 My dad sells chicken. I've seen some of the factories, they're better than you think. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, right here. I can show you some footage. Don't want to traumatize you. I could show you some horrible shit. I love animals myself. You guys. In your religion, it's okay to be cruel to animals for food. I know, it's not cruel because the cruelty is done with a purpose. You're not being cruel for the sake of being cruel. You're being cruel for purpose to be able to eat them to raise them. Did you agree with him that if it happens inside a factory farm context, it's not cruel so long as it's done for a purpose? So I'm a little bit biased, actually, because my dad sells chicken. Okay. He buys and sells chicken, he's a food broker. So what does he do? He buys it wholesale and sells it? Sells it wholesale, food broker, that's what he does. Okay. Why would he be biased then? Because he buys it from the factory farms. So you're financially biased or what? Well, he's my dad. Yeah, but you can still agree that it's wrong. So I've seen some of the factories. Yeah. You know, he sent me videos. Yeah. Some of them are pretty human. Some of them aren't. Oh, your dad walks through and has a look at the supplies. So he goes to the factories in Thailand, in Brazil, whatever. And I think, you know, some of the new ones, they're better than you think. You know, particularly some of the cage barns, they're not, you know, in a cage packed in. I've got a video on my phone. I can probably show it to you. I've got some videos too, man. I visit enriched cage egg barns. Are you talking about egg barns? I'm not doing that purely for chicken, not for... Oh, yeah. Well, the chickens aren't housed in cages in the UK anyway. They're in big factory sheds. So what was your actual qualms? Oh, basically, I'm just asking people why they aren't vegan. Like, because animals have a sentient exp... They're like conscious beings having their own subjective experience. Not on the same level as us, but they're still... They feel emotions. Yeah, no, absolutely. Yeah, I agree with that. So my argument is if we don't need to mass torture and kill them for sandwiches, then why are we doing it? We should live in a way that doesn't support these animal rights violations to suffering the killing by being vegan. So I absolutely agree with you in that food, when you look at it, you know, it's all for the environment. You go, you know, you farm cows, it's all for the environment. Yeah, it's a separate argument. Oh, yeah. Making an ethical one about animal rights, yeah. Well, how do you propose that we feed the population? On plant foods. So you talk about tofu? Because tofu is not great for the environment as it is. So you've got... What's the matter with tofu? That's a good question. I know it's the... You heard it's bad. I know why you think it's bad. I think it's for water usage. Required to grow tofu is not good. It's one of the lowest plant foods in terms of water use. Really? Yeah. But I think you might be talking about the fact that there's a lot of soy grown in the Amazon and they're deforestation for that soy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it. Well, most of that soy, what's it for? Soy milk, no? About 77% of the soy on earth is used for animal feed. Oh, really? To feed the chickens that your dad sells. Yeah, they import a bunch of soy over here to feed chickens and pigs in factory farms. Obviously, if everyone wants to go vegan... We'd free up a bunch of land. So about 80% of the farmland on earth has been used to either graze animals or grow feed for animals. And we could reduce that farmland by 75% if we all adopted a vegan diet. So we'd free up farmland. We'd free up resources. So what would your kind of method be? What's your way to feed the population purely vegan? You know, how's everyone going to get their nutrients? I understand, they're all turned... The same way we do now. So tofu, soy... You mean like in terms of travelling the food around or you mean nutrition in terms of health? Nutrition in terms of health. I mean, we can get it all from plant foods and a couple of supplements like B12 you should supplement anyway. They give that supplement to chickens in barns and but yeah, I think you should supplement B12 and if you're in a crowded country like the UK, vitamin D3, you can get a vegan version. And most of the other nutrients, you can just get from plant foods. I mean, there's no nutrient like that. You can't get from plants or supplements. Cows milk, all of that, no. Those cows are... Yeah, dairy industry is f***ed up really bad. They're all exploited cause suffering. Constantly kept pregnant, kids taken, killed and then they're sent to the slaughterhouse and minced up for burgers. But obviously, if everyone wants to go vegan, it's tofu or beans, that's... Tofu, seitan, mock meats, vegan meats. We've got lab-grown meat coming in the future but we can go vegan now. We've got lentils, beans, broccoli, vegan, whatever you want. Rice, pizza, pasta. The lab-grown... Obviously, I like those things, obviously. Yeah, vegan versions, brah. Burritos. You know, my sister, actually, recently, she's pretty much vegan. She's vegan, she is. She doesn't want to be vegan stuff. She's gluten and lactose intolerant. So, you know, I've tried it all. To be honest, I don't think there's that big a difference. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, right here. So it's not that big a difference. When you're eating meat, dairy and eggs and all that, animals are being mass exploited and often suffering in factory farms and then in every single case, they go to a slaughterhouse to be decapitated, right? But not much difference in taste, right? Yeah. How is that justified? How do you justify that? Because you can't turn it overnight. And I think you know you can't turn it overnight. It would take, you know. Yeah, just you. I just mean you. Because you know how, like, you don't go around kicking dogs or punching people? You f***ing know, yeah. Because of your contribution to that, you know, I don't personally know... I'm not going to stop all the dog kicking and people punching overnight, but I don't do it. It's called your personal morality, right? So my question is, yeah, we're not going to stop it overnight, but why do you do it? Like, you personally? So I'm a uni student. Okay. I'm dressed like a mob. You look good. You look like a businessman. You look suave, bro. So I'm a uni student. So, you know, when I go to the shops, I'm bought by chickens. I'm bought by chicken because... Yeah, you've got financial constraints, yeah? Fundamentally, there aren't the bought by options of vegan stuff that I'd like, you know? I go to say Audi and I buy 500 grams of shredded cheese. You know, it's not vegan. How much? It's like 250, something like that. And does that make up much of your diet? Cheese, maybe not, but like, mints. You know? Yeah, mints, okay. And how much... Bints do you buy and how much is it? To be fair, last term, I was on about 500 grams of mints a night. And how much is that? 500 grams of mints. Yeah, and how much does it cost? Just over £3 or something like that, but... Ah, ah, ah, ah, one sec. You can get this stuff called textured vegetable protein. I recommend it because it's like, it's soya with the fat removed. Super high in protein, it's like 60% protein. High in fiber, high in calcium. You get it dried in a bag. You can get it online or you can get it from Holland and Barra. Get it in the heats of different places, right? TVP, f***, it's amazing. It's mints, right? You can buy it in bulk. It'd be way cheaper per calorie than actual mints. You rehydrate it, basically. But, you know, I'm a uni student. I've got sports and commitments. I've got, you know... So how long does it take to rehydrate? So what do you use mints for? What do you cook? At least you have mints and then pasta. Great. So you make a bowl of tomato sauce, pasta? Tomatoes, you put your onions in there, you put your water in there, put a little extra water in there, dump your TVP in there. You know, you only need a couple of handfuls because it rehydrates and it sucks up all the juice. Salt, pepper, boom, done. This is an all-super process. It's not a super process. It's just de-fatted. Ah, 500 grams, three dollars, three pounds, 38 for five. It's about the same size. No, no, no, it's not. Because this is dehydrated. You rehydrate it and it goes like this. And it's got way more protein and it's got no saturated fat, no cholesterol. Super, it's not no saturated fat, but very low. What about red blood cells? You know, because you need that, isn't it? Soy has iron, soy has calcium, soy has, you're going to be fine, man. I've done a couple budget videos before too. You can get a week's worth of shopping for 30 quid, man, on Meaghan diet. I've done it before. Really? How are you, bro? Now I'm spending 80 pounds a week on food like a unit. Soy milk, 40p, 50p? This is 50p for a liter of soy. 50p, done, let's go. Red lentils, big bag. Lentils, protein, fiber, boom, boom, boom. To be honest, me and my mate, Sam, we did one vegan diet a week, vegan, veggie, nice a week. When we were at uni, we made this lentil curry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We made it every week. Like dal, like a big pot of dal. Yeah, you put the rice in, really nice. So we did that, but I can't see myself making a jump, it's fully vegan. No, no, we're just having a conversation, bro. No, no, no, no, no. I'm just asking you, how do you knowing what happens to all these animals being tortured for not much difference in taste? You said, you said- I did say that, I did say that. If we dealt with the budget, like how do you justify all this horrible? I can show you some footage. Don't want to traumatize you. I could show you some horrible and it happens en masse in the UK, all around the world. How you justify that little bit of inconvenience, little bit of taste, you know, have to, you know, realign you're like, you're shopping list a little bit. To be true, truly true to them, you know, all the argument from me, habits is probably the biggest one. Yeah. I think it's distance from me. Oh, you mean disconnect from the process of the animals? I'm not seeing these animals being so, and, you know, that clear form to say that. That'll make me sound like a really bloke actually. Let's just say you're sitting on a chair and you're an army general, right? And you can push a button that's got to carpet bomb a whole community. It's much easier just to go like that, bang, and go, yeah, I hope we've got a couple of them soldiers and walk back into your bedroom, go to sleep, watch some TV, boom, boom, boom. Then it is to actually physically be down on the ground and throw grenades at everyone, watch them blow up and you're seeing all the destruction and the suffering, right? No, 100% yeah. But those actions are... Just as consequential, if not more so. In terms of destruction, yeah. You have to try to make the connection. That's what vegans are. We made the connection. We made the connection from our actions. Our morals, our actions and the animals. You know, I love animals myself. You don't? You like certain animals? Do you like cows? Yeah, cows are pretty cute, yeah. Do you think there's a moral distinction between the experience of, say, a dog and the experience of, say, a pig or a cow? Moral no, mental yes. Okay, what's the mental? Mentally, you look at a dog and you go... Ah, for you though. I mean for them, like, their experience. Is it, do you reckon it's much different the way they cruise around and experience the world? No, probably not. Right, right, you know, in discretion. They're probably a very different experience, yes. But mentally, you know, the emotions they feel is pretty simple. Yeah, I mean, like, their subjective individual experience is probably about on par, right? Like, if I stab a cow in the back and I stab a pig in the back and I stab a dog in the back, they're probably all gonna feel that in a similar way. Yeah, I don't know, absolutely. But, you know, obviously, if you're ideal, everyone in the world went vegan, you know, but... It would be good. ...we would all prosper for it. How would you implement this? How would you feed nearly eight billion people based on plant-based land? What steps would you recommend to ramp up the agriculture to the point where it's at? We've already got enough plant agriculture to feed all of us humans, plus the 80 billion land animals that are fed and slaughtered every year. So we've already got enough plant agriculture. But anyways, it's been good talking to you, bro. Pleasure. What were you going to say? Joey. Joey. T-B-P for minutes. T. V. V. No, send me the link for that vegan stuff. All right. There's obviously no... All right. Have a look. All right, let's go.