wants to go to this conference that they were playing this at The fact that they can do this with video now too Or that there is that app that people have been playing with all last week that like can put smiles on people's faces Or make them look young and old so you can totally I mean I mean you could already do that with photoshop Yeah, but it's so easy now to just like Completely make stuff up well Remember this sounds very familiar when photoshop came along where people like oh you can't trust photos anymore And the thing is we still trust photos for the most part We know what we all try to look and say oh, that's photoshop, right? But it's not like photos have suddenly become all suspect You just it just it brings a different But sound is completely sound is so intimate like I feel like we believe sound in a different kind of way I think so. I mean it would be this is more like video video is harder to fake, but you can fake video too Yeah, you can so I don't know Finally larry page backed kitty hawk remember larry page is backing two different flying car companies quote-a-quote He doesn't call him that we call him that in the press flying. They're not flying car companies In fact kitty hawk published a video of its prototype aircraft It's an all-electric ultra light aircraft that looks like a Like it's made out of tires. No, not exactly, but it's designed to operate over water Does not require a pilot's license because it's like it's safe. Okay. Yeah And and so it's not going to fly you to work at this point If you are interested you can pay a hundred dollars for a three-year membership in kitty hawk And that will get you priority placement on a waitlist Access to a flight simulator and some company events in gear you get some sweatshirts, I guess stuff like that And an eventually a two thousand dollar discount off the retail price So kind of an interesting thing to have a membership in a company So that they can kind of mine your opinion, which is cool You get early access and a discount on the eventual product Right now this feels like a recreation thing Not this is like the cdu of the air. It's an expensive toy But also there's a clarification in the article The other company that page invested in z arrow is an offshoot of kitty hawk So he's actually invested in two separate Factions of the same company parent company, which is interesting Yeah, so maybe they're taking this and taking it in a more industrial or or or transportation oriented line Yeah, I mean it's gonna be like the way with tesla Like they put out the roadster to kind of like be a proof of concept that people would want to buy something like this And spend a lot of money and kind of drum up interest And then you know use the the funds from that to to finance a more You know modest What are you breathing about it? I don't know. I'm just trying to figure out how to how to Describe this thing because it it looks like you're sitting on a big trampoline with a couple of buoys Yeah Water wings tied on strapped on so I'd like it could be fun It could be fun to tool around on the lake don't land on any ski or water skiers, please Fun and games till someone breaks their neck. It's always the way. It's always the way I'm curious if anybody out there is willing to to gamble a hundred dollars on a membership in this Just so you can keep a be in the know and maybe buy one. 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You can put it on your amazon echo You can get it on the anchor app or you can subscribe in the normal way of podcast at daily tech headlines dot com Well twitter you've got so many problems But lately it's a spam bot problem now spam bot problems on twitter are not new But apparently recently there's been a big uptake and zak wittaker over at zed net Wrote an article trying to get to the bottom of why there has been an uptake in up tick rather in spam bots On twitter did not get any response from twitter about it But did find out that there's a romanian spammer named lorenchu chowchew That seems to in part be behind it The the plan is to create fake accounts following a dozen verified people and then have other fake accounts follow those fake Accounts that way they don't trip anti spam measures And then all of them eventually post a link to a page That is either taking you to something that pays per click or pays per sign up and makes money for the spammer This is this is this gives bots a bad name. It seems like yeah, of course it does I mean obviously for for years and years there's been this kind of battle between you know art bots and barts bots for good versus like The more insidious Bots or zombies or things that kind of you know run systems and wreak havoc But the twitter bot thing has been i mean i am intimately familiar with this because as someone who was on the suggested user list I you know i can easily say that probably 40 percent of my followers no offense followers who are real out there Are probably bots because i've looked at the follow list before and every once in a while if you actually look at the chart Of followers, they'll be like very drastic dips And I know that those are the periods when twitter is going through And scraping the bots out of the system They do like they clean up shop and once in a while. They'll just like kill, you know like 15 000 bots Um at an ago for me personally And so that's you know, they're aware that it's happening But I think one of the points that they make in the zd net article is that If they really do systematically go through and clean out all of them That's going to have a really big impact on the their their engagement numbers And the the people who are using the site and you know Some people are saying like you said up to 15 percent of twitter users right now are actually bots Yeah, that's an appalling number. That is a huge number of accounts That number comes from a study released in march by the university of southern california and indiana university Estimating between nine and 15 percent, but saying we're even being conservative There may be plenty of bots that don't trip our study because they're more sophisticated And and it's a really big problem and and it's the it's like this problem that nobody really wants to tackle And this this this spam king I mean, I've heard his name being thrown around for a long time because he's done stuff like this for ages But you know, it's a numbers game if he can get even a small fraction of people to click these links And sign up for these like weird dating services or or products or whatever he Happens to be shilling in that moment Then he can he can rake in a fair amount of money for very little effort So it just it comes down to a numbers game and he's winning And twitter itself and its sec filings has to put an estimate of how many automated Accounts that things are out there its latest estimate was 8.5 percent Now zack wittaker at zd net says Intimates the twitter isn't doing anything about this and and I think the fact that you occasionally see fluctuations in your follower account Belies that I think they have been doing it doing things about it, but they're not talking about it publicly The last post about anti spam measures came from august 20th 2014 on the twitter blog claiming a 40 percent reduction in spam But I don't know if that bopmaker program is still going Maybe twitter doesn't want to talk about it publicly because they don't want to tip off The spammers as to what they're doing what they're doing Which which could make sense, but You think they would at least come out and say no we have plans to fight this Maybe they would rather have better numbers on reducing spam and they don't have those numbers and that's why they're not talking It can also in in many ways like affect the overall ecosystem You know when there's brands that need high follower counts in order to Make advertising goals or you know, there's any number of reasons why you just get started, right? Sometimes if you have a high follower account you get more followers because people look at you as legitimate because you have a high follower account So there's there's a lot of reasons why people would want those numbers to appear high or appear inflated And you know just wiping out all the bots could could damage a lot of those potential relationships or advertising relationships potentially So I can see why maybe they wouldn't want to do that and and and also to your point, you know Tipping their hat and letting spammers know that they're coming after them Well, I mean they it's got to be a constant struggle of coming up with solutions And then spammers just figuring out what those solutions are and circumventing them Uh, it probably goes back and forth like that every week So I don't blame them for for trying to hide it, but at the same time like The amount that they're not talking about it is kind of weird Yeah If you are curious About whether a particular account is or is not a spam bot you can go to bot or not by truthy at truthy dot indiana dot edu slash bot or not and You can put in a screen name and it will give you a percentage Belief that this is in fact a bot. So let's go there I'm going to put in Veronica's name. Oh, I was doing mine And uh, let's see Apparently I have to authorize the application Yeah, you do Uh, well it's from the University of Indiana. So I'm gonna decide to trust it for now Okay, you are 37% likely to be a bot Fascinating. Yeah Yeah, I get those numbers too. Let's see what I am Uh, if I put in bot or not my network is I am less I am 35 chance to be a bot Why I wonder it's because of my network hashtag friends graph caps on rick and morty. What what's rick and morty speech recognition Giffy says SF giants, I don't know which I don't understand how there's a lot of data there to parse through if you're trying to figure out Like what it is that causes something to be considered a bot or not But here's the thing not all bots are bad There's a bot called every word that just posts a different word every day in an attempt to post every word in the english language to twitter That's harmless, right? There's a bot called tom merit That is my other twitter account That all it does is autopost when I post to tom merit dot com 49 chance that that's a bot. You know what it is It's all it is Let's see if what it thinks of bot wiki.org Is that how did what's the handle? bot wiki.org bot wiki.org or just bot wiki.org bot wiki.org Oh with the dot it's saying it's 39 percent human And it's also a bot. Well good for bot wiki.org then 39 It's like less of a bot 39 chance. It's a bot which is about the same as you All right Well folks We'll have links to all of that plus all of these other studies and everything in our show notes at daily tech news show dot com Thanks, everybody who participates in our subreddit helps us figure out what to talk about on the show Keep them coming submit those stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com Let's take a moment to look back across the pond as they say At nate and ian over at text message to find out the uk perspective on tech this week Thanks, tom we dove deep this week into news that the british prison service is setting up a task force For dealing with the problem of people flying drones loaded with contraband Interprisons a problem we learned is pretty global plus some intriguing proposals made by our local telecoms regulator Have us scratching our heads about what this all might mean for the future of broadband competition in our country All that are more out now at tech podcast dot uk good show. Thank you, nate neon Go check it out. Like he said tech podcast dot uk message of the day. I got a couple of them One is from someone who withheld their name But wrote in to note that as we suspected Performance is one of the main reasons companies don't allow customizable wake words On smart speakers things like the amazon echo google home, etc Another is security the amazon echo for instance listened specifically for a wake word before sending any audio to its servers Custom wake words would mean that the dedicated local hardware that does this would have to be updated And tuned for anything a user can change it to and again possibly result in false wake ups So they want it to work better And they don't want it to accidentally wake up and start sending something to the servers that it shouldn't be sending And marlin from trinidad noted that last year rishi chandra google's vp of product management implied that the google wake word Is much more embedded into its devices and back end systems than a simple chosen phrase Uh, so yeah, it does seem from a couple of sources here that the problem with the wake word is that you have to Have it be the same for everybody for it to be reliable and local Hmm Interesting you're seeing you seem skeptical. No, I'm not skeptical. I'm just I would like to learn more about this Yeah, no, they're there's good and uh, thank you name with held For sending your your inside info Thank you marlin Uh, we'll have a link to that register article that marlin was talking about with rishi chandra in the show notes as well And thank you veronica. Uh, of course Stories like what we had in your bot take today Can be found in your bot zine Yes, every week every monday a new issue of bot zine comes out We are about to hit a thousand subscribers. I know it sounds small, but I'm very proud of us Uh, you know for a very niche audience. It's very cool. So get in on there How many of them are bots zine.org? I don't think any of them are bots. Oh, that's good I mean, I'm I'm you know, don't quote me on that. I'm probably like I don't know what their twitter handles are so I can't go and search for them through using truthy Um, but yeah, it's it's really fun. 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We're live monday through friday 4 30 p.m Eastern alpha geek radio dot com and diamond club dot tv and our website is daily tech news show dot com back tomorrow with patrick beija talk to you then pants network Get more at frog pants.com You have enjoyed this brover Good show Yay That was fun talk Yeah, it was that was fun talk I talked I talked no more I'll talked out Good Is good talk, uh, I was really crappy on selecting the screens roger. I apologize I mean, I knew what I was looking at All right titles yes Cash don't leave home without it. I am a cash carrying guy. Jen does not understand why I do I carry cash Um, I'm about to say but we're not chinese Which would mean I mean by nationality not by Descent We we don't live in china. So therefore we don't need to we need to carry cash still Yes, uber in trouble for fingerprinting its users Uh spam dating sites don't call bronic on the phone Didn't I say that before the show? Yeah, I think I might have said before the show Twitter bots roll out Roll out Transformers no like transformers autobots. We got it. Okay. Hey Geez I didn't actually see he didn't get it. I'm trying to explain it to him bronica Now everyone had your youthful upbringing a larry page of hawking flying I think most people had a youthful upbringing at the very least I started as youthful people I was an old man as I was born old Tom knows me long enough until now that I've always been great Country you've gotten younger as you've gotten older Yes, ironically jolly jeepers golly jeepers president mushmouth This is the sound of my voice via computer lie But say we're Are you a bot or not? I mean it sounds sounds like something. Yeah, I feel like we've done something similar to that Uh to cash don't leave home without it I like I like twitter bots roll out with a little uh, I kind of like that too now that I don't get it You know, um With the kids just fixing the syntax a little bit there Oh you kids Actually, what's what's what's what's big with kids? I don't know if they had the really any cartoons that kids latch on the same way We'd lash out. What about what is your daughter watching on youtube? Isn't that the modern day equivalent is it because she just watches a guy that kind of resembles anthony carbony with orange suspenders running around Acting like an idiot. I mean, that's the modern day captain kangaroo right there Oh Why Pippi blippy. I thought it was blimpy before like the sandwich chain blimpy. It's blimpy blimpy blimpy What is blippy? Oh, that's the name of the guy. Yeah, blipp. I guess Look at me. This is really delicious We were talking about this the other day Mr. Me seeks See rick and morty Oh that thing that show is gold That's the best the best episode is the one with the aliens that take on the That you know like they they they impersonate they impersonate They impersonate like a character and then they put that character into your memory. So you think you've always known them Oh, yeah, that was yeah, and they're like like there's six of us Yeah, there's always been six of us. There's always been six of us I mean, oh, who's who is the one that's there? It's um Who's the extra one? Um That looks like there was a little guy. Yeah, he turned out to be real. Yeah, what's he what's he called? I can't remember Something the sock. I've always been here. Yeah I just remember the sass talking mr. Poopy butthole mr. Poopy butthole You know it so quickly Now I like the sass talking refrigerator The uh butler that resembled mr. Belvedere The leftovers is not a show for everyone it's in its third season on hbo But they did the best thing ever They just opened the show with the normal credits video for the leftovers, but played the theme song from perfect strangers Oh then And then had the guy Who played one of the brothers not balki the other one No cousin cousin larry the other play cousin larry Yeah, they had larry. That's right. They had that actor as a character in the episode of leftovers playing himself What? Yeah, it's so weird. All right. I gotta go. All right. All right. See you guys later. Bye. Thank you How do I close this? There we go. Bye. Bye Bye And she's gone So was scott like Twitter bots roll out Is that not how they say it? No, not like not like an announcer More it was a um a rallying cry Well I like it all the same Cousin yes cousin, not brother cousin Marklin baker. Thank you bio cow again bronson pincher He was in uh, brian pincher. He was he was in that martin scorsese movie that most people overlook, um after hours I never really watched Scorsese flicks. Well, no, no, I was going back to perfect strangers. I never really watched perfect strangers it's it it was Okay, the thing is comedy like that only for at least for me only works For a few episodes in Because it's it's always I mean the big the big thing is it's the fish out of water, right? It's the guy who's been Transplanted into a different culture and all the misunderstandings. It's just you know, it's I mean, I guess it just gets old after a while. Well when I was in my tweens, I guess, you know that 10 until 14 Era of your life. I watched all the sitcoms I watched mash and cheers and family ties and I would get the tv guide every Fall preview and just map out which of the shows I couldn't wait to see But then when I actually got into high school, which is when I think perfect strangers came along I didn't know I didn't have time to watch all the shows. So I still watched some But a lot of the new shows that came along then I was like I'm not gonna not gonna watch that, you know, it's weird is like I used to watch sit nothing But at least like adult TV. I would only watch sitcoms in the evening up to junior high And then as soon as high school hit Like we didn't have we had a really dinky TV because we moved to Modesto The other TV I didn't know where it was But the I just started watching like northern exposure and china beach because They were on the only channel that would come in clearly Like the three channels that would come in clearly into a little crappy TV The other thing about that era is I watched a lot of shows without seeing it every week Oh, yeah, there was not a feeling of like, oh, I have to catch up Right, you just watched you watched the Cosby show if you missed a couple episodes, no big deal Whatever, right? It was not I don't think there Is a modern equivalent of that other than broadcast sitcoms, which there still are mostly on CBS, I think Or modern family, I guess on ABC where you where you're like, oh, I'll just watch this tonight I don't care about catching up on it. Like we've totally become an obsessive culture of like no I must watch all all series from the beginning. I think part of it has to do with the fact that uh Sometime in the mid 90s, they started writing tv shows in a more linear Connected format. So you needed to be in like x-files. You know, you wanted to make sure you caught up on it And the vcr made that Possible I mean up until that point. I mean even shows like Dallas and uh, dynasty You could afford to miss a few because they would do enough to catch you up, right? They would overlap. So there would be a lot of repeating elements And they do big hefty. I mean, they still do this, but they do those big hefty previously on's Oh, yeah, they don't they don't really they kind of occasionally do that but like Um, all the all the dramas like on amc do that, but yeah, I still need that just to remember last week It's hard plots are so intricate But not just they're so intricate. Sometimes shows start to blur together because um, no long arcs says strike it rich Not sure if it's a statement to me or Well, then why did you read? Because he's because it's to me so I'm trying to figure um I think he's probably responding to something you said a couple minutes ago. That's I know it's like the one show I really appreciated the connected arcs was um Babylon 5 because they revisited a lot of things and buffing the vampires there Buffing the vampires there was my jam. I watched it religiously through college was my jam Twin Peaks Didn't last very long, but I Still I thought it was the only one that really watched the show that I came to We're so we're going to take tv and if you find out there's like at least six people Yeah, it was weird because Patrick was not one of them. He kind of poo pooed it until he watched it Till he's watching air back then too. Yeah, and he um I guess someone loaned him or he watched like a like a Netflix or something like a couple of tv's he got totally hooked Josh weeds the greatest Alrighty then Okay Well, thank you all For joining us. G peg says it's coming back on showtime Actually g peg not only did I know that but i'm doing an entire podcast called damn fine podcast about twin peaks We were rewatching the old one. I'm bringing it back to showtime. So go check it out Thanks everybody for watching. Thank you roger for producing Thank you veronica for co-hosting Thank you google for sending the bits