 All right, it's four o'clock. Not only the balance with them. I'll call the meeting to order. Roll call, Sorenson here, Decker here, Ackley here. Donahue here, Feldy here. All right, approval of the minutes from our last meeting. Is there a motion to approve the minutes from our November 11th meeting? It's almost, I'll second. Motion by Mary Lynn, second by Barb. I didn't know Dean was making a motion or. Waving somebody. All right, any discussion on the minutes? Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Anyone opposed? Chair votes aye, those minutes are approved. All right, 3.1, general ordinance number 25, 2021 and ordinance amending proportions of chapter 46 of the Shabuigan municipal code relating to the non-discrimination and fair housing. Any questions or motions? There are no questions. I'd like to make a motion. All right, motion to approve by Betty. Second. Second by Dean. Any further discussion? Mary Lynn. I just had a couple of questions for Thomas. So who is the hearing body for the city on these claims? I don't remember having the claims. It looks as though the board is the city plan commission. So I presume the thinking is because this is sort of housing related, it ends up there. And when hearing is defined as a hearing under the jurisdiction of the board except where otherwise indicated and board is the plan commission. Okay. So this is a wonky question, but well, two things. So in the fair housing scheme, is this an exhaustion of administrative remedies that's required? Do you think? You may not have an opinion about that, but is it a hurdle to a federal claim or even a state claim? So having thought about that for all of 30 seconds now, I think I would say no, it's not because we're essentially providing another cause of action. So I don't think that it would foreclose any other claim, it's sort of another avenue. Okay. And does anybody on the committee here or has anybody ever heard of a hearing under this provision? I mean, you've been on the council longest, Marilyn. So. No, I remember in the late 60s having a fair housing ordinance was a big deal in Sheboygan. And I'm proud to say I was on the forefront of that, but in the way, way, way back machine, and I certainly approve of all the changes that have been made. I think those are just a necessary update. But I wonder who knows about this? I mean, particularly, so there's this concept that if there's an administrative or if there's something available to you to address your claim, you have to do that. You have to go through that process before you file a claim like in quarter or whatever. And Thomas is saying that that's probably not required and it's neither here nor there, but what are we doing to make this well known? I mean, I think that would be interesting information they have Thomas is if there's ever been a hearing under this and how it's handled, is there a hearing examiner, you know, that kind of thing. So I think we can start, I would certainly be in favor of approving it today, but I think we could move forward maybe at the council meeting with just some additional info. Yeah, I'm certainly happy to talk with Chuck about that and try to make sure that there's a little bit more information available at council if that's what the committee wishes to do with this ordinance at this time. I mean, I think we should go ahead and I mean, if it's a sense of the committee to pass it to do that, but I would be interested in one, if it's ever been of use and two, if it hasn't, how do we make it useful? If that's okay with everybody. Any other comments, questions or discussion? All right, seeing none, all those in favor of approving this, please state aye. Aye. Aye. Anyone opposed? Chair votes aye, that is approved. All right, moving along, application, RO number 982021, submitting various license applications for the period ending June 30th, 2022, beverage operating license application number 3394, change of premise application number 3381. Staff recommendations are to recommend holding this for further review. Any commotion to hold? Second. Motion in second. Any further discussion? Barb? Ryan? Yep. I have a question for Thomas. I think if I'm correct that this has been like maybe the second third meeting yet for the Meyer store that they've held it, is there a reason? I believe the issue relates to the actual description of the premises and getting that sort of locked down. And while I don't want to speak for Meyer, I'm not sure that we didn't have an answer from them on Monday and given that Black Friday, I think it's still a pretty big thing in retail. Obviously nothing has come since then. I think it's just making sure that we've got a good understanding of their description of the premises, which wasn't present initially. So do they keep changing it or they don't know what the description? I mean, why does it keep getting bounced to the next meeting? My understanding is that the original, the original amended premises had a line and it was not a confined box. And we're waiting on them to provide the information to make it a confined box. Okay, thank you. Any other discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor of holding this, please stay die. Aye. Fine. Anyone opposed? Share votes aye. All right, RO number 106, 2021, spending various license applications for the period ending December 31st, 2021, in June 30th, 2022. Staff recommendations are holding this one as well for Leroy Ortega in the Taxi Cab driver's license application for Christopher Beniri, Judy Gordon, William Rohar. And granting the remaining applications and noting that the beverage operating license granted to Alexander Dean and Lisa Wyman will not be issued until they're dealt with the significant monies owed to the city. Is there a motion to accept staff recommendations? Don't move the set out by the chair. All right, motion second. Second by Betty. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor, please stay die. Aye. Anyone opposed? Share votes aye. That's approved. Next meeting, date December 16th. Seeing that we've exhausted the agenda as there's such motion to adjourn. So moved. Second. Motion by Maryland. Second by Dean. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Anyone opposed? Share votes aye. We're adjourned at 409. Thanks everyone and have a happy Thanksgiving.