 All right, so tonight is Monday, August 21st, 2023. We're here at the John for the room meeting room here at School Street. It's the Moretown Select Board, and so we'll first agenda item is general public comment. So is there anyone here, are you folks here for general public comment, or? It depends on what place. You just, did you come in to, what was your purpose here tonight? We were having a hard time getting a building permit. It's not an initiative. From where it's been really frustrated. It's from ongoing for over a year and close to a year. Great step early for the last three to six months, yeah. Well, we can certainly take your name and information and look into what the situation is and you can get back to you. What is your name, is it your name? Frank, is anybody back? Pardon me? Frank and Cindy Baier, the A background. Where's the address of your building here? 840 Brownsville Road, 840 Brownsville Road, Moretown. And you have, you submitted your zoning app. It's a very long story. Yes, so the land was subdivided. Oh, okay. It will take, just give me a brief overview. The brief thing, we tried to gift our daughter 10 acres of land to build a house on and I tried to get a building permit because I heard it was transferral. I was told that I couldn't do that because it would be a new parcel when I gave her the land. I would have to subdivide it first. So we hired a lawyer and had it subdivided. They recorded it to town. We waited and we got a new parcel number. I again applied for a building permit and I was told that I couldn't have done that because I didn't give a subdivision permit. I didn't know I needed a subdivision permit. I hired a lawyer. He did all the work. He came here. They took our money, they recorded it. Now, I have been denied my building permit because I didn't get a subdivision permit in to meet the requirements of the permit application. She's requesting that I have an engineer serving my entire property. The 97 acres. The 97 acres. The 97. I'm not even sure where to go with what happened but we have our parcel number. We have our curb cut. We have our 911 address and she went out and forward on the building permit because I have not provided a map of the original parcel which she's requested that I hire an engineer to make this map. We have a waiver for the DRV to give the authority to approve it. But yeah, she hope that as well. So she doesn't approve that either. So we're just asking instead. We have no idea what to do. At this point, we've lost contractors. We can't even get the building loan because we don't have this permit. Ransom doesn't know where he's going to go to school because... It's, I mean, we're out of a town here. I don't feel I should provide. I should have to hire an engineer to survey my land for a subdivision that's already done. Unless this town is going to take the land from my daughter and give it back to us and return all our money. I don't think I should have to have this guy survey my land. I think it's outrageous that I would even if this hadn't happened. I'm trying to give my daughter 10 acres of land. I'm thousands of dollars into it. All right, well, certainly we can see your frustration. Sport has no authority as far as... I understand. Doing the zoning permits, but we do work with the zoning administrator. She works for us. So we'll take a look into it and she's really, she does a good job and she really, most generally is really trying to find solutions. You know, I understand. For some reason, she thinks we did this behind her back and she has this thing against us because of it. We didn't know we needed a zoning permit. Sure, I understand. I mean, a sub-division permit. We followed her. She told me I needed to have it subdivided first. I had a lawyer, I had it subdivided. We waited for our personal member. It came in the mail and I heard your call. And then for her request, we put all of our mains on it because now we truly are leaving the owners of the day makers. The kids are. So we had to put all four of our mains on it. And it's still, you know, in our satisfaction. All right. We will, she's back to work with me. She was on vacation last week. We will, you know. Well, we can't talk to her anymore. No, we can't. We're done with that. She talks out to us like we're stupid. She threatens us. I'm all done with that. Today was really the last job that I just did. So I call back here directly because I don't work out that way. They suggested we come here and express our frustration to you people. All right. Well, we certainly hear it. We're looking to it and then we get a touch of you. Yeah. Where are you? Do you remember us? Yeah. 802-249-0796. We'll try to figure out what's going on. And one house is built out of several. We'd like our kids to stay here, but they're getting more frustrated too. Well, thank you. I appreciate you having the time to come in. Thank you. Are you here for? I'm here for the $6. I'm a little early. Nice to meet you, Mr. Halcombe. Yeah. All right. Anyone else for general public comments? All right, we'll make sure I'm on the computer. All right, so just know for the general public comments, we have CBRPC, we've got Christian and... Hi. I'm Joyce. I'm the alternate to the CBRPC from Moortown. They sit in his way, so I'm here instead, and I'm just here to provide whatever, the connection between the town and the CBRPC. That's great. Joyce is our alternate commissioner along with David Stapleton, who's our commissioner. And, yeah, Joyce also serves on our transportation, regional transportation advisory committee. Excuse me. So, we work through Joyce a lot, and here are your news from Moortown, and often through our commissioners directly. But I want to introduce myself, Christian Meyers, I'm the executive director, and I've been in this position all that long, trying to make around all of our 23 municipalities, that I have just reintroduced to the organization as a whole. Founders in the 60s, our work focuses on land use planning, transportation planning, I don't know some of the other, and natural resources, water quality, storm water, runoff, these sort of issues. Our mission is, and I'll read it so I get it right, is to assist member municipalities in providing effective local government, and to work cooperatively with them to address regional issues. I think in practice what that means is we're kind of like a Swiss army, like you can pull us out, when you need a little extra capacity of the municipality, maybe it's for a grant application, maybe it's for grant administration, or project administration. And then when the project's done, we continue on with our business, we don't go away, we still remember you, we know the projects, we take a little of that institutional memory with us, and hopefully it can help represent the municipality in the future as opportunity arises. Some of the direct areas where we're providing technical assistance right now, we go help with municipal planning, zoning updates and bylaws, we help with the local hazard mitigation plans, and the local hazard mitigation plan, then the emergency management, I'm forgetting the other ones, but the flood planning essentially, we can help with that process, we have an emergency management planner on staff, so he can help out along the grant funding account that he searched and looking for, especially after that, like we all went through last month. We also help towns with writing a capital improvement plan for their municipalities, and of course we provide GNS services, don't see any CDRBC maps on the wall, maybe that one over there, there we go, but we didn't help print out those big scale maps from this panel, because that's needed. Some specific projects we've worked with in more town recently, include 2022, we did the Virginia Colbert Inventory, this is a service we offer all municipalities, is to keep that inventory up to date, and your department, your highways department can use it to identify where the ender cell is, culverts might be, or where the block culverts have any maintenance. Usually I'll try to update that on the pilot recycle, it's gonna move out beyond that, as we run into the same problem everyone has, and make sure we have the staff to get out and do the field work. The stormwater project here, that's where the administrative partner on that project, and we want to make sure that contractors are getting paid. Obviously, my colleague, player Rock, with temporary zoning official, and between hiring, hiring, and a permanent staff employee, looking down the road, we have new amounts coming out, and then we're gonna require all of our municipalities to update their, what regulations to match those new maps, and where you're probably gonna, in the process of identifying where that might need to happen for all the new municipalities, so we probably are taking a look at more town, and when those new maps come out, we'll be in touch with Canada to make sure that the new version is incorporated, and the residents and businesses in order to continue to qualify for the NFIP program, which is the Floor Insurance Program, the federal government. So that's just summary, I could go deeper if you have any questions, but the basic messages were here to offer extra capacity, and share our expertise, and share the regional expertise wherever we can. Thank you. I guess right off, the zoning would be something when Claire came in and said, she helped us out in the sense that I could disarm her here, and we hired a great zoning administrator, however, she has started a new coffee business, and it's taken off, so she is getting done here. So we are going to be searching for a new zoning administrator, and possibly may need the best assistance to bridge again, because it is based on last time, it's not an easy job to fill. The hours aren't there, but we could increase the pay significantly to make sure we do. So we'll qualify, so we're good. So we can help out in a couple of ways, whether Claire will have the capacity at this point, or else we're right in our regional plan right now, which is basically our project and it's a major lift, but certainly we can talk more about that. There's also an opportunity potentially for a shared position. We can work if we're more than one in the municipality. We can help staff, essentially, for a moment we could serve more than one in the municipality that has been successful in some other parts of the state, and assess it in some other smaller hour positions that can quite make up a full-time position. And was that something that you would employ in the first thing that is the agreement, essentially? So, yeah, so we're on a free tower, two towers where I have the speed, 24 minutes, that's right. That's right, 10 hours, 15 hours, leaving the baby 10 hours, or 15, and then you might get a 30 hour of a full-time position. I think there's a lot of opportunity in this region. I think a lot of our smaller municipalities can benefit from these kind of relationships. It's just we have a lot of time on the way to make it work in. So, if you're interested in having that conversation, I need to get into those more hours and see what... And we need to get to the end of the question of all of these as well, and I think that is something we do well, like that. I wonder if she gets to the end of September, or is she's going to join us? Any other questions for Christian? Well, thank you so much. Very good. Enjoy your all set with Christiania, good stuff. We're good. Yes. Thank you for your work, and I've been working with the Committee's, the Safety Committee. Is that what we are? Well, whatever. You guys are a lot of names, but yeah, that's it. We call you several different things. They kind of know what day it is, so there we are. But I know that's coming along well, and we've been working on speed management at different hours of the town, so thank you. All right, have a meeting in the morning. Yep. All right, thank you very much. Thank you. Thanks, Christian. All right, so moving on to the agendas. We have the Library Trustees. Thank you. We have the public. Mr. Naseer? Well, the Historical Society is not there yet. I don't think they're there yet. Yep, we have the Historical Society at 635. So, you guys are going to roll your chairs up. I'm going to make sure we have them. I think he's right outside the door. Mr. Sherrill, I don't know if he's on his side or not. Mr. Sherrill, I don't know if he's on his side or not. Mr. Naseer, we have some new story left for us. It's very exciting. Thank you so much for taking the time. Jennifer Hill, I am a more time resident about 10 years over on the border in Blacksbury. I'm in 100, and I've been a trustee going, this is my sixth year as a trustee, and I'm also the secretary, so. And you probably looked at your history. Cory, I'm the library here. They went to go to Cory. August is my month to be at this live board here. Yay. So, we wanted to share with you. We've been working as the library board and also with the director and also with the library friends and with some patrons to create our plan. So, I brought it to share with you and get your thoughts. Thank you. So, the first page is a revision to our mission. So, the mission was, this is pretty solid, but with time passing, we wanted to revisit it and really make sure that it was touching upon all the aspects of the library that we wanted. So, the mission of the More Time and More Library is an inclusive and vibrant gathering space for our community that provides access to robust programming, traditional and innovative materials and services. So, we wanted to be sure right off the bat to share with you on the revised mission. And then the next few paragraphs just describe what our process was that starting in October of 2022, subcommittee consisting of Elizabeth Mazzilli, the board chair, myself, and Cory, the director, met to begin a strategic planning process. And we were really fortunate for our timing because the Vermont Department of Libraries provided two free trainings that started in the fall. That was the Asset-Based Community Development Training. And then I was able to attend a strategic planning training with Alliance Research. And those are both through the Department of Libraries and Sasha, I'm just trying to understand what you mean. Sorry about that. Thank you. And so, during that, during that and with all the learning of that, we were considering that with the library that it be determined that a three-year plan would work well for us. A traditional strategic plan that we learned is more of a five-year timeline and involves different steps that we felt were covered by other ways that we had done community engagement in 2018 in particular. And so we figured a bridge plan would get us from where we were in October to where we want to be in about three years. So that was one thing I wanted to make clear is that this would be a bridge plan which is a little different than a full strategic plan that would go for maybe five or seven years. So that was one piece. Does anyone have any questions about that part of it? Oh, just some of the thinking behind the bridge plan is there's a lot of flux right now, the space, the pedaling and wanting to see that sort of play out and play through and seemed hard to say what would happen in five years, but three years. Mm-hmm, there's a lot to do. Yeah, so we followed the bridge plan process that was laid out in the training and it would consist of this idea of a footing assessment and also this a toes assessment which the little footnote just says what those letters mean and that the library staff, the board of trustees, the friends group and some patrons participated in that. I did such a share the electronic version of this so that you can look up to see the links if you'd like to see what those assessments kind of drew out and along with the past community engagement as well as the subcommittee findings. The toes matrix was taking a look at threats, opportunities, weaknesses and strengths and that really helped inform us to develop our focus areas and that included our goals and our objectives and then also the revising of the mission that I already stated and that we'll be revisiting this plan and our regular trustee meetings to determine measurements for success and also any sort of challenges or solutions as we go through the three year process. So yeah, so then the next page just shows what those focus areas are and we decided for the library this is like our first action plan so we wanted to make it something that was truly doable. I don't know if this is something that I don't want to go into too depth but the idea of setting a smart goal is that it's something that's specific and measurable and attainable and you can set a timeline to it so that's why we have in our focus area just two. So the first focus area is library infrastructure and then the second one, we know I know my 11-year-old was like, Mom, you should number all your pages on your documents. Sorry, I should have numbered the pages. I'll make that edit. So on the next page you'll see focus area communication and outreach. So those are the two main focus areas and then underneath them we would have what the goal is and then the objective, what we're aiming for, the timeline and then who within our scope is responsible for that piece. So then in goal one, you'll notice that we have one, two, three. We try again, no more than four. That one actually is four bullets. Then under goal two, that's working with library volunteers. That would be two bullets. And then under, so you see the way it's organized. And then under communication and outreach, there are also two goals. So one of our posts was that we could, in focusing on our mission, draw out, what are the two focus areas that are kind of coming to the surface? What would be two goals under each focus area that we could actually do in the next three years? So in goal two, how are you gonna store that database that is like an Excel spreadsheet of volunteers? Yeah, so I think one of the ideas is we rely on volunteers and for a long time it sort of just lived in the library director's head and sort of pull that out and create something that's more usable for all the staff. And I think one of the ultimate goals or one of the questions is how to level around volunteers is having the friends take a larger role in coordinating volunteers. So that it's less of a job for me or for them to do. And so we're thinking Google, probably, but the Google form. Like a Google form. Yeah, I have created a Google form for volunteers. Put it out on the front porch form once. We need to get up on our website, but yeah, so. And that was one of the goals of the trustees was to coordinate with their director but not have every single task in this bridge plan be something that Corey solely or Nicole solely would be doing. So in your responsibility, we'll see library director a lot but we are also trying to layer in supports and human efforts from the trustees, from the friends and different members of our board. Because that was one of our pieces that we wanted to have be in here. And I think our last official strategic plan was well for my time, let me say 2010, but it might have been 2012. I know there was a collaborative strategic plan with the Madden Valley Libraries, but I don't believe Morton participated. That one was in 2012, so it's been overdue for a little while. Yeah, does that mean it's really like information sharing? It's a good thing, I do. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, that's great. Yeah, there's a board you need to have a direction in the plan or not, it's just a board. Yeah, yeah, and we were really excited that we can have this be a part of also the bull side. So we just had an evaluation with the trustees and the director. So what kind of goals are we setting as a board but also as ways to support our director too? And ways to collaborate. One of the things that came out of this was a strengthening of communication with stakeholders. So that's one of the reasons that we're here today is to really honor that in just whether it's the emails or if they're coming to meetings or letting you know this or that's happening. So also strengthening of communication between the library board and the select board that came up in a lot of our different assessment conversations. Yeah, and I think that's a good idea. Without taking too much of your time. I went over this earlier. So I don't think I have any more questions. Well, and if anything comes up, obviously, trying to reach out, you know, right now. I think this is something good to work off or we should probably have more expensive time looking at it. Yeah, that's the question we need to have. Yeah. Yeah. They keep saying select board so like they're gonna be on the schedule. Yeah, absolutely. And we were really trying to think of a timeline that the way it's organized, you have the objective of the timeline that the responsibility is, you know, we didn't want to say select board that without, you know, at least coming and sharing the plan with you guys. Yeah. Those are the times to update and update the board. Yeah. Those are when we would be coming board the chair of the board. The chair of the board of the board. Yes. We're working on this. Yeah. And to really be really intentional, I guess is the word you could use or really specific about layering in that communication piece throughout. So it's not like, wait, you guys have been talking about this for four years and we're just hearing about it now. We don't, we don't want that. Like, we started the process. We came and talked to during the budget thing about budget proposal conversation around wanting to pursue strategic planning because we were able to tap into some resources that were provided free through the Vermont Department of Laborers. That was awesome. So we didn't want to, you know, where we kind of got with that work since October. One thing like two is, where is the, you talk, the frames of the library? You know, I hear that, I don't know who that is or what it is or what, you know, really much about it. So that might be nice at some point to maybe have some time to, all right, this is what we are, this is what we're doing. This is what our mission is. Oh yeah. Well, they're having a meeting tomorrow, so I'll be giving an update and I could just ask if they'd be willing to come in and to one of the meetings, public comment or whatever. Yeah, maybe just to figure out. I mean, friends groups are pretty standard for libraries around the state and the country, but I'm sure they'd be happy to come talk to you more about what they're doing. They're newly revitalized, you know, when I first started, there was just a few members left just kind of getting some stuff done, but it's a really robust group now, so they probably have a lot to share with you. Great. Any other questions or concerns, folks? On the line, I've been in questions. All right, ladies. Well, thank you for your time. Thank you for coming. I appreciate you taking the time and putting this together. Yeah, thanks for keeping us in the loop. Yeah. Good job. Yes, thank you for that. All right, our next agenda item is the historical society. We've got some historical things. Ladies, what do we have for tonight? Okay, we've been in touch with the library trustees about the possibility of using the downstairs in the old library building. Yeah. And we understood that the trustees did a payback to the town for a portion of the lighting in the heating. I don't think you probably did that. Okay, well... When was that? What was that? I can chime into it if you want. Yeah, go ahead. We have line items for electricity and to be over there, so it's part of the library budget right now. That's what we understood was that the library trustees paid back the town for a portion. And we were wondering if you would consider, if we did do this with using the downstairs of the library, if you would waive that fee for us? All right, so the fee that you're talking about is the heating fee, or I mean the heating fee, the heating cost or... The heating electricity. The heating electricity you're looking to have us pick up. What does it run per year? Since we got it occupied with the space, I really couldn't say without looking it up. Plus things have changed. So we considered, if it were numbers from 2019, they wouldn't necessarily be accurate for brandy 23. According to Allison, she gave us a little printout and it was roughly $100 a month on average. So what do you want folks to do there? Well, we would like to display our collection, have an area where we could do, have people come in to do research, perhaps have room, maybe in order to mornings a week, just so people could know that we're still out there. Sure. I think it's the kind of C stuff, right? Yeah. That'd be great. And as far as the trustees, the library trustees, Jen, you guys are fine with the historical society using that space? So we just started having those conversations. So it's kind of the planning stages. So I know that it's on our next agenda for us, because Allison had met with you and talked to you and had questions for our board, but we haven't had our monthly meeting yet. So we're still in the conversation step of the process for sure. Well, we'll speak up if you feel differently, but we would support you in that endeavor. Why don't you go ahead and continue working with the trustees and we'll see where that comes out. But we work with them where it's a town library and we move them in there. I hope that there's some space up there for you to compromise. We'll literally figure out the cost. I think it is a benefit to everyone. Look at the history I know. I was enjoying at the Morfest, where you can sit on the behalf of this place. It's nice to see that stuff. So it's available in the year-round. I think it will benefit all of us. Are you thinking of having, like, any kind of exhibits that rotate, or do you have enough material? If we have the space, we can invite more activity. The speakers can have smaller groups there and awaken more town history. That would be great. I think that would be awesome. I feel hard at least so far. I'm Robin Campbell. I sent you guys an e-mail. I know I tried to reach out to you guys. I am the liaison to the slideboard. If you want to send me e-mails about your progress, feel free to, if I can help in any way, on websites or whatever you guys think. It's wonderful. I've been waiting a long time for this. It's so perfect. Don't go into it, John. They might keep you there. He's in history. Living history. All right. So is that good for you? Thank you. Thank you, ladies. All right. Thank you. Thanks for coming. Of course. It's nice to see you. Thank you. All right. So we have Bobby Helpin, road access for ATVs slash UTVs. Bobby. Yeah. I should have pulled a chair on that one. I can do that. There's Ballard here. I'll talk to the captain. He worked into that. Yeah. So we, we have a bare man. But he was the only one we had. That's all right. Well, there's, there's a person out there who's pretty informal. Yeah. I want to run for this life. Yeah. Everybody, we all treat everyone as humans and respect. That's pretty much it. Yeah. And welcome. Thank you for coming. My name is, so we'll introduce ourselves. She probably don't know all the rest of this. I'm Tom Martin. John Holman. John Holman. John Waxman. No. What? Bradley. No. No. Dickerson. I mentioned for you. Yeah. And I'm Robert Campbell. Cowley's David. Sasha is our assistant. Who works as assistant treasurer as well. Okay. So she's kind of our, if you have things to send her more, send it to her and she'll send it out to everybody. You know, where, where do you live? I live over on the other side of the mountain, Tarks Road. Mountain World? Yes. Yes. It's the end. It's almost the end. It's almost the end. It's almost the end. How long have you, how long have you lived there? Oh, 2018, 1990. All right. Yeah. What's your feeling like inside? The one at the top of the hill. It's definitely weird. It threw me out on the first time I drove over the hill. Oh, what's that? But the amount of trucks that actually go over and turn around, it's unbelievable. Yeah. It really is. Isn't it really? Yeah. I mean, I'll send them that. I can send them that. And you just all of a sudden it's like, oh, it's not gonna make it. And then a couple of minutes later, I'm back the other way. So, and they still drive by it. It's just like a notch. I mean, there's some really good signs on that. I know. They got it up on the interstate. Yeah, well, yeah, like that was fine. So, you know, like they have traffic here. That's good. They just have one there. Like if the truck goes by, like you're driving on the floor, and somebody runs by. Yeah, it's on the side. Yeah. You think the gate comes down? Like, so you're an ATV? Yeah, I just saw that off-road of Jeeps. I mean, everything. But what I'm trying to do is a lot of towns in Vermont, they open up their dirt roads to the ATV access. And you have to set time frames on it, you know, follow the state rules of like May 1st, we'll say November 1st. And a lot of towns are doing a trail pass, if you would, you come down, pay a fee of something, and, you know, you sign a piece of paper to keep that piece of paper with you while you're in the town on their roads. And the town keeps that money. You have to still follow the state rules where you're registered to show how it develops, you know, the normal rules. But, and I'm just looking to get access from like May 1st, say I'm over towards Cowley's house, over to Jonesbrook, just, you know, on the dirt roads. It wouldn't be a year-round thing. You can't do that, because, as you know, Class 3 road roads close, I think it's a May 1st. I forget what they, when they close, it's like November 14th, or December 14th, but I would cut it before that, because you don't want stuff on your snow, you know, you don't want to close it before this season. I would think that's what a lot of towns do. You know, I think it's just Class 3 and 4 roads. Yeah, Class 3 and 4. Those town roads, like, this route is not a town road, that's it. So, it would be like Moretown Mountain, Commons, Jonesbrook, you know, Stevensbrook, they're headed town line, unless that's very decided. And I'm not really familiar with over here, like, what there is to know. Yeah, I'd be like Howes Row, you know, just to, and then the Class 4 roads, you know, you have to do it like a town would have to put a curfew on it, so it would be able to say like 8am to 9pm. That's what a lot of the towns are doing, like Johnson, Eden Bowl, Montgomery, all of those places we ride, you have to actually get a town pass. Some places do stickers, some places do, you know, written things up, and when you stop down the town, you get the thing and like, if you went out now on your rig and wanted to come to Towsard and Detail on all their roads, is there someone out there stopping you or? But, say, a neighbor or somebody complained, they could, you know, I could get the 100-mile-long ticket. And is there anybody stopping me now? Not really, but if we made it legal, I don't feel like I hope, we're doing something illegal or the potential to get caught, get in trouble, or whatever, you know what I'm saying? I'd rather do it the right way. It's easier to do it. How would you go hunting if you wanted to go to the River Road, Jones River area? You'd go through the class form that goes over the Galloway. You'd go to the Galloway. You'd go to the Galloway. You'd go to the Galloway. It's the ungefools. I call it), it's buddy. There's the road shoot, that's how people during the flood actually got out of their house. I worked some people they were actually stuck there so they just were geeking. That's how they got in. Theение doesn't know about it. There's a legal trail that does connect the downtown That was my thought. I mean, I just would rather do it the legal way, versus... So sometimes, from what I've read, sometimes past specific roads that should be used. They don't open all the roads. Yeah, you wouldn't want to open all of them. This process is like, it moves up. So you start with a little bit, you gain a little bit, say a club starts up, and then the club joins Vasa, Vasa comes in, then Vasa's actually willing to help out with some of the classroom repairs and split costs with the town. And this is way about me, but I'm just going with the steps of it. So you have to start with a little bit, and then it works its way up, because, I mean, it's sideways hiding in Northern Vermont, it's picking up unbelievable. I mean, they're driving through Newport right now, and I've taken it by side by side, right down the road, south of the stoplight, into Carter's. Yeah. Go down to the gas station. Yeah, you do the same in Chelsea. It was great. You'd have to be registered. Like what we're talking about, you would have to follow Vermont state laws, which are the vehicle is registered, it's insured, you know, you have to wear the proper helmet for whatever you're driving in seat belts. It would be, I mean, that wouldn't be on the town anyway. That's the state laws to operate a ATV anyway. It's just a matter of the road to access would be on the town. And the rest of it is... Do you actually have a physical plate? Yeah. Okay. And then when you go the next step further, it'd be VASA. So actually like snowmobiles, they got the VASA club, they got VASA, which is an ATV, and they do a bunch of, they get with landowners just like VASA does, and they make trails and connect them and go to the town. It's like Roxbury has a bunch over there. Roxbury is a field. Yeah, Roxbury is a field. And we go over there quite a bit and ride, but... So here in town, what would be... I mean, to me, I'm trying to think of a road to nowhere where you're going to go. So what would, if we were going to start, what's an obvious place to begin and end? You know, because we're just pulling in. I mean, if you wanted to start somewhere, I would probably start with, like, Moretown Mountain, the common, and Heron Brook, you're on here, you're on town, all the way through. And that connect. You start there, see, I have hosts. You can always do it on a trial. A lot of times we do it for, like, a one-year trial. I've talked to residents on Heron Brook itself. There's going to be a huge amount of pushback on that. So that's going to be a problem in that end, I know. I talked to Sandra and Clay, and they're against it. I've talked to the other Leo, the property guy, he's against it. Leo has actually run people off of the road on there and caused accidents with people. Really? Really? Really? Yeah, that's what I mean. I mean, he would personally run our friends off the road, lived on their side. Definitely, pushback. I mean, he's almost run me off the road walking my dog. I see that as being problematic. I mean, at least to me, if I'm going to represent the residents of my community, then everybody I talked to, they were like, well, they weren't even signed my petition if I didn't come out against it. So if I could just ask a question. Like, the last three years, we've had discussions that have been talking about the use of the trails in that zone that you and Ray were working on, and there was concern, maybe some of it was truck driving up in there, but I know that it's been a few... You were trying to use truck driving up there. Yeah, so I know that, and that's the problem, because the trails are getting all tied up, and you guys are trying to... I remember you and Ray were trying to come up with some solution, I don't know if that... So I don't know how that ties in with this use, or how the two uses live together, because that's why the neighbors there probably freaked out. Yeah, it's the loud trucks that go by anywhere from ten to three or five o'clock in the morning. And I mean, I know, my property is on both sides, so I hear them on both ends, and a lot of it is choices. I mean, the amount of... I maybe see four sides by side is important. I don't think you're going to see an influx. What you're going to see, honestly, is people are going to be down. You're just doing it legally down. That's what you're doing. So if they're not coming to you complaining down, I mean, nobody's going to flock to more down and drive over more down the mountain road. They're going to go to DuPort, where they can drive down the main road. It would be more obviously for the local people. And maybe we don't have a spot department on the road. It's not like... It's more would be for the local people. Yeah. And there is ways around that whole thing. I mean, I've done a lot of research with people out there in the world or in the U.S. that you could actually make a side-by-side street legal and then I can drive it right down the main street. You could stop the walk. But it is legal. And you have to sit there and prove all the paperwork. Right. But, you know, it's, you know, there is ways around everything, but you're just trying to make things legal, you know what I'm saying? Right. And do things right and, you know, open it up for the, you know, we'll just say the house boys, you know, they get older, they want to go for a ride. We'll go with them, come back. And they're doing it easily, you know what I'm saying? Instead of just... Right. I mean, I've done that myself. I'm not going to have that on the road. Yeah. I've done it myself, too. I've done it where it's legal and you're just like, ah, this is so much... You know, real stress. You don't worry about the neighbor calling in going, hey, the neighbor over here, call in, they don't have your cops won't do anything anyway, but it's just one of those... If it's legal, people can't complain about it. And the community is totally different. Like, when we go up to Sheffield for a ride up there, I mean, all the cars that we had been in when you drive, I mean, you're driving down the main roads, so to be a wrong turn and ending up in Danville, going by the corn maze, which is where we were not supposed to be. But you know, when someone came back, the people are still, you know, they wave to you, everyone is respectful, you stop, the stop signs, you go... And again, it's... If this was going to connect to, maybe, Northfield... Eventually. I mean, you're going to start stalling. They have more people, but we're not. Is it not legal to drive a UTB on a classical road, as it is? Right now. It's actually legal on classical road. It's legal on classical road, but you can't get in here. Right, you're really talking about allowing them on Class 3 dirt roads. And 2. I don't know. 2 with a road of 3. It would only be 3, because it would only be a dirt road. No pay. I mean, I don't know the town roads. If you go to Wartown, you know the mountain road. And in Siemens-Birkenham, I don't know Cali's way. I don't know. Like, I don't know what there is for roads over there. The only thing you would have called Cali, you would have Jones-Burt road from Stacey's, from the line up past. It doesn't go all the way up. So you've really got Wardbrook, Jones road, which Jones road isn't dead under anyway. Lynchville. It's private. And that's it. Jones road was on credit. The town policy? Oh, I thought it was private. But the biggest thing there is you have to bring dates. So that it starts, we'll just say, you don't want them out during month season. So you have to do like, say May 1, May 15, whatever the time frame is when the class floor is open to when the class floor is closed. That's a big key right there. And then I would do a curfew as well. That's what they did in Johnson. And it worked really good. But I don't know what he's beef off around for midnight, one o'clock in the morning. So it's pretty much doable all the time. So it's, you can do it like, season 30 minutes after Jones. I mean, that way people aren't ripping up from down the roads at one o'clock in the morning. But they wouldn't really go. Right. Right. Yeah. So, you know, I, I'm, I'm really in support of this. I'm just, again, I've been trying to push this for a long time. And the snag has always been the enforcement part of this. How are. How are you going to enforce? Who's going to force this? And how, how's it going to be done as far as. If you have a tag for more town, let's say. And you're out, you're out riding. Like I'm up on, I'm a live on Jones Brook. I'm on hearing Brooke a lot. If I see somebody up there without a tag. I mean, who, who is enforcing that? Who's going to be enforcing that? Have you got that? I mean, who's enforcing it right now? There is no, but there is no enforcement now. That's what, that's, I mean, people ride now. As you say illegally, but there's no enforcement. Right. So if they're riding illegally now. And then you got to take it, like I said, in steps. So it's going to start with road access. And then I'm going to go ahead and. Probably in time, a club would start like bass does, like you've got different clubs. And then it's going to move into Vasa, I would say. I'm just going on the gas right now. And then when it gets into the Vasa state itself, and they create more trails that are on private property via the land owners like bass, is then Vasa actually supports the, the game worms and the, what does that mean? It's going to start with road access. Is then Vasa actually supports that the game worms and what do you say Washington County shifts? They have a funding for that that they put out. But in the beginning, there would be no more enforcement than there is now. I mean, I don't know. There's the sheriff goes over the hill once in a while, but I don't know if he's ever stopped anybody and never seen him. So. We've had, I think the state police was in here and they just something really not interested in this. Yeah. The game born actually has the most jurisdiction, but whether they, I mean, there's not enough of them. But I mean, the biggest thing is, is people are doing it now illegally. If we made it at least legal in the town, they had a little bit of money off of it. And it might self and, you know, enforce itself, you know, like if you see somebody doing something down and you take your license plate, you call it in, go to the town, but hey, I saw someone saw down the road doing this. Here's this. They won't have like, if they're illegal, they can have a license plate. They won't have a license plate. I mean, when they come into the town, all they would be would be a printed piece of paper that they signed saying that they are registered legal in the state of Vermont, they have insurance, and that they know the Vermont state laws and that they paid their, whatever it is, would just say $20 to the town. And that would be on their version. They have to stay in their rig. And if somebody stopped them, all they would be was, I need your town permit. And they'd have you have to hand it to them. So, it's like the way you're having my license. Just like your hunting license. I mean, it's, I mean, it's just a, this would be just a small step to get to the bigger, where we could actually get, you know, the VASA, the enforcement, just like they do on the Snowmobile trails where they do checkpoints and stuff like that. And they do them here and there, but even on the Snowmobile, all of them, they see one, we'll just say one cop a year. And I ride 1,000, 1,500 miles a year, and only get stopped once out of that. And most of it is just, honestly, social media. Now, who's doing this? Who's doing that? And they catch a lot of people and stuff like that. So, then the other thing, I forgot to throw in here is the speed limit. You would have to put a speed limit, like every other camera. 25 on the road. And they, 25 on the edge, right below there. On the speed limit, it's 0, 0, 8, 7, 8, 9, 10, so that's 25. So, you're not going to the actual speed limit. So, there's a lot of, I mean, a lot of little rules, but it just makes it safe on the road. This is something that I think the other town's incorporated. Is it not in the right roads, or do you know how it actually happened in other towns? I think they did a goal. Don't call me. Yes, I don't. I think they did a goal. Some towns have done it on a trial basis, where they open it up for, we'll just say six months, see how it goes, and then they decide after six months, is it good, is it bad? Did it really do anything? I mean, they know a lot of street people are doing it, they know, and working on it, so they're just doing it, and nobody, I mean, people might complain about it. Right, you're never going to make everyone happy. Exactly. I mean, you're never going to be about what we do here. The biggest thing I've learned about this whole side-by-side automobile thing, or whatever, if you're doing it legal, people aren't complaining about it. When I'm in my side-by-side, and that goes by the road, you know, in the neighborhood, he calls the cops, it's because I'm doing it illegal. He actually has a legitimate complaint. But if I'm doing it legally, and you're respecting the law, and I'm respecting what I'm supposed to do, he has no complaint, because I'm actually doing it legally. But I'm doing it illegally, he actually has a fear of complaint. I'm doing what I'm not supposed to do. Yes. What's up? That's mine. You're right. Well, Cali, you certainly have an interest in that, and this is one of your, did you get excited about it? So why don't we move this forward? I think, I like the idea of we're going to do something, do something on a temporary basis to see if it works. So if you do some research into other towns, as far as, how their process has worked, how they've been operating it, how these trial cases work, as far as whether it's, how do we do that to be legal with you, or how you do a legal trial? So secondly, we'll get together, but we can call it, what I did before I came to the meeting, is I called the VASA president, and he told me kind of how the other towns go about it, and he can make some suggestions that are very, now he just got done with the other guy, and he just took it over, so I talked to him, he's a ped trail master, and I talked with him, and he was the one who told me how the towns do all their things, and how sometimes do the trials, sometimes do the vaults, and they're very, very knowledgeable, how it works with all the classical roads, if they end up coming in, and he was the one who gave me all that information. So why don't we, put a timeline that we have enough information to make a decision before town meeting, so that we can go to the town meeting, that's where we have most of our people to come. Is that all right? This is, and this is if this board decides to do it, we have to get all that information. We'll have to just, you know, go through the board, and go to this board, and we think that is something we want on the floor, on a technical basis, and then we can present that at the town meetings. Because of the information we received from Mr. Halpin, we went into this discovery mode, this is what we found, this is what, and you may, which I doubt it, but you may have to do it all you work, so you know what, I don't really think this is good for our town, and like I said, it's unlikely you're advocating for it, so we don't expect that, but who knows, and we expect you to give us all the good and the bad, so we can make a informed decision, so then that way we can present it to the rest of the town, and then we'll... Does anyone know how they have like approximately what percent of our roads are paved versus, I mean, paved roads? That's probably wrong. Yeah, we're really talking about opening up the 90% of the roads to the town, to ATVs. No. That's what I always said. No, I learned roads. You can name roads. Okay. They get the roads that they want. Okay, okay. That's what I'm looking for, instead of robbing, instead of making... No, that's fine. Instead of making those decisions, that's where I want to come back with a plan. You can't hit them. And then we can say, we'd like to pick these seven roads to do on a trial basis or something. So we have an idea. Get feedback from the neighbors. And in this way, if we're doing it like this, we're not... There's not a lot of uncertainty in people's heads, and all of a sudden, you're in the world of this media and you say, hey, more towns are on the roads. Right. Okay. We're now putting our plan together to see if it makes feasible to do a limited trial basis for the town meeting so people could make decisions. Now, when picking the roads, because I have a Dickerson road, nobody's going to drive over up the back end. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Or I just want to hit the road. Right. Yeah, but actually, I want to make a nice decision somewhere in the way. This guy... Yeah, because we do. There's a lot of roads that are really... Yeah, right. We could open up just a few and really enhance, you know, the whole area to... I mean, I would... I would definitely afford that, for sure. The mountain, her way? Yeah. There's the least amount of houses, I would say, on the market map, but wouldn't you go over there? Yeah. And, you know, we couldn't do chase around because of Berlin, because of Berlin. Yep, so you can't... You can't go there. You don't have money, right? Yeah. So that stops, like... What? We're also going to be nice to know two more... Right. Two more... ...is how many people... How many people are doing it now? Right. Because, you know, we just do nice to be able to say it's an important point, you know, there's 40 people doing it and even now, we don't want to do this. So that would be a good read, you know. So try to find out what we've got for people in our... You're doing it now. I know... What would be the point... Are your friend Ray? He's on the road. So there's... I know about two or three on... Yeah. There's probably like six or seven on the mountain road. Right. And some of them are just the local farmer. There's some of his little ranger going down to his garden. Right. He's an easy illegal bot. Yeah. Who's going to call the farmer and he's going on his house, not the farmer, the homeowner. Yeah. To his local farmer. No matter. You know, it's... Comment stuff? You know, I just had a question. So that's your Ray's point. Do you think... Because, you know, you're still going to get the people who are, you know, doing an illegal in-register or with the state don't have their papers or whatever. So, how do we... How do you deal with that? I mean, the people who are doing it correctly, do they go to that person and say, hey, man, do you approve it for everybody? Yeah. That's actually how I... You can police yourselves. They police themselves. Yeah. Because as Ray was saying, he sees people up there who are uninterested in vehicles all the time. You know, you're... They're self-policed. Like, if... Would you say Cowdy on our route? True. All of a sudden, there are some kids that... You know, hey, you're going to run after the rest of them. You say something to them. And you're like, just that's the way it is, you know? A lot of people will get... No, no, no, no, no, no. I mean, there's no difference in a snowmobile going off-trail. If I see it, I go ahead. You know, you're going to run... We're going to lose this land for all of us because you're going out here doing what we're doing. And, I mean, a lot of people, social media will go to them. I mean, they... They self-police themselves a lot more than we do. But that's... I don't have a friend. I don't have a female. Or whoever talked to us about it. So there's a lot of self-awareness within a group of people to try to keep it alive. That's how it works with us. I mean, there's always going to be one. I mean, anyone can take it. But, you know... But I think you're normal. Like, your group... I can think of where I live. And there's like, six in a circle. And we all kind of just go house to house to house. And that's kind of... I don't want to go up there. I don't think that's right. You know that. But, you know, it's... People are doing it. I've talked to a lot of people in the town. They're like, yeah, it'd be awesome. I could just go down the road. All right, so... What do you think is your... What do you mean by social media? So, if someone's doing something stupid... So there's a lot of pages out there. Like, Rocksbury... We'll just all use Rocksbury, for example. They have... I think it's Lost Nation ATV Club. It's part of... You know, everybody joins it. On Facebook. And you look at it. You can see, hey, there was some guys around here. We see people. We see people up here. Because somebody's putting garbage here. And just so you know, it's kind of like a self-police. Like, when... This will be a star. And then he goes to a club channel. And then he goes to Vast. And then it'll self-police itself. Like, hey, somebody's doing donuts. And the turnout up here... All of you have put on social media. There's a camera up there now. We're catching it. And I'm not going to clean it. It stops. And there'll be a president. And then all of a sudden, you know... It does stop. There's somebody that takes short control of it, you know. All right. So you guys are good. So we got a plan. I like the plan. All right. Perfect. Thank you. What a bad first meeting. You don't have to take us all for a ride or something. Definitely. We're glad to do that. If we could take me out for a little cruise. Sean will bring you. Yeah, definitely. Sean will bring you. All right. Thank you. I'm kind of scared. All right. So let's go ahead and move on, folks. We've got reports of communications. Sasha, we're going to start with you. Let's see. Are there people where did you guys... Say again? Are people... What we're seeing FEMA stuff? All right. So this... I'll go into this right now. I spoke with Cheryl Lynn after our last meeting. And to see if there was any FEMA assistance out there for help with the projects. Kind of a... work with the works or someone to do paperwork. Our last meeting, Martin was in here. And he sounded to me like overwhelmed a little bit. And they've got a lot of stuff to do and get ready for winter. So I thought, you know what? Let's put an RFP out for that position. Because with it, we've checked the format. You need three bids. And so we were able to get three bids, I think, or at least we solicited three bids. I'm not sure how many we did receive. And so anyway, I just had to have it do that. And in this timeframe, I just want to do something done. And also kind of really, you know, cover our butts to make sure that there's nothing being missed. Because one will miss because it's thousands of dollars. So let's go ahead, pay someone to oversee that process if you will. And they cover that, too? Yes, and they will pay for that, too. It's why you should do it. They're going to pay for the umpire. So we did get three bids in. And I'm going to go ahead and start with stand-back. There's, it gives us a different, I think, well, why would we have to spend some time going through these, the way they're split out. They have different service rates for each person who might be working on the projects. And it goes from 142 an hour to 225. So that's stand-back. Du Bois and King hourly rates from 85 to 225. Ooh, which one's the next one? That's Du Bois and King. And we have one point engineering consulting. One point. That's right. What do you think? One point, not one on. That's what I said, right? No, it's one point. One point, I'm sorry, right? One point. A lot of times I do these things to check on you, see if you really pay attention to that. Because we're looking for people who pay attention to detail. And so Ray comes in with a $70 now, which includes the travel amount. My suggestion to the board would be that we take a look through these to make sure that everything is covered to the RFP that we're looking for. And if so, we go with the lowest bid on point. If it's not covering everything that we asked for, then we'll move on to the next one. What are your thoughts on that? Do you necessarily listen to that to us electronically, I guess? Well, I think... We're going to read... Actually, maybe if a couple of people, actually, Big Sasha can make some copies, not tonight. But tomorrow, gone, maybe you can come and grab it. John, you can come and grab it. And I've done a little bit of reading through it, but I will. And if you can do it the next couple of days, so we can get this up, get whoever on board for it. Do we have an estimate of the number of hours at all? I... No. There was no hour request. Can I say something? Go ahead, Ray. There's a... Okay, so today there was one FEMA meeting. And there's a very important one on Thursday at 1.30. So I would... I guess you would want whosoever, whoever you decide to go with, it's got to be on board for that. They have... They should attend this meeting. It's a... They're going to be looking at sites. It's very critical. Who's ever going to be doing the work and be at this meeting Thursday at 1.30. Yeah, that's a good point, Ray. Thanks, Mark. I was on this morning. Yeah, I was driving on this morning. Yeah, if we could... The sooner we can do that, because I'm also headed to New Mexico on Thursday. John, do you ever stay in town? No. In New Mexico? Where are you? I'm in Montana. Good for you. Yeah, nice. How are you? I've been working in Mongolia. In the in January. Yeah, in January. So would you, gentlemen, be able to get this done tomorrow? Take a look at these. Sure. I don't know. All right, and then send me a text recommendation. Okay. So we'll have the copy of the RFD. You have a copy of it? No, no, no. Was this fit into race? Ray, what was fit into your schedule? I know you've got a lot in your play right now. I could fit it into my schedule. You know, there's a lot of these projects coming up. So right now, more account is my priority. So, yes, I could fit this in my schedule. Okay. Wait, so maybe I didn't understand. On point is you? Yes. It's Ray. Ray. You started a business? Yeah, he's doing that. You know, I thought he was doing it as Ray. I didn't know. No. It's something. He's on point. He's one guy on point. He's one point. Actually, the name is confusing. Can we take a picture? I think that's not the storm water. I didn't know he was about to give you now. I thought he retired, Ray. Yeah, he retired. Now he's just getting paid for it. He's just got to see who he was working for. Now he's probably busier than he was. He's doing the same thing he did before. Now he's just paid. You know why they say, if you like what you do, it's not work. There you go. So, y'all could do that. Yeah. So, my motion is what I said earlier. Don't you mean that? You're going to make a motion now. I would like to join. I wish you could decide this right now tonight. It doesn't matter before. Yeah, I have. All right, let's just go ahead. I'd move to Tep Ray Washburn, principal of on point engineering, who's responded to our RFP for assistance with the FEMA. What's second? All in favor? All right. All right. There we go. Great. You all suck. Thank you. I'm going to say what resonated you, right? I know. Hey, great volume right there before you leave. Can you give us an update on the current project? Sure. So, you know, we've had to deal with a lot of rain, but we have all the work, all the pipe work is in around the school and across the park a lot. The big item now is the cleanup, which is extremely hard to do when it's mud. But we're working on that. I expect by Wednesday. By the end of this week, the school starts up next week. There's a lot of activity now. Officially the school starts next week, I believe. We'll be out of that area completely. Seated. Everything cleaned up. And then from there, it'll be just the wetland area. And. That we're talking about the. The easement between the church and the Browns. Right now we have an easement. We have two easements that we thought were good. But the wording was really bad on the easements. So we thought the best solution was to have. And John Hogan Moon was part of this. We've asked Ron Chams to write two more easements. Clarifying that the work that's being done this year. Which is replacing the pipe that's there between the church. And the Browns basically lowering that pipe and adding. Two catch basements catch basements in the easement area. Which a town would be responsible for. And then the rest of wetland areas on town property. Okay. And actually I got an email from. Nick out of Ron's office. And he's going to be working on it. And so we. I gave him some time. To talk about. But in talking with how. I think we're going to need more description. Then just. From catch basin 11. To. You know the catch basin. I think we're going to have to have. Pretty exact. Locations. Because it will go on to how. Because. I mean. The Colbert will be on. The drainage pipe will be on church property. But. We're looking at 10 feet. On either side of that. So the 10 feet on the north side. Get into how. Well they were actually. The church is. Actually looking at. Giving some of that land. How many ways to square out. Right. Because I guess it's. Yeah it's just. The upper corner. Square. Yeah. And the. The church is okay with. Proceeding. Before. We actually have these ones done. But. I. I would guess I did not speak with how long again. I left a message with. But I would. I would imagine it. You probably would not. Want to do that. He's in favor of the project. I'm sorry. How long. How long is in favor of the project. Yes. Right. So. Okay. So. How is this. So if you're going to be in Montana. Is Ron gems going to. Be sending this or. Howling can take a look at. What. He has done. Well I'm. I'm hoping that. Dom can take home. Yeah. And deal with. Nick. With Nick. Yeah. Okay. So we'll deal with that John. I mean rain. Also with how. I think. You know I don't know. He's always been an evil. You look him in the eye. And tell him what we're doing. And. What we'll take care. Because I don't want to pull up the project. For a couple of weeks. While we're waiting. For paperwork. So I'll get on. That. Tomorrow. Both howling. And Nick. At. Shem's office. How. I think. Yeah. Yeah. Doing that. And just. When I was there. Because I went. And met with them on. The day that John couldn't. On Monday. Or Tuesday. Last week. It was. It was on Friday. We could go Friday. Yeah. But you couldn't be there. Is that the day I went. Well whatever. Whatever day I went. We talked with how. We are. We need to. Just prepare it. We're going to wipe out howling. Of rain. Yeah. Yeah yeah. Right. Just. You know. Are. You. Plan. He's like. Put. Those. Yeah. Destroyed. No. His. And the. All. Yeah. Nothing. Just. Yeah. I would activate the wrong room and it would go well. He gave it to these men, you know. He's surprised what some people do, but doesn't. So we'll work on that. Yeah, and the only reason I said that is, shouldn't necessarily have said that about how him, but I mean, I'm thinking more his way. Right, it's very, yeah. I mean, he's, it's quite what the book, and just, you know, crossing his teeth and dots his eyes, and nothing against, that's good stuff to have, but we may be able to see that they are all in favor of us. Because it helps both of them, so. Yeah, it helps both of them. But it is tough to take it back if he changes his mind. There's no easy way to dare ourselves. Right, right. I don't necessarily understand. All right, so that's, Sasha was still a new. I have an Arizona mission and it's just two properties that are owned by the same person. One's business property and one's the residential and one building's on the wrong one. It was just adjusted that way. Okay. And Shirley gave me a list of dormitory dogs and there are only three, and I'm just letting you guys know about them, so. We, make sure off, apologize in advance. Okay, let's go ahead and do that. Pass us on the step on and he can follow up with these folks. There's three of us, it's not bad. Not bad at all. One's we know of anyways. Is that it, Sasha? You said that you were going to judge back on free will and this being. All right, and I'm done. Okay. I'll do that. All right, but no, let's, this week remind me to look in the project to find something I know where we can. And while you're doing that of water and ambulance, did you ever? All right, so we have a member of the part of our animals community animal if you were on the board, I don't think you were. We agreed to $4,000. We initially were thinking FEMA funds or that's where they came in looking for. We all agreed to. Our fund. All right. Okay. FEMA. Yeah. We've got a little different piece. That was for what? For the family ones? Yes. Water bringing. Oh, okay. And they were doing a capital project or something like that. Right. Yeah. So I will go through the budget this week or before I make some meeting and have a recommendation where we can pull that $4,000 I know as well. So we got both that and free wheeling to kind of upper. How much was free wheeling for? Whatever we give out? Yeah. Pretty much. Okay. I think they asked for $2,500 or $5,000 or something like that. It was $5,000. I think it was $10,000. Wasn't that? Yeah. Yeah. I think it was $10,000. Yeah. So. I do look back. Yeah. $100,000. And the rest of the $10,000. So we certainly don't have $10,000. But I think we could make a recommendation to them going forward is to actually get, I think they did last time is to get the names of the budget request or the articles. Right. So let the town, this is one of the towns she decided to come to town. Like they do all of the ones like that. Yeah. Yeah. Wait. That way it's not $10,000 at once. But if they do it right, it should help support them and show that we do it. They can do a little research on their part. Here's the residents that we help. Yeah. I think they do more than what I have reached the top based on what I've seen of their stuff so far. Tree. Yep. Tree. Apparently the guy's not cut the tree, right, John? Yeah, it's nice. The tree hunter guy won't do the bit. Let's move it. The tree hunter's not. He's moving. He's moving? I don't know what to say. So you couldn't do it, though. So like we're down the list of the next. So the next, next. So we're going to do title. Maybe I should follow it to the right. Right on. What do you say? So, John, give me a call tomorrow, though. I won't call, I mean, I'm surprised there is a movie. But I want to take you to the house and what? I mean, I want to take you to the movie to come back to the tree. Yeah, no, I don't know maybe he's moving on us. OK, I'll call him. OK. I'd like to call him anyway. And then you also reached out to snap him in the hand. Yeah, I remember that. But they were the next cheaters. Right, that's 3,000. 3,000. And I think it would be cheater because we were asking for less of the work that was called in. Right, you were going to. We would hope so. But I don't think we never really specified it, right? It's just said, cut the tree up. And I know that 3Works probably is to the whole thing better than that. Yeah, probably. I think that's what they tried to take the point we had. They tried to think it was fine. But anyway, snapping to over, come down, that would be up there. Yeah, because I think they've been chipping it and getting rid of the pressure, right, so they can get them to re-bid it or not even re-bid it. Tell them, just drop it and try to see as much. And yeah, dropping it, that's what it's all about anyway. Down to 2,000, and just drop it. But I would suggest, or I think it would stop. Calm down. Thank you. I was asking about, she wanted me to bring up the security. She had somebody else that was going to come and look at the situation here. But they got wiped out by the flood. She's concerned about losing the grant. I did get three references from the security company, actually, right from the businesses that use the security company. All right. And they're all very happy with them. Is there anyone else that can, we always try looking for people at least? Can you find anyone else that might be interested in taking a look at it? I think it's, we've got the grant, I think we should do it. We have the grant, yeah. But let's make sure we follow those policies. This is like putting cameras. Is it cameras, yeah. Outside? The guy came mic or whatever, came in in the whole presentation. Yeah, I think there were two cameras. Was it a buzzer on the door, or that wasn't part of it? That wasn't part of it, because that was like more expensive. Basically, just camera. Can't we move to the picnic area, please? Oh, yeah, that's turned into a regular campanera. There's just these five here. Maybe five or more tents, or a number of tents. They didn't move at the state mode. They stayed in the mode, yeah. I don't know if the state mode is in the actual camp. Well, they moved. Yeah, they did a bad job. But then everybody, all the tents now have moved into the woods. Well, these are like the same people, or are these people that might have been displaced by the flood? I, who knows? I mean, there's somebody under the bridge across from the cemetery in Montpelier that had been there for a couple of days, and the Montpelier police aren't doing anything about it. Right. So I don't know. There's also another camp out at the River Road where we just had the paving done. Somebody's tucked in at the, somebody is tucked into a little tent area where the pull-off is, just before the River Road bridge exits onto 100B. They had little kiki lights and all kinds of shit out there, honestly. So that little pull-off is the first pull-off? The little pull-off, right, yeah. Right at the end of River Road meets 100B. Yeah, there was a trailer up up there. While it's on the trailer now, I'd say it was a regular tent with a canopy, a pop-up canopy, and little tiki lights. I don't know where, this was one of them. I thought it was just maybe somebody pulled off to have a little party, but they were still there. So I was listening. I called our state rep, and she was following up on it. I don't know what I called her the bizarre ex. It's difficult. There's no one to really force anything. And quite frankly, everyone that you call on it, I'd ask them about it. I'd die, right? Well, I don't know what to say. Please, say what? What do you know about it? They knew. I'm sorry. So yeah, I just wanted to break into River Road detention. I don't know what this thing is. No, I really got to move someone over that way, because it's a complaint, and the people who are now knocking on the doors trying to use Wi-Fi, all Wi-Fi passports. Concerns are a big one to the bathroom type of thing. Yeah, health concerns. A lot of concerns, I just don't know. Exactly. What do you do about it? Well, I bet it's the health concern. Oh, I know what we have. Yeah, we need to send somebody over there saying, you can't send them away. That's even the government says. Right, I mean, if you want to enforce something, I mean, that's the way to enforce it. We don't even have the muscle to enforce it. No one has where we call to. The heart. The heart. Yeah, for lack of there. I don't know what to start knocking on. You know, I really want to turn your head the other way. You know how winter's coming. You know, winter's coming and it does affect other people. I mean, that is true. So I feel, and I feel for the people to have a living in the tent. I feel a great deal for the people to have a living in the tent. Can you imagine being in a tent all summer? I know my life's been homeless before, so I think people know what it's like. Living in the back of a camper and have to be out by daylight. And you know, what are the people who are displaced? And because they're knocking on doors, trying to get Wi-Fi, they can't get the services they need. So do they need someone like the health officer? Because we don't know where they're going to go down and just kind of ask and try to figure it out. Because they need help. Then, you know, they can direct them, help support them, get them options to try to get the support they need. But then there are the people who don't want the help and want to be homeless, let me know, medically going wherever. Yeah, it's tough. I don't know the answer. I wouldn't send anyone there but the state police and the government, I'm sure if they call the state police, they could probably say, we've got better things to do today. Someone was murdered. You know what I mean? I don't know if you've sent a health officer by yourself. I would never send anybody down to confront that situation. I need to press Dara a little bit more, I guess. This is a talent, definitely. These people need help and it's just about possible. We also need to look out for the people who live nearby. People who live nearby are responsible for it. You know, I've been meaning off on this one. What are you going to do? What are you doing? I don't know what this is going to be about. We're doing everything in our power. That's all you want to see the answer. We're doing everything in our power to, you know, and Dara, she has done it back with me a couple of times. She reached out to actually another state court, but Waterbury, to find out what they're doing. And they have a bunch of different people along the border as well, different areas that will fit into it. And Waterbury at this point is just from the chief. We're not doing anything. Unless we have guidance from the state, I don't know where else we can get answers. You know, state property? No, state property. That's a totally different ball game. Yeah. That's a totally different ball game. Oh, yeah? No, because it's a take-home ship on it. And the state property does not respond to state property. District 6, is that the town of Waterbury or not the town of Waterbury? It's the state property. They wouldn't want it. You know, there's no trimming. There's picnic tables down there that are cement steel to put it all over right now. Yeah, it'd be nice if they would just push everything into the river and start over. I wonder if you would go to Waterbury or not. Because in essence, the state will not help you if it's on town property or private property. If it's on state property, though, they will do cleanup from encampments and everything. But they have it in the back. This all should improve that. Maybe I didn't go high enough. I don't know. But maybe Darragh can come in. I'll call up Darragh in tomorrow and ask her or say, if you're leaving for the retiree or for someone else or something, if it needs it. Now, let's get the governor down here and take a walk and take over this place. Give us some resources. You must have an outreach person. I'll see who's on the email that I'm asking. There was somebody on the email that we were working with. OK. And I'll see who it is. Yeah, that would be great. I don't know if it's because it's in a different district, if it's a different person or not, but they could be. Well, I mean, you have the idea of how you work and do it in a way that it helps people to just pass as the buck down to the next count. I don't know if it would be for that. We'd like to get people. And then maybe that. And maybe they'll say, you can't be here. Get the state to put a portal out in there. Go be there. The state wants to let somebody in there and put a portal out in there and give them some place to take it. Yeah, that's very, whatever. It's very sad. It is sad. OK, Robin Slepkin, this is over to you. Do you have anything that you want to share? I'd like to make a motion that if we approve the ACO wording change that Sasha sent us, it basically consolidated the term that we have that issue of public or private property, not the owners. Change that wording to running at large. That covers a lot more simple version of the same statement. Make a motion. We accept that. And you guys, we're going to get back to me on the next steps for the ACO. Before you get a motion. I'll second. John, second. All in favor of the motion. All right. That's it for me. I do have a condensation unit available that we bought at auction. I don't know if it's anything at the town. It's like a big fan air conditioning thing that's for condensation that we bought at an auction. It would have to be installed at the firehouse or wherever we want this at the town. If there's any interest in the town of looking at it or bringing it over or whatever, I'm more than willing to do that. I know condensation at the town. I have a big condensation to use like a three fan unit. Does it sit on the? It's got to be plumbed and all that. There's more being involved and stuff like that. But it's a pretty good size unit. It's probably, you know, top half of that screen. Could you get the specs to me? Yeah, I can get the specs and send them. Yeah. I can send you a photo in this manner or whatever. Yeah. Good job. Does it hang? I don't know what it has for brackets, to be honest with you. Like I said, we bought it at an auction. The price of it was like $700. We got it for like $7 or something. It's a $1,000 piece of equipment. People don't need it taken out for free. I think it's a little bigger problem, but let's look at it. Yeah. Nothing for me, though. Tell me about you. Big D. I'm pretty quiet tonight. I am trying to work on how it's starting. I could show it maybe just last week, but it's, you know, we had a risk management report from the insurance folks or whatever. Like the heroin, the healings, everybody. So there's a couple of things for the town hall, fire extinguishers, the step that need to be painted, and then there's some items for the town garage. So I was going to work on this and help with this. And then some marketing, and there was a few concerns about eye detection and such. So it's just like, you know what she needs? That needs to be taken care of so you can keep on insurance. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, whatever. I don't know why I think, I don't know why they do that. So I still don't know. They don't make guards for those dribbles. That's one of the ones I'm calling here. Yeah, they don't make guards for them. So you and I, since we're, you have to do our safety things. Do them, but apparently the insurance doesn't like that. I don't know. Maybe we can write up, you know, I'll talk to them. I think we can send them a response back or something. Show them a pair of safety glasses. They hang on the drill, and this is what we use. Yeah. There were some of these, this is what's put on. Yeah. Today is the day, but we'll get plexiglass everything. Now, can't you guys scream? Like, you probably have a little plant with a piece of plexiglass in front of it. So, and tomorrow we have our transportation group, whatever we are. We have a couple of different days when we need tomorrow. Speed demon. So we have a letter that Joyce Manchester and I have been working on a lot that hopefully after tomorrow's meeting, we all get to discuss it, get some brainstorming, we'll be sending the board a draft. Right. Because it comes through with a slope, you know, it has to be approved by a sub-leg or it goes out to the trans-traffic committee. Right. That's the drop-down, step-down. Yeah, so room two and some 100B and two villages. Right. You know, speed and signage. It will be coming out very shortly. Great. Good. We need that. We really do. And we have the forest plan. All in this forest management meeting tomorrow after the meeting as well. And as far as I know, tomorrow is a busy day for me actually. Because we're also meeting, we have a town hall committee meeting. But one of the main things in the meeting is we're meeting with Sam Lash from... I guess she from Merck. Well, above Merck, right. But I don't know if that's what she's from. She's from central Guadalupe, I think. Anyways, that's to go over what we're doing, what we're trying to do, what other buildings we can do as well, like the town of Braga. Just sort of going to get in person and show what we're trying to do at the town hall. And there is no work, so that should be good. That's it. That's all I got for today. Drink coffee and keep up with her. Yeah, oh, good. Well, I just told me that. But, and yeah, that's... I mean, the next thing we got is Morfest, right? Yeah. Oh, we have a meeting before then. I think we have a meeting. Do we meet after a day or two, after a day or two? But Michelle's going to come in and sit up to you on that tonight. Oh, and the sparks she can protect you. You'd like to just ask them to report it for another one, so... All right. Yeah, I think you're all good. They've got all sorts of... Should be good. Let me do this. John. So I had a Zoom meeting with Cantoroli, Dubois and King on the cross the street. And he's been doing a good job with the land owners, I guess. Really hasn't done any opposition. No, good. And then I also spoke with Jerry here. I went... I was going by man and Jerry was getting the mail. And he got somebody to stop for him to cross the street. So I pulled in and talked with him. Now, I thought that they had fixed the... Whether they put that culvert in on Route 100, near Maynard. It's actually 2-1 to the north side and then the worst one to the south side. And I thought that they had fixed that last fall when you called them. But I guess not. What's one or the other? Both. I thought I saw a fresh pavement there. And I thought it was a little better. I guess it's not better. So he actually called the government office. And so to do something about it. Sorry you stopped, huh? You sorry you stopped to see it? Part of the traffic slowing is addressing that too, because as you come north on a hundred and you get to the 40, slow 40, before the intersection of 100 and 100B, in this letter that we'll be sending to you is to... We're suggesting that it's dropped to where it says 40 to 35 and then 30 before or a camel's on view so that people go to 30 before they go down past being and see down the hill and through the village. Because there's some busy intersection and people are steaming through there at 40, 50. And they're still ending up in their yard. I mean, people, even though they increase the signage, it's still not sufficient. And they go battling white to go to stove. And then they turn around and what I mean, they turn around and really make a mess of it. And it's just too often. He also mentioned, and he's mentioned this before, that he can't hear us. He says the same problem with Waystil. Because the acoustics are so bad in here. So he said... First people watch this in the meeting. Okay, let's just talk about it. Yeah, I'm sorry, yes. You're not lying, but you're watching it on TV. And, yeah, sorry. And so he suggested having microphones or something to speak into. I don't know if we get close to the owl or around the wood. I don't know. I had a hard time and I didn't mind seeing what we did. Oh, soon as awful. But that's not the orca thing. Yeah, I watched one of the orca things and I didn't really have a hard time. So you should not be like that. I do zoom all the time at work. And I can hear, and there's 500 of us on the thing sometimes. And you can hear whoever's talking as long as there's a shut down. Right. So let's look at this. You know, we should contact Butter and that. Okay. Sorry. Remember I said, the guy who developed, one of the people who developed this thing has a home here in Muartown. Remember I mentioned a couple of months ago that I met him? I met him. I was told up when I haven't met him personally, but I met someone who was friends with him. And asked him if he would come to the meeting and help run us through it and get some feedback just for what like you're talking with everybody's talking about right now. You know, we have some issues. This guy is. I got a lot of issues with this guy. No, I have his name written down somewhere in here, but I can reach out to him and see if he, you know, comes to a meeting or a morning session or something, you know. Because it might be something we can get, whether it's cooking into that or this. If he was on Zoom, it's the owl. But if he's watching it on TV, he's watching it on. So it's that box. I wonder if he has access to get into Orca when they put it on. Because usually that is pretty good if it's not on TV. So if they have access to listen to it that way instead of watching him. Sir, are you going back over to me? Yeah. Yeah. So Orca, the reason Orca is better because they actually get into the Zoom. Is that what you're, you know, they're audience. So they're picking from the computer. But like you said, these guys are just. And it takes, I mean, when I do the minutes, it takes Orca five days to get them out because I think they're going in. And clearing everything. So maybe that some sound piece with that has to do. The owl is totally different. If you're in a Zoom meeting in here because I've done it and I can barely hear what's going on. From the owl. It's bad. No, I've seen people do it. Yeah. But that's totally separate from watching it on TV, which is what. Well, yeah. And we can also, you know, send out something to Barnard and see if there's any you know, you know, they must have learned in this that people have poor audio and maybe there's something that we can clip on or. So that all, all avenues are getting the same. But the same thing. How are you going to reach out to the owl? All right. Any other old business and we've been hitting most things as we go along? I don't think so. We have a select board meeting in two minutes. Actually, the Freeman Hill corner, is that something that our committee should be looking into? Yeah. Since we're looking that whole area. We didn't tell you. We would follow up on that. And I think with that, John, that is something we talk about, maybe roads or things like that. And I would buy it and I think what happens in the state needs to be a little blasted. You know what I mean? It would be gazillions of dollars to move the road across if you could even get an easter to do that. But the state should be able to come in and blast the corner blast both sides and just bring it back with it. Whether it's blasting or chicken or whatever they do. That new house there. Yeah, but that hill Yeah, but that is That's after. That's totally after. Because it almost comes out. Freeman Hill Road comes out just the other day. And they just need to blast back a little bit. We'll start. Speaking of the house, that was a nice house. Looks like they're built over there. Who was built over there? I don't know. You can see the trees down here. What's that? I think the front corner I went to bring back so that maybe you came out of the corner by Freeman Hill there was a truck on its side right in the field. So I don't know if they were coming in around through there too fast. I mean, there wasn't any signers or anything. And the guy was sitting out on the other side. Usually you see him on the other side in the cemetery. But that field down, Freeman Hill is here right here. I don't know. And since we're talking about that area, our neighbors are at Pony Farm. It was did we request if they don't park there just in the winter? Because now that they have bought a new vehicle to replace the one with a broken window. Same license plate for a different vehicle, but it's a lot. So what I think we need to do we're going to buy a new selection. Yeah, we can do that at some point. But I think we should have a line painted. So that would define really where it is. I mean, it's obvious to see where it is. And then bring them in here and say, okay, you got to be three feet off that white line or that yellow line or whatever it is. Right. I've been by there many times and it's not safe at all. No, right. And they have it. I just don't know what people are thinking. They just think they can park in the middle of the road all the time. Right. I mean, once in a while, it's just they come behind you and they're just turning out the cars and it's in the middle of the road. And you can't have that. You can't get hurt there, whether it's a pedestrian walking around it. Someone on their bicycle. It is a tough intersection. Yeah, yeah. You really do have to you need all of that space, every bit of that space to make that happen. Yeah. I mean, it would seem like the main one could just ask them to come to a meeting and just say, hey, you know, we've got to work this out because it's dangerous. Otherwise, we're going to have to stop. Well, I know. I think that's why if we drive a line in the sand, if you will, so people know where, or maybe not, maybe just not on the tarp or whatever, but either way, there's not a lot of talking left. I mean, it's like you can't get on the road. And they did stop and and again, it's one of those things that you don't want to be a jerk, but I mean, it's sorry, but it's causing it will cause a problem for someone that hasn't already. What seems to be their problem? They don't have to work. They don't have to work. Well, they can. They have to back one out if somebody wants to. Right. So they might have put all three and one sticks out. No, not quite. Okay, well, they're parked in the road. You can fit three vehicles in that space, but it's inconvenient. Maybe one of those, I mean, we don't need it on the sign, but, you know, no parking in the travel lane. That's what we see. Yeah, that is a typical sign. They got one over by Red Hat, you know. Right. So are you even... You know, I think maybe somebody, maybe Don, maybe you and I can just take a walk by and knock on the door and say, and just talk to them. I mean, we don't want to be starting something or having something that we're, you know, these jerks from the town and everything. We all got to live together. Right. We don't want to wait until someone gets killed like having become, you know, right. They don't really do. Yeah, exactly. It was a bicycle-er, you know. Actually, I might buy there a lot. I'll look to see someone there. And just say what you know we've had. Yeah. Just know what... And then, you know, and then if they... We'll see how it goes. That doesn't work and we'll go to Plan B. Right. No, right? That makes sense, I mean. Let's try to... Be nice. Anything else there, John? No, it makes sense. We've talked to you about the condensation and the new machine. Did you just buy stuff that was cheap at auction or did you have a use for that? We thought we had a use and then we didn't. So it's sitting in the story. It's sitting in a storage unit right now and it's like the literally last thing in the storage unit. So it's like, keep paying, you know, $75 a month. We'll bring it to the dump and, you know, it's a $700 piece of it, you know. We'll say why throw it in the dump, you know. I think it's what I use in my basement. Yeah. It's pretty big, you know. It's kind of like a little tiny thing. Any other... Any new business that you want us to bring up? Sorry. All right. So let's go ahead and approve the select board minutes from the 7th of August 2023. I wasn't sure about the errors and omissions, but that's just stuff that kind of came up that we didn't talk about. Actually, on page 2 under the Town Hall, we have the town data motion to accept the recommendation. It was never a second on that. I don't even know what that we voted on. Yeah, we did. We did? We should show you that. No, it's not. It says Tom made the motion to accept the motion. I think I second. Yeah, I was going to say John. Yeah, we got it all. Yeah. Okay. I'll make a motion that we approve the minutes with the amendment under the Town Hall that I seconded the town's motion and that we were all in favor. Second motion. All in favor? All right. All right. All right, so we just so shall we have just the errors and omissions to sign? Yes. Who needs to do this? Overload is from Joshua. John and Don at Science. The guys I know. I found it Sasha on page 3 where it says Don defies the Town Hall design if you were going to the next page. The next one it says is a type graphical circuit. Top. Top. Thank you. Looks like he did some work for us on the flood stuff. A flood stuff? Yeah. It's an invoice for 12,000. I should take one of these. If you want to look at the the docs. This one you did in town it looks like it goes through. It goes by Yeah. This is all this packet goes all storm stuff. Mike Well John enjoy your trip. No thank you. Home base is going to be tallest. Really? How long you know? Nine days. Good for you. Thank you. National parks and monuments. She was my wife once. Last one? My wife once. No really? So I moved to adjourn. Second. Thank you Miss Kelly. All in favour of what I? Aye. Aye.