 Ice cold beer this electro mechanical game that we'll talk about that in a separate show sometime But it was a you got to get this little ball bearing past It's like labyrinth, but you're moving this bar instead of moving the labyrinth. Yeah, it was it was pretty tricky Pete I think was rocking that he got to four or five holes I got to three on the internet you can see someone beat the whole daddy three holes It's the best I could do yeah, but they had a lot of Japanese arcade cabinets, which was awesome, which are really nice and it makes you know You see the thing I really I never really realized about you know I knew it, but I didn't know it was that you know They're you sit at them because they're meant for you instead of standing you sit And it was just so comfortable because they were exactly the right height I guess they're supposed to be the right height for Japanese people were small, but they were not that much bigger Yeah, it was the right height for me and sitting at them was just so comfortable like that We played the Tetris one and the sticks and buttons on so nice Japanese arcade cabinets because I haven't had a lot of experience with Them are way just higher quality really anything I've ever seen it really makes me wonder though because the sticks and buttons on them Are so nice, and but supposedly the Street Fighter sticks we have are the same buttons and sticks But that's not quite the same, but I think those are worn in yeah I gotta I gotta wear in my stick to make it nice like this sit there and play. I don't know rip your tapper for I gotta play something but man it like we were playing some SNK capcom all those kinds of games I normally would never bother with at a convention and yet playing it on the Japanese arcade cabinet. I Actually really like those games now. Yeah, it was a good I gave those games a short shrift and I'm not doing plays them a schmup that had like some red you had ridiculous You think Ray was bullet hell, but you could also deliver bullet how it was like Raiden except you have ten times as many bullets And they're ten times bigger and then you have to pay for any these games Just push the button it was also it was weird It was like cute pig girls like everything was a pig girl I'm sure someone knows what the game is it was kind of kind of just a little bit, but it wasn't it wasn't super perverted But that arcade I I had a lot of fun. I could spend my whole con and our machines They had everything the DDR machine had old school machines They had you know, they had those game the all kinds of everything the only thing they didn't have were the like 60s 70s electromechanical stuff like the Museum is cold beer as cold beer is a relatively recent game. Yeah, it's not like pinballs. Yeah pinball games are old They didn't have like sub hunter. No one thing they did have was this challenge area, right? Basically, they have a bunch of laptops set up with emulators and it's got how many challenges. Did you beat one? How many did I beat one? Yeah You could have beaten two if you would have done the one I did so the way the challenge thing works I think you can download the challenges. I think I'm not sure if not Let's ask Meg festival give them to us. Yeah, but anyway You get the challenges and it's a little menu and you can choose normal hard Unfair there's different very well put together and you're like all right. I want to play NES unfair challenges It's like all right beat this by on a commando level under this time without dying with no health whatever or Like crazy. What was it beat one of the airships at the end of Mario 3 with a hammer suit without losing the hammer suit Yeah, they were all really really hard and many of them I could have beaten given enough time I could have done it. I just didn't want to know I mean like I could go and do it now But it would take me half a day to practice and get it just because the point of this I don't think is can I practice all day and do it the point is all right Who's got the biggest Nintendo balls right down right now beat that level by a commando I don't know if they put it online though You might be able to practice before the con and then you just have to perform at the con to score But then it's more of a performance art Yeah, but anyway, the thing is you you load up you choose a selection you push the load save state button and you play It starts you right at the challenge Yeah, perfect and there's people watching the whole time So if you beat a challenge you say did I beat it and they say yep and they mark your badge number down Hello packs. This is our badge number idea. It's just this is like the most meager use of the badge number Right, but also packs as we've learned magfest printed the same kind of badges you print and they had individual serial numbers on each one Yeah, it can't be that expensive our code won't cost any more than that because you know, it's like hey We got to do it. Yeah. Anyway, so they wrote down your badge number And if you won enough challenges, then you would get prizes and you know There's a whole chart showing what you could get like you beat three nes challenges Yeah, cuz you're gonna be three of those challenges. Anyway, the challenge that I beat I beat the capture Carmen San Diego They start you in the final took you two tries. No, it didn't I Missed a lot of questions. I recall. No, I only missed one only one only missed one thing and then I corrected it immediately I don't know They gave me that they mark For the record I beat they got capture Carmen San Diego It took me a lot of tries to beat by on a command because I'm good I'm buying a command is my game. I figured all right. I'll do the buy on a commando challenge Scott did do the mega man challenge mega man two challenges It was like okay beat the big tank with bubble only and I you know I got it like halfway and I was like man if I sat here for two more hours. I could have this the worst I'm not gonna waste two hours of my convention It was what beat heatman's level without dying with no power-ups Including heatman with no alternate weapons See not only you had to do basically what it comes down to is you have to do all the jumps in the middle without using the To rocket I think I could have done that I could have done that with enough tries But then on the same try because you can't die right on that same try you also have to beat heatman which means You have to make the jumps don't lose any of your health Or lose barely any health and beat heatman heatman without a weapon without with a pee I can't beat hardly any robot masters with it with the pee I can be like two or three robot masters with the pee but still I can be quick man I can be I can be a quick man airman flash man or Quick man airman flash and metal man I could be any of those four with just the gotta be metal man She's metal man first you don't have to you should it's actually airman is considered the first whatever metal man is advanced first Anyway, but yeah I could be any of those with just the pee probably without dying in a reasonable amount of time But heatman that would have taken quite a few so the one I beat was I sat there And I tried to beat the the dark level in my on a commando not just with no weapons or anything without dying But without any leveling up I cheated I sat there and leveled up in the level. Yeah There was actually one that I almost kind of did which is the Kirby one which was Kirby's adventure Beat the mini boss with the ball. Yeah, that was sad. You finally beat the boss. They're like, all right now beat the level Yeah, it's like you have to beat the all it's it's the mini boss level where you fight all the mini bosses And I was like I beat one of the mini bosses with the ball But you had to beat all the mini bosses with the ball and you have to have the ball at the end But what the gist of this is that it was an awesome thing and other cons should take this model I mean packs and a lot of cons have the oh, here's the tournament at a concert kind of we ran like rampart tournament Just out of nowhere. They just had this kind of constantly going super hardcore super old-school skill based tournament Yeah, 24-7 skill based is the important part of that That was kind of the culture of magfests magfests is really a more skill based con like the Omegathon is very much random until the end to a large degree even at the end and And the gaming culture people kind of they play games, but they're not really playing to win Magfests everyone's sitting down and playing to win the goddamn game. That's right It was all it was mostly concentrating on skill games and hard games right fighting games There were a lot of fighting games, you know, they had the console FPS's which are games of low skill, but they're games of skill Separate discussion for another time and old school, you know donkey Kong and all this anyway So video games at magfest is like, you know, very important and very good very very good So except for the beo the only things we like our con was basically tabletop We spent almost the entire con short of running all the panels We did sitting in tabletop playing games with our friends and with strangers. Mm-hmm a lot of jungle speed We played jungle speed the most I think the reason we played it the most is because you know We got people hooked on it right mostly our friends were hooked on it Yeah, they'd never played it before and we had the I had the brand new expansion Which really amped up the difficulty and it's an asshole right and then on top of that It's a game that you could just play you just whip it out and play it very quickly Unlike say, you know a curricula which I brought we didn't play it because a curricula has a bunch of set up time and rules teaching Where's jungle speed? We just like all right. We just play it. It's easy to start. It's easy to go Yep, I'm sad. We only played modern art once towards the end of the convention I feel like if we would have played it early, we would have played it again It's a good game, but we ran that big bonanza game that was really rockin That was a really good bonanza game Bonanza is such a good whip-out at a con game because there's this weird We praise the culture of magfest so much But again as I keep saying our mega tricks was brand new at this con People didn't have the German style board games rockin. They didn't have any stuff like ready to go They weren't there wasn't a culture of like people are playing a game. Hey, I'll join you So we'd ask people like we like we need one more. Hey, you want to play jungle speed people were afraid It was weird. I we were playing banana grams at one point. There was a girl sitting there I was like you want to play she's like no no no. I'm like why not it's she even she was like no No, I can't play I was like what's the banana gonna bite you. It's not my bite you What do you've heard of you's gonna play banana grams and even if you just sit there and go Or like, you know, we ran a bunch of action castles because you know people never heard of it there They never heard of anything here, but we'll get to that so after our panel We did the kind of thing we do at packs like hey We got the room for another hour who wants to play a game and it packs a thousand people be like, yeah Let's go here. Everybody got the fuck out of that room except for five awesome people Yeah, they were like people were like game I don't know and they like they made their way out of the room as quick as they could they didn't want anything to do with this game Yeah, and then the five people remain loved it. We're like was it awesome. They're like, yeah should was everyone left this room stupid They're like, yeah, I don't know why they left. They're stupid But yeah, apparently the people even though they were culturally with us they weren't you know, let's play a game Because we were a foreign culture. We were we were a little different so we're like hey, we're gonna run a role-playing game you want to play and Everyone else who was doing that at the con had already arranged ahead of time like we're gonna play this gamma world game at this time in this hotel room Yeah, cold guy had some rock and tabletop going. There was up in his private room party. Really? Well public room party there apparently that was a lot of people were saying that was like the big fun Table-topping role-playing room party. We just couldn't get up there because the elevators Oh, whatever and I don't know a total random aside because cold guy He gave us at the con in Atari 2600. There was modded have as video out Yeah, we've been it's sitting right there. We've been playing this thing pretty much non-stop since we got back Yeah, it totally it's great to have an Atari that actually works on a 52-inch Modern television. It's like whoa. You don't have to use any adapters and cables or anything weird You just pop in a game you turn it on it works every time Yep blowing guys like that big yeah outlaw is the best. Oh my god But I came to your room the last time on Saturday night It was like 2 30 in the morning and I knocked on the room party door I'm pretty sure you were asleep and I woke you guys up. So I'm sorry. But anyway, we did some panels in magfest We did we were on two panels that were intellectual panels It was actually you know we call everything we do a panel but most of what we do is actually a lecture actual Presentation we did two panels that were actually panels and I was I was apprehensive going in because I was like All right, these people based on their emails seem smart But we don't know them but we don't know them and we don't know their personalities and we don't know their public speaking skills So is this really going to work out? It worked out crazy well when we sit down We're all introducing ourselves for the panel and I realized that we're the only ones without doctorates and like advanced game theory Yeah, and then dr. Hazard hung out with us like the whole con Yeah, dr. Hazard everyone was awesome, but dr. Hazard was kind of the most awesome I think we meshed pretty well. That was fun. Yeah All of us for a bunch of magfest staff because we were talking game theory over dinner and I think we got far too into the math So we turned to the magfest guys. We're like you want to play the dollar auction? Two dollar auction in fact two dollar auction anyway Yeah, the panels actually went really well in the second one I was good apprehensive again, even though the first one went well because this guy was moderating Yeah, but he's our friend from Connecticut. Yeah, but I was still I was like all right He's acting a little goofy right now, right? But then as soon as the panel started he was for serious Yeah, he was like up. Well, will the gentleman on the left answer gave us all titles. I was the a captain No, I was the admiral. I don't know what I was. I was hefe or something But yeah, we just you know the panels they both went great even though the attendance was and the attendance was good Okay, I mean for this kind of con This is not a panel going con the people who are going to panels are the hardcore people who care about the thing Or the people who want to go see the celebrity like John St. John does his panel the room's full of course Yes, actually he was doing a whole bunch of stuff at the con bridge anything I got But we had to like a separate segment on John St. John anyway, but we did you know losing should be fun We did this two other panels losing should be fun We actually had to kind of modify it like as we were going because we went to a panel before we did anything else And it was this guy who was talking about like collaborative storytelling in role-playing games table top role playing. Yeah, and we're like All right, let's see what this guy's deal is. Let's see if he knows and he's very articulate He knows stuff. He wasn't like the greatest presenter, but he was pretty good above average for a convention panel Especially convention of that. However the panel the gist of the panel was This is a world where only Dungeons and Dragons exists So be that as that being the reality of the world. How do we make D&D a better role-playing game? He basically did this great panel that is only great if you've never heard of any other role-playing game ever Yeah, it was it was similar to the way in which those we talked about in the forum, right? Biologists who discovered calculus on their own. It's like they didn't know calculus at one point in the panel the guy's like So what if what if now bear with me? suppose You at a little point if a player rolled really well you let them control the narrative Tell me what you found like let them have a little control of the story now I was like really have you played any games invented since you might think this is gonna break your game And it might but if you just start introducing these little to give them a little bit of control We're like we all raise our hands simultaneously Have you ever heard of burning whale inspectors Lacuna da da da we listed like a hundred games and he was like No, I've never really heard any of those. Yeah, I think this is the oh when he opened the panel I felt bad. He was like so I'm you know, I'm a really experienced role-player I've been playing tabletop, you know role-playing games like Dungeons and Dragons