 Coming to the meat products from non-Muslims, the principle is opposite. In the vegetarian the issue was it is permissible unless you know otherwise. When it comes to the meat products, you know, anything that you buy or receive from a non-Muslim which has meat in it, it is to be considered to be haram. That is the principle that you have to follow. Similarly, if you buy or receive food containing meat from a Muslim who bought it from a non-Muslim, whose supplier was a non-Muslim, and it didn't verify whether it was Zabihah or not, that even that meat product will be haram. For example, if you buy, let's say, meat even from a Muslim, but the mark says that this is from a non-Muslim company. If it is not verified, it doesn't have just certification, doesn't have the mark of one of the certifying Muslim organizations, then you cannot eat that meat. But if it has the certified logo, let's say, from Halal Monitoring Authority, HMA, or Halal Monitoring Organization, or from Canada Halal or other companies who are in this business of certifying the Halal meat, even if it comes from a non-Muslim company, then it should be okay.