 good to go. Okay. Good morning. This is a convening of the Massachusetts Gaining Commission for one of our agenda setting meetings holding this meeting virtually saw take roll call attendance. Good morning, Commissioner O'Brien. Good morning. I am here. You know what, I realized that maybe Commissioner Hill may not have yet point. Commissioner, I'll go to Commissioner. Yeah. Good morning. Good morning, Commissioner Maynard. Good morning. And we'll just hold for a second. Mr. Hill might be just having some challenges joining us. What I can do is start up. I guess I didn't realize he had not joined. We'll see if I can just. There he is. And Commissioner Hill. Are you present? Yes, I am. Excellent. Thank you. And we've checked in with Commissioner Skinner, who's joining right now just on our video. She'll join us in video a little bit. And then Commissioner Maynard's all set. We'll get started. But today is Wednesday, May 10th, and it is public meeting 145, actually. We recognize and give Grace some credit here just in terms of reviewing our documents and the minutes that we were off on. And we needed to reconcile that. So Grace and Ian Yang will take care of that for us. The minutes were right and our just starting numbering was a little bit off. Okay. So call this meeting to order and we have some minutes. Yes, Madam Chair. I move that the commission approve the minutes from the April 24th, 2023 agenda setting meeting that are included in the commissioner's packet subject to any necessary corrections for typographical errors or other non-material matters. Second. Second. Thank you. Everybody have a chance to review? Okay. Hearing no edits or comments. Commissioner O'Brien. Aye. Commissioner Hill. Aye. Commissioner Skinner. Aye. Commissioner Maynard. Aye. And I vote yes. Five-zero. Thank you, Ying. Okay. Moving on then to our agenda planning process. We have the upcoming meeting schedule that everyone can take a quick reference to as we go along. But our next full public meeting is May 16th. And it looks like it's going to be a one minute please. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. A good one. We have started administrative update, Karen. Yeah, we can just keep that on. I don't know if this is an administrative update issue or you want a separate agenda item, but the governor has rescinded executive order 595. I think that goes into effect May 11th. So that will, you know, it begs the question, just the commission as a body want to adjust their policy on COVID, both the vaccine requirement and what the rules are for guests coming into the office. That also ties into what the commission plan is for using the public space, if you want to resume public meetings. So these are all, these are all issues that are tied together and we want to consider putting that on the agenda when convening the commissioners. Commissioners, how would you like to proceed on that? We adopted a policy. Commissioner O'Brien, you were part of that working group. How would you like to proceed? It is. So I think what might be helpful is if we get a refresher on what the current status is in terms of what other requirements that we put on visitors, et cetera, coming in, and then we have a conversation about, I think it's bifurcated, right? It's people that are coming in, what are we dropping everything? And then also the question of what are we going to do meetings going forward? I think it's a separate question than people coming in. I know we can't discuss it here, but Tripti has done a whole bunch of research on what we have and the status. She can update on that. She can also update on what her research has been done for the executive branch and what their rules and requirements are. I guess I would also like, could we, could we see what the policy was, the fulsome policy that was adopted for COVID and not just on visitors? For the MGC? That would, OK, OK, yes, yes. No, that would include, I know. Anything that's written the whole policy, right? I mean, because yeah, because we had a vaccination requirement and that sort of thing, which we may or may not want to drop, right? So I think getting an update on the requirements for staff and visitors was a good jumping off point. And then we can have that conversation. I actually would, if we just concentrate on vaccination and not look at the whole policy, I kind of feel like I think it might be helpful for everybody to see what our COVID policy. Oh, no, I just did that as an example. I agree with you. If we see it as sort of there's the in there's the inward facing and the outward facing. I just threw the vaccination out as an example of something we may as an example. Got it. So Karen, is that how to just bring it? What we what was decided? What was adopted? There was a working group for those who weren't here that I I asked two commissioners were on it with members of the team and their recommendations made that extended beyond the vaccination. So that's what I'm getting at. I think it warrants a good discussion. I know that the 16th is going to be busy. Grace, is there another day in the future that we can maybe recommend in commissioners? We would just be a little bit behind the administration that works for you, Karen. Whatever days for the commission we can do. Just today's date. I just said it. The 10 tomorrow is the administration. We're going to be behind in any case. Yeah, we could add it if we added a little bit of time to the 22nd meeting, which is the community implementation application for transportation applications. And we also added on MGM's quarterly report to that last agenda setting meeting. So if we extended that meeting, I'm pretty missed. I don't know if we can have it on then, certainly. Joe, what are you thinking of in terms of how long is that meeting going to be? I only think we're going to be at least a couple of hours on the applications, you know. And then we got, you know, say a half hour for the MGM quarterly. We have four hours right now, which hopefully is enough for applications and the quarterly report. Yeah, I mean, I'm hoping that should be more than Attica because we're going to be doing two by twos on all of these. So I think the commissioners will be well briefed on the applications. Okay, Karen, it may make sense to at least try to address that that day. One more second. Yeah. That's fine. I think it's important. And we can get together and just figure out the materials for the packet. Just so I have everyone and I have everything for all the commissioners who will be reviewing this, the vaccination policy for employees and our guests, our other two items and our current vaccination policy, correct? And also it'd be helpful a memo to summarize what the executive branch rules are now. Okay. The commissioners get that as a point of reference, please. Thanks so much. Sure, I just wanted to make sure I had what everyone was looking for. Well, on any COVID related rules. Steps that we've taken as an agency. That was adopted by the commission out of that working group. And that we, yeah, anything that's COVID related, Trukia, may just read those two that you said. Right. There are things that tie into that. And actually the HRD just sent out a memo which stated things around job descriptions and parts of the offer letter. And those are things that we've implemented as well. So I'll share with you all the things that we've done so that way you can make a decision. Thank you. Okay, great. All right. Anything else you want me to manage to update Karen? No, that's it. So yeah, so we don't need to have anything particular for the 16th to save some time. Well, my speaker is defaulting again as it seems to have, does at least once a meeting. There we go. We'll have meeting minutes perhaps, Judy. I don't know if she's on. Yeah, we're gonna have meeting minutes from November 29th, 2022 and December 1st, 2022. Great. I say we have a lot of minutes coming your way, folks. Thank you, Commissioner. All right, and then let's just say to update. We're gonna hear from Commissioner Hill and Greg from Beacon Hill that relates to the game. We lost you for a little bit. I'm having trouble hearing. Yeah, you're cutting out again. Nothing has changed on the speaker. Now we can hear you. Okay, it's my speaker, I don't know why. Okay, so not working again? No, you're good. No, no, we're okay. All right, it's telling me all kinds of things. So we'll have a legislative update on everything that's happening on Beacon Hill that relates to the gaming commission in some way. Pretty much a high level discussion at this point in time. And then if there's any action items you and Grace will coordinate, Commissioner. All right, we have a bunch of regulations scheduled and I understand perhaps too that you wanted to add another one legal. And I think Grace was perhaps getting concerned about time. So Grace, did you have a chance? I know it was literally five minutes before this meeting started to speak with anyone from legal. I think Caitlin and I connected and so legal is gonna be adding 222 back to this agenda as well. So we have five regulations on if we, I think we're pushing up against five and a half hours for this meeting. And it seems that we could if we wanted to have a separate regulation meeting the following week, if we wanted to just do regs on that its own meeting. So not to pile on, but I was talking to Caitlin and Mina yesterday and they reminded me of something that was in the minutes we just approved, which where I brought up the concept of the winner lose language that cropped up when they took out the risk free, no risk from the ads. And I did wanna have us have a conversation about making sure our intent is covered in the reg. We didn't write it to say, if you don't say risk free, you're good. But things like win or lose may run afoul of what we intended. And so I did, apparently April 24th and since 256 is coming up, I would love to have that conversation with legal too. Yeah, and we had that down as a notation commissioner because I think we had this discussion before that maybe the language needs to expand to intent and not just the word. So to your point, I'm gonna turn back to Grace and legal. I forget, so that would be in the advertising, 256. 256 is on this list, so that's not adding on. That's the good news, it was contemplated. How is the timing for legal Grace if we did push this over to a separate? Does it work for them? Yes, I don't believe anything was contemplated enough that it couldn't wait a week for it to end. Yeah, nothing was up for a final vote, so we don't have sort of those deadlines for any of these. I wouldn't wanna push them off too far just because we'll start backing ourselves up. We have a bunch of regs coming on June 1st or we're planning to come on June 1st. So happy to move these two and other data if necessary, but again, just don't wanna back them up too far. Okay, but 256 is already final, correct, Caitlin? Yes, and the one thing I'll note about 256 is we can bring back sections of it, so we can bring back, you know, 01 and not the whole regs so that we don't lock the whole reg up as necessary. Yeah, 01 is the section that Commissioner Brown's mentioning. That might be helpful to bring up on the 16th because of somewhat of a sense of urgency around that discussion. That, Commissioner O'Brien, I think is what you were getting at in terms of timing, right? All right. So I apologize, just for our planning purposes, are we taking the regs off of this or are we just gonna see how the meeting goes and then decide at the end? Let's decide at the conclusion of revealing through 12, okay? See what else we are necessities, but I would say for right now, certainly 205, CMR 256 is a necessity, at least with respect to 01, all right? The delegation authority, we need to adjust that. Commissioner Maynard, Commissioner Hill and Dr. Lightbound. We were gonna make a two-part discussion. I think it's okay that it's become a one and I think Liga was gonna maybe memorialize your discussion in some kind of a document for us. How are we doing on that? I think that we're ready whenever it fits the calendar, right? We got bumped that day, but I think we're ready. Okay, great. East Broadway expansion, that would be the discussion on priorities, Joe. You'll be ready? We should be all set with that. We'll have sort of that laundry list of issues that we wanna talk about and see what we wanna get from Encore as part of any application. Okay, and yesterday I did catch up with Joe because we've identified for the public hearing, because we, Commissioner, remember, we thought that maybe a second might be warranted. You know, it may be that not many attend because in fact, we did broadly broadcast that our first public hearing, but some people missed it. So we're gonna do a virtual, and June 6th was identified, right? June 6th, yep, during the lunch hour, lunch hours. During the lunch hour, like 11.30 and 1.30. So Joe and Todd discussed whether or not it would work to have the public hearing after this meeting scheduled for the 16th. And it was agreed that that would work just fine. In fact, we might get some intelligence about even our June 16th meeting. Yeah, I think they can work in parallel. They don't have to be sequential. Right. So we'll go forward with number six, Encore expansion. All right, anything else on that? Nope. Okay, and then you've got MGM and PPC's quarterly report. And actually that's Encore and PPC. That was my mistake. I had the wrong, so it's Encore and PPC. Yep. Encore, okay, got it, no problem. Yeah, MGM had a couple of internal conflicts, so we moved them out to the 22nd. I remember now. Okay, then they'll be ready though. Yes. All right, then we have an item eight, local skinner and Derek, commissioner skinner. I don't know if you're able to hear, but it'll be all set for the third quarter budget update next week on the 16th. We will. Commissioner Skinner? Okay. We will. Okay, excellent, thank you. All right, we've got sports wagering. Yes. Cheryl is out and Crystal are at Metal Land learning a bunch about sports wagering, that's good. Yes. He will be ready for both item nine and 10. Great, okay. And then we've got Bruce, the fanatic certificate of operations, but they'll be all set. They'll be all set, yes. Goodness. Okay, and then we have schedule and Marianne. Good morning. Good morning. We're all set. You're all set, and that would require an executive session. Mm-hmm. So nothing dropped off on legal, but commissioners, let's consider our calendars. Do we, I don't know how people feel about that particular day, but if we want to go on in and get everything done that day, we certainly have had longer than five and a half hour meeting. So I just wanna check in with you. It may not even be longer than five and a half hours if we did all those regs, but I wanted to just check in should we rather than pushing it down to just make another meeting, either the 21st, 22nd, or 23rd will end up being lengthier. So. Are we talking about June 1st? No, no, we're talking about May 16th. So I'm not attending, but I know an alert went out about some event. I think Boston Chamber event that night. I'm not attending, but I didn't know if anybody else was. You might be bumping up against a need for someone to get out on the seaport. It's the Chamber of Commerce Annual Meeting that night. Yeah, starting at 4.35 o'clock. Yeah, that's okay. I'm not going, I just didn't know if anybody else was. I was not planning on it. Yeah, I'm fine with an extended meeting on the 16th. Yeah, and the other one is a big kind of dinner event. It's not such a speaker thing. So we will hopefully not be that late. Okay, so, Grace, we're gonna stay with it. We're gonna stay with it. Okay, so, Caitlin, let's plan on all five. Sounds great. 256.01, okay, could we leave it? Sorry, and just to be clear, it's not, I don't think it's actually 01. I was just using an example, but I'll make sure that Grace has the right sections for the agenda. Oh yeah, the third part uses 01. Yeah, so whatever section it is on the language. I think we've received some input from some stakeholders through the media and Elf's and other ways, other platforms that Mills has been collecting that might be helpful, Caitlin to make sure we can address that Mills has some materials that might be germane to this discussion. So if you could check in with him as you prepare for. In what I might say then, just given that these are some additional thoughts and a pack of materials are basically due today, maybe we can have sort of an initial conversation. The 16th and then any actual edits can come at a future date. I'm good with that. Commissioner O'Brien, you're fine with that? Then we could roll over that one to adopt it, but I think the discussion alone is warranted and timely to have it on the 16th. Thanks. Okay, so grand return to the next meeting is May 22nd. Administrative update, we've got some minutes that will come through probably. I don't know if there's anything particular, Karen, for you on that, but now that is the COVID update will be that. That will be it. And then we really are dedicating this meeting to Chief Delaney. Yeah, so community mitigation fund, we'll be ready to go. We actually changed things around a little bit. We will not be doing transportation on the 22nd. We're gonna be doing some of the other categories, but we were still waiting for a couple of responses back and we had to keep some coordination with MassDOT, so we've shifted things around. But we'll be doing two by twos on Monday, so everybody will get a briefing on the particulars. Okay. And then I think the MGM quarterly report, I'm wondering if we shouldn't put that right up front rather than having them. We don't know exactly how long the Community Mitigation Fund applications will go and it might be good to just get them in and in and out. Yeah, in the order of the agenda setting, never dictates the order of the agenda. Right, right. Yeah, so Grace will check in on that. Good. Is there anything else we need to add? Matt, Chair? Yes. I kind of, with the volume of things have been coming at us with sports wagering, I'm kind of requesting that sports wagering become a standing item that we could opt out of if we have nothing in the meetings going forward. We've just been getting changes to the house rules on a pretty regular pace. I don't think at this point we have anything for the 22nd, but my guess is we probably will get something, it might be a small item or something like that, so just to be safe, I would like to have something reserved for the sports wagering division. Yeah, so we don't have an agenda setting meeting between now and the 22nd. I think, you know, Bruce and I talked, you know, I think at agenda setting meetings it makes sense to address whether there would be something, but we don't have one between now and then. So I think, Bruce, if you have something in particular, the agenda would need the specifics. Yes. Or it would be included in the agenda, if you just work with Grace and Kathy for the 22nd, and then at agenda settings, we can just make a notation, show us, check on the sports wagering, does that make sense? Yes. So we'll have sports wagering on our agenda setting as a standing prompt, right? Right, yes, yes. Yeah, and then, you know, when something comes up, you know, working with Grace and me is the best way and then we can be as responsive as possible. Yes. When we understand your pain, that's for sure. Yeah, it's clarifications need to be done or house rules. It just seems to be steady flow at this point. Yeah, but for agenda, just to Karen's point, we have to be specific anyway, so just we'll, you know, we'll have it. Yes. Okay, thank you. You're welcome. Okay, anything else? Commissioners or team for the 22nd? I have a couple items that would be ready on the 22nd if you want to put them on the 22nd. So first, there's a non-compliance matter involving a category three sports wagering operator, draft King's notified director banned on March 23rd that it had accepted wagers on an unapproved event for a period in March. And the IEB did review the incident and prepared a written summary of the review that is available for you. And in keeping with the process that you've established, the thought was to provide you with the summary and allow you to discuss it at your meeting to determine how you want to proceed. That's fine. I don't know if we've established that process. It's come in different ways before the non-compliance came to us and then we asked IEB to review. If it's going to be coming through Bruce and Bruce makes that decision, we just need, I think the commissioners would want to have, we're waiting for that process. I think that legal is developing. Yes, that's correct. Darrell counsel Grossman has that at least a draft and he's finishing up that draft. So that would be presented to the commission for your approval on the process. In this case, it sounds as though draft King's made a self closure. So the only reason that we need to understand the process is for purpose of public discussion. It means that the public and the commissioners hear about the disclosure a little bit later than they would have heard when it first came in. So that's a matter for the commissioners to think about whether it managed to us or not. Commissioners, is there anything you want to weigh in on or to help on the process? Should we just wait for the draft to come? I think in the other ones, if you would call that came to us directly and then we asked on eB to review, this case came to Bruce, Bruce asked on eB to review, so. I guess the only thing I would want is an alert to us that a self disclosure came in, almost just like a docket entry or docket list so that we know, so that if something, if we do say we want to advance this ASAP, we know. I think in general, coming through that way makes the most sense, but I would love us to be able to have some sort of running lists so that if we as a commission get together and say we want to jump this one up, that we know it's out there. And again, that's because 23N is different than 23K. That's the only way to describe it. So Bruce, it's a little bit of an adaption from what you're used to under gaming. God, commissioners, were you weighing in or just coming in? Okay. Good morning. Mr. Hill, commission Maynard, any thoughts on? It's probably helpful at this stage to know when self disclosures are being made, like that idea. I mean, okay. And your next item. The next item is that the IEP can update you on a recent civil administrative penalty that was assessed under an agreed protocol with MGM Springfield. So we've recently executed a matter and our protocol has been that we've updated you publicly and we'd be prepared to do that. I think it will probably be about a 20 minute discussion. Okay. And you're coordinating that with Mills. Correct. Okay. Anything else from the team for the 20 seconds? How are we doing on time, Grace, if you have a guess for that day? So we, it was a short ends meeting. Given that it was originally just for the see my publication review. So we have about four hours now. I would say we would need another hour tacked onto that to get through both of IEP's issues and the public executive order. So we have the time to add on that Monday if it is okay with commissioners. So I want to make sure I heard correctly. Did you say that it would, it will work to accommodate most commissioners and would we have any extra time if there were another item? I couldn't quite hear. Sorry, my speaker. No, Trudy, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it would be fine to add an hour to that meeting on the commissioners calendars. And we would need to add additional time to get through all these items. And add another hour to get through just what we just went through. And if we added another item, we might need another half an hour or so. One issue that has come up that Karen, I believe you're ready to take one portion of the discussion. This is on the discussion around promo play and policy. A majority of the commission decided that there was discretion in the interpretation of the law that allowed, or there was the ability to give through the interpretation of the law that the commission would have discretion on whether promo play expenditures were tax deductible or not. Karen, we gave Karen a list of items to attend to. It occurred to me that it might make sense to do it a little bit piecemeal in order to make sure that we weren't having Karen jump through hoops unnecessarily. So you have a comprehensive report Karen from IRSN, is that right? Yeah, they actually broke it down into two. I was actually very impressed with what they put together, very helpful information. I think CFO Lennon's meeting with them today to review it as well. And so the only issue is some of the information which has really helped to put it in context. It's helpful in the promo play issue. It's also helpful, I think, just for the commissioners in understanding how the business works. They really had some good insight, but they have identified that on both their presentations, there's information in there. I don't think confidential is the word, but would be potentially appropriate for an executive session as opposed to public discussion. So I have the slides, they've identified which slides. I need to just have legal review that. If you'd like to do that kind of briefing by RSM, I think most of it probably would have to be done in the executive session, but legal give some further advice on that. So we could do that on the 22nd or on the 23rd. We have the adjudicatory hearing in the afternoon on PSI, is that correct, Caitlin? And Grace? That is actually not going to be on the 23rd. There's potentially going to be more paperwork in this case than in the normal cases or regular cases. So they're asking for an early June date. And so I'm working on that. I'm disappointed. I'll tell you that I wanted this to get resolved faster. I wanted it to get in front of us. I'll just put that on the public record. My name's not in your head. We asked for these to come in front of us promptly. I've gotten increased from the public, from outsiders. And I did ask for that. We attended to quickly. I know we gave an extension. I didn't know that we gave another extension. Well, I'll just say right now, we haven't. We were, we could still keep it on the 20. I believe we could still keep it on the 23rd, if necessary. It might be a push. Is that for them or for us, Caitlin? Just make sure I understand. Both given potential filings they may make. Like that. Yeah. And then our response, okay. Yeah. And just as a housekeeping matter, that hold was till four in the afternoon on the 23rd, but I have a hard stop at three. So I can start earlier than what the hold is, which I think is that noon, but I have a hard stop at three that day. Yeah. Thank you. I'm assuming there might be somebody has something in the morning because it's a noon start. Right. That's what I figured. Yeah. So Caitlin, do you remind me when that first came to us? It was, I don't have it off the top of my head. It was a little while ago. Yeah. May have been March. Yeah. See, these came in in March. It's May now. And I was really, I think that the issue that's in front of us on that will help inform our operators and us on a critically important subject there. We do, we have the pre-hearing conference in the case tomorrow. I'm not sure if that's helpful at all. I could report, I could report back after that. I was wondering if that's done, right? Caitlin, that's good progress. So let's see. So let's look. So it's going to be, we hadn't marked up for the 23rd and what day were you looking at in June? I think they were, I just got the email a couple of days ago. They were looking at, they were asking about early June and I had not yet connected with Grace and Trudy on that. Caitlin, is there an interim date where they are submitting material? And so that sounds like that's the issue that they want more time to submit something and then we have to respond to whatever they submit, is that the issue? That's exactly right. So we're going to have the pre-hearing conference tomorrow where we'll have a better sense of if and what they're going to submit, which would then require them to actually submit it, the commission to review it in advance of the actual hearing. Okay. So it sounds as if there hasn't been a deadline for them to give you the information because our legal team needs time to, it's not fair. We did have an earlier date set, Karen, and there was a request for a continuance based on somebody's personal professional schedule and we gave it. So there was a, and so I think perhaps once there was attention given to it, they've learned that maybe there's more paperwork involved that they may not have anticipated. So it sounds like it's getting pushed down. Commissioner's, are you okay with it going into June? But Trudy will work her magic to do so. Fishers, are you okay? Commissioner Maynard, thoughts? Commissioner Hill. No, I'll set. That's a tough question. And I can see Commissioner O'Brien's face too. Check out at the grocery store and they say, is this dollar amount okay? And you're like, wow, it is what it is. I mean, if we can't stop procedurally some of the things that are happening, I understand. But like, if I want it on the record that, I want this taken care of in short order and it will have to be okay. That's kind of how I'm feeling too, right? You know, none of us are jerks. None of us is a jerk. But, you know, this does, as Commissioner Maynard points out, it will help informer where we are on these matters. It will probably informer Reg, and it will send, you know, some good information to the industry in general. Commissioner Skinner, Commissioner O'Brien, I'll set. All right, Trudy, work your magic. We thank you for all that you do, Trudy, to accommodate this busy schedule. And to the legal team, we understand. All right, so that frees up that afternoon. Why don't we do a promo play in the Arsene presentation. It'll be mostly an executive session to the early afternoon. Madam Chair. Yes, Commissioner Maynard. Could that be, just in case, could that be part of the public session too and potentially marked up as a vote? Yes, yes, it could definitely go in and out. I would take care of it that way. But now we have that time, noon to three, it sounds like grace, right? No, noon to three. We could accommodate a public discussion, go into executive session and then return. Just like we did, I think, Karen, we learned a lot about the business from our Arsene and our executive sessions before. So I suspect some of it will be new, some of it will be very fresh or so. I was also asking because, Madam Chair, sorry. I was also asking because we've received additional information during this time too, right? And so I'm a little more informed than I was the last time we had this conversation. Okay. And in terms of any additional information, commissioners that you want to be included, now would be okay time to say if you want any report from anybody on the team, for the promo play, you know, Derek or others, we do have the RSM, my position is very clear. I don't think, you know, and I'm on the record, I think the law dictates that it's not taxable. I mean, that it is taxable and not deductible. So I will let those who voted differently from Commissioner O'Varie and me decide what you want. Well, can I actually? Yeah. I voted the same way, I'm the same mind, but I believe there's a responsible gaming impact on that choice as well. So in terms of if this is a discretionary choice on the part of the other three, I do think, Karen, from Mark's group on this and the impact of removing taxation on promo plan, what it does to advertising an RGA I think is part of this conversation. Right, Commissioner O'Varie, I appreciate you're helping our colleagues figure out the policy development. But yeah, I think the three, you know, when you're thinking about the discretion, certainly RGA issues. Is there anything else for those? Madam Chair, I'm going to try to be very careful on what I do, because I know it wasn't marked up today. So I'm going to be very careful on what I say, but I do want to get this over to Commissioner O'Varie's point. I still think that we have the right to make the decision. I still believe, you know, in what was written in the November 8th, 2022 memo to us. But I know more now about what I think the legislature was intending to do on that early August morning. And I'm really hesitant. I'm not going to stop my fellow commissioners, but I'm really hesitant to spend a lot of the team's time. Now that, you know, I've informed, my decision is now informed, I feel. And that's even without the RSM information, but I'm open-minded, but I think my decision's informed. So commissioners, we could approach this in a couple of ways. I could take the temperature of the room going in and see if in fact there has been changes in positions with respect to vote before either. It may not be the same action taken. I think the question presented might be different. Commissioner O'Varie, you know, we were looking at strictly the interpretation of the law to the extent that you're looking at having discretion in that interpretation, if it makes sense to take the temperature of the commission in advance of our doing more work to understand the direction of your decision, I'm happy to do that. Commissioner Hill, commissioner Scare, commissioner Maynard. I think that makes sense, Madam Chair. I feel similar to commissioner Maynard. We've received some additional information outside of the responsible gaming realm, outside of the RSM financial realm. If you recall, I think I posed this question to commissioner Hill. Is it reasonable for us to solicit input from the legislature? We didn't do that as far as I know, but we did hear from the legislature. And so I think with that additional information in correspondence, I'm okay with you taking the temperature because commissioner Hill's right, there's no need to send staff down a road that is not gonna make a difference either way if we are revisiting the initial vote as to whether or not the commission has the authority to make these deductions taxable or non-taxable. And I'm happy to hear this because I did say to Karen, maybe pause on the work because she was gonna do a slum in a bunch more things. And it was going to take a lot of time. So we put a pause until we could have this discussion and at least have the RSM stop. The RG I know Mark would be ready for. So should we take the temperature immediately and not even, and then reserve the right to go to the RSM or should we wait on even asking RSM to be present? If so, what we could do is... I'm actually, Madam Chair. I mean, the work has been solicited and produced by RSM. And I think in terms of just an educational exercise for the commission, even if there is a consensus that no more information is needed. And obviously the time pressure is different, but I would still wanna hear RSM's analysis. As would I. Yeah, if that needs to be done in a public meeting, fine. But I wasn't, I mean, it could be, you know, in a two by two as well, perhaps. I was thinking of literally that we're paying them to do it. So if we really think it's a value, then we can go forward. And I think we should just do it as part of our public meeting. Just as I described, start off, take the temperature, go into executive session here, come back, and then they convince you in a way that you would shift your thinking, something influences you. We would take the final vote on the matter if we're prepared at that time. Is that what you would like? And then Mark could weigh into, but it becomes, it will be then, you know, we'll reserve that time on March 23rd for that discussion. Excuse me, may I just ask about the reg side of this? Would we be expected to have draft language for that? Or would we hear the vote and then could we come back with language based on the vote? Well, I never thought a reg was necessary, Caitlin, but I'm not gonna weigh in. What do we wanna do? I think we have, I don't know if it's a majority or not, Derek can help me if necessary, but the reg is already promulgated as final, that I guess the logical place where this would go. There's no reg on this. There is a logical location for this provision of the reg if we would like promulgated and I think it would require, Caitlin would have to weigh in, but I think it would just require an amendment. But that being said, it's not my feeling that legal should be prepared with draft language on the 23rd. Okay, thank you. Can I ask, am I mistaken? Was there a reg that was put in front of us on this? 240 would be the logical place if there was some kind of amendment for it to go, but you're correct that there is not a particular reg on this issue. Yeah. I'm sorry. Did I not say that? I thought that's what I said. I couldn't quite hear you. I'm sorry. Okay. I thought I said that. To remind everyone, this gets to the discussion of defining for accounting purposes. If you recall, I don't know if we understand that. Well, I just wanted to define, because you said there wasn't a reg and we talked about this multiple times during that discussion, the definition of the gross gaming revenue and I adjusted gross sports wagering revenue and how it could be differently defined under gap. And we've talked about that four or five times. So commissioner Skinner is correct. Thank you. For the regulation, there is something to talk about. Thank you, Derek. Thank you very much for that. I think that we are going to have our wholesome discussion on the 16th and then I'll turn to Caitlin and our legal team to figure out whatever regulation is needed. Thanks. And I'm sure they'll be weighing in with you, Derek. All right. So we've got about nine more minutes. May 30th. Is there anything else on the 22nd? The 23rd will have just promo plays or anything else on promo on the 23rd that needs to go forward. Okay. May 24th. We have a gender study meeting. Just do we have anything else that has to follow May 20th? Okay. May 30th. Our next meeting. Is that right, Grace? Yep. And that one is just for semi-population review. Originally for public safety, but it sounds like that's getting checked in a bit. Yeah. We're going to rejigger some of those things again just done. I think that might be the transportation one. And we've also been working with Grace to lock up one more day, specifically for community mitigation fund, trying to fit all those in is in other meetings. It doesn't seem like it's really going to work. Yeah. So that was another question for the commission. I think if you all would like, we could add it to the mid-June meeting, June 15th. It sounded like for Millie that they might need another two to three hours. So we can tack it on to that meeting or if you would rather have a separate meeting in mid to late June, just on the remaining occasions, we can do that as well. So I'm not sure. What do you think, Chris? So my question is what's exactly on for the 30th? I have a medical in the morning. And so I'm going to be possibly able to hop on a 10 for the first half hour or so. So are we talking about being able to shorten the meeting on the 30th or is this in addition to what's already on the hold? No, this is in addition. The 30th is going to probably be all the transportation planning and construction. And then we were going to look for, excuse me, one separate meeting for public safety. Public safety is the majority of our application. So we felt that that really needed its own day or at least a big block of time at a meeting. Okay. And you're saying that would be May 30th? May 30th would be transportation. Would be transportation. And June 15th would be public. Yeah, yeah. Does that work to you, Commissioner Bryan? How much time would you be off? So I'm basically, I'll be in the car for the better first part of that morning on the 30th, but I will be until about 10, 15, 10, 30, I may need to leave the meeting for a brief period of time. It's a medical for one of my kids. And so I'm going to need to disappear for a little bit sometime between 10 and 1030. And then after that, I can be on the car and participating in back once I get back. So is that first, if you did a 1030 start, that would probably help me a little, if we could do a 1030 instead of 10. Commissioner, does that work for, I don't know, Trudy on the other end, does that work for everybody? It does. Yeah. Happy to accommodate. Great. Yeah. I'll get her all set. Okay. Commissioner Hill, great. Thank you. So anything on the 30th that we would need to add in addition to community mitigation, besides our anything else that's standing, doesn't look like any regs. I don't have Todd, but I've got Caitlin, nothing other than for regs on that day. So we had been planning on regs on June 1st. If there is a timing in, sorry, I should clarify regs that are not already on the agenda the first non-racing related regs. So if there was time on the 30th and you wanted to add regs to that date into the first, I think we could make that tweak on our end. Oh, okay. So we'll turn to the first to see how that goes. Besides regulation, anything else, commissioners? I mean, our team members. Okay. So June 1st, another full Sunday that does include right now, look at like on racing, which is exciting. Caitlin, I'm not going to go through administrative update because of timing Karen, but on the first regulations, we have racing and a racing application review and then ADW regs and then whatever regs you have in mind. As well as the escrow for Dr. Lightdown, she's still in the direction. Right. So I think we have about four additional regs that we would want to put on that date. So if you think that the meeting time is okay, we're happy to sort of do that all together. If not, we could try to move the additional regs to the 30th. How long do you think you need, Caitlin, for if we were to do all racing and additional regs? Racing, Judy, if you're on, do you have a sense of how long the racing will take? Judy's been really taking the lead on this racing piece of this. And I'll take a look at the regs and see. I don't see her on the race. I would say at least an hour and a half, two hours on the racing. I don't know if she's on, but maybe not hearing us. Oh, sorry. That would be my estimate for that. It's just a lot of different areas. There'll be a lot of sort of walking back through what all the processes are, I think. The regs for, the big reg for the first is gonna be the data privacy reg. There'll be, I think, a robust discussion about that. The other regs aren't that detailed, or there's not that many changes. So I would say maybe an hour and a half on the regs. Okay, so let's explore Grace. Keep in mind what Caitlin offered that maybe she could split up a little bit of the reg for work in June, May 30th versus on June 1st. If you start to find that out, okay? You might take it up on that on the third channel. And I'll just have to check with A&K, of course, but if we need to do that one more. I like that we've got kind of good horse racing theme going on. Dr. Leipan, how are we doing with respect to the escrow issue? Yeah, he still wants that on. Good, okay. And how long do you think you need for that? I would say it might go half an hour. It really depends on how many, you know, how detailed the conversation is with the commissioners. Okay, all right. That will work out just fine. It's good to get that addressed. Now we have Mark. You've got the on clearing the license plate study. Yes, break the racing theme. I'd like to bring that forward. We're set for that date. We have a lot of time. Could we say 40 minutes, 30 minute presentation, 10 minute discussion? Okay. Commissures, are we all set? Then we've got Commissioner Skinner and Derek on the initial fiscal year 24 budget. Nikisha, Derek? It's going to defer to Derek. We should be set. All set. And this is initial, then the final will be a little bit later in the month, right, Derek? Correct. After we put it off for public comment. Two weeks later. Okay. So that's going to be a good full meeting, but do we have anything else for the team for June 1st? Okay, June 15th. Right now it looks really, we just rolled something in the community mitigation, right? Yeah, and that with the public safety, I think we have 24 applications. I mean, if each one took 10 minutes, we're talking a pretty long period of time. Some of them probably won't take that long, but it's three to four hours, I would say. Good. The only comment about that is I will be traveling out of the country on that day, and I see that's for the budget review, so I don't know if you'll find that I'd be there on the day you do the budget review. Yeah, we need to get it done by the end of the year, but I'll just flag that. I know we don't want to resolve that. Well, we can maybe look at the next date, right? Grace, for that, because it has to just be before June 30th, right, Derek? Well, I believe Derek, if I'm wrong, we need two weeks before the end of the month. So what we had done this year was we pushed it up two weeks, just in case there were additional questions on sports wagering, because it's the first time we're doing a full budget, but as long as we get, and if there were a lot of comments coming back from public comment, we can play that by year. If we don't have a lot of comments as of the 15th, we can absolutely push this to the 30th, but the 15th would just be to deal with public comments, and then Karen, if you weren't around for that, we could always let those ahead of time. And then let the commission think about that and come back on the 30th to make a final vote. And it would be the 20th. There's the next public meeting. June 29th. Can we just plan on that then, Karen? Yep, that's good. All right, so in addition to the community mitigation fund, we're going to roll budget over. Commissioner Skinner, you're OK with that, right? All right, thank you for the thumbs up. And then nothing else right now. So it could truly be basically a community mitigation fund, Joe, which we want to make sure we give every application it's due. Oh, Mark's hand is up. I see Mark. Yeah, I see him now. I'm sorry. We are due for a game sense. Yes. When we bring court. And I think we can make it relatively brief, but I was also going to ask Long if he could provide an update on the voluntary self-exclusion program enrollment, especially with the introduction of sports wagering and having both programs fully up and running now. Yeah, and I know we talked about that, Mark. Gracie, how are you feeling? Is this a big day? Yeah, it's the 15th. If that works for Long, right? That will be just a really happy day. Game sense and community mitigation fund. I'm just pulling up notes. OK. OK. So far as we've gone along before we get to further review, raising your helpful notes, what we haven't addressed in my quick review is I believe, commissioners, you asked for an update on the 90-day audit. If you remember correctly, that would come from director Van Schaap. So what day would be best to add that to? Do you have that in mind, Bruce, at all? I would say everything should be done by June 15th. We could probably add it in there. That would be a short sports wagering update, Karen. Yes. Is that OK that you wouldn't be there for that? Karen, that's OK, right? If you're not there. Yeah, that's fine. OK, let's put that in, Bruce, if the timing works. Yes. All right. Thanks. OK. Nothing else for June 15th, right? Team commissioners, are you all set? And let's go to under review, 1104. Is that under review, Commissioner Hill? Yeah. Yes. OK. I think we're good on on Corpus Broadway expansion now. Yeah. Michelle Bryan, compliance committee. So the conversation that we'll start in the next meeting about the officers can then springboard into a conversation on compliance. But for now, I think we'll leave it under review, given what's up in the next month. OK. Springfield Community Driven Research Project, Mark. Yeah, we're finishing that up, but I want to keep it under review. I'm really looking forward to hearing that one. OK. And Commissioner Skinner and Joe on the HCA compliance? Yeah. Setting up some of my meetings right now with the licensees to start these discussions. This will probably be a sort of a multi-meeting kind of thing with them, because it's more than just the HCA. It's the surrounding community agreement. It's the second one finding just the whole sort of external compliance component. Joe, can you work closer with Commissioner Skinner? Absolutely. So it's Commissioner Skinner? Yes. No, I don't have anything to add. I'm sorry if I gave that impression. No, no, it's me. I'm just having a little bit of trouble hearing sometimes at the beginning, especially at the beginning, it kind of kicks off. So you're all set, because I know that you asked for that. And I think it's a really important discussion. So if you can be part of that process, I think you should that be great. Absolutely. Thank you. All right. Oh, Dr. Weidman, recognition of the Jockey Guild. Yeah, if we can keep that under review for now. OK. And then Director Bann, only Valleys, right? Yeah, we're waiting to curate on Valleys. So yes, that's still under review. OK. Have we done their house rules? Pardon me? We do their house rules. No, we're still waiting to get all that from Valleys. Oh, OK. Maybe we can just include that too then. Any other house rules outstanding? House rules come in and bits and pieces, and they're always amending them. So yeah, OK. All righty. Then we have the sort of process questions that Karen, I think you will be working with Bruce and team on the event catalog additions in that process. I think that's underway. That's just going to review then, Bruce. Yes. And then on number nine, I think that came from a suggestion from me where a good idea that comes up, if maybe the sports division could maybe make a recommendation to us that you'd like to have it be universal. But I know that that means legal needs to weigh in on how that approval process would work. So you're working. OK. And then the risk free. We just readdressed that, right? Commissioner O'Brien, I'll set that. Grace, anything that we need to address right now? No, I think we got there everything in the nick of time. OK. So next for the commissioners, we have a public meeting that starts in seven minutes. So just a quick break. We will have a executive session at the end of that meeting when you anticipate that. So just be mindful when you need breaks. OK, commissioners, I know it's going to be a little bit of a long morning. So thank you. So if there's nothing else, team, thank you so much for everybody's input. Sorry, I had to be a little bit compressed, but it keeps us going. All right, I have a motion to adjourn. I move to adjourn. Thank you. Second. Thank you. Commissioner O'Brien. Aye. Commissioner Hill. Aye. Commissioner Skinner, you moved on me. Aye. And Commissioner Maynard, you moved on me. Thank you. And I believe that's 5-0. Thank you so much, everybody.