 Thank you very much and thank you very much for this warm welcome. I'm very honored to be here in this Hardware track. So yeah, I'm talking about a pocket science lab PS lab And I want to go a little bit into detail also how we actually went into large-scale production Seems like this is something that a lot of people are interested in here as well so, yeah Okay, so Pocket science lab how to use it and Basically, it's a useful Like measurement tool and that's our idea. So basically we want to have a tool where you can measure all kinds of things It has Integrated components that can be used by pins So you have small cables that you can plug into the pins and you can do Measurements or you can extend it with sensors and yeah, we have different apps with a desktop app Android app And you can of course make your own app And here are like a few more examples So there's an oscilloscope that you can use it with there's a multimeter logic analyzer You can use it as a wave generator power source accelerometer Barometer compass as I said can plug in any sensors any I squared C sensor. That's all fine And for some we also have lax meter and more instruments. So how does it work? So basically you have The pocket science lab and you have your phone. So you connect your phone to the pocket science lab and Yeah, and you get the app so there's an app on asteroid and of course on the play store and Then basically it starts to okay unplug but like it starts to Yeah, collect Data for example, we have this instrument here, which is a an oscilloscope So you will have like different Like visuals here that you can see on the oscilloscope from the lab So you plug in small cables here But actually if you just want to try out the app and you guys know that the phone already has a lot of sensors as well You can use it directly as well. For example, you can plug in here or switch on you switch on the microphone and you Yeah, I don't know if you can see it on cam but like you can you can try it out So I go a little bit more in detail here later as well And yeah, I know you guys are really into hardware So I will hand this device around and you can like have a look onto it and also like a box with a few more things if you Interested to do some tests right away okay, so Basically, that's how it works Always have these questions like what are the specifics? What is the range and so on so here's a Bit information about this is that there's a 4-channel or oscilloscope with a 12-bit voltmeter 12-bit programmable programmable voltage sources and Yeah, of course logic analyzer wave generators is actually also a square wave generator, not just sine wave Capacitance resistance. There are a lot of connectors. There's a frequency counter and so on so pretty cool And then they are waveform generators As you can see and you can for example also use these plugs for robotics okay, so How did we actually come up with this project and in 2014 a friend of us came to the first Asia Summit and like People always see this project and they associate associated with first Asia and they wonder like I'm not Asian Okay, so I live many years in Asia and we run all these Like commercial projects what with free and open source software for example We set up like big offices For the Swiss post where we like installed 500 computers in their office with Linux and a lot of people worked on that with Gimp and all these kind of things So that was pretty cool because always my dream to work with free and open source software And however like I'm from Berlin and I felt a bit like you know like when I'm in Berlin I knew for example sea base and other hacker spaces and I was like That's how the world is every city has a hacker space. It turned out later when I grew up It's not the case. Yeah, so and I went around the world. I learned languages I'm really interested but I feel a bit like cut off because when I go to a hacker space I meet a lot of cool people and they tell me stories. They tell me things that I don't find online yet So we said how can we reconnect to more cool people in the community and people who work on awesome projects So we started this event and we thought well for us right free and open source So we don't want to exclude everyone we are for free We are for open and all these things and where are we we're in Asia? So for Asia was the conference that we started people come together have ideas and this is one idea that was started 2014 and a few years later. We find ourselves producing hardware on a larger scale So that's basically the background and here you see Praveen Praveen is a physics teacher in India and he said We need a small instrument like to do experiments in school So we said yeah cool a lot of people have ideas. He already has like some like basic stuff So we definitely support him. So that's how we started and The thing was then he also came up with a hardware So this hardware was developed with key cat in 2014, but it wasn't open source right away It wasn't open and I always said like I want things open, but right? We can't force anyone So we focused with force Asia on our part on the software, but we kept the conversation right as we just heard with Wayne right like years ago people wanted like how can we actually earn income and how does how can open hardware work? The same way the open source works and all the same questions are coming up over and over again And of course a lot of developers also have this question and we need to go step by step So we said let's see how this project develops. So the first version then or the next version came up and We were able over time to convince the hardware developer To open sources, of course, we also paid for it. So that was part of the like of convincing him and that we collected some funds and we were able actually to then Yeah, work on github for example put all the code there And it was a good decision because my thing was this I said like I find a lot of Projects exciting and you know, I can always like support a lot of developers and I'm really into it But like if it's not open, right? I mean, there's so much cool stuff. That's unfortunately not open Right. I want it to be open. Otherwise. There's no point for me to really engage And the other point is that if people move on with a small hardware project How can we stay engaged with them? Or How can we keep up the project? Yeah, so the project might die if It's closed source and we are not able to to continue So good decision because actually one and a half years later the developer did move on but in the meantime, we already got new people on board and For example, we found guys here at the Chaos Communication Congress. We found people who give us feedback Here's a photo like it's it's very dark at the Congress, right? I mean who has been at the CCC, right? Yeah I know a few people by side. Yes, so you guys know it's very dark, but like they're very cool people like for example Bunny Huang and and others who gave us also feedback about production so yeah, we could move on with this feedback to the next version which is then the next version of Using the form factor of Arduino mega because at that time our idea was also if people have boxes Maybe they could reuse those boxes for our hardware, even if it's completely made from scratch And it was also The idea here that we optimize for production for example originally we had Components on both sides, but then like based on the feedback that people gave us we optimized for production For example, keep it on one side. So you have one run less Yeah, keep the components on one side. So and and also like Move components here and there. So there was a lot of good Feedback just like by meeting people at events like this one here today And yeah, so we continued for example one of the other feedbacks then when the next version was That yeah, we should have bluetooth or we should also have an Wi-Fi chip and ESP for example on it and yeah, so we added that And we added also like on the back for example, you see on the device a lot of description So we really try to think it through and make it like easier for people To work with it and yeah adding more digital pins Things like that by the way on the device itself. You don't see a bluetooth chip and an esp chip We are still not like producing hundreds of thousands We are like having batches of thousands and five thousands that we're producing currently And the reason is like that for example, if you export it to Japan or other countries It's sometimes difficult. You might be successful one time But maybe the next time it will get blocked at the border and they will say you are not Certified for Wi-Fi, which doesn't really make sense to me because the chip is certified The hardware doesn't really need to be certified because we don't have battery or something on it So why can't you just put both together? But like these problems exist and a lot of Yeah sales people like ask us Not to do that at the moment Okay, so so this is the current status that you also see on the device that's going around and what are our ideas next for example, one idea is people like to walk around with batches And yeah, we had that at the congress that a lot of people had batches from different projects So we are thinking like maybe we could like plug in a batch for example, where people could display something And that would be cool. By the way, this is also a false asia project here the the batch magic thing that you can find on all things. So that's an idea and Yeah, and we're working on new ideas together for example with partners So this is one partner that advised us. It's the Fraunhofer Institute. I said M They have a startup factory in Berlin and yeah was really good to get this like professional feedback nowadays as well And then of course, we have a partner in China so They we're just producing with us and they're also looking over the hardware and actually we have a person Who speaks chinese so as we are false asia like people speak all kinds of languages So actually like we have our contact mr Weetard who goes to china and then works with a manufacturer because Actually, maybe we so we started the first larger batches in like 2017 2018 And the thing was like maybe we could have started even earlier But right, I mean like you produce large batches is a lot of money You need to come up with this money and if there's an error or mistake then then That's a big thing. And so we don't have an investor. We're completely self funded and Yeah, it was really important to work together with a hardware manufacturer and really understand How to how to do this? So a few lessons learned for example here So so we create the bomb also automatically with key cat. That's a really great feature And yeah, you need to work and coordinate here with producers because sometimes Some components might be older They're not always they may be here available But they might not be available anymore in china and they are already newer components that are cheaper For example, that's the learning then I think that we didn't know actually they can for example produce like in reels or they can have tubes or like Different ways to to put components into the machines and the cost is different Yeah, so we weren't aware aware of that And like as we are producing in china, I think like the I'm not sure my impression is the cost advantage is Yeah, maybe Getting less. I don't know the different opinions on this But like as we're still producing in china It's good to have somebody who speaks chinese because when I ask in english, they say yes and he asks in chinese They say no, yeah, so it's it's really it's really that thing because it's Really to the point if you have somebody who can speak chinese And also expect components to be unavailable. So people might say, okay, maybe in two months The component will be unavailable and if you have a campaign for example a Kickstarter campaign Yeah, and you have the your timeline. So and that is uh, yeah, that could be a problem, right? And yeah, understand what they mean when they say re-manufactured I always like have children and sometimes they slightly mean different things when they say re-manufactured Yeah, it could be that they have actually reels and they have production and some components drop on the floor And they pick them up and put them back in the reel and then they say re-manufactured or they have a big Like batch of of like like, you know unused stuff and like somebody really picks it out By hand manually. Yeah, so so it's it's really something of lower quality And yeah, one thing that we had an issue with was the usb headers. For example, they didn't fit Into the holes because actually they were different usb headers and they had different ranges What what is acceptable? So we had somebody to Uh, yeah that we needed to do this manually push a bit Yeah, so on every every single device that increases costs of production. So don't forget that Things like that could happen And yeah, so female pin headers when sold at straight for example So so these these headers that you see like sticking out there not straight So we needed to make another piece Or kind of another small like component to make it straight during production also increase the price again Yeah, so and a challenge was then that we used another flashing device For the firmware then they And yeah, of course We all wanted to be standard compliant. We once open standards everywhere, but it's not the case yet So the thing is that we had some issues because we use different devices And yeah, we solved that and we found out about that also, of course expect parts to be faulty So for example here, you see that in the real and It was kind of an advantage because we had two companies here and these two companies Yeah looked at each other. Yeah. So, uh, is this right or is this wrong? Okay, so there are a lot of lessons learned. I'm gonna share these slides. You can definitely look more into detail and Yeah, we're working on the next version next version is We're adding an sd card. We add a small battery to keep the time so you can use it as a Like as a hardware For example, like elsewhere You don't need to have it plugged into the phone or into the desktop always just use a battery Get the signals through wi-fi or pick it up from time to time and we're miniaturizing components So some components actually when they get smaller, um, they get cheaper Yeah, so this is something we are looking into this and yeah, please talk to me if you have any Ideas from your side. So for example, what do you want to see? We are thinking about gps We're thinking about the sim card module Maybe integrating some sensors mounts for screens so you can have a screen or led batch on top Yeah, so these are these are ideas and I can talk to you more also For example at our stand tomorrow here at force asia about the architecture about our roadmap There's a lot of things to talk about about the oscilloscope a lot a lot a lot a lot of things and Yeah, and of course, we're also working on this commercially. So maybe I will be able to answer questions um, and I will leave this um, this slide Hang on this slide open this slide open how to make open hardware economically sustainable because that's a big goal of mine I really want That we have more open hardware projects not just as hacking projects But as bringing this open hardware community to to the mainstream and making more Companies successful. So I'm happy to talk about our experience So we have a break even in regards to the production cost at the running cost. Of course the question is always What do you calculate as cost? Yeah, but We are good here and we are producing more and so Happy to collaborate with anyone also like we have some soft some contracts contract work So if anyone here in the room is interested to work with us On on a contract, please talk to us and I would also like to call out daniel daniel. Hi So, um, we are working together on the open next project with the eu funded project. So this is also something that we could maybe Recommend to you if you have a company here in europe and you're interested We would like to share with you how we get into eu projects so it's really about growing the ecosystem and Yeah, using tools that are completely free from hardware to software to the production tools. So thank you very much What is the end? Yeah Yeah, what is the end to end timeline from the idea to Like really having it. So I think like Like four years you could say that. Yeah, whereas like there was already a Some proprietary hardware before so I I can't say exactly and we basically just said like let's see what the people come up with Well, if somebody comes to us and says, oh, we have a great idea. We're not going to stop them, right? So um, so we really got like it was after maybe two years that we really got serious about it Yeah, and nowadays we know how to do it So we actually have other projects like the batch magic or neuro lab and that we can do much faster Yeah, because we already like know how to produce and we are happy to share this Yeah information with you. So maybe it could be faster Yes, everything is on github. Uh, just like github for sasia or go to ps lab website. There's also everything linked Um, I think like there are different licenses But like gpl usually most of it is usually gpl or lgpl Yeah So it's all open Yes, you can buy one. So um, actually we have a stand tomorrow and there's a hong is also in the In the canteen and the old canteen, you know, where everyone passes through There's a small table with a for sasia tablecloth. So people can identify it's it's red and it's 60 euros Yeah Basically like we had some connections already Yeah, so sorry. So why do we produce in china and not in germany? And so as far as I know like most producers who offer these services also produce in germany produce in china So as we already Have a lot of people who speak chinese. We actually don't need to go through the producers You know, we don't need this kind of support. We can just deal with people directly And but there are services that are doing a great job and I would definitely recommend this and I think an opportunity for open hardware is local production. So Right, we we ship the design around the world and not the device I think that would be my goal, but right now this is still a very small project And we are not at this large-scale production Okay, thank you, mario. Thank you