 Wir kommen zurück in unserem BitWash3 Studio. Ich freue mich einen neuen Gast ein, den wir eingeladen haben, euch vorzustellen. Ich bin hier auch mit Valentina, ihr habt sie vorhin schon gesehen. Ich bin Marc über das Acterior-Aktivität in unserer Open Science Lab. Sie mir schon seit Jahren daran einen Freund und Partner in Crime einzuladen, Adam Serecki, um auch bald hier vor Ort mit uns zu arbeiten. Wir haben also heute jetzt Adam Serecki eingeladen, einen kurzen Vorstellen zu machen über, was er so denkt, über Gene, über Leben, über Evolution, über den Menschen und so weiter. Er wird einen Workshop machen am Mittwoch um zwei Uhr, Bioinformatics Hack mit Adam Serecki, Random Gene Coding. Er wird ja eine kurze Vorstellung geben, was er euch erwartet am nächsten Mittwoch. Wir haben ihn eingeladen, Adam Serecki, er ist originally from New York, I think maybe from Woodstock, but he just recently moved to Portugal and we invited him live tonight through a Big Blue Button to give an overview of his kind of approach to genetics, to code, to poetry and performance, which is a little bit of a teaser of a workshop that we are planning on Wednesday at two o'clock. I'm really happy he's here, I think he just arrived. I see something in my screen, so we will share our Big Blue Button and we will mostly give the stage, or it's not a stage, it's a shed. Where do you live, Adam? I'm at Cultivamos Cultura in Sao Luís, Portugal, the outpost for bio artists provided by Marta de Manijes. It's fabulous. Will you shoot some kind of aerosols at me? Do I have to wear the mask? Oh, you might, because I have this vacuum, you know, but it's repurposed for my face. Okay. It's just clean air. I really enjoyed working with you over the last couple of years. I think it has been influential on how to do workshops, how to deal with kind of the topics of humanity and life and everything. I have a translator here, so she can translate everything you say in Russian, if you want. Oh, excellent. We will maybe, when you give a full head, I will maybe turn off my microphone and give you a time, if you just yell at me and I can come back to turn it on. Okay, and if I want to go to the slideshow, I just ... It's already there, in fact. It's there. Everybody, the whole world sees your slides. Okay, fabulous. So, are we a go? I think so, and we can even make the slides a little bit bigger, or maybe half-half, what do you like? Ja, whatever you think. Half-half. Ja, perfect. There you are. All right. So, well, I'm here to introduce the lab. This is a lab, and originally it was called DNA Dice. It's an icosahedron that I made out of laser printing onto an old sail of a boat, and I put all the 20 amino acids on each side of this icosahedron. The idea was to roll a random sequence of DNA and then try to find it inside of a bioinformatic database. And, you know, things are a little different now. I think, you know, ordinarily I would just like introduce, if we go to the lab, we'll introduce this sort of codec, which shows you how to make triplets. The triplets, if you can see them, are all the possibilities of A, T, G, and C, and that adds up to 64 triplets, but there's only 20 amino acids. So we have some kind of redundancy, which is similar to your hand. If you notice there's redundancy, there's extra fingers just in case you lose one, you still have another. The same goes for your nostrils. If you notice you have two eyes and two nostrils, because you can lose one and still see, it's fabulous. I love redundancy. It's part of life, anyway. But ordinarily, ordinarily I would do a hands-on lab, but what do we have here? We can't do anything hands-on these days because we can't gather in giant groups because of COVID. So instead of squeezing all kinds of goop through cloth and getting DNA out of it, we're just going to sort of look at what the lab will be without it. So, what I'll suggest is, although this is fabulous, you can sort of see that as you add a G and a T and an A or a C, you get valine, which is a V. These letters coincide with the alphabet. These letters could be anything. They could be pseudocode. They could be anything you want them to be. You sort of go around, if you make a letter, so what we'll do is we'll write sort of words and then we'll translate the words backwards, like reverse engineer them into DNA. And then we can search them online in a sort of Google database for what would you call it. Now, I would rather work with the DNA from pigs and cactuses and fruits and things like that. But we're going to do what we can. So, I want you to come, if you come to this lab, come ready with either a pen and a pencil or one of those fancy tablets or some kind of cell phone that you can draw with or we can draw online, whatever. It's a drawing lab. It's not that big a deal. There's a little bit of access to bioinformatics databases, but we will get there. Not sure. But in general, we're dealing with DNA. DNA is found in many places. Here's a rock that has worms on it, right? Big worms, little tiny worms. You see the little worms, all the kind of worms. These worms might have some DNA in them, even these little tiny worms down here. Oh, look at that little worm. Hello, little worm. Oh. So, instead of isolating DNA and trying to figure out what it is and maybe blowing it through microinjection into people's bodies, we're going to sort of have a dryer lab where we add up letters into A's, T's, G's and C's, which are these sort of like amino acids that we all use and sometimes use as sports accoutrements. And we're going to do other things than what we do generally with DNA, which is to kind of go through the difference between programming and programming life, right? I mean, we're looking at a text-to-flesh interface. Now, this lab, Marc and I did, this is a picture from when we worked in Moscow, where we gold leaf this apple with some DNA and nanoparticles of gold. And here in San Francisco, we went to the Swiss Embassy and we used the nanoparticles of gold mixed with DNA to blowgun shoot them into my balls. I don't think we're going to be doing this in the lab, but it is possible to take a sequence that you develop in the lab, get it sequenced with the DNA sequencer, print it and mix it with nanoparticles of gold. There's a protocol on how to use a blowgun to actually turn it into a gene gun, a biolistic device, and you too can shoot these little DNA particles into your balls or your ovaries, thereby making yourself potentially a giver of transgenesis. Well, that's nice. But right now, I did this DNA lab on a Zoom meeting in Halle, Germany, the other day, and it worked pretty good. Everybody was doing it in their kitchen, and it's not as fun, but it does work. What I would like to say is I'm putting these up to just let you know that if you make a triplet, say a C-A-G, it turns to O, one of the amino acids, and if you check down there, oh, that's Q, that's glutamine, right? So, I mean, it's fairly simple. T-A-C becomes Y, and that's tyrosine. And so you can just sort of stack up the letters. If you want to go the other way, you can spell something like T-A-D, TAD, and then that would be an alanine, aspartic acid starting with a threonine. And so this is sort of like briefly explaining how to turn text into a DNA sequence. But I want you to feel this because by showing you these graphics, you get the idea. And these are the redundancies again. This is glycine G, which is G-L-Y, but also these four triplets, like these four fingers, they all equal glycine. So that's my little intro to DNA. Obviously, these letters are completely arbitrary, except for the start codon, methionine, ATG, which is sort of like the beginning of every gene, and the stop codons. The stop codons, there's more than one, there's actually three termination or stop codons, which are also methionine, but they're TAA, TAG, or TGA. And that's the end of every gene. So it's almost like, I don't know, there's a capital letter at the beginning of a gene, and then there's punctuation at the end, whatever. So I'm just sort of getting this across to you with these graphics. But during the lab, we'll take words and then translate them to DNA. And then we sort of end up drawing the word and then looking for these DNA sequences in bioinformatics databases. Now, this lab, on the other hand, is brought to you by an artist. I'm a bi-artist. And so I kind of prefer to have my light swinging and say something. We're in Germany right now about mutation relating to craftwork, is it? So if you understand the reference. Mutations are non-sense, non-stop, technopop. OK, that was a really bad one-liner. Oh, so is that. That's a homelander from the boys in the garbage. Sorry, reference. Oh shit, here, more homelander. Sorry, just meaming. So I developed this icosahedron, icosahedron type of thing, and it's available as a PDF up on the wiki, the hackateria org wiki. And you can download it if you want to, and you can actually cut it out and make your own rollable die, because I'm interested in the relationship between random poetry and the random mutation that made us. Right, we're made of DNA, we're made of sort of text to flesh. And the text that makes our flesh is fairly random. That's why we're a little bit different from, say, a fish or a wolf, etc. Right, does that make sense? Yes, I'm just trying to help. And if you notice in here, there's we'll zoom in on this later, but there's mathine has the start codon and the three stop codon. So I made the start codon a capital letter and the three stop codons are a period, an exclamation point and a question mark. That is questionable in the world of science, but it's pretty other system. Here we go. So what I want to say is this is this is sort of well, this is it more detailed, right? Mathianine, the start codon is a capital letter. And then we have a period, TAA, the question mark, T-A-G and the exclamation point T-G-A. So, I don't know, I'm just trying to make sure that, you know, that some genes have exclamation points at the end and some genes have question marks at the end. That might not make much sense, but neither do genes. Actually, we're a mess, like we're not most elegant. We are a mess of like very, very, very unoptimized hard drives. Right. And that's all right. I'm like being a mess. I'm personally mess-friendly. Let's see if this slide comes up. Oh, so here's the lab, how we might have done it. Except for I can't click it. If someone can click that video, it's about 14 seconds. So if we don't get it, it's okay. But it's online, we'll go with it. So this is the place that we'll be going to. It's one of a few different bioinformatics databases that are public. There are private databases where the human genome is copyrighted and secured for pharmaceutical companies, et cetera. But this is the Blatt search genome. And you would take your sequence. We'll go there. It's online. It's at UC Santa Cruz. And there's another one, Mirror site in Europe. And you type your sequence in here, right? Your sequence here. As long as you click search all and all results, no minimum matches and hit submit. Or as if it was some kind of Google device, you could hit I'm feeling lucky and get the hit that it brings up for you. That's really nice. I like the reference. And then what it searches is the genomes that have been sequenced throughout the life world. So it searches through golden eagle. It searches through American alligator, the painted turtle, the garter snake, African clawed toad frogs. And there are labs that study all these animals and they took the time to sequence their genomes. So I know that the African clawed toad frog is called Xenopus. And albino Xenopuses are delicious, but don't eat the skin. It's kind of poisonous. They're called Xenopus because they have strange feet. They have five fingers on their back claws, but they only have three toenails. The others have no toenails. So that's strange. Well, whatever, whatever. They got the fugu fish, the stickleback, the tetradon. And what this search engine does is it searches for homologies, like something similar inside the organism. Some kind of sequence that seems like it relates to this particular gene on this particular chromosome in this particular tetradon. And after it searches, it finds basically like hits, like oh, like a search engine. And it says, well, well, number one, we found here in the third chromosome of yeast. That's pretty cool. And here it is in the some chromosome inside of the alligator. And this is the gene that has a portion of your text deeply inside of it. Now, I would say this is kind of cool. And as you go further in, it gets weirder and weirder, right? You get into like where your gene is on the chromosome. And literally you're dealing with an interface where you can zoom in, but instead of like imagery or websites, you're finding out more and more about where the gene is and what it does. And scientists are pretty cool. All these are clickable and interactive. And eventually they get to like the name of the laboratory that studies this gene and the name of the scientist that's in that lab. And sometimes it has their email. You can email them and say, hey, man, I wrote a poem and like I typed it into the genome search engine and I found your name. So like we're basically related, right? And that won't work, but it's worth a try. This is text driven generation of novel protein structures. This is the name of an article by Eugene Thacker that got me kind of going on this. It was early on before bioart even was a word. And he was talking about what can we do with biomolecular writing, right? And a lot of people take a text and put it into DNA and then think about sequencing it. A lot of people think about biobricks and synthetic biology, what we can do to, you know, stick a movie into an E. coli and retrieve it and find it to be all jaggy and kind of like corrupted because life continues to mutate even when you use it as a hard drive. I don't personally appreciate the idea of genomes being data. I don't really like that. I like them more as poetry to tell you the truth, but this sort of thing where you can go to BLAST or you can go to FASTA and look for homologies like similarities and try and find your poem inside an organism. It's weird because the idea is that you wrote a poem that's completely arbitrary, how you translated it into DNA. And then your arbitrary poem turns out to already exist inside of an organism. Unbeknownst to you, the poem had already been written by life. And so there's almost nothing you can say or nothing you can think that doesn't already exist in the genome of any myriad of organisms out there. This one was sent by Hubert just the other day through Mark and this is the sequence of the vaccine against COVID. And you can see there's C, A, T's and G's. I think that they translated some of the T's into some kind of Epsilon or something to freak out actually to freak the system. And he was sort of writing about this, which I find amazing. Okay, this machine is the interface between your keyboard and DNA. You literally type your sequence in and it's dumber than you think. There's four bottles, one of A, one of T, one of G and one of C. Literally bottles of, you know, like the different, it's sort of ridiculous. The base pairs are in there and like you, and there's a buffer and it just, the arm slides back and forth, it slides to A and then it slides to buffer and it rinses the A onto like a little tiny sphere and A hangs there and then you go to the buffer and it drops off any other A's and then you go to T and it hangs after the A and you buffer it. It's kind of like silkscreening or you know, I mean, it's really not that rigorous robotics. I think we, we're working on our own miniaturized one with Earth, right? So this is a DNA printer, but it's basically to me, it's a text to flesh machine, right? You literally can type a poem and then make it into something that's contagious. You know, that can be inserted into the genome of a living organism. That's messed up, but it's kind of interesting. Just to break, and I'll slow down, I realize I'm speaking a little too fast for a multilingual group. I have a short question, Adam. So with all that poetry that you already blasted through the blast search engine, what was some kind of weird thing or like that you found though, like the weirdest animal it ended up or maybe some, maybe anecdote from some person that you contacted. Well, this is kind of interesting. This is what we do with the lab, is we end up finding a gene, we draw the interface of the bioinformatics database and we draw the gene, then we draw where it is in an organism and then sometimes we find a scientist and we draw their face. One thing that we found was inside of a pituitary glander, inside of a Malaysian bass, so it was inside the brain, the gland in the brain of the Malaysian bass that helped to decide its gender. And then we found a scientist in Kuala Lumpur, who was studying this gene, who had put up the original sequence. And so I wrote to him, I haven't heard from him yet, but I'm waiting. But in the name of COVID, I wanna recommend this, this is just a vacuum cleaner with the top taken off and instead of wearing a mask, I think you might wanna just, if this thing sort of sucks in the air here and if you turn it on, it sucks in the air and it can blow clean air through a HEPA filter into your face. It looks kind of like this. See, this is pretty good. And if you have something like this, you can sort of like tuck it in your pants, and then just walk around with it in your face, you know, like, and then you don't really have to worry, you have filtered air. I mean, I feel bad for the people next to you because all your air is getting blown on them, but it's kind of a nice effect. I thought I just shared, creativity is everywhere, but you can try this at home. All right, there you go. So, in any case, back to the slideshow. So, we're looking at this Eicosahedron and like I said, all the amino acids are on it. The fact that they use Y or C or N has something to do with the name of the amino acid, they use 20 of the 24 US Alphabet, but I know there's other letters in German, but you could also add Umlaus. You can change some of the letters. I did hear like I changed this to Y or O, like so that there would be an O. But this is like, you know, there's a few different ones where I added letters, but I was thinking that actually the coders out there might wanna use pseudocode or things from C or C-sharp or Pascal or Java, whatever you're using, and just throw in some pseudocode and find a sequence and see what code it codes for or vice versa. So, this is sort of a back and forth. I like hanging out at RC3. It's pretty cool. I've been over to this little 2D world and it's been kind of fun. And so I just wanna sort of ground this and let me see if I can stretch the screen so I can read this. I put these a little close to the side, sorry. But I don't know how to say this. There's a lot more going on than I let on. I'm sort of lighthearted about this, but I'm gonna switch hats, right? Um, when it comes to adding genes to the testicles and ovaries of life, when it comes to making transgenic humans, I'm not really sure if I'm pro-GMO. In fact, I'm definitely not just pro-GMO, but I'm not really sure what it means to be the person that chooses the genes and to be the person that technically introduces them into another organism's reproductive genome, right? So, I mean, it's a little bit of a bother for me because I don't think we're just made of code. We can re-code genomes, but I don't think we're made purely of code. So I'm not sure what that leaves, but it's not a dry code at least. If you're trying to deal with things like re-engineering the human genome, you're kind of being a vampire. You're piggybacking on nature and that's okay, but you're kind of, as you bring something like immortality of your idea into the human genome, you're also making people into zombies, okay? So I just wanna sort of lay that down. I have a few more little points like that, like oh shit, I just don't give a single fuck about a homelander. Sorry, meaming the boys, that's just low brain. Low brow, sorry. So I guess the subtext of what I'm talking about is this guy, Dr. Heck, from Shenzhen, right? Who helped make Lulu and Naina, the transgenic twins. And he put a gene into them, into, he mixed it with the father's sperm and injected the sperm into the egg. And now they are born as the first official transgenic people with his own desires, with his own enhancements, right? And this is sort of assisted reproductive technology, but it's also a new kind of sex. So he kind of had sex with these babies before they were born. I'm not sure what I think about that. But, I have a present for you. Huh, all right, bring it in here, let's hear it. Look what I have here, I have a monk. Hahaha, that's a hackaterie mode, isn't it? No, it's to make your own crisper baby monk. Oh, that's excellent. So, I would say, yeah, I'm coming to get it. This is fantastic, I love Schwag. Hold on, I'm gonna breathe a little one second. I feel much cleaner. So, I don't know if you can tell, but we're talking about lots of different systems. We're talking about code, we're talking about language, we're talking about poetry, we're talking about DNA, we're talking about reproductive technology, like assisted reproductive technology. And we're talking about mixing all these systems with living beings, the trunk of an elephant and the tentacle of an octopus. It's a little bit hentai, and it's a little bit rock and roll, but it's also a little bit heavy handed. So, what I'm interested in getting across, especially at a conference where people code is how to engage playfully with bioinformatics, but also how to think about bioethics in terms of what it means to recode life. And basically this talk is just to get you interested in coming down and check it out, but also if you can understand that, I'm talking about synthetic biology and I'm talking about standard codes, like subroutines, embedding programs, even gene drives, but I'm also talking about keeping your mind adapt, adept and adapted to the relations, because it's not just like, do you think of yourself as just data processing? Do you think of yourself as somewhat cognizant? Do you think of yourself as a factory or is that a little bit irritating? It sort of matters to me, because there's a little bit of horror in every insertion of genes. It's not so hard with E. coli, but once you get to rabbits, you have to give some hormones and collect the eggs and kind of make them pseudo-pregnant and then alter the eggs and add some sperm and then re-implant them. It gets a little bit ... A little gorier than most code, right? Most code, you're not implanting eggs inside of the uterus of a rabbit. So what does it mean to do this kind of input-output, right? So I'm offering bioinformatics to open up the world and the map of the world of biodiversity. It's cool. And I'm talking about the search engines online and sort of the data dumps and different editing software and ways of data mining, ways of going from a text file on your computer to genetic engineering, to life actually carrying what you typed into the keyboard not just in its flesh, but in its balls, in its ovaries, in its babies, right? So like this multi-generational, organismic hack. The other thing, I talked to my wife, Deliva. I talked to her the other day and I said, well, I don't understand, what am I trying to say? And she said, well, all hackers, they may not know it, but hacking is always queer, right? It's different from your regular programming. You're trying to sort of like navigate and rebuild and I mean, hacking itself is a queer process. So I was pleased to hear that because it sort of helped me. It was a relief. Hacking genomes, hiding Cyphers in genomes, hiding MP4s in genomes, hiding programs inside of chromosomes is actually kind of, it has the potential to be like freaking a phone or you might produce some kind of really obscure secondary metabolite like a paste that you could rub on your forehead or something like that. Marc, do you have any forehead paste? I'm working on it. I have this thing going on at the moment. I'm gonna switch my hands back. I think you made a fantastic point about this like queerness of that we are able to do, like using genetic code. A lot of discussion, in fact, if I listen to like your whatever beginner humanist discourse, oh, I can live forever. It's not such a queer idea and there's like rumors that this has been promised by many peoples before and they built churches around it. So I think that the queerness of even looking at the DNA, it all looks queer. If you look close enough at the genetics at whatever life itself, it gets so queer. I think it's something that's missing out a lot in this kind of GMO debate. It's very true. I know that kangaroos have seven nipples in their pouches and each nipple makes a different milk. So the embryos from the kangaroo are not even formed. They kind of stump their way up into the pouch and then they suck nipple one. And when they grow to a certain point, they suck nipple two and they just go down the line until they're joes. It's kind of sweet, but it's a little bit obscure. I remember dissecting a snail the other day. It's queer and we love it. And I think a lot of the love of life is exactly its queerness. And it's pretty much the opposite of a lot of the synthetic biology talks, huh? Yeah, and there's so many other things in perfectionism. There can't be only one way to become perfect. There has to be multiple ways. And as I now understood the experiments we're going to do together on Wednesday, whatever weird shit I can come up with, I will find it already. And it's even weirder, because it's part of a bigger weird animal that does have seven nipples and kind of grows babies out of its backside or something. Yeah, I'm really looking forward to this. Do you want to turn everything into Russian? Okay, in Russian. A small question. Thank you very much for your presentation. I'm not a biologist. I'm sociologist, but my question is DNA information always as a sequence format or not. The sequence and DNA information is always together or not. Well, that's a really good question. Some genes are all over the place because over time they've gotten fragmented. Like, that's why the singularity, people want to optimize our genetic and blood drive. I would say that once things are translated, that there's alternative editing that goes on. And different shaped proteins come from one gene. Also many genes don't get called. They don't get called on the telephone unless you drink milk or someone slaps you in the head or you go cross-eyed. Different genes express, according to the outside environment. So they're not like just running on empty. They're not just running all the time. They need to be, if you hear a bird call, different genes are expressed inside of your body. And if you don't hear the bird call, then those genes won't express. As far as the sequence, there's a lot more going on in life than DNA. Some people call this gene fetishism. In other words, there's things going on in the cytoplasm. The intercellular matrix outside of the cells, people have ignored it. I think it's called extracellular matrix, just to be a sheet-wise. Yeah, extracellular matrix is like ether, but it's not empty. And this junk DNA that people have been calling junk for so long, turns out to have a whole lot of things going on inside of it. It's not, it's the good junk, you know. You know what Valentina has been doing, she's using, I would say, there may be also one-dimensional or two-dimensional tables of data. And she's putting them into the third dimension as a kind of creating and also kind of as a performative and also experimental approach to visualize something that is, it is just numbers that are on a table, but she puts it in 3D. And I think the DNA is even weirder. It is kind of numbers called them letters and they're like behind each other, but then they're also, you know, as you say, distributed all over this kind of string, but then there's many of those strings and they even like mesh together, like in the most crazy way we can't even imagine. Yeah. And somehow it's tertiary or three-dimensional structure and there's like some time zones even there, how these molecules wiggle and they kind of influence a little bit like that. And I think we're beyond this kind of linearity. It's totally cool. I think I have this feeling that I looked, when I look at a cell, I see this endoplasmic reticulum and that's like where the proteins hang out while they're getting into their folded, you know, sort of positions. And proteins are actually moving and they're hanging out in the endoplasmic reticulum and if you look at it, it looks exactly like where I would want to have a rave. Like all the sofas are different shapes and sizes and they look soft. And I'm like, they're just hanging out together like sort of doing dancing. Yeah. And I mean, there's that. And then, you know, the essence of life seems to be all the mistakes that happen along the way. So you can have all kinds of sequence data, but those syntax errors come from actually the machinery malfunctioning, like having hiccups in the middle of translation. Those hiccups are what made us more than once, like unicellular creatures. Like it's what designed the nose. It's where all the biodiversity of the world comes from. And then a photo comes. Yeah, like dancing and wiggling at the photo comes and they kind of break one leg over the other side and suddenly like you could grow like two eyes. No, we already have eyes, but a third eye. A third, second eye. I'm gonna have to breathe for a second. Hold on. That's some heavy shit. I think that was fantastic, Adam. I'm really looking forward. We will have one or two people in our open science lab over there to join physically with the computer and also do the drawings and stuff. Yeah, I'm gonna use this kind of Blickblue-Button as well. It's announced in the program. It's like the Hectoria Blickblue-Button thankfully established on the digitalic sales shop. So even people without a ticket can join our workshop. They can check on the website Hectoria.org or something, it's all published there. So I mean, the important thing is to remember that we're drawing, right? It might be on a tablet, it might be on your phone, but that we're drawing, we're gonna draw our poems, but we're also gonna draw the interface, like the bioinformatical interface, but we end up drawing, also if we can get into it, we draw the gene, we draw the part of the organism it's in, we draw the organism and we even draw, if we can, we draw the lab or the scientist that it comes from. And then we end up with this drawing, that's all these drawings at once. It's kind of a hybrid of its own, which is showing that there's very little difference between literature and genes, but also that there's room for thought about what the role of poetry is in the development of life. So that's important. The other thing for people out there that are really, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Really into coding. Yeah, yeah, I know. Can we make like a Trojan horse or some kind of like, can we hack the genome in a different way? Because people are really like, ooh, can I put a poem in an E-Kolei? And I'm like, can we make a kind of, if we're hacking the genome, can't we make something like a Trojan horse? Like a, I'm not talking about making our own virus, but maybe put a virus in the virus. It's old fashioned, but I like it. It's fantastic, I'm looking forward to it. Okay, well, this is it. I'm gonna say good night and I'm gonna sleep better for having done this. But I look forward to seeing you at the lab. Everybody come. I want that together. Thanks a lot, man. You deserve the mug. You'll get the mug. Make your own crisper babies. Ciao. Hey, guys. I think, yeah, I'm looking forward both to the workshop on Wednesday at two o'clock. But I'm also really looking forward to continue this collaboration. So he will come physically to Zurich, hopefully in March or April. And we kind of can then do some laboratories here, do some experiment and learn kind of to make what he just said, this kind of weird poetry Trojan horse kind of dinosaurs. I have sad news for you, Adam. I say goodbye to you there, let I put on the camera. But the other people don't even see you anymore. So they already said goodbye to you. That's fair. Was there more than anything you can see around, maybe we can hang around in our work adventure on the island or chill a bit in the lab or we could ever go to the lobby and be like ants. I'll meet you on the island, man. Sounds good. That was fun. Much well done. I look forward. All right, signing off for now, Mark. Take care. Ciao.