 We've already approved the agenda. We did that prior So six o'clock was when we were going to talk and to the historical society in regards to potential haul rent costs and activities Thank you Tell me about people talking to you. We are really looking for a zero rent Right now we are supposed to be paying you $200 and $2,400 If we continue paying you $2,400 insurance at $700 a year, I Don't see as being a museum in three years And I think that'd be a great loss for our town. We do a lot for the town Kind of We're keeping the history What we have is in the town office and my factories. I'm yes Yeah, nothing like we have down there any place out. We currently have a hundred and up roughly a hundred seventy five Members who paid you to work at five dollars a year And so today you collect a fifty-five dollars a year We are mailing out roughly when we mail our newsletters and we have one coming out Hopefully in September. We're mailing roughly about two hundred and six two hundred and fifteen Newsletters out. It costs money to print them. It costs money to mail Anyone that's a year over they get free lifetime membership. So some of those one seventy-five We won't see anything from that. So like I said, we won't collect it from 11 people this year We do have hopes of publishing two books. Hopefully in the next few years up One we have a book downstairs 1895 Illustrated look at the link up There is one we've worked on right now for all of the 20th century Working hard every day on it And then Like I said liability on the build-in on the contents of this building and the one Big church Sure, thank you And I see We have in the last couple years we do pay a membership every year for ourselves to be From office work with flag and that's another sense we have We are trying to get our schools our local schools involved Get them to come down for tours Talk about when an essay where the kids in this room type of great level can run the essay Where we will be given them So We are Mary We service travelers as they come through and ask about families used to live here Lady King by a Saturday and she has just bought the Denison house Which is the Brown house above where the fish are on the wall and she bought one seven She was looking for information and she said that she will be back The we have resources and materials and books and pamphlets and We try to find menus for Bringing them out and trying to sell them to those who are interested We also printed as she mentioned the newsletter featuring historical events and people Let us know as soon as we sell them out that they appreciate it They like the history that of Bethel and the surrounding area that we put into that pictures sometimes we put a puzzle or a quiz We have an art show Suzy feet that was now passed on what she had an art show for twice a year spring and fall That seems to bring people Into the town as they go through they'll see the sign and they want to come in and see and the people who do the paintings and various art objects We have speakers to come in and they have a lot of knowledge on the history of our area Dr. Menziger came in one time and talked to us about the 27th floor And we had Dr. Warren come in and talk to us about civil war medicine Very interesting and We just So what is the current trees, you know what the current agreement? I mean, is there a written agreement is it a Supposedly, you know, we can't find it. We don't have a coffee Joanne can't you said you didn't have it Kelly went back and looked in the minutes And we found where there was a discussion about it that the select board signed one But we can't find it we didn't they didn't you know copy it into the minutes or anything we've searched we can't find what we did find was They had mentioned it. I think you've got a historic preservation grant and That and it was mentioned in the historic preservation grant that they were reaching out an agreement But we did find the minutes where they adopted one, but we've never we've searched and we cannot find a hard copy And so we called Joanne and she said she didn't have one either Yeah, so I don't know if yeah, we've looked but we can't find it so I don't know Where it is, but we know that's the agreed amount because it had been 2400 because it had been that way in the town reports for a long time And there was no described everybody agreed that it was 2400 a month But when the lease was supposed to renew or a year would yeah, not a month when I was supposed to renew Nobody seems to know when it was supposed to renew either or We don't know if it was in perpetuity Renovation was done and then we moved in here and Well, after that the agreement came about paying The higher end which was four hundred dollars a month We wouldn't afford it. We wouldn't afford it for a little bit and then and then you've got down to two hundred dollars a month and Write down specifically after COVID As you know with everybody is hurting At the beginning of the renovations we try to make as much money for the museum. I Remember those half moon windows all around these are new. They were all replaced One day I'm going by and I see the dumps are full of them and I asked that I wall one With these cool windows going says in the dump This is when I have Your cell Well, we made about eight hundred dollars out of those windows In other words, and we got when I say we made the historical sighted not me or anybody else certainly will the community help us they Referred us them in every game We gave a couple we donated a couple to one of them probably stealing the capital pizza Then only Jim Fisher He was great So we thought you would have one for and he loved it. It's right there We sold a couple of dollars for two hundred dollars, please You didn't cost us anything because the people were renovating They gave it out as a donation to the society and the town so we are not shitting We're not going around with enhanced extended Money No, I was I guess I was just kind of the impression all these years that you know this Maybe the state had some sort of formula that you know of a yearly stipend that they gave out historical societies to pay for Potential building rent and things like that. So I just assumed now we two hundred dollars a month was maybe it was like a state handed down You know rental thing. I didn't know that they paid it directly Yeah, I saw that we did see the discussion where it went from four to two We could see that in a minute. So we did see that. No, they've made the agreement themselves Years ago We're not in stride deciding not clear one is the fellow designed this building Italian bones and Stone stones stone bones I don't know if you know it, but there was full of Italians under some years ago Italians have most of them Build help build the keep on very little 90% of the workforce was Italian Well, even today after a lot of circulation this side Six years now, I'm still getting phone calls and requests from around the country people are asking me to If I have a time I'll try to do it if I don't I tell them Hope the town hall maybe they can help you there So it isn't that we sit and still doing nothing we We preserve the town as much we want to preserve the history of the town as much as we can so So what do you think threes? I think that you will have to if you want to wave the rent Then you'll have to make a motion to do that because I obviously can't find the lease But it would be good to have in the minutes documented if that's what you're going to do If you're going to wave the rent use the rent, whatever it is you're going to do as a board Totally up to you and There is some past rent right now that's outstanding Correct. Are you asking them to wave? Okay, that's what I was thinking it had been a while Just can't see why that didn't happen. Yeah, but so I wasn't sure so I'm so so it's a so it's moving forward as well as like it's like a past World War one down one down on the front of the boat. We've priced that It has been to do it. We've seen a price of 3,100 to 3,500 to do it If that meant was way to be able to do that We don't know for where for sure Janet like on the other side of the building we've talked about asking on rock of ages for a big piece of granite But it's not bad. You don't know yet We really should do it And then after that one stuff we would like to go do all the other ones some of the wars We don't have to go back to them Have you ever done just out of curiosity because I don't know it's more of a historical question. Have you ever done a capital campaign? To raise money for any specific thing like when you're moving into the hall or When your books are I wasn't sure what you've done Yeah I Haven't fundraising every year, which they call the mighty black campaign. So I think that we I copy We send letters out and I asked the members If you figure you connect for collect donate four dollars a month For a year imagine what we can do with that with that fuel responses at the tomb of $870 Not much, but plenty for a few people Which has thrown the idea to do doing that again this year Yeah Since COVID-19 we follow behind on things Our group has gotten smaller We both have our museum up. I think three times now since we've been able to We're trying to open it up twice a month It's hard and there's only like six or seven right doors, but hopefully as we go Yeah, I was just curious I didn't know so thank you And I mean we understand every time any council is about I think if we had our taxpayers here, they could say wait We should do something maybe for town report Kind of like a resource a center resource center for the community People that need to have information about Buildings and houses where they Know they live and I think the society is very important as a resource center People come about and it's resource People traveling through but also Village so Museum has a lot of different part information for that particular need Every community does that Our society is very much involved in that providing that particular service At least once a year for the last few years we have been fighting that Out of the sisters brothers from the Joseph Smith Memorial down to help our people do the genealogy Searches and we do have a lot of people they'll sit down They'll help them find a man help them start their tree So what's the court I just a common in fact that I Don't see anything in any of the Media whether it be Facebook or any of those It's not a forum or Society Facebook page Okay, I'm not anyway. I don't I don't look at that what my point being I'm just thinking that maybe there's some other way some way You have more of the info of the need and then the info of what you have out Don't know what I don't know what that is I Yes, yes they are yep, I remember seeing there's a I know there's a link about the Bethel historical society And I'm assuming that somehow they're linked to the town like if she puts something Kelly can like it on the town's Facebook page So and Joanne's going to reach out to Kelly about some from porch forum and some stuff I was amazed at what you have down there. I went in when they first moved in and it was all kind of Stucked in there and it was not impressive at all I'm very impressed I Think what you do is very very important And I think that there are many many people more than what you have on your membership list who would be supported And you're not putting your hand up if you ask the citizens of this community To provide support what you are doing people in this community or generous they want to give They are already giving to churches to this group to that group You're just simply saying here is an opportunity for you to support something you believe in Which is the history of this town? You're not asking for begging You know people to give you some support a good financial campaign Reaches out and it gives people an opportunity to express themselves Through some financial support even if they don't choose to be a member So I would encourage you to think long and hard about that About reaching out beyond just the membership and I don't and I pick up on what Dave said I don't know what you have done in terms of recruiting members Either which is another way to increase that that basic support. I'm not saying we should or you shouldn't Reduce the rent. I'm simply saying there are other ways for historical societies to Receive the fun they need in order to do the work that they do So I Hear the Fair Nights family down there on the sidewalk the wooden figures of them We go right out to the sidewalk and then put the open sign We have sat down, they're not at all even after average nights in it. I think we can do more I will reach out to Kelly of the media forum page Well, I'm specifically recommending the fundraising That you think about it, I'm not But there's a different kind of an attitude that I'm suggesting Not with your hand You're not begging You're giving people an opportunity to direct what they are already doing And to include you in their game 2007 I stopped doing a postcard in a stamp show in Bethel And he went on for 10 years Over the period of 10 years that brought into society about $20,000 I Think you folks do a tremendous job I've read most of the books that you have down there and it's just fascinating stuff So I'd like to make a motion that we eliminate the monthly rent and neutralize the balance That's how All in favor Okay In my personal collection I dare to say that I almost have every town report 1900 on and one that I don't remember the year but the town of Bethel Had an idea of an increase in number of select board from three to five and two years later I can't remember the funny way it was described But they said it had it down back to three because there are so many disagreements around this You know Thank you for everything that you do and you know You know that your time is valuable and you put a lot of time down there, so so thank you Sure We could only learn Thanks Thank you very much Yeah Um I get their name escapes me right now actually I eat up does Kelly. I'm drawing No, I haven't had many I haven't well we haven't used it because of COVID so we kind of laid somebody out for a while Oh Don't bring them back exactly that's about right Yeah, I think we walk up here. Oh probably people don't put anything Yeah Oh sure, I think that's true I'll mention to Kelly because she does the walk through with people so I'll let her know To put tell me to put it back Exactly I'll make a note to talk to you. Thank you. Have a good evening Kevin Barry come on down So we need to get People with specific needs into the blossom So as you know The blossom block we have a chance of it and so I need to know what your ideas are on Croaching on to using part of the sidewalk for the ramp to get people in Because you'd specifically asked for a three foot wide by 12 foot long So it's under the you know, obviously it's a hundred square feet and you're gonna get a zoning permit So you're kind of under the threshold that you had said you want to leave about three feet open for pedestrian Which was the same distance that Yes, okay, that's what I told us like for okay That was one of the ideas. Yeah, so you have a rise to run issue to get them in Is there and there's no room in the building to like the town office? You kind of go ramp and then you kind of come in and there's this in this way this way You don't come in because we had to make it up somewhere. Yeah, right. We don't have that option So we have a lot of competing. We have a lot of competing things going on. We have the ADA requirements Which are administrator by the fire and safety guys from the state We have the historic preservation people like one one guy that I was brainstorming with he says just take out this bay window We can do it. Just like it's like, yeah, that's not gonna work And then we have the town because you own the sidewalk so if you did your three foot by 12 foot does that meet the ADA requirements because About the rise to run issue that you have Technically it would it would depend on what J. Moody comes up with you know Like he doesn't like us restricting any movement on the sidewalk like he doesn't like having those sidewalk signs outside the doors Who's J. Moody is the fire safety inspector for this area. Okay. I was like Okay, so So I just need to put everything together to see where everybody is on things and then I can come up with a plan on Okay, the town will allow this and the state will let me do this and And What's that they're gonna require really they usually do yes Yeah, and it's ugly, man, I think you know it and I was trying to talk with Paul I know right when I came on to the slide for it. We had I don't know if it was directed with you or not, but at that time there was some talking about some of the Accessibility to buildings in the downtown and and you know what we have for sidewalk to you know You know to work with and and I know we had talked about that, you know that your two buildings were And I think maybe even our own block to me was setting were challenging to get accessibility in there and I guess what I would be you know looking to see is if you You know, I think that we're all you know Speak for a little bit, but I think we're all you know business friendly and you know, whatever we can do to make things accessible within reason You know that we're open to I guess what I would be looking for is just You know if you came to to the select board with some sort of and it doesn't have to be a p-stand plan But something that shows kind of on paper that This is what we need at a minimum to meet the criteria here So that we can look at and actually say okay or maybe even walk out in front of your building And so we can actually see the picture and how does that you know How would it potentially impede? You know walking traffic or other traffic in front of the building and then then at least we can see it right now I'm thinking like 3 by 12 and you know, how does that look you know? Yeah, which we have known for the landing because the bay windows come out Okay, and the doorway is recessed within those two bay windows Yeah Curious well first curious to see what the plan looks like, you know to meet the minimum threshold for that That way I can get a better picture And the actual railing is part of the structure of the ramp So it's not necessarily hanging out further than three feet You know, I think the outside dimensions of the Apparatus would probably be over three feet because you want three feet on the scent on the inside Is there any trees is there any like minimum standards that we have to comply with You know sidewalk width-wise No to make them compliant Well, I mean you're gonna want to make sure that people can get a wheelchair and a stroller and that the remaining You know piece that you leave open is open You know for people to get through so and the statue pretty much leaves it up to your discretion Certainly because he is currently it depends on the size of the diameter change if the size has changed You go under over a hundred square feet You're gonna need a zoning permit if you stay under the hundred you don't but either way It's gonna need the select board's blessing whether it's zoning You'd have to get a zoning permit blessing from the DRB plus the select board But I would say if you know it doesn't seem to be and I've never heard an issue in front of cock-a-doodle They end up building a porch and the handicap ramp So, you know, I think like you said you were all aware that Needed accessibility to his buildings and you want him to you know for economic development purposes We need access to his building. Do you have a business that's preparing to come in or is this just we're in discussions with somebody And that's what kind of brought it to the brought it to the head Yeah, we're just talking right now about the center space You know, it would be in the long term it would be really nice to you know, like The only way to solve the problem in a in a big way is to Change the grade of the street and bring your sidewalks up to meet the buildings So that we can at least have a fighting chance a shot at getting getting ADA Compliancy that way and that's the only really pretty way virgins get it and it's really great because you know Looks nice. You're right. I know that Certainly that's where the better connections beffle for all ages eight to eighty certainly something You know that they're looking at accessibility and I did ask them as part of it that I'd like to see Tips for people who already own businesses and beffle How can you know what can an owner do to make your building more accessible on you? But also yeah, I mean obviously if we're gonna do it We need to keep saying invite size pieces something we can actually afford to do but it's down the road But I think you know sounds like sort of that group Chris that if you were gonna do it a plan like what you were gonna Make the materials out of what it's gonna look like a little drawing and but yeah the minute you go over that square footage You'll need both unfortunately a zoning and not trying to We have What I'm shooting for is one foot a rise so that gives us 12 feet of run We're a little over we're a little over a foot right now So I'm trying to figure out No, it would have to start you know back at the gas station You know so yeah, it's not you know and the the Arnold block is it's impossible. There's just no way You know you got 42 inches. I think for that deck Yeah No, I mean I Say Kevin, I don't think again. You need to go as far as like Because we could give you permission tonight and you say, you know, you talk to someone so this Well, thank you, that's yeah, that's good enough So it's nice to know that you you guys are open different ideas. So when I meet with the fire safety guy He may have a problem with impeding on the sidewalk and And from what I'm hearing you're saying is like as long as it's okay as long as it meets all the specs It's okay to impede on the sidewalk And we do have a super white. We the blossom block has the whitest part of the sidewalk of any of the buildings as long as piece you leave open is Accessible, I think you know wheelchair strollers, you know, that's a good thing Talk to them District or something. Maybe they have some I cannot respond minimum with the sidewalk, you know Yeah, yeah Well, it depends because sometimes like what sidewalks are reason I was gonna say some towns only have forfa sidewalks So but I can ask for a spot, but the other thing is the maintenance, you know, we're Clearing the sidewalks going down through the it's gonna be a little bit of a problem Yeah Well, what are you doing in front of cocked a little right now probably gets plowed up on there Covered yeah, I mean he's talking about the snow cloud pushing snow He's probably pushing into the street if he's going one way he's angling his plow to push and you keep your shoveled out anyways I'm just think we get some sort of points once you meet with and find out what what the minimum dimensions are to make this work You don't get that information to To trees, you know, at least we can look at it Can't see why we wouldn't and unless we get something that says well You have a minimum footage to the air for traveling public, you know, right, right? Yeah, I'll reach out to the be trans and get some information also meeting with a guy for pedestrian safety Actually, I've been meeting with him Thursday at one. So I find some now. I'll just email you and let you Okay, all right any other questions being in the historical district with all of those Requirements you can't go inside and put a ramp in front between the windows and the commercial space there There I have seen done where you put an interior ramp changes the outside View because you have to put a mud room on the inside and you have to have enough run You know, so you cut the sill Right, so the cells are eight by eight and then you got some sheeting on top of it You lower the door down and you start your ramp at the door and you come inside So you're cutting everything in the cellar the ceiling you cut that out reframe it you come in It's a problem. It creates that you have to put railings on it It changes the whole dynamics of a room But that I have seen that done in certain circumstances Yeah, and you have to have railings on both sides of that so that people don't fall off the Yeah, and then you got this door it's like way inside the room so Yeah, I would just again I would just get your drawing in it or maybe it's two options You come to the board you say here's option one and option two that meets the requirements and you know Maybe one and needs a little more than the other or something and we can work it out. Okay, it's definitely I've been You know knowledgeable of the situation since I came on board that we had talked about accessibility to Yeah, and the town needs you to Develop them, you know people want economic development. So obviously they're going to meet you help you to get that to get people in the Install whatever it is. You know, just get that back to Theresa and she can give it to us. I'm gonna take a look at it All right. All right. Thank you. Yep. Thanks. Take care Okay Thank you good to know hey, we were here too. I'll just like last time Well, that's a good to know hey gave you 30 minutes to do something I think you just have one thing that we've talked about and Census on at our last equity meeting meeting, which is just a proposal ask of y'all that we could Have select board meetings be a hybrid model of both in person and be a zoom We talked about that from the vantage point of accessibility for people who have kids at home People who cannot make it downtown because of transportation or accessibility issues And I think we did see a little bit of an increase in public participation during the pandemic at certain times perhaps because The meetings were on zoom and so we wondered if that was a possibility for y'all And then the second part of that is just if there's anything our committee can do to help make that happen We thought specifically because there's already someone hello Video taping what's happening and there sound being recorded that it doesn't feel like it would be that far of a leap to Also be live streaming that through the zoom platform We'd love to do that. I don't know how I mean orca records them. So they're all meetings are accessible people Read the minutes. I met with a gentleman tonight who follows our minutes and he made appointment I came down at 415 today and I met with him and the orca is on their website You can see the minutes to all the select board meetings So if someone wanted to see them there's they get them online they can get them here But so I guess the question would be more for orca Because Heading on the setup of town hall what's available how it if it can be live streamed or not I don't know and that's a one-way stream to just remember that that's please, you know I've been a town were live streamed, but there's no calling, you know And so the minutes so currently the meetings are available on Orcas website we can see them and they can read the minutes I think we were thinking more for live Participation so people have something for public comment for example Okay, all right, I wasn't sure what you were looking for okay Transfer station get together. We had a very difficult to follow Will screen Have somebody be able to participate No, they won't speak for example and in the acoustics of them hearing So we can come up with some way to Technologically We did have More names across the top I mean I did Look at our previous meetings when we were in If you take out like you take out the appointment, so You may have a point that you just kind of blocked them all out and you look to see who your actual There really was no change between what we have here tonight, which I would say you know our normal three to five Versus the call which was like normal three five So I didn't really see like You know, I think we always talk about it You know like when we went to zoom we're like, oh, this is gonna be great And more just patient you could just call in, you know, it's right now the biggest things people have on all the time You know, I don't and we get to zoom and it was like You know, you even on some of the you know hearing type stuff, you know, there wasn't any more Moving town meeting from a month from a day cruising with Saturday and maybe it's always same amount of people Maybe different people, but it's you know pretty similar More out of I mean, I guess I guess the question I flip back is you know what Between what we're currently doing, you know, what what are the major conflicts or issues with you know, currently like Teresa saying currently we have You know currently we have a building well most of times under construction But currently have a building that is handicapped accessible. So, you know All individuals should be able to attend in law in person if If they are willing to do so We do have everything most of the time once in a while work it doesn't come but most of time work is here And you know, so we have those pieces of it And You know, I was just I'm just comparing it to I go to a lot of other town Meetings just from my my work and often like just looking at a small town of Ethel like we have In a lot of cases we're a little more advanced than most of the other towns and it comes to you know You go to the board meetings some of these other towns and it literally is the same thing You know, there's like one person in the audience, but they don't have work You know, they have one person to just take notes. So basically if you weren't there that night the only way You would find out anything is just the big meeting notes, you know So there is you know, it seems like You know, we have a nice place that's kind of open a lot of them are really, you know Literally they might be inside the top town office and a small little cramped meeting room You know, which is great for zoom because you get you know better acoustics and things because it's a small room but not good for You know a turnout for like the bylaws or something like that where you know, you get well Maybe you don't get a lot. Yeah, but you know, you should get more attendance. So I did call Royalton South Royalton to see what they did or Royalton to Ask Victoria and They have a smaller room, which is nice So they already had their shoes, but and they already had a television and they had they invested at least a thousand dollars Into one piece of equipment the only advice she had was make sure that you have really good sound quality She said that was a real problem for us trying to figure that hurdle out And I know Lindley can't be here tonight But she did say in her notes to me that she was in favor of exploring The option to see what's out there. I did call our we have someone who does our computer stuff Evermont digital and I did talk called spoke to Vincent Nastin. If are they coming out and Make helping towns do that. So if it was something Yeah, if it was affordable we could get you know, and I be honest I just canceled zone because not that it was we're using it. So um, but we can I mean, it's always good to see what the options are. I mean, no doubt. I think that I always just have to chuckle because over the years It's always like anytime you do something that you would say this is a no-brainer once we do this Yeah, like our participation is gonna go through the right and then it's like the same five people I always got a chuckle out of it because it's like your zoom and then it's like thing, you know, okay Here's Doug. Here's Ellie and in it. Here's no one, you know, Jesse and Thomas, you know Except we just couldn't see you or touch you Yeah, you're on the phone. Yeah, so it's like it was kind of interesting. It was the same individuals just you know, yeah No, so so we can definitely look into it. I mean, I think the biggest challenge is You know, if we determine You know, well back up we used to do the meetings at the town office Kind of where Teresa's office. Yeah in the back there But some of the issues that people used to have was one the accessibility the office there is very poor Being that you know, you get more than five vehicles there. It's pretty hard to figure out where you're gonna park But it's just very confined like if you got more than five or six people in the audience, you were you know, you were snuggled right in there Yeah, so the determination was made one because of Overcrowding, you know, but two it was like getting more out of the town hall because you know They put all this money into the town hall that we weren't getting a lot out of so it was kind of Let's have the board meetings here, of course as we found out quickly here is the acoustics is very poor You know, sometimes we struggle this you know from this side of the table to that side of the table to hear each other not alone, you know record it and and We had One of the waste advisory meetings that we had in here we did like zoom thing Oh man, like the person fit there was like two board to two members members that were like from a fire And they were trained like So we can certainly I can ask them on digital to come up and see what sort of money we're talking about obviously No, that's one of the concerns. It's a big space, but And on her desk, please do you have some idea what the cost would be? a pastor in a church As a result the number of shut-ins that I had to visit Reduced by about 90% Not a single one of them would have ever said do this for me but When we did it, they did come the second is the church I now attend in Randolph and the church here Community church Started streaming the service during COVID and now we are doing a mixed hybrid thing and Last week for the first time since we were doing in-person worship plus The zoom we actually had people from the zoom Who don't live anywhere near here? But we're sending in by a chat prayer requests Now that meant of course we had the Technological stuff that we had to buy and we invested in and that's But then it also required somebody at the meeting who would be monitoring the chat In order so that if somebody We would know that so down those were the two That's the biggest drawback. I would encourage us to explore it. I can find out What That's what we'll have to do for sure and and you're right the point you make about zoom is a valid one We did it with Lindley. It was just Chris and I but I can't I'm trying to find someone to take our minutes So I'm taking the minutes working the minute I can't also check the zoom chat I'm trying to pay someone 25 bucks an hour to take minutes and we've had zero inquiries So we can certainly I'm all for exploring it and seeing what the price is and figuring out how We can manage it, but you're right You're right about That's that would be The other question that I would ask is I don't know whether You all would be willing to take a feed off of what you're already doing That could go into zoom Because that may eliminate That that may provide a lot of technical Capacity so how to throw that out there Well, I think they the other thing too You know Our board is very accommodating so You know just to remind people that you know the meeting of the select board is the meeting of the select board So it's not the meeting of the select board and towns people so it's I Think sometimes we lose sight of that but we've been very accommodating here So a typical board seven if you went to like a city council meeting or something like that It's open to the public for the transparency and the things and there is often a Spot in the program with where the public can comment But usually There's no open dialogue back and forth like often here You know if if if we're talking about I don't know buying a truck and Doug puts his hand up, you know 99% of the time Doug has an opportunity to say something in regards to that where I would say probably the majority of towns Doug might not have an opportunity because it's not up to we don't have to call anybody from the audience And I think we lose sight of that and I used to when I used to be in the audience I used to always say the people that were you know, it's not it's their meeting like you're kind of like the audience like play You're watching it you can hear and you know here at real time. I think we lose sight of so back to When we were doing the zoom session At least as a facilitator of the meeting. It's very challenging for myself or whoever is bored To facilitate it other than being group and what I mean is when you have like, you know When you have the the Brady Bunch screen you see all the people on there and all of a sudden someone starts talking that might be in regards to an item Unless I'm rude and I just hit the mute button, you know, that's very it's very hard to facilitate You know So it's very hard, you know To facilitate So I would say if we did develop that's where I was kind of get that if we were able to develop a process to Have it the zoom it would probably be where we would want it muted So the audience will be muted the entire time except for Except for like the public comment period, you know, yeah, and if they raise their hand Yeah, so maybe during the public comment period we would have the device somewhere locally where we can Yeah, be interacted with that and then after that would be more of like a from a distance type of thing I don't know and there may be other options that we haven't thought of so I'll Reach out to work 35 or 40 people To meet that goal we're gonna throw in this other idea Actually, we'll bring back the pop-ups Let's level up on our website and our presence online is if you really are looking to take, you know You're saying you're accessible and you are and I appreciate that you acknowledge that and that's important to this this group I also think We also have if we want to see more participation, there's a different Type of person participating and how participation is defined now is very different to in the past And I think we do need to acknowledge that and Understand that maybe if we would like to see more participation in different ways Maybe that is via zoom or a facebook or you know your points about the social media with the historical society I think that could be said for every one of our town groups and committees and things like we could all level up a little bit more if we had Some additional guidance around social media and other platforms To make us more accessible and I think that's at the essence and I think our ask about this meeting Is a logical place to start because if if we can do it with this group All the other groups we can do it too and I think oftentimes The reason why we do or are able to have Or we're able to invite the public into the conversation on the items Is because most of the time it is only two or three of you, right? So it's it's easier to have that because if you have an audience of 30 people and everybody's got something They want to say we'd be here like all night trying to get so let me amend my my my Intention of the work participate by showing up we're participating in our citizenship, right? So i'm not saying we're trying to bust into your business now. I mean maybe we will if it's It needs to be but I mean and that's our duty, right? It's to serve our communities, but By showing up. I mean we're participating So I don't want to I don't want you to misunderstand my term my use of that word. No, I think we understand I mean if there's opportunities to You know use technology and things like that. Yeah, I know for our community. It makes sense, right? So we'll definitely look into that and I I don't know where that goes like I'll have to get some Yeah, and it may be something that depending on what ends is what we need to do is we just can't afford to do right now And it would have to come up the town meeting and be budgeted for And if there's a way that we can help as the ESE wants to help As you know our task a big part of our task is just to increase inclusivity and so To your point chris. I think if there's one person I know it's a lot of work for y'all for one person, but if there's only three or four of us already That's a big percentage jump to have one more person or two more people engaged And I think just from our committee ourselves We've decided to stay on zoom because we have folks that have young kids who they can't leave home alone They can't it would be a distraction to bring them here And it's much easier for them And then also just sort of selfishly my mom just moved here and she doesn't drive because of her disabilities and It would just be so convenient for me if she could Be a zoom as well. I think there are probably some other people that don't drive or have mobility issues One car in the house and somebody's working. It would just be anything to make it more accessible to us is a win Um, and so if we can help with that we'd love to Um, and can I say one other thing that's unrelated to this before we pass? The thing about the training Oh, yep. I have it right here. So go right ahead. Um, it's just an invitation to y'all babes bar is hosting a training on overdose prevention and I think we know that we have some pretty serious issues with opioid use and Recently several overdoses certainly since we've owned the bar. There have been multiple folks that we've known of who have overdosed not in our bar But in the community and so we have invited vermont cares, which is a non-profit organization that works statewide around harm reduction, which is Philosophy of care that is not abstinence only base So in other words, it's a way to help people use more safely with the idea of reduction of harmful use Um, and so we are going to be learning how to administer naloxone Or in our plan, which is like the the drug name. So this is something that would interrupt a potentially deathly Opioid overdose in the moment that it's happening and we'll be providing naloxone for people to take home with them So I just wanted to invite you all it's on August 23rd at 5 p.m. We'll host it at the bar and the training will be done by vermont cares Not us. Um, we'll be learning as well. Is it open in public? um It's an invitation to y'all if folks from the public want to come just to ask us because I think the facilitators are looking for At a max of like 15 people. So I could just put in the minutes to call babes. Yeah to see if It's a little bit available zoom It could be Yes I think we could certainly make it available Joanne and just let you know you've got kind of one so you guys One one of your house, this is the very Select board and town that we have because I can look at I think you've been talking about the few people who can go online and find the agenda Tell me what's happening stuff, but if there's anything I ever want to know I know that I can call that town office to release How the all the girls down there will answer questions The only thing you don't get is the public comment part if there's something going on here And I know I call David a couple of times about something stupid probably but I know if you can just pick up phone and they'll answer any questions You don't get the public comment part of me because I don't can find the minutes now I think you find the agenda with no problem It is Yeah, that's great. Thank you. Yeah, and if it is yeah, just call. It's always nice people read something and then it's always nice when people call Joanne or anyone called today. I saw this one or what was that? And we can put it out there too. I mean it you know just because there's a public comment period if you You can't attend meeting and wanted to If you had to be certain you can always send that to threes or anybody at the town office All of us are, you know, very easy to get old loads through email or phone call And we can more happy to bring it, you know Bringing up that public comment for you So with that We will open up the public comment Yes Ellie's tough to beat so you gotta be quick. I know you have to be quick And the first one is because I know we slept for water was really big And and I've not missed a wonderful event It's going on at the recreation center on friday nights where you can get into your fucking heat Because that's what we're doing over there. Oh, you can wrap with queen on friday nights and Do your inner Go around. All right The second public service announcement is I know you guys Don't want to miss our duet on because you can run the 5k and then swim in the pool So that is going on july 31st And you want to keep in shape all you select people want to be in shape Keep young and know you want to run the 5k with us So join us for a duet on and and we're also having a silent auction and we have this wonderful bmx Bike that was donated to us. And so that's um, what time does that start on saturday? At nine o'clock on saturday Yep And you feats is what time You I uh, yeah, yeah, see I I'd have to be coming out. I don't I don't have a zoom cam One of those You need to go for a clip to your look to your visor If you want Um, you know, we're talking about My hope is that from you From those of you who receive that like if you've listened to it you've spread it amongst the rest of the select board My hope is that we can now begin to reopen that dialogue and have discussions And plan and a meeting somewhere where we can talk about this where we can talk about moving this To the community and not just keeping it within ourselves It's a really interesting podcast. I encourage anyone here to read it. It's on vpr It's their series, which is called Braves little state And it's about it's from vermont. It's very little state and it takes place here And it is such an eye opener into inclusion into Racial discrepancies into how you work within that I'll just give you a quick synopsis of who's this who's on this podcast. It's a family. The mother is white Her daughters are mulatto One is very young One is like 12 One is in her late 20s 30s having a baby and the others you hire other daughters trans So it's a real eclectic dialogue and it's a really eloquently and Very direct and very strongly Put information Nobody's blaming anybody. They're just stating facts and I would hope that people would listen to this And have questions and come together and have questions and it's for me I think it's a great way to open it open a discussion about what we've been talking about for months now I'm doing code it which is inclusion color race What you name it All kinds of bigotries all Jumping those hurdles within this town of ramon and within The state of ramon and I think I'm asking that you consider A discussion at some point of the select board on how we Talk about this and bring it to the community as a select board So I have to say I I listen to it and um the podcast and I've I've read it I've read the transcript and I sent it to um my two daughters and I at full disclosure is I graduated from Randolph in high school 600 years ago So it was so interesting to me as a white female to think about the fact that I walked by that mascot Never it didn't you know, so when I was listening to what the girl had to say It was so interesting and I and I kind of thought back to it and and um My husband graduated from there, you know about eight years before me I have to look there's a tote somewhere in this in my house with the yearbooks and I and I remember how prominent it was in some years the um the mascot the mascot, yeah, and Just You know when I I just thought it was so interesting anyway to think about it because I I hadn't I hadn't you know as a white person walked by and thought wow look at the representation there And so it was very interesting. I thought um and was glad that you shared it and I sent it to um to my daughters and because they're always interested and then I was talking to my own star Hannah and she had one of the books that you recommended about Vermont that the Gentleman row I couldn't name escapes me now. He's the professor Hannah had said But it was very interesting and um and it was a good perspective and and you were right. It was very non-judgmental It was just hey, this is my experience. And I and I did think that it was um very interesting and and and just Kind of I My uh If you hear that that's my two cents, but I told but yes, I did graduate from high school here, so It was interesting. Yeah And I think you're right. It was a good representation of what you said it was it was um not judgmental. It was just here It is. This is how I felt. Yeah, so it was good to know Well, thank you for sharing So again, I'd like you all to think about If we could have a discussion During the comments at one point about how we could bring this to the community And start having this interaction as we discussed in the past with the community Because I don't want this to just sort of dissipate and not happen I think we really owe it to ourselves and to the community and to Our children and the children are coming up and our grandparents So whatever to really keep this ball rolling on this and really talk about this and One of the things that this podcast points out is that this is an uncomfortable situation And that's okay And that's something we all have to get comfortable with that it being uncomfortable for not everybody Not maybe for everybody, but for some individuals and then maybe for everybody and I say this all the time Because I'm black don't think it's comfortable for me Please don't make the mistake of thinking it's comfortable for me because it's not as comfortable as it may sound It's something I know that I that I can take a part in doing and maybe moving the moving the needle So You know, I just hope that we can really think about a discussion how to bring this forward and keep it moving And I think you know, like we had expressed A couple months ago But you know, I think at this point, I mean Again at least the way I look at it is That our committees as a whole is you know, our committees are We design these committees with the intent that the select board doesn't The most by our point of view, right? So we give them, you know, pretty much the full power to the committees to To establish The information to figure out how that pathway of information Goes through whatever What And I think what we typically do is we sit back and Kind of manage that Mostly mostly time is financially Because mostly communities it's more about Our next project is x this is what we're looking at and we say how does that fit the budget? So a lot of times that's kind of the way and I know this one, you know Is a little more unique But I think, you know, at least what I'm looking for is for the committee to come back and say You know, this is kind of where we want to go here You know, and that might be different ideas of having Different forums or platforms to speak from or share with and how would that be? And I don't even think at that point it's even the select board saying yes or no is more Yeah, I think that's a great idea, you know, what can we do to help or you know, or what You financially or whatever to, you know, put something like that on so But it almost seems like I always what I'm getting from the committee often is Like asking permission and it's like no don't really necessarily have to ask permission because we've already Delegated responsibility And we're kind of looking where does the committee want to go like what do you want to do? I can share that journey with us so that we can Be beside you And help you one way but not necessarily look for permission Yeah, I've tried to touch on this and for but there's an element here that I think sometimes the select board doesn't see from my perspective as a citizen of this of Bethel is that The community is led by the select board not by these committees So if the select board is involved on some level then the community goes, oh This is a part of this they see these committees as these little sub things The select board is like I say this all the time. You're like a a select group of mayors You're a group that is a mayor of this town and you have a voice And when your voice is used to move things forward then These committees can jump forward and do their work If you and I don't take this negatively, but if you sit too far back It's as if it's not happening In the town And I don't know if you know that that you're looked at differently than what you There's a perception and then there is this literal thing that you are But the perception is that you lead the town as a select board So Committees need you They need you to say, hey, this is what's happening here, too This is a unique in that respect. We need you to be a part of So so let me let me come back money As a select board member And make a specific request And that is as a select board member I'm requesting that the EIC come up with a proposed community gathering of sources And they specifically come and request the select board To To get behind it. Mm-hmm to sponsor it to support it With the resolution or with funds That So we would delegate the planning And the idea generation But we would take responsibility for its Happening So if we had a specific proposal that required funding Then we would be in a position to say yes, let's do it as a town Let's not do it as a committee. Let's do it as a town And that would give us Something specific that you want Right, and I just we're just coming I guess the point of view that I come off is obviously the select person The role is seen as an authoritarian role, right? I I see it more as help help to manage You know the inner workings of Teresa and And her staff, but I think we've all seen in this town Like when I first came to town, you know, it was 16 years ago It now Um I saw a town that was managed by three individuals, right? Yeah, and there was not a lot of empowering of the individuals I mean if you just wanted a simple thing in the downtown, they would say no, you know, it was very That's the way things work that I so I think the way I see it is You know, we have some we had some really good community involvement Especially now and and keeping our Committees in power To do the work and it so that's where a lot of times where I'm like, it's almost like, you know You're getting my blessing. It's like, oh, you're like We you know, we've already given me a blessing, you know, or whatever it is if it's Ellie want to do something at you know at You know recreational wise or something like come with the plan. Let's hear it and then, you know, we'll get behind you and Because we've seen, you know, and I think we've all seen in our lives somehow you know, maybe it's Maybe it's an employer you work for that, you know, you didn't have a voice, you know into whatever And I think what we're trying to do is it is allow it not allow, but have that voice and I see everybody Especially the ones that come regularly. I mean, I see you as the leader of the community of, you know, Doug's always here You know, he's been at every meeting with everybody, you know You know, so I see him as a leader type figure because he's been here. He's soaked it up. He knows Everything's going on. I'm sure if you stopped and asked Doug, he'd recite word for word what we did. It's like work meeting, you know And I think it's the same thing trying to trying to, you know, with all the committees that we have To empower, right? I think I saw as Royanne's hand I was going to say I think this is on the stage that the conversation you want to have It's too big for a select board meeting That it might be best to do like a Saturday or Sunday afternoon right up here where it's maybe advertised On the town page, on the Facebook page, whatever place people would Read, look at and it can be said supported by the town of that boat or the select board And then show your podcast up here. And I think people would come up But to think we're going to do it at a six o'clock meeting, I think you're No, I'm not talking about that This would be a really big meeting then But I'm talking about that I'm talking about exactly what you just said Oh, well then I think that's what I'm going to say. He's empowering you to do this I mean, I just wonder though, like, your comment was really resonating Liking it to like, it's mostly for budgetary concerns. What we're asking Is emotional and intellectual feedback from you. Not, we don't want your money, right? I mean, maybe not Yeah, I'm not going to say that No, we've already written it down, no money Yeah, but really, I think what we're looking for is more of that emotional and the heart stuff Like, we need to know that we're all in on this and I think as we further our conversations And it is a different, as you said, it's a very different charge that we have And maybe that's why we're still getting, you know, figuring out our landscape a little bit But I think it's worth it because we don't want a bull rush either I think we want to be mindful and continue to be inclusive and thoughtful about how we're stepping forward Because we don't want to exclude anyone by doing something too faster, not when we should And I think, to me, that's what I heard in your ask Not, we don't want you to lead something, we want you to participate in the discovery of what our town is And how we can move in a direction where we all, I think we all share hopefully a similar hope, right? And that's why you supported this committee Right, I think that should definitely, right, exactly When Disleg Board has created the committee, they've read Jerry's great article on colorblindness They've had discussions amongst themselves, with a partner, with family members, with community members, with employees So, I mean, Bethel is supporting you emotionally and everything else But they're also a select board and as you can see, there's a list of other things they need to do So it's just like the planning commission and the recreation At some point we need you to pick up the ball and run with it And say, you're going to go do this and invite the select board and they will support you And they will advertise it and they will hopefully attend and, you know, and all those things But it's, and I think that they have, at least in my opinion, and you can have a different opinion Because that's fine, is I think that the select board has, you know, they're off the starting block And they're certainly trying to support you and do and have done at this point Everything that you have asked or suggested and these conversations still go on Maybe not here at this table, but like when you shared that, you know, your podcast So that was a great opportunity for me to say, you know, to talk to people about their take And how they saw it and sometimes, like you said, I think it was you Lenny or maybe it was Owen That these conversations start small and then, and they expand And I think part of that is saying, okay, I'm uncomfortable, maybe I'm uncomfortable with the topic But you start small and as you go and as you gain confidence in what you're saying You know, you're able to, you know, I'm going to spread it to my, you know People and then you spread it to your people and you know what I mean? And we're kind of come together in the end, but So I think that that's just my opinion But I mean, I do think that the select board is supporting you emotionally and and trying to You know, get behind stuff and I think my whole point is it's really just Yeah, yeah, no, no, I know Really compelling to be Exactly I've heard this comparison to budget Right That's not really where we're going Yeah, no, I just, I think just like what Therese was just saying often it's, you know, the select board, you know, has already voiced our indecision by By establishing a committee and and and adopting the members that we have and, you know, so I mean You know, I kind of so I Often it's kind of like, you know, don't you don't need to ask permission like, you know, go do it, you know You know, go do the workforce and I have, you know, oftentimes I have project manager that work that will come to me and be looking at something like Waiting for me to okay. This is how you do it It's like you know how to do this like go do it like and if you fall down a little bit I'm going to be there to pick you know, so that and I think that's kind of the same thing as You know, let us know what you're brainstorming. What is, you know Hey, this is what we're thinking. What do you think, you know, and bounce those ideas off us? But I don't want to personally and I'm not going to speak for Therese But I don't want to be the one, you know, saying I think you should do this, you know, because no I think I want to see the committee say this is what we think we should want to do, you know This is the way we want to go. What do you guys think and then we say, yeah, I think that's pretty cool Or what do you need to pull this off? You know, or what do you need from us? Oh, we need to town hall We need and we need you to participate and attend the event. Yeah, or we can get a board member or you know, you know, yeah Yeah, I mean anytime just let's know what I mean I mean, we are we are only five people. So we do get stretched And you can't get disappointed right off the bat. There's only five people show up There's somebody that's out on the many whores Now I'm getting disappointed when you only have five people show up The next month here we're gonna have two And when in doubt offer food And just remember Lenny and Owen when in doubt offer food that's right always helps food is the biggest it inspires conversation It drops guys Someone said pizza. Yeah We used to do the potlucks, you know Yeah That's right Any any other public comment inquiry Thank you. Thank you. We'll be all normal Three four of you that should look at you. That's right. You're regulars Um, Owen has his regulars babes. We have our regulars. We are moving on to Uh, we put the discussion on there At some point. Um, I think all of us that attended the bca there. We came up a little bit on appraisal values and when when the town-wide appraisal You know, when should we be looking we've talked about it for I don't know probably two years now because we started the We started the fund to start putting some money aside on the town end of things Um, so I think the you know a couple of things that came out of Everybody was at the bca meeting. So a couple of things that came out of that was Well, at least on my end of things there's two things that came out one that you know, the town is due for one and two that There's a lot of misconception of what that means So, you know a town-wide assessment typically is every, I don't know, 10 to 15 year event that towns have depending on what's going on in the economy to reassess the baseline of Of your grandkids, right? Yeah, absolutely. Um, and and you use that over the next dozen years to you know to assess Home values Yeah, it's been too long and and and I will say, you know kudos to the listeners They have done a nice job of trying to keep, you know caught up on those But it's hard if you haven't been inside somebody's house in 10 plus years You don't know if they've built a new kitchen or what they've done So I spoke to the listeners, uh, these two of them with Mo and Judy And they are going to start looking at rfps from towns that have recently done a re-appraisal And my Set you know goal for them and we chat about it was it would be nice to get this rfp out in like this year January February We know we are probably three to four years out from a re-appraisal because there's very few firms that do this And it would most likely you get a two-year rolling re-appraisal back, you know years ago They used to do a re-appraisal in one year And then they started going to this yeah now they go into this kind of rolling re-appraisal So I charge them. I said I don't have time to write the rfp. You are the listeners Your elected official. This is your job. So I told them I would help them with insurance I would make a call Back to another town to see uh, unless I was involved in a re-appraisal when I left to ask them What do you wish we put in the contract? What do you wish had been a little bit different to get some information? And ask them to reach out to their local pb and rfp Teresa Guile and see So who's going through one now? So that's the that's the charge for the listeners is to try to get it out and get it out to bid And then if we can get it in three years great, we can get it in two years great But we'll see also helps us financially. We have an idea what we're shooting for We've kind of had this $300,000 kind of Monkey hanging out there and we've been saving towards it and this is going to help at least now we can You know get a date. Yeah, we say okay. It's three years down the road four years Whatever and we can budget off of that and say okay. This is how much more money we need to raise And then you know budget time we can either pick apart that in quarters or thirds or however we want to do it to Or you know or bond voted or whatever to to do that I mean, I think one thing that we have been pretty fortunate over the last You know 14 years. I think she was saying is you know, there are certain parameters of Of the common level of appraisal that You know, if you go above a certain amount or below a certain amount it kind of triggers like you get to do one now Yeah, come in and tell you yeah, we've been very fortunate that Baffle has stayed like pretty close to the middle So that's that's actually a really good thing And I think the one thing that you know came out of and I was talking to Reese about is You know, there's a little bit of a misconception of what that reappraisal Means, right? So when you say reappraisal of you know, like at the meeting that we were at the other night The first thing everybody thinks about oh, I'm gonna be paying more taxes, right? And it doesn't necessarily mean that anybody's gonna pay anything more or less It just means that we're resetting the baseline. So I mean make it up. I mean if everybody's appraisal went up $20,000 on their house It doesn't mean everybody's gonna pay You know pennies on that dollar. It just means now the grand less list has gone up to a period Now Who knows it may be a penny savings everybody You just don't know or maybe the town has to be ready to yeah Your tax rate might come down to pennies, but you're paying the same thing But you also see the other thing where properties that were Excuse me being appraised that don't exist anymore. I'm sure that have degraded You know that side of the coin. Yep. Absolutely. You see a lot of it where it kind of levels out people who are maybe their house has Has hasn't been depreciated in a while and somebody who's you know, you kind of sometimes The point is it doesn't change the amount that needs to be budgeted Right That total is going to be what it's going to be and it's going to be disfied in a moment All right, I was encouraged Frankly, they hear that it could be two or three years Because if we're in a bubble, yes, a housing bubble right now, this is not the time Right Yeah, no, you're right that I can't we don't let the housing market Yeah, you're right In that right and exactly because they always do a sales study. And so I think and that all done a year like this always throws off Or because it's so Yeah, and you when you establish a new baseline at a bubble and at the bubble breaks in your common level of phrasal goes The opposite direction then it will trigger an auto Joanne Be careful on the way out there because there's cones right there and there's a piece of curbing right there It's dug up from construction. So we've got all the obstacles there. Let the dog go first Oh, there you go, that's right. Well, just be careful on the way out You know, this was probably I don't know maybe eight ten years ago But um, it was in a very kind of very city That happened they had just had a reappraisal And it was like within a half dozen years in it The common level of phrasal switched so drastically that they had to go and Again the cost town or city, you know Sure hundreds of thousands of dollars move it all over again because they had you know, but I think right now at least if we can just get a Let's get the idea right exactly that's exactly the and we can't work, you know, if we can reach out and if they say You know, I know it's 400 grand And it's going to be four years out and we know we have to raise I don't know make it up 200 000 dollars over the next Four years and we can figure out as a board how do we want to Do we want to quarter this thing? How do we want to do this thing? Because I wouldn't say we've necessarily been kicking the can down the road, but you know We as a town happen, so we need to get before the bubble we've been fine. Yeah You know starting in a year and a half ago Shit at the pain. Yeah up to that point There's nobody coming in hardly ever for Complaints about their taxes or whatever but now all of a sudden Oh, yeah, well the home bellies are taking off Yeah, but you know, I don't know whatever they give us for a slot three or four years down the road Maybe things start to level down. I was encouraged by that. I would like to see some time It's current bubble It's always good the RFP out that's the bottom and we'll see what we got from there Yeah, I mean, I think you're going to see you know A large majority of the individuals in town Won't really see anything, you know, you have the outliers right on each side that either Has it been upgrades to their home that maybe it's slightly overvalued Or you have individuals that have just built something, you know Like you saw the other night, but a majority of people are in the middle, you know That you know won't won't affect anything But it'd be good to get that down so we'll get some sort of The listers are going to get back to you with uh Yeah, I asked I asked Well, I asked me to draft RFP And that way we could put then once it's we should be able to put the full RFP out in january or february of this of 2022 and then You know see what we get It would be it would be nice to get it in before this budget season We won't what did we do last year Two years ago. We started two years ago. We started with like $5,000 and they won't no there was more than that because The state has always given you yes the person our fund. Yes, you did. Yep. And then last year we went up to what 20 That's not right It sounds sounds like uh, we we decided we need to start I couldn't I don't We had decided where the Well, we hadn't tried yet of where we wanted the tax rate to be and we were trying to get to that Yeah, but obviously it's gonna be more 20 times Yeah But we'll see and we have to see to how much is in that fund guy don't have a town report with me So because you have to start doing some coin drops Disselectable, it'll be doing coin drops. That's right. You'll be accessible for your re-emphasis Is anything further on that or are we good for now till we get some more? I just want to talk about info on it Uh Ditching and culvert replacement bids So wb rogers was a little bitter and um So i'm hoping to make some changes within here So their bid was just under 50 000 basically, but what i'm hoping to do is There is an You know 8800 and traffic control and that's a lot of money and we're going to see that moving down the road It's just going to be expensive. So I but I talked to um I'll rick right mevin rick right going the right farm about you know working around the green and the Milk truck and things like that because if I can if we could shut the road to local traffic, this would help Um reduce this cost and I might try to spend it in a couple other places in on the road Either in east Bethel or here. So but he was obviously a little bitter Uh, if you don't know wb rogers jeff gillman. He lives on gillie it as well. So um, so I guess obviously gave us a good bid I knew we would Could you just take us through the spreadsheet just a little bit? Well, that's slightly lost on it so I'm assuming That the 48 689 38 is the total bid. Yeah for wb rogers I was estimating on the hydro seating. So yes, that's a 71 10 Is the portion that's going to be paid by the paving bid because we are Part of this bid is ditching and replacing culverts in east Bethel and we received a paving bid And so I had budgeted in the paving bid For some culvert replacement. So that's 7100 has been budgeted under a different item. Oh, well, no, it's money We're getting from the state for a paving grant and then the 20 000 is the ditching that we budgeted in the general fund budget So this 21 000 i'm looking at is going to have to come out of the capital road budget I've got you So it's still my goal, which is going to take us a little bit but to We've already we're working on that capital road budget and we have it in the record and we add to it You know each year we kind of try to expand on it And how how is the traffic control because up above it says 800 So it's 800 per day times 15 days. Sorry. So what kind of traffic control work? And I've always say this because I work with wb rogers on three of the four contracts Three of the four for fema and traffic control was nothing. I know and this was I don't know the $800 for nothing. Well, we're not and that's what I'm saying the 800 per day I already told I guess there's there that's what the 800 per day is as flaggers And so but what his request was he key he said to me Is it possible to close the road? Especially when we're doing Close to local traffic or all exactly because he said if we do Close the road, especially when we're doing the culverts. It's a 30 foot He can get a straight piece across and he can just do it, you know one and done instead of a piece in the You know So he that's what he was thinking about and then we had a conversation about closing the road just to local traffic and and Because what I'm trying to do is I don't want to spend all $8,800. I would like to try to spend that Within the bid doing a little more work So I told him that A it would have depended if he got the bid and then that we'd have a conversation about it He and I would have a conversation about it. So yes to local traffic only is what he's thinking But yes, he has to and the other thing too is the bid is very clear about the fact that he has to adhere to MUTCD standards and it's his liability So, um, but we'll have a conversation um going to walk the project with him and when we do that we'll talk about it I mean, I know when I did the project with him the projects with him for FEMA and we you know Doug, you know, we put culvert pipes in whole Worked pretty well, but again most of the roads we were on it wasn't as much Traffic except for liliesville, right but liliesville. There's many different ways to skip liliesville, right? Where I'm just thinking like if you had a couple of on gillian, you know But you know, I mean like without like inconvenience people Alongways well, I asked him and you know We figured that the furthest person away would add about 15 minutes to their commute to go up over macintosh Because that's exactly you said detour them off So that they're going over Well, I'm just I mean that's kind of the way I'm looking at it is you know If you had a certain day or two Between these hours and these days we're gonna be changing the cobertson gillian You know and if we agree upon an hour that you know, yeah You know, maybe enough time that people can leave for work and maybe you know And he's you know, and he was open to dealing with you know the milk truck and I talked to mr Right today. He was fine with it. He was like, yeah, he's I know Jeff will deal with it And but my thing is I'd rather spend this $8,800 doing some other roadwork there or comes off of the 21 that we find right money for right and so what he's And the other part of this too is obviously is part of this is 15 days. It's also east Bethel. So east Bethel he You know, obviously there has to be you know traffic control and flagging over there. So yes, I Don't necessarily want to take all the 20,000 Where is that? Maybe me stuff that won't happen. Where or when when where? Where so as soon as you come up 14 on factory hill road You come down factory hill road and you go around the corner a little bit and head up towards random center road We're doing that point. I want to say Seven miles, but hold me to that right about a mile what we're doing. We got a paving grant for that because East the factory hill road and christian hill road are the only class two roads You have a town that you get paving grants for so when I was walking gillia today Ryan slack had said, you know trees if we're gonna do this ditching and do this work What would it take to bring this up to a class two road so that we would qualify for paving grants in the future? And I'm like, I don't know. I mean, you know, you wouldn't know what it is You have to look at a 76 standards, but it's so I don't know. I mean it's worth looking at The amount of money that takes versus what you get out of it. Um, yeah, you ever made a hole Yeah, I don't know but because right now I can't see how on any of these culvert replacement projects where we can't just There might be a couple where you say we're gonna have to give some notice to the public Yeah, of course But I mean to save 80 hundred dollars on you know, it's one thing if it's on a main drag or something like that, but I can't see why we would really need No, and some of the I mean it worked out pretty good when we did the other ones before and some of the 8800 You know, it's not going to reduce the 21 because there's some other work there that would be nice Well, we're there to take care of but You know anyways, but it's an 8800. I want to spend a flag. I'd rather spend either in work or take off Yeah, I would agree. I mean if it's if it makes sense Yeah, I agree. I mean, yeah, there might be a spot like paving is different. Oh, because you can't just right, you know When you're cold, you're only, you know A hundred foot section of road where paving you're half a mile Yeah, oh exactly exactly so But we have met now with I sent letters into all of the affected residents of Gilead and I have now met with Either I have or Ryan I have met with several people already. So now we have currently met with everyone who has called for us Where's the color work going to be? So there's going to be four on Gilead and three in East Bethel So all and Gilead Gilead's all happening in paving. Yeah, except for one Is going to be outside. There's actually we didn't believe there was a culvert under Skyview Lane and I mentioned that in jeff and he said there is a culvert there I said are you sure he said I am because I installed it and I said, well, then you better pick for it Because we don't know where it is. You might have to put an extension. So I think we're going to get three culverts You know unless we find something that's we missed that's Blast and then there's three in East Bethel that are going to be done And I want and he is going to have to start in East Bethel to do that work first so that we can get into paving So the method to the madness It's possible that you can close store Close factory road Well, what store it all in East Bethel if you're closing that section of just factory hill Where are they going to go over oxpaw they can go over the oxpaw or if you've got Just doing factory hill the rest of East Bethel road or the Randolph setup or whatever that is You can go up past You can get to pass Lincoln fires Yeah, just that you can go past Lincoln farm bear left and then you can come back And what's the work moved by the dump Water water, man. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, that's doable And if while they're doing The Fat dough The other section. Yeah You can open Factory hill. Yeah people can get in. Yeah, it's good. Yeah, we're doing the culverts definitely paving They're gonna probably come in and just go for it. So so you're looking for a motion to award just award the bid And because I still am going to play with some numbers to try to award the ditching culvert bid to wb rogers In an amount of 48,689 38 not to exceed. Oh, I was going to say 50, but um, just because I need to I know you you're trying to spend money. I am trying to get some work other work done with the attention that the Be able to limit the traffic control Yeah, yeah, exactly So moved All in favor Okay We didn't get there are two numbers. What number is going in the minute? 50 48 All right, not to exceed 40. You did say 50 I said no you said I thought then you repeated it. So what are we putting in there the funny What did you mean the motion on 48,689,689,38, okay 28, not 37. No, 38 And even though this is saying a portion spent in our budget 21,000, but we had We we had things budgeted in there for culvert. Right. We did 20 grand, but no but no, no, no Culvert money Alan is using. I know Alan already is using that money to buy culvert And to do it on his own. He's also replaced culverts. Oh, he is. Okay. Yes. Yes. Okay, so that's why I've come up with that I was just saying, you know, you can make up some money there. I know that's what I think we normally put like $4,000 there. We do but it's And we're also I'm also hoping because there is another um line item in there for um, because I still have to do Well, we still have to do Okay, the people off from camp out Just a side, the kid the kid gradient has learned how to cut a row He's all good. Holy shit Is it good? Well, we'll see how it stands up, but there are no more bottles That's funny and we had a delivery And then we had the paving bid for factory hill and portion of random center road that we were just talking about Yeah The parent low bidder was springfield paving. Do they go by springfield paving? Yeah, well, it says if you look at it, it says son of the paving dba springfield So reading well reading into the record that they're Their price was 74,758 dollars and 25 cents Yep, and they had a little more in traffic control But I think that pike was going to come in and do it. I think that I think pike was going to do it in a day and I think they So where does that 74? We have a paving we we received a bid or excuse me. I'm sorry a paving grant for and I get 80 and the remainder will come out of the capital road fund But we did get a paving grant for That's our one road over there. So we'll have that paved And that east beffle bridge I figured it bought us five years for like five years That's that's it. No, seriously We will ditch we have patched the bridge. We honest god, I'm seriously it bought us like five years That's why we chose the whole section hasn't been maintained in a long time. Oh my god. We should yeah I mean, I was ditching don't forget to get the box bulk fix now, huh The gravel portion there's the material is so far gone that I went up over there. There's majority There was there isn't anymore There's a big piece of ledge sticking up out of the road. How is that not class 4? I don't know. Never has that. We used to plow that with town trucks. I thought it was a class 4 when I originally I know I know you did it. That's I just wow. I don't know how that Mo is mo knows the story of how that changes the classifications. He was talking about one day I always thought it was a class 4 Not not in the 66 years I've been around Not crazy. Yeah, Mo was telling me well, he remembers back before it was Even row over I guess What it was before it was uh, I don't know if he does for sure, but maybe because that load was used by There's a Large portion of the quarry workers living in East Bethlehem. Yeah, so that was a main thoroughfare to the granite quarry You mentioned it What's that you can hardly correct. Yeah, I might know what I did that one time. I thought it was class 4 Yeah, I hear like where we don't you don't know what a goat path is come up to my house. I'll show you Yeah So I just need someone to make a motion to Accept the paving bid for springfield paving in the amount of 74,758 and 25 cents Second Yeah, I'm favor I didn't withstand just because I don't normally vote. Yeah, that's right. Exactly Um It doesn't really matter and then our august 23rd meeting will be the Select board's portion of the zoning bylaw Yeah, I just I know I didn't really belong in there. I just kind of wanted to get out there as people Will read in the agendas in advance to kind of Trees what do you got on here? I won't be here on the next meeting. It won't be here. No I won't either So what is that the 9th meeting 9th august 9 so august 9 The next select board. I won't be here next week either Yeah, so august 9th is nobody. Yeah all right, um So People there was boil water notice put out today. Um for you know, it's a construction project. So this is was not Scheduled what we thought this piece wasn't going to happen today But it did so that's why there was no notice put out in advance. Obviously it's construction project things happen And that's what happened today. So boil water notices have been issued But because of the work we've done so far, you know, usually this would have affected the entire water system But luckily this is just from a little bit north main up. So it is falcon North falcon drive highland av So it's north main up to uh, actually tracies. Yeah, but and st. Hyacinth, but because we have the valves in it's a good thing So once this is done, uh, they finished it the water came back on today. Um Before five so the water was back on so there'll be a boil water notice and uh samples are already being taken and Incent so that's you know part of it. The good thing is when we change over now um They'll have access, you know from the other system. So we shouldn't have to no one should be without water again Except for that the butthole mills will be one day And obviously we're trying to Plan it to give everybody a heads up. So So just so people know He has a water challenge. No just to get through traffic everything. Yeah, it is Everyone to the upper entrance. Yeah, but they're keeping one way traffic through so you know, but hopefully Wrapping it up. So in that same vein, um You could see that I approved a we had a change order from tatro for 18 725 or changing the geico Tank access. We're not sure something we missed in bidding a never wanted would I wanted the galvanized with hot to finish to make sure that it just lasted so that we weren't Um, so that's that's in there too So that was the only thing about the bid as far as the other thing was so we talked about the planning commission We just had a couple of changes, which was nice um, no big things but The dave had wanted to talk a little bit about janice punger She's called all the select board members regarding her suggestion. Um that you create a position And basically for her to become a local advocate My takeaway from this is that you know, everybody's in support of something like this But as I explained to janice, we don't have the money in this budget to do that This is something that would if you choose to would have to go in front of the voters And then maybe would be available next july and then it would be whether or not it's her or someone else It's also very difficult to quantify and and I have said to her clearly And I'm saying now if we had the opportunity to fund a position I'm not sure that would be our first choice of the town either just because um, there's other We have to look at what other need there was she asked me about grants She sent me a list that she was provided from the vermont community foundation You know, I eyeballed it a little bit to see if but if nothing really jumped out at me as funding um, I am going to send an email to um Oh, I forgot her first name kelly, maybe kelly pour at aarp to see if there's money out there But janice was very clear that if we found a grant she was not going to write it um that she She would be you know beneficiary, but she's not going to write it And I just told her we'd have to look out in the community for someone to write the grant because We just we don't we can't do it right now. Everybody. It's really this is a busy time of year for the staff. So um, so dave you What was it you wanted to add to your Or 20 cents About jans. Yep. I've got 20 cents on the cover Okay My whole thing is that she's not number one She's not the person to do that job. I I truly believe that the person who does that job needs to be someone with some Power some hole she she has nothing. I mean she's not going to get a state agency to move She can haul her all she wants Unfortunately, she's well known within 100 miles of here So My point is needs What she's looking to get done is something that needs to be done But there's plenty of agencies in the state that just needs their ass kicked And get off it and do their job And I think that goes maybe I mean I would like to put it in legislators hands to say do that but every time I do that We're just up there to do this. We don't enforce anything. Oh, shit You're supposed to be our leader. You're supposed to be I'm done because I'm just going to it's going to get worse. Yeah, I just when I talked to her was mainly that You know, I think it's a great idea You know to be able to have a tool to connect our citizens with Information or in some cases, you know Physically connect them to the I think it's it's great You know, I where I just Having a hard time with With the conversation was You know getting the sense of you know Let's say the board decided to do this You know, would this be an appointee position that we would appoint somebody like a health officer once a year pay them a stipend you know Would be the contact person Um, or would this be a town office? You know, do you hire a part-time person? But trying to quantify because you don't know like, you know, are you helping One family at a time you're helping six families at a time, you know, or how much time goes into this and then I had to explain to her that You know, once the select board did make a decision on Appointment or if we wanted to have more of trees decided we were going to have the position under her Then there would be the formal process so that natural would be You know allowing all that wants to You know, either be appointed to put their application or Or apply on on that which doesn't necessarily mean that That individual would get to be the person so not to mention pay rates and all that stuff. So I definitely think it's A discussion to have and I think it's you know, I think well Once I got thinking about this, I was kind of really thinking about we had talked about a little bit the last Year or so on maybe we really need to take a look at all these appointee positions again because just like when we started digging through like Zoning application costs, you know, and you say okay. Well, you know, we're going to charge you 25 dollars But it's going to cost us 500 dollars, you know, and then trying to figure out why are we doing this the same thing with these appointments as we you know I know from being a deputy health director for a short very short period of time that For the amount of time that you're in that position to get a whatever $1,500 stipend a year is not worth it Like I don't know anybody in the right mind would raise their hands back So I think some of these stipends might be a little Gated that we need to examine and I think we have to examine some of them to say I know there's something you have to have but you know, you have to have it Is it working or in this case Do do we need are there some that we're missing that we need to have for our community and And look at those because the pay rate scales are I don't know the elements, but there's like one cemetery commissioners Yeah, I mean it's like the amount of work that goes into doing 90 years is Way more working. It's definitely someone's doing as a labor of love. And I know nobody's here. They're not I know nobody's saying Well, I'm going to be the commissioner of this cemetery because they want to make a lot of money, right? You know, but we also have to make a kind of work. They're wild. Yeah to cover True. I'll have Kelly look at my conversation. They're basically almost saying thanks a good idea you know and she's strong-willed enough to You know to push push push push and But whether or not it should be a town appointed position or a town have a position I I don't know if that's the path you want to go down And I hadn't wondered because a lot of times The common assistance that individuals need you know Comes from Identities that are not just in Bethel community by the rim the regional Community so, you know, like I talked about maybe it's not even necessarily a Bethel appointed position or Bethel Maybe it's more of a regional thing where you know From relative to Randolph, you know, there's a person maybe that we share or you know, I'm surprised there's not like a You know someone like a two rivers type thing doesn't have a person that does that or Doesn't have some of the links that community action You know where it's a regional establishment if you have a particular issue like this you can call them up but they deal with elderly issues they deal with Finding help for people with drug issues. It's kind of an all-encompassing Organization, but I think it's just like in Dave Dave had mentioned something Not earlier today, but you know he But a lot of times what happens is people when they need assistance. They don't know even know where to go like, you know They gotta call somebody to figure out who they gotta call And I think I think her major point was Having a knowledgeable person that everybody knows in town that is the go-to person And and in some cases people Know the right person to call but still Lack the ambition to do it, you know, I guess For the ability I think the other sort of thing is more than giving just a referral actually helping you get Yeah, fill out the form and actually get the service Which is go to the meeting, but I was thinking about what Jean had said last time was interesting was We were saying was it Ohio where you came from? They had like this one agency and you could kind of go there and they kind of And and it's too bad because you know what jan has said is you know I believe to be true is that there's no one at the state level overseeing all these agencies So which is too bad And you feel like there would be one, you know, at least a starter or at least a clearing house for like that Where you could say I'm gonna go and maybe this is the county Why this agency and then all these other Kind of work under this one umbrella So I didn't tell her I thought I thought it was a conversation from the state But I think there's a time frame to it. It's not something that we So we're gonna go next week. I mean this becomes like budget time is coming up Is that something you want to do? If it is a part time job, right In any way shape or form I mean, I know I was in a career where I worked an hour a week. Yeah, all right That If you have somebody who's going to be the shepherd through all of this You one thing it's going to be a full-time job for six months. It's just the way it is So I'll look at this or we can look at this again around budget time. Yeah I'll put a note in the budget so that it makes us look at it Definitely a great idea. Just you know, how do you make that work? Small town a small budget, you know, yeah All right, I will do that or is there a way that we can Share that with others. Yeah, and I think Our if there is a existing Agency that might be a little empowering, you know Um, so yeah, so I think it's going to be more than that's going to take more than, you know, a couple days to sort it out so the other thing was So I have been in contact with state of my operations and safety bureau and I do have a meeting with John Kaplan Thursday at one We're going to look at the downtown and look at Signage and I'm hoping to get a plan from John to maybe say, okay. Look, here's what we here's the base of what we need And then, you know, maybe here's a step up of what we can do after that So we kind of have a plan because signage is not cheap So I think it'd be nice to kind of say this is what you should have and I had sent him the sign that Mr Geico had offered to buy to him and he actually said no, I don't think that's what you're You know an appropriate signage for you guys and so I'm going to meet with John Thursday at one and And ask him if the state work on it to do that. So and I told mr. Geico that I talked to him today Oh, yeah, I told him today I told him today that that was not something I'm recommending But that we were moving forward the plan and he was excited about that He was afraid the select board was thought was mad at him and I said no They're just concerned was I said I explained that well, you didn't bring your concern to the select board You have brought your concern to past town managers and it just hasn't got anywhere So I said we're working on it now and talking about it. So he was good um So it's good news stated remorse finally finally processed our 75 female share So we're getting more money there P vine is going to be delayed another year if it was kind of due to covid and some engineering delays But um, and unfortunately the state will sit on their 12.5 percent. They owe us until every Piece of grass has grown I guess so um, but at least we're getting the bigger chunk, which is a 75 percent They've been sitting on for that for our meeting on the ninth Yeah Would it be possible for you to share a spreadsheet with us? Oh, yeah, I got it all updated. Sure. Absolutely. That's owed to us so that we can Yeah, absolutely. I did it just for the auditors. So what we took out on the loan versus what's left And it's nothing left on the loan paid it out So or what's what's owed to the town and yeah, but yeah, I actually have it all done because the auditors That'd be easy easy easy print that right out. Um So, okay, the line of credit for the transfer station has turned into a night man All right, we won the next one I have laid that out for you. So where it stands right now is I have sent the documents that were seriously redlined I'm talking seriously redlined by the odd nerd. Oh, no, by a lawyer. Sorry to John Dunn and John's comment was well, I'm not sure we're going to make all the changes I said, well you run through your people what changes you going to make and then I'm going to send it back to the lawyer to see what you said John Duddy at bar harbor At the bank and then I said you do what you're willing to do And then I will take your what you're willing to do and send it back to the lawyer If we're not going to settle on this we'll have to go to mascoma because bob Fletcher's already been through this with Mascoma, but what John But the lawyer was obviously very clear and I put that in here for you saying that you guys don't have the authority to do this so Apparently once upon a time the two select boards did when they bought a piece of equipment in Kansas state bank What what what is an excavator down there loader? I don't know kind of equipment that transfer station has Subway they just paid it off a few years ago. So Keith saw they said you guys signed a loan which apparently Well, luckily it got paid off. So we didn't have to get in there. So it didn't have to go in there But so anyways, so I've sent this information to the royal tin It's like we're david seeing it because jerry was on vacation just said this is where we are So we're not signing anything tonight. We're not signing anything tomorrow night. So Or they're not signing it tomorrow night. So what's happening is They're going to have a due to beffle. There's no doubt about it I told jerry that already and we had only put 10 grand into their new account at bar harbor So, um, what'll have to happen is, you know, pan will have to You know, we obviously with authorization from the transportation move money back in to pay the due to and once we finally get it Squared away that first draw that they're going to take will take is going to pay off beffle But unfortunately now because of this information it will be two loans So each town is going to have to do a hundred thousand dollar line of credit So if we draw we're going to be we split every draw is going to be split between the two towns that way we evenly Oh, because the interlocal Didn't do it the statutes and what the lawyer's saying is you don't even have the right to do this trees This is what you have to do So that's what we're pursuing john duddy god bless him wasn't I just said he goes so now you're looking for two loans I'm like apparently yes um one of it, you know somewhat i victoria had suggested that Royalton carry the loan And beffle enter into like a memorandum of understanding, but that's not going to the lawyer's like The auditor's going to be like super no So, uh, so anyways, this this uh bag of cats just getting crazier The towns have to because the transfer station itself Um Yeah Yeah, apparently, um, yeah, we have no authority to do a joint loan Which is the way we started was we both were going to sign off on it and then once I sent it to to the attorney because I always send these employers to look at and Bob emailed me back fletcher attorney fletcher and he was like So what makes you think you got Michael here's the interlocal and then he's look at he's like trees. He's like No way. He's like you guys can't like oh boy and um So, you know, it is what it is now and but I don't know how now I have I have no one will be signing Hopefully in two weeks, but we'll see Um, so we'll see how that goes. Um More bad news because That's what we're going to do today is the employers here Yeah Um, the state well here it is the state of ramat the visors We just received notification that they're going from 13.84 to 19.5 almost swallowed my tongue I'm still going to reach out to the state and be like are you kidding because the majority of the people in this month are state employees so that's going to be a big hit for them and um And so anyways, so You know, it's a lot of money. I mean, I did I should get this one's out gene. I think oh no, it's not. Oh god bless you I should get other we should get other communities together and just protest and see we're not making yeah It's just so easy for the state of ramat to just say You know what? Yeah You guys take care of it. Thank you. You know, yeah, we can't figure out what we're doing and we're mismanaging all your funds So we're just going to push the lower level and say you all need to pay more We pay more we're going to mismanage those funds again. Yeah, you know, I mean, it's like I don't know how I mean I'm not sure You know, I'm I'm looking at how we're going to come up with the money and I have a couple ideas about Obviously, it's it's cut. So I'm going to have to especially when you're in the middle of your budget Yeah, not even The last time they did this was Was I mean it's ridiculous without a three or four years ago They did it in october and Just like oh, so and I budgeted Excuse me up in the budget that you adopted was 15 percent Was it in my wild? Kirk He is hiding somewhere I'm just I'll wait until the meeting on the ninth trees. He is not. Yeah, I'll just give him something to do in the summertime Yeah, so I'll just I'll see what I can do. I'm going to reach out. All money bills starting house It's just it's just all money bills starting the house. Yeah, he's the guy It's just ridiculous what they try to push on it. It's I just don't know how anybody's going to come up with this money I can't believe but there's not some mass and there may be there may be some a bunch of people screaming And I just don't know but I can understand it. So Yeah, you're all done trees for the that's it. Well that you're more good news Man, I know I'm sorry That's it. I think that covers the whole Ugly mess. Well, no, remember we got 423,000 from FEMA. So that was good news Getting our money back We're getting money and some of that will be Last I checked we don't have a money printing press. No, we don't I know it's awesome But I will reach out to Kirk about retirement. I'm also going to email VLCT And Jen at the stadium. I mean, it's one thing to do it to the towns at a Responsible timing of budget. Yeah, thanks. It's another thing to drop it on as soon as their budget's just done. Yeah, like You have no opportunity to To do anything about it. I mean where are you going to get the money? I mean if you're talking a few percent You know a few thousand dollars. I can scrape together about 30 Where? Yes, I'm budget so tighter than that One and a half cents on the tax rate. Yeah, you can get all of a sudden figure out where that's coming from So that's very frustrating. But so anyways, I don't pay Well, I don't know what happens honestly. Maybe you're not gonna find out. Just send them a check and say they can't cash it to the state Well, I am going to ask Jen grace at the retirement office what she's hearing VLCT and see just ask them how they think we're gonna do this, but I gotta think that they're You know to reach out to a league or something. There's gotta be a lot But unfortunately the fact that we're Dylan's rule is, you know, there's some besides the role Trouble is This can down the road for about eight years now. Absolutely. All of a sudden. Holy shit. We gotta do something Yeah, yeah, and then they just push it to the local And then you get the you get Beth Pierce saying I got a plan. Whoa That's gonna put too many taxes out there that we talk about So now no, let's look out of Bethel in the town of Royalton town of Randolph raised their cap And unfortunately too, I don't especially when you have no say in the game. Yeah, like Like we don't have the option to say, okay. Well, I'm just saying like my company back 12 years ago, they froze pensions and they said, okay, we're you know, we're freezing your pension You will have access to your pension at your age still But we're removing things to 401k and you know other You know privatized things and and now, you know, the states that are just saying listen, we're way over ahead We continue to have polls here. Why don't we just freeze the pensions? Right promise the money that people have everybody from this date on is going enrolled into a 401k I mean, that's what the world's come to like, but they don't they just continue to say they don't have money You know, and it's just we just throw it back. It's like on a boat You know, I don't back money every year. I don't know why Bethel didn't join beamers because beamers is funded right now Vermont municipal employee retirement. I don't know why Bethel stayed with the state Bethel Do you have options Bethel random? I don't know what we can I'm gonna ask her because that might be an option I think I asked her once and she told me no because we'd argued off the day No, they wanted money exactly No, no You're paying it You still have to pay her that but beamers is funded so but I know Randolph and We're there's four towns and Bethel and Randolph are two of them. So they're eating that too. So But yeah, I don't know and I asked her Yeah, that's I mean, we know that it's just gonna get worse. I mean, it's not like this is gonna be the end No, oh because we don't know what's coming Yeah, because they wouldn't she had a plan there was some decisions to be made and then now there's a committee So but it's a little bit of ripoff considering we did we weren't the ones who said hey just make Whoever manages visas a completely political appointment and don't let them have any financial management experience to manage our money So Yeah, so it's frustrating but We'll see what we can do. I'll make some noise and see what we see but Single out to the governor All right, select me select board meeting minutes from the 12th of july I have any issues with those and we're good to Well, I have one one correction Oh, good. Why just tell me if I get first because I gotta write it down All right, what where is it on the second page? Yeah, I figured here. I thought that figure was not 600,000 In the paragraph No, I'm looking at it Recreation six million I heard six hundred thousand And I looked it up after the meeting because I told you what I thought it was and there was six hundred thousand dollars awarded To several communities for funding. I haven't heard the state had had six million Yeah, I thought I heard six million. They were using for you know, recreational trails and things like that Okay, well, it's not I will check. No because I was I thought you were talking about the 600,000 that they'd advertised That they specifically Gave to certain People had read for so they kind of did this announcement where they gave out the money. So you're saying six Oh, okay. So this was six. This was six million of money that has been allotted, but not Right. They didn't have a plan yet Exactly so they still don't have a plan. We we want that money to do the pool. All right I thought you were all right. Well, we'll talk about two different things then so I can So, um, so this should be six million. Okay. All right. Thank you So I will fix that What's the same thing else? Stay of motion to approve this like forward. We need a few minutes as amended Okay, get a second Second all in favor. All right All right, and we had some uh, there was quite a bit of meeting minutes in the back There they were, um, the I.C. And I saw the record Now with the joint board meeting And then these are the updated rules the signs have been made I think that letter from Donald Kelly that was uh, very nice. Yeah, it was not nice. It was nice. It was and um, then at the very end of the packet is your Is Mary Floyd has been working diligently to put this on A celebration of 101st anniversary of women's vote. This actual picture is, um About a mother for um with scott What's stevie neurons scott puny stop? This is scott puny's mom And um, yeah, and different people are sharing things about, you know, their family members and so, um Mary really wanted to do it at the 100th anniversary of course. We have COVID so she's Doing it now. So it's actually very, um, yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, Mary's been really pushing for it to get it done And by God she did And then you got the updated version we made the couple changes to what you're going to be voting on You've got your amendment of the zoning bylaws plus your report. Yep So and that's been, um The paper the ads been sent out the paper and all that's already done Any other business to come before the board? In a motion to enter executive session to discuss the annual evaluation of the town manager And clerk slash treasurer so move all in favor