 Hello everyone and welcome back to four of the minions episode 30 We got a quite the episode lined up for you guys this week Of course we have our news and updates as always but followed by that. We're going to do a new highlight real section I've got three highlights for you guys one of them is from the legacy map, which I wasn't expecting and that's pretty cool And then after that we got the poll results the we're doing the tournament to the most impactful ultimate tournament and then after that we have tech time not with Ruba just myself Best way to view some unreleased skins then after that we're going to do the name game with Darra again If you guys never saw that we can bring Mandy's sister Darra in who has never played Paragon or any games really and see if she Can match up hero names and abilities with their portrait then our top four discussion is the effects of the united community Everybody pulling together for these games We're going to kind of wondering if they're going to be less toxicity because of that But uh, I'm your host the one and only man goes joining me as always is my lovely co-host Mandy Mal Mandy, how you doing? I'm doing so great. We've brought back another wonderful blast from the past guest So I posted for the minions number nine, I believe it was so it was quite a while ago Yeah after that soca soca has become one of my one of my best friends on here talk to talk about our Paragon with we've had some good times played a little Paragon demo together. It's uh Good times all around. How you been sock? I've been good, man. I've been good. You know what I uh, I I meant to do I meant to wear your shirt, oh Yeah, I've got it, so I haven't found too many opportunities to wear that I'm not gonna wear that shit out in public No, maybe I should maybe I should do that. Maybe I should you know next year when school starts when it's meet the teacher day I'll just go there with that and uh like a NASCAR hat or something With a flask of whiskey All right, uh, let's uh, let's move into the news and updates. Let's start off as always with made-up up They had mentioned after the The the video that they released with sparrow replacing revenant in their alpha lineup That they were getting a hold of a mocap suit and they did and some of us have seen a little bit of that I'm not gonna I can't really show it on the video because it's not really complete or anything But they do have a mocap suit and that's going to help out not only with Creating videos to advertise the game, but just creating assets and animation assets in general I asked the operas as I said true or false. You're going to use that mocap suit to put teabag animations on everybody He just said no comment Oh, so he didn't deny it then So what do you guys think about that what do you guys think about them? mainly I would say advertising because Paragon really didn't advertise the game much so I think that's going to be key for a lot of these companies and it looks like Looks like made-up off is not going to let that slide. So what do you guys think? Um sock you want to go ahead? Yeah, sure. Um Honestly, I'm just happy for it because it's You know anything like that is it's just it's going to make The animating steps easier, you know, it's going to be Less dependent on somebody actually physically animating something I mean, obviously, they're still gonna have to do it But you know when they get that that suit or whatever that they can just do the motions themselves some and kind of match the animations to that or Honestly, I don't know much about unreal I'm sure it has a function to where you can kind of Do the same motion, you know a few times and then it will kind of Make the animation Like that, right? I'm not exactly sure how that works But for for advertising, I think this It's good to have something like that too. Although I do think that At least at first when these games come out We were talking about this uh me and a buddy uh jacko. We were talking about How we think that they the advertising Should be done who they should kind of uh Put invest more into consumer wise In the beginning because I think that You know early on these these games are going to at least be okay for a while Um, because they're going to have the the back of the community, you know, I mean So at least for a while, they'll be okay and then and then figuring out how to how to branch out from that If the game, you know Talks to talk and walks to walk how they have to move forward from from that to draw in new people because I mean you're You're moba. Yeah, you're gonna be something You know, the other mobas don't have you're gonna be a 3d moba um, you know that has verticality and all that stuff but You know, you're gonna have to figure out how to pull people from league from Smite from I imagine most of the people they're gonna pull is probably going to be from smite You know, I'm sure they'll pull people from from league and other mobas too, but um This that is only going to happen if the game is you know Is is deep and mechanical is league or those games, you know, I mean So they'll have to they'll have to do something and they'll definitely have to I think they need to um Try to advertise as much as they can when they get to that point, you know so Yeah, I don't think that they need to necessarily drop a lot of money to advertise on, you know, like huge social media, uh, like uh, well like tv or something like that I don't know if that's necessarily the the good route, but at least have a lot of You know, like uh, you guys ever get those mobile game ads Need to do it like mafia boss, you know, I mean just have a ad that doesn't make any sense You know people are like, what is this? So they have to go look it up. Yeah Yeah I agree. I I don't know which I'm more excited about the you know, the possibility of using that mocap for um Making the animations in game look that much better or the advertising opportunities like both of those are really exciting both of those are I think really good steps to kind of set them apart from maybe some of these other competitors if you will um and it's uh kind of um It's like wow, that's that's big deal there to have a mocap suit. That's like, you know movie level So that's it's pretty impressive. Um, so I'm excited to see what they do with it It should be helpful like uh grox is basically quite a few animations. It should be helpful Creating those because they're gonna need to because yeah grox is just very incomplete in the assets Right I'm sure there's a lot more characters that are like that too, you know out of the What I I don't even remember how many is it 40 39 something like that 30 not including boris 39 okay. Yeah, so I'm sure there's gonna be a lot more that that are missing animations Yeah, grox is just the one that stands out the most I think He's missing the most um Moving on from meta buff. Let's go into a meta studios They said last week that they were going to be completing the hero kits and they did They have completed the uh all the hero kits for the five heroes that they have for the alpha And they're going to begin working on the minions towers and cards next and that's good news because the minions were Pretty wonky pretty wonky in the uh in the pre alpha so Uh, maybe what do you think about um The minions towers and cards. What do you think they could do to improve those? Um, I I agree the minions definitely had had some wonk to um The cards I feel like you know, we didn't really get to Do too much with the cards because they were incomplete. So that'll be exciting to have them be maybe more More completeness go around. Um, I know like wards weren't working. So maybe wards wards will work Oh say that five times fast. Um So that's that's exciting the towers. Um, I don't I I don't really remember there being issues with towers. Um, I don't think there was Yeah, I think they worked pretty well. They seemed pretty solid. Um, but any little like, you know Maybe they're doing some visual tweaks or something like that to them I'm just excited to get my hands on it again. Um, you know, it's I don't know if it's because it's the only version We've got to play but predecessor is definitely a frontrunner in my personal like where what I'm hyped for Um, and maybe that's because it's the one I've gotten my hands on Um, even though and and I think I even said too goose I may not have like had tons of fun playing predecessor because of well, and I went about it the wrong way too I was like very I didn't I didn't go in it trying to have fun and like Find bugs. I was like I have to like I'm playing with like high level people here. Like I have to try my best You know an alpha. I was like not I was not in the right mindset so I'm excited to get my hands on it and and play around with it some more and um, you know Have more fun at this time than I did last time and not be so like Nervous about like, you know, not not performing well And I want to try more of the heroes out because I really didn't have an opportunity to try out too many of the heroes. So Yeah, I got a comment on the first video I did for uh Four predecessor where I was just running around like crazy with thing now exploring the jungle and like Using the jump pad to go back and forth. Somebody was like, you're the worst jungler ever You're an idiot if you think I was actually trying Right and see I didn't do that. I went in it like when I played as muriel. I like wouldn't leave the The carry I wouldn't leave the carry. I wouldn't leave the lane. I wouldn't you know, I was like, no, I can't I can't, you know I can't go explore. I never even got to use a jump pad because I was like, nope. I've got my role I have to stick to my role and everybody else was like, you know off Willi nilly in the jungle So I gotta you got one of the random keys didn't you in the one of the random giveaways in the discord? Uh Yeah, sort of I got a I got a random one It was from somebody else So, okay, they got an extra one. So they gifted me the Yeah, I mean I'm I'm hoping that it comes out soon too because honestly, I just need something to do besides play league and it was I think pretty much I don't know. I always felt like they had that deadline that they they sat and I bet I kind of think that if they didn't have that deadline that they would not have released it at that point Seems like that was just the kind of thing to You know hit that mark and be like, hey, look we you know, we did what we said, you know, which I mean it's fine I see the thing I think in my opinion people Kind of expect too much from these things Uh at first like I didn't think that we'd see anything Uh as early as we did I I kind of was thinking like 2020. We might see something that's Yeah, you know, that's that's actually worth Wow, um, because as as fun as it was to run around and stuff and predecessor if they had left that as it was I don't think that I would have You know played it for a prolonged period of time especially because It would have gone deaf from the footsteps Or when I altered with Muriel because he just sounded like a fucking jet engine all the time when it glitched out just running around but I mean it was it was fun, you know, it was it was fun to to get back in there and You know play especially on like a the map, you know, looked pretty nice in my opinion. So a nice 5v5 map and um, so hopefully everything is is kind of smoother with With them when it when it does come out, I'll be I'll be hyped to try it out again Yeah, I'm really looking forward to To the 5v5 like like I mentioned before we played that paragon demo and that's fun And that's a great accomplishment from uh, wasn't a dan. Yeah dan animals Yeah, a great great accomplishment from him, but it's like a strip club man It's like it's just a teaser that makes me horny for something that I can't actually put my hands on, you know I We actually did he just released the muriel encounters and that so we were playing the other day actually, yeah Yeah, it's you're right. I mean you play it and it's fun It's better if you have like 5v5, but it's pretty hard to get 10 people playing at the same time But 1v1 those games can take like up to like an hour, you know And you're just like if you're losing you just I mean, it's not it's not balanced at all. It's not You know the minion the ai is still you have a minion that chases you through like two fucking towers It's just really wants wants your ass, you know So And I just i'm gonna say this right now When predecessor comes out I just want to get that 1v1 against nambore So Yeah, I didn't get a chance. I didn't get a chance to last time He was on my team one game and that was it. So yeah, I played a game with him as well. I was like, oh shit Yeah, and the more if you're watching when it comes out, you know hit me up, man It's content the gauntlet has been thrown Let's move on from a made of studios to undying games with ethereal They actually gave me a lot of stuff, but it wasn't for for the minions They uh, it's a it's a lot of exclusive material that i'm going to be doing a solo video on so you guys can Look forward to that. Hopefully This week or maybe next week. I'll have to see what I can put together But um just ethereal in general. What's what's your thoughts and opinions on that sock up? I mean, I don't know as much about it as as you do obviously, um You know, I've I've talked to people about How it could work and how we think it's gonna work, you know, because there's It's wildly different from anything else. So like You know, I remember somebody was talking to one of the devs Uh a while back ago and they were talking about like the the junglers that have wings and stuff like that And they're like, how does that work? You know, because at least in my mind, you know I don't know how to balance that unless you make that like Only for traveling You can't like fight when you're flying around because if you're a ranged character or whatever You're just I mean if you can just fly around and shoot at somebody and they're melee and they're just watching you the whole time It's gotta be pretty rough But I'm excited to try it. Um You know, I think that they'll uh, they'll have um Quite a lot to uh kind of Work out and stuff like that. Um You know, I think that it has the potential because it's so different To to actually kind of set itself apart from the others and gain a following and stuff like that. So um, and I like the idea of 6v6 because you can Have, you know, you can run different comps like two junglers or you could do like two adcs and two supports or Something like that, you know and still have a jungler. So that's that's kind of interesting to me Yeah, I should make for some interesting games definitely that's going to make for a lot of, uh ingenious and um What's the word i'm looking for where people just kind of are gonna I can only imagine yeah creative gameplay I can't even imagine what people are going to come up with because there was already some creative uh gameplay in paragon with Options we had there so like phase and our bash combo like who thought of that? That was awful. Yeah, it was Like just an unkillable duo, but yep. Yeah, it's gonna be gonna be crazy Then uh, we had nothing for phoenix rising this week. Um, but if you guys are interested in learning anything about any of these games I'll have um their discords youtube channels and all that Good stuff linked in the video description below so you can do your own research But now we're going to head into a new segment of the show. We got a highlight reel I asked um last week for some highlights. So let's go ahead and take a look at that This first clip is from richter main flanking this rampage with his yin pulls him in with a nice grab Silences out the leap and then catches him with the ultimate as he comes back down Finishes him off the yin gets the kill. Good job. Good job all around, but they're not done yet We're going to clear out some minions head on up this lane Just missed that hook on the calari calari is a bit of a hard target to hit slender frame But he lures the calari out and bam nails a sweet hook pulls her out from under the tower finishes her off Great job. Like I was saying like your countesses calari shambies. They're hard to hit with that damn hook Going to take us a little trip down memory lane with a clip from through umak play in some twin blast What the legacy map I was not expecting the legacy clips, but I'm glad That we got some the opposing team is trying to take down the orb prime. He's waiting in the shadow. Well pops in He's going to toss that grenade in just perfect. Bam Steals the orb prime away from the enemy team. They got to be pissed. That's the beautiful thing about paragon Like at that moment four very different people from four very different places all came together as one to say What the fuck just happened? This final clip was submitted by my boy marco. However, it's dkt gaming that is playing right here Let's just sit back and watch Now the thing I enjoyed most about this clip was the roller coaster of emotions that dkt went through He went from oh fuck. I'm dead too. Holy shit. Good stuff all around All right, I hope you guys enjoyed the highlights there if you have any highlights If you have any, you know old recordings or clips or anything like that You can send them in to me on uh on discord and I'll see if I can work them in sock App sent me some a little late, but uh Some pretty sweet rictor poles and it is uh in the highlights that he sent me So we'll probably look take a look at those next week But for now let's get into the poll results for the poll. I've been doing the most impactful ultimate and um This week it was feng mal gadget gideon graystone and grim squaring off and gideon won by a huge margin Feng mal had six percent gadget 11 gideon 62 graystone 14 grim seven I think this one really came down to gadget gideon and graystone as far as the most impactful ultimate and uh No surprise that gideon won. He uh, he he won the most popular Hero overall competition, but uh next week. He's gonna be squaring off against. Um, well his next The next part of the bracket will be squaring off against aurora, and I don't know who's going to win that one I don't know who's Whose ultimate was a more impactful ultimate gideons or auroras. I personally think aurora actually If I had to vote on this one if I was able to vote I would have voted for gadget personally, but um That's just me because gadget could actually lay uh lay the tesla dome Down and then do other things whereas gideon was kind of stuck in one spot for black hole and you could just pop him out of the air That's a good point when they added the stun is when his ultimate got really over the top. Yeah Yeah, that was uh That was uh, that was an oopsie by uh Epic there. I think That was one of many oopsies And you kind of saw how a um impactful Graystone's ultimate could be in the uh clip that I had from dkt where You know, he had everybody slowed down from his ultimate and everybody was focused on Trying to kill him off on graystone and then you know grucks came in from behind and and pretty much just fucked the entire team but So graystone's ultimate could also be very impactful Yeah, I had a hard time deciding between uh gideon and graystone and after I voted for gideon and I saw What a landslide he was wanting by I almost wished which I think you can change your your vote. I'm not sure Um, I almost went with graystone But if that was my first initial reaction was gideon just because I saw a lot of people get fucked up by that black hole so it was like I uh, that was my choice Okay, so moving on for the poll results where you have tech time this week, uh without ruba I did it by myself. However, I got a really sweet message from ruba. It said He said because you know, I've been trying to stay away from from pulling ruba in for tech time because he is hard at Work on predecessor But he sent me a message said that he'll always have time for for the minions if I want to finish up the yin thing So I'll definitely be getting in contact with him and they hit me right in the heart. They hit me right in the heart We love ruba for this week. It's going to be my own tech time We're going to go over how you can best view the skins Well, what I think is the best way to view some of the skins that maybe you didn't get to see that We're unreleased in paragon. So uh, let's go ahead and take a look at tech time So I find the best way to view the skins is in a first person project in unreal So open up the unreal engine if you don't have it. Just go ahead and download it. It's free. No worries Go to new project and we're going to search around. We're going to find a first person project to do Um first I use a first person project because it allows me to kind of run around and get a really good Look at the skins and you could just shoot little nerf balls at the characters if you really want to So we got our first person project picked, uh, you know picked desktop, whatever Whatever the hell you need to give it a name. We're going to call it skin viewer And I screwed up and put a space in there. You cannot have a space So we just need to delete that space out and then we have our first person project Now once we're in here to the first person project We can just go ahead and click on this stuff and then just press the delete button to Get rid of that. Don't want anything getting in the way of our skins Now we need a hero to load in here We're going to choose countess because a lot of people were kind of intrigued by that showgun countess skin So I'm going to show that off. So we'll go to library Make sure you've got your under the unreal engine tab under epic games go to marketplace And then just type in countess in the in the search bar Or any whatever paragon hero you want to look at really now there countess already have her They're all free. So you don't have to pay for them You just add them to your cart and check out and you have them We'll go into library where uh, this is where they'll go after you Quote unquote by them and we're going to add her to the skin viewer project that we just made Okay, now that we're in here we can just grab the Countess animation blueprint That's her base skin and drag it drop it right in and go ahead and save your Your content because this is going to crash often at least it does for me So now if we go down into these tabs down here, we can select on skins We have her tier one tier two skins. Let's pick up her red skin. Oh, I just hit the meshes instead of the skins Or the materials I mean, so I need the mesh. So let's grab the mesh Grab it drag it drop it in easy as pie And we'll just continue doing that with the rest of the skins Now we can just hit the play button and we can actually go in here As if it's a first person game and take a look at the skins As much as we want and shoot little balls at them So that's a pretty cool pretty easy way to look at the skins But of course, you know looking at them just stand in here is you know, it's cool You can get you know a lot of good details And they look cool and everything but it's better when they're moving. So let's go ahead and animate these So we're going to stop the project So we just click on count us. I need to drag this over so I can see the details page What we're going to do is instead of using animation blueprint We're going to use animation asset And we're going to assign an animation to each one of these So this is another this is the way that you can also look at a lot of the animations too Let's give her that 70s dance Let's just go through give all of these different animations and then check them out Okay, let's go ahead and play and now they've all got animations that they're playing. So that's pretty cool Let's go and maximize this window as much as we can get a better look at them And cruise around through here Got our base skin here This is the I think the the halloween skin. I think it was Then here's the shogun skin and this is like the the master seductive Emote which I don't remember of course. I didn't play a whole hell of a lot of counters But it looks pretty bad ass I should kind of lures you in with that little look and then she whips out the sword. It's pretty cool shit But So as you can see it's very simple if you want to if you want to see if any of your favorite heroes Had skins that you never saw or if you just want to go back in revisit some of the skins and revisit some of the Animations and taunts and such very easy to do simple thing So I hope you guys learned a little bit of something on tech time again. Sorry. I can't um I kind of don't want to get ruba in here. I want to let him focus on predecessor But I hope you enjoyed tech time with the man goose All right, guys, I hope you enjoyed tech time. I hope you learned a little bit But for now, we're going to get into something a little more fun We're going to play the name game with dara like I said mentioned before dara has never played paragon Doesn't play games at all So it's kind of fun to just see if she can match up the names with the heroes that she always does A little better than we think she's going to do so let's check that out now All right, so dara is going to be just like the last time we did this Almost just like last time this I threw a through a little wrench in the plans this time But you got three paragon heroes and then you've got three names on the side three abilities Well, actually you have four names and four abilities two of the one one of the names and one of the abilities is completely not Does that anything to do with paragon? So I'm giving you even less of a chance to succeed this time. So Go ahead and like you did last time talk us through your Your thought process and try to match up the names and the abilities with the portrait there Hi, welcome to another installment of illiteracy with dara because you can't read none of the word Um knock knock definitely a hero That's my favorite character of all the paragon games Knock knock all the paragon games all the paragon games all of them paragon one two 75 all of them, okay, so Hmm, okay obliterate. I think is probably fake too Okay No Are all of these fake? Nope, nope Okay muriel I once ate at a restaurant called the muriel room actually was mural room, but we called it muriel Oh, okay Okay, that was boring. So Muriel she doesn't look like a muriel, but Maybe she's serenity muriel But she doesn't look she kind of looks serene. Uh, let's give her a serenity okay right and Ray Ooh, ooh, ooh revenant because I love wine owner erp. He kind of looks like a revenant from the show Um I've never heard of that show I'm not talking to you now. We'll discuss it after the game Uh, let's see It's Yeah Great Or knock knock. Oh, I don't know Oh The talk one doesn't look like a raid. You've been look like a muriel I'm gonna say it's zikia Or whatever. It's a Kai Yeah, that it's it's the Kai sure him too and Oh lord Obliterate, um, I'd say is zikia Can obliterate you Serenity Oh crap wait Revenant rape, maybe he rates you I don't even know if you can rape somebody but why not They'll huge I'm gonna say just because No, you know what all that muriel has a serenity power Maybe that's it and then okay. I'm done Okay, awesome. Yeah, you have me nervous there because you you move muriel to the correct position at first And then you change it out with serenity. You are absolutely correct. That is muriel and she does have an ability named serenity Um, you also got revenant correct. That is the correct name for this hero right here however, he Is the one that obliterates Oh That makes much more sense is a Kai Is a japanese anime word for somebody who gets transported into another dimension He does not you're you're right. He does not look like a wraith, but that is wraith And his ability is knock knock So once again Once again You went 50 percent, which is even better now that I put in like Random false ones. So yeah, you got muriel serenity and revenant, right? So again, you went 50 percent. You're uh, you're holding strong even even though i'm making it harder Wait knock knock is really his ability. Yes, I did an entire video about how stupid his ability names were This is a joke, right? No, his no his abilities were named knock knock. Who's there? surprise surprise What was the other one? He had knock knock who's there? Oh bring it back Back that up. Was that also one of his? Yeah back that ass up I Only worked on our bash So yeah, great job 50 percent. This is This is so much fun. I loved doing this Will you be able to do it again? Tara like, uh, I don't know next week. Maybe Week after next whatever, you know We'll bring you in because this is this is great. This is absolutely fun I think it's fun too I should laugh at myself All right, and that was the name game with dara now we're going to move into the topic for discussion And this is something that mandy brought up um just in passing she was talking about uh toxicity and um, I kind of agree with her here with the with the Community being far more unified now after the loss of paragon. I think at first at least the toxicity is going to be um Very low as compared to what it used to be So, uh, that's kind of what I wanted wanted to talk about sort of the effects of this Weird situation we're in where paragon was canceled our favorite game and now it's being brought back by various studios. So That's the topic mandy. What did you uh, do you have anything to say since you uh, you brought this up originally? Yeah, I was um, actually watching a friend of mine stream and he was streaming smite and there happened to be a very toxic person Um, and he was talking about the toxicity that he's experienced in smite And it got me to thinking that the only time and this is probably because I don't play a lot of multiplayer games I play more like single player narrative driven games. I only ever experienced toxicity in MOBAs and battle royales So that was kind of interesting that it was like I wonder if now that everybody is You know because there there was definitely toxicity in um, paragon Um, now that we've all kind of come together and we're rooting for all of these to succeed or at least one of these to succeed Will the community like you mentioned at first? That's definitely definitely a little asterisk because it's not gonna last um, will we be more likely to Be encouraging of one another and understanding of one another and just excited that we have our favorite game back versus being Toxic to one another so I thought that was an interesting thing that maybe we could discuss and see what you guys think Am I living in a dream land? Is it never gonna happen? I mean, I think that it probably will be for a while. I don't know how long that will last too But also my you know, I've played league pretty much That's what I streamed since since paragon died and so my My experience is a little bit skewed I've been because I used to think that you know paragon was was kind of toxic and I went and played league and I was like, whoa, wait a minute Like every game in my placements, there was somebody that was like kill yourself and I was like, oh, okay. Wow. This is how it is over here You know, so Uh, I think now I have maybe a little bit of a different perspective on the what's toxic and what's not so You know But I think that you're right I think that at least for a while people will be, you know pretty elated pretty happy that uh that it's back and You know, they won't really be worrying too much about What happens and I you know in the game itself, whether they're losing or winning or all that stuff I think that probably one will see uh Uh recurrence of toxicities is when Any one of these games implements a rank system because that just comes With toxicity so that's exactly what I was going to say next is that I think the the rank system will Probably bring with it. Um more Competitiveness therefore probably more heated, you know emotions and that usually brings out some toxicity, but um Yeah, that that's an excellent point. Yeah, I think I think Go ahead Oh, I just always felt paragon was probably the least toxic multiplayer game I've ever played I mean, I definitely did experience some toxicity in paragon, but As far as that goes it wasn't that much and especially in legacy legacy was just like a fucking fairytale land of everybody helping each other out And like you could you can suggest to somebody like hey, why don't you do this instead? And they're like, you know what that's a good idea. I think I'll try that, you know, instead of like, oh, fuck you I know how to play, you know But that that definitely came around eventually, but yeah when paragon first released there was very very little toxicity um, the toxicity seemed to really come in with the Switch over to monolith when they got a fuckload more players And a lot of those players came from a first person shooter background Because they were kind of catering more towards the first person or the third person first person third person shooter Um community which I find to be extremely toxic. So we got a lot of toxic people in then Yeah, and I was kind of thinking the if One of these games say they really take off and they're just better than the rest or whatever And they become the the frontrunner in the main game that everybody's playing and they do, you know, draw in people outside of the original paragon community will that bring in extra toxicity because They haven't gone through what we've gone through together as this bonding experience, you know I think once they pull people from like leaguer if they pull people from from dota even some might I'm sure that that's That's probably gonna happen a little bit It's it it will be there though. Oh, yeah, as soon as they as soon as they add chimera. That's that's gonna happen That's like the the stereotypical Chai of meramine building like full damage and jumping in the five people just eating it and then As soon as he gets blown up like instantly like as he lands from his jump He's just he dies and he's like, well the fuck is my team And you're like, dude You have no, you know, you have no hp. No armor. What do you expect this is gonna happen when you jump in the five? This is so hard to argue with that that is so true Why didn't you chase this guy into their jungle with me? Oh, man um I like to the I like to use reverse toxicity just to throw people off like Like if they'll like, you know, be bitching me or something like, oh, yeah Well, I think you're a great player and in fact, I might even bake you a cake afterwards. How about that shit, motherfucker? I'll say I'll say it like that It's just very confusing for them. Yeah, because how do you even respond to that? Nobody knows You gotta you gotta be aggressive about it. You gotta be aggressively nice Aggressively nice. Oh man Yeah, I'm hoping I'm hoping that just you know, like like we talked about with everybody going through this all together and everybody missing paragon that You know, at least we'll have a small window of a golden era where everybody's just kind to each other Yeah, hold hold my hand. Let's sing kumbaya It could go the other way though because these games are going to be different than paragon and everybody's going to be trying to apply What they know about paragon to the game and then They'll probably be It won't work as well and then other people will know that it won't work as well So then you might you might get a little bit of toxicity there It just depends I mean, I think see that It also depends on the the level of um You know, well, I guess how good that the game actually is because You know, if the game comes out and it's just like a Unresponsive it's not polished or anything. You know, not as many people are going to take it serious You know, if it comes out and it's playing like Paragon played it's smooth the combat's good and all that stuff and there's depth to it then At that point people are going to get more serious about it any time somebody becomes more serious about it Just like with ranked you're going to have more people getting upset when when something bad happens in the game So Yeah, I know with uh with predecessor the way the way it was when in the alpha when it was released I would get a little bit angry whenever you're like because you would get caught on people a lot. It was like the It was like it was like there wasn't a circle Like, you know circles kind of you know hit and bounce off each other It's like it seemed like everybody's character model was square It would just get stuck on each other I'd be like, oh my god. Get the fuck off me. Like I'm trying to move It was so difficult. That was kind of the um, that was how you killed people in predecessor was just body blocking them into minions Right There's nothing there's nothing that tilts you more than like your own team in my opinion like I remember um What was that card the the group stasis one that they had at the the end god. Yeah, what was that called? I know what you're talking about though Yeah, it's the one that just put everybody in stasis Your teammates and the enemies. Yeah So there's there's a team fight where like I ulted with giddy in and I hit like four of them And then some dude on my team just like stasis, which of course knocks you out of your ult is giddy in and So like my ult went off for like two seconds or for like a second I was like, I got everybody we're gonna win this team fight and then he just stays this time. I was like, oh my god What the fuck I immediately just start typing, you know, you piece of shit You know, I'm like You just threw that whole team fight, you know, how could you dude's like my bad, you know Yeah Great player Wraith I think caused more toxicity than any other hero in paragon because bring it back when Would save people a lot of times Which would piss you off and then also he would just steal your kills all the goddamn time with knock knock Like you'd work so hard and then a righteous bang It's like god damn it, dude I can't remember who it was if it was I can't remember who's playing wraith, but we had to go against It was either splinter or phasma playing richter and then whoever they were duo with I don't know if it was straight for I don't think it was nato sick, but It was some adc that was you know high level And that wraith richter combo It's just As soon as you get rewound The richter, you know knows how to time their hook So they're just gonna hit you out of the rewind the rewind And it you cannot miss it, you know, if you time it right, it's unavoidable. You're just gonna get hit by it so playing against that was like I remember the first time we played against that. I was like, oh my god. This is just so dumb Like I can't you can't run from them because if you run from them, then you just get rewound So so both both of you in the duo lane are like running and it's like which one is he gonna pick when I'm He means so obviously it's gonna be me. So I'm like fuck. I'm dead, you know, just keep running That sucks. That's what We started doing it too and it was a lot of fun, but I think yeah, that's probably the best way that um A studio can avoid toxicity within their community is to balance the game well That's probably the best way because that's the main thing that really Kind of creates toxicity is when you have an unbalanced comp and somebody else is running it and you're not, you know It just makes it less enjoyable. I remember when uh phase and revenant had first come out like and they came out one after the other I can't remember phase came out first. I think it was revenant, but I can't They're both just so much better than the other choices. It was like if you didn't pick those two in the duo lane then It was almost like an auto loss and hyu and it was just so fucking frustrating Then there was when sarah could was able to do like a over a thousand dps like You know that's damage per second she did too And it came down to which team had the better sarah. That's who won the game that That created a bit of a toxic environment there for a while. Yeah All right, that's about all I had to say on the topic. You guys good Yeah, all right, let's move on to plugs sock app I know you I know I know you're you got the twitch. You got anything else you want to plug or you Plug your twitch channel a bit here. Yeah Can I plug two things? You can plug as much stuff as you want Except my butthole I was actually about to ask that No, I know you um Because I just got one in the mail. No, I'm just kidding. Uh I wanted to try it out, uh My channel obviously is twitch.tv slash stock cap also, uh That tv slash the jacka um I don't know. I'll put his his stream in there He's somebody that I've gotten to know pretty well Over the last few months. Good guy. So he streams every once in a while. Not often, but he's a good guy Yeah, like jacka Very nice You watching jacka you hear that mongoose likes you? Jacka needs to I'm telling jacka. I told jacka. I said you need to come on this show, man He's more than welcome anytime. Oh, yeah, that'd be cool Mandy got anything to plug um I am a terrible youtuber and I let everybody down and I didn't have the video up that I said I was gonna have up So I'm never doing that again. I've never put Setting a goal for myself like that Just uh streaming smuggle butt off onto which it's so much fun The people that come hang out are incredible. So if you'd like to come hang out with some incredible people It's a lot more talking than it is gaming. So, uh, and the gaming is fairly mediocre So come on in and enjoy that was a that was a terrible plug. Everybody's like I do a great job of interacting with your community I'll tell you that like oh, thank you You seem to make everybody feel feel good about themselves whenever they come in So that's that's a good quality for a streamer to have I think Oh, thanks I enjoy it. It's a lot of fun right on um For myself, I guess the ethereal video that I'll have coming out pretty soon And then I've been streaming a little bit, but you're just nothing serious And I think yeah, I think that's it. Um Yeah, that's going to be the end of the show. Thanks everybody for coming out if you're watching the premiere Um, let's see you guys around. I think thank you for coming out. Thanks for interacting with us somewhat live But uh, yeah, that's going to be it for the four the minions crew. We're uh, we're starting off You guys have a good one Take care Man go