 Coming up on DTNS, Facebook wants to change its name. Amazon's Just Walkout technology arrives at a concert venue, and is it smart for Steam to ban games with NFTs? This is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday, October 20th, 2021. It's my brother's birthday after birthday, Tim. In Los Angeles, I'm Tom Merritt. In Salt Lake City, I'm Scott Johnson. I'm the show's producer, Roger Chang. We were just talking about Grammar and my brother's birthday on Good Day Internet. Get that wider conversation. Become a member at Patreon.com slash DTNS, where you can join our top patrons like Irwin Sturr, Ken Hayes, Phillip Shane. Your name could be right there with them. Patreon.com slash DTNS. All right, folks, PayPal supposedly might buy Pinterest. If they actually do, we'll talk about it then. Meanwhile, let's start with a few tech things you should know. A preview version of the Windows subsystem for Android is available now in the Beta Channel. People have been very excited about this. Beta Channel Windows 11 plans to bring the preview to the dev channel down the road. But if you want to try it out, you'll need to set your Windows 11 beta to the US region and have a US-based Amazon App Store account, because that's how it gets the Android apps. Microsoft and Amazon have curated about 50 apps to start with, not a lot. That's just to put it to the test. So check it out now. Nikkei's sources say Oppo is developing its own chips for its flagship phones. The custom chips are targeted for release in 2023 or 2024. Oppo is the fourth largest smartphone maker in the world. Wow, I'm stunned. You know, sometimes at the grocery store, they have a lot of little bits of chicken left over so they make chicken salad. Here's Facebook salad. Several Facebook stories you should know about. The UK's competition and markets authority has fined Facebook approximately $69 million for consciously refusing, in their words, to report required information regarding its acquisition of Giffy. I thought maybe they were gonna find him $69 million for calling it Giffy, but that's not it. US officials announced Facebook has agreed to pay penalties of more than $14 million in a settlement with the Justice Department for failing to advertise at least 2,600 jobs to US citizens and instead offering those jobs to people the company was sponsoring for green cards. Not done yet, two more. Washington DC Attorney General Carl Racine said he has named Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg as a defendant in the district's lawsuit over the improper sharing of data with Cambridge Analytica by data scientist Alexander Kogan. And one thing that isn't happening to Facebook, the social network announced it will now demote content in groups by people who have violated its policies elsewhere on the platform. No, they didn't do that before, but now they will. That's a lot of Facebook. Real quick, just a note that I'm gonna read the following thing from a Brave browser, all right? Oh, very nice. The Brave browser has removed Google, Quant, and DuckDuckGo as its default search engines in various markets. New installations of the browser will use Brave's own search as its default. Brave search is built on an independent index and does not track users' searches or clicks. However, an ad-supported version of the service is coming soon. Yeah, I can tell. I can tell you were you were getting your facts off of an actual Brave browser. The U.S. Department of Commerce announced it will require companies to get a license from the Bureau of Industry and Security in order to export certain security software, particularly intrusion software to Russia and China. This extends existing rules to cover tools like Pegasus from the NSO group that don't involve encryption. Before, encryption-oriented products were banned now. Even if they don't have encryption, they still qualify for the ban. The rules do make an exemption for cyber defense purposes. They're gonna try to avoid inhibiting security research and collaboration. The new extension aligns U.S. security software rules with the 42 countries that are part of Europe's Lawsoner Agreement. All right, let's talk about Facebook's name chains. Verge has sources that say Facebook plans to announce a new company name next week, most likely during the annual Connect Conference on October 28th, although it could happen before that. Facebook, the social network, would supposedly stay called Facebook. We're not going crazy here. The parent company, which is Facebook, Inc., will get a new name in order to differentiate itself from the social network brand. Right now there's two logos. There's the blue Facebook logo for the social network platform, and there's a gray, boring one for the Inc. Well, they're just gonna change the whole name. Facebook, if you don't already know this, also owns Instagram, WhatsApp, Oculus, Novi Financial, Reality Labs, and a few more brands and divisions. Famously back in July, Mark Zuckerberg told the Verge that the company, quote, will effectively transition from people seeing us as primarily being a social media company to being a metaverse company. Facebook has been working hard to position itself as a leader in VR and AR. They mounts that plan to hire 10,000 people in Europe to work on metaverse-related projects. They promoted their head of AR and VR, Andrew Bosworth, to CTO. And the Verge notes, if you're wondering what they're gonna change the name to, that Facebook recently renamed its unreleased VR game, Horizon, to be called Horizon Worlds. Now, that on its own doesn't mean much, but they also demoed a version of their workplace software called Horizon Workrooms. So Verge is like, I don't know, maybe the new name of the company is gonna be Horizon or something around the word Horizon. I'm putting my cryptocurrency on them, changing the name to the Elbob Reif company. See what you've done. You know what? I think the Horizon's theory is pretty strong. I wanna give you, okay, here is Scott Johnson, the average consumer of some Facebook products as they currently stand. Here's my reaction to this possible news. And that is, oh, actually, great idea, Facebook. It would be good for you to change this because people look at Facebook in a very negative light these days. I do. So you're gonna help me with your other products by having a different name that I can associate with it. And I think this is cool. If you'd asked me about the Google alphabet switcheroo back in the day, I would have said the opposite. I would have said, I already know Google. Don't change the name. It makes sense that it's still Google. Alphabet's a dumb name. Why do we need to change it? And I think the reason was is I didn't have Google in the same doghouse as I have Facebook in right now. So I have to think this is, I could be wrong, but I think this is the primary reason they're doing it is there's a lot of negativity, unavoidable negativity around a social network of any kind. There'll always be that part of the discussion. And this is a chance for them to say, apart from that, we do all this and now we want to brand ourselves as such. Like I think it's probably the best thing they could do. Maybe the only thing they could do at this stage. I think it is a practical consideration. When alphabet became alphabet, the idea was very practical. It was, we want to separate the cost of everything that's not actually Google from the cost of Google so that we get a real ability to report Google's results and also have separate CEOs in charge of things like Waymo and Wing and have a company that isn't, that we don't have to keep saying, yeah, the company's called Google, but this has nothing to do with Google. This is an entirely separate project that we're doing. And I think Facebook has a little bit of that too. I don't think Facebook believes that everyone's going to turn around and start loving Oculus tomorrow if they change the name of the parent company to Facebook. They're not crazy, but it does make it easier for them to talk about things and makes it easier for us to talk about things if, let's say they call it Horizon, you say Horizon-owned Oculus, which requires a Facebook login or whatever, right? It makes it easier for them to say, yeah, this is not a part of our company that's doing the same things as the social network. And I think it's easy to overreact and be like, wow, that's not really going to change anything. There's still Facebook under all, and yes, absolutely. But it will frame things differently. And so I think that's probably why they're doing it. Yeah, I also think there's an investor angle to this that makes things a little more palatable when you start spreading it like that and have a parent company. So we'll see how it goes. Speaking of Alphabet, let's just roll right into them. This wasn't planned at all. This is crazy. Alphabet's Wing company has expanded its drone delivery service. It's going to go into Texas. Yeah, that's right. Folks in the Dallas suburbs of Frisco and Little Elm can get packages delivered by Wing from nearby Walgreen stores. So I don't know, prescriptions, candy. That's about all I get from there. But anyway, lots more things, obviously. Wing already operates drone delivery in Christenburg, Virginia. That's a less populated area. So moving out there is a bit of a growth. Test flights begin in Texas next week and commercial service is expected to begin in the coming months. So if you've got some, you know, Walgreens needs, it sounds like Wing has you covered. Yeah, if you live in Frisco and Little Elm, this is good, though. This is them saying, we want to try a denser urban area. We want to expand this. We want to make this work. And they're among dozens of companies, maybe even hundreds of companies out there delivering this. The one that's been doing this the longest is Zipline, most famously in Irwanda. They've been delivering medical supplies there, you know, across mountainous terrain for more than a decade now. But we really haven't seen this in urban areas. So this is an important milestone to see one of these companies say, let's try it in the suburbs. So in a big metro area like Dallas, Fort Worth, if you're not familiar, it's, you know, it's among the top 10 metro areas in the United States. So it's a populated area. But of course, they're going to limit that test. They're not going to do the entire DFW area to start with. They're going to start small, but that's how it happens. Now, the question is, will they run into too many problems? They're going to do this test and ask the community for feedback around it. Maybe they never do get to launch the commercial service if they have too many problems, or maybe it all goes well. And people in Frisco are ordering their M&M's from Walgreens to be delivered by drone. I do look forward to the day when these services start to grow to the point that, you know, they have successful tests in these test markets and they can start to support other stores. Because what I would like to do, and I'm not kidding about this, I really want to do this. My first drone delivery. I want to be a drone. So I want to buy like a drone, you know? But I want a drone to bring the drone to bring the drone, which would be in a box. Yeah. I just need to do that before I die. That's a bucket list. They sell little mini drones at Walgreens. Yeah. So if they've got them at Walgreens, and if I lived in Texas or these Virginia locations, I'd be all set. Yeah, I'm all set. I was really disappointed. My nephew lives in Canberra, Australia, and they're doing burrito deliveries in Canberra from a burrito restaurant, but not in his neighborhood. Oh, man. Think of the data you could get if you just had one family member getting burritos by the air. That'd be amazing. Perfect for DTS. Burritos by air. The future is now. Well, let's move on. We've got a trifecta of big tech announcements concluding Wednesday. I don't know if you guys noticed there was a lot this week with a Samsung Galaxy unpacked event, and it wasn't all software as some people named Tom. I won't say last names may be expected. Here's what we got. First of all, we got the Maison Katsune. This is a brand fashion brand. A lot of you are probably familiar with. They have a very cute box face for a logo. You can now get a Galaxy Watch 4 and Galaxy Buds 2 with the Fox on those. That is going to matter to a whole bunch of people that aren't me, but I'm excited for you. Okay, I really am. Second, there was a Samsung Galaxy Z Flip 3 Bespoke Edition. Hopefully it won't be an addiction. That lets you customize the color of the back and front of the phone with supposedly 49 different color combinations that will be available at least at the beginning. The frame is limited to black or silver though. Costs $100 more than the regular Flip 3 to get those custom colors. So be prepared for that. And if you change your mind later, you can swap to a new color with something called Bespoke Upgrade Care Service starting at $79. And that will happen in November. Finally, the Galaxy Watch 4 also. Oh, go ahead. No, I was just going to say they should have named it the Bespoke Artisan Upgrade Care Service. That's better. That's better. Upgrade Care Service. I don't think my car is getting new tires, but whatever. Finally, the Galaxy Watch 4 also got Bespoke Options, but the bigger news here is an update to Wear OS and now offers fall detection. So this is good news for me lately and a knock-knock gesture to launch a pre-selected app. Yeah, they got some new watch faces and live wallpaper and stuff like that. Honestly, the one that's going to affect the most people is probably the Wear OS update because there's a good number of Watch 4 users out there and this is bringing Wear OS up to par with the Galaxy Watch 3, which was based on Samsung's Tizen operating system and Galaxy Watch 4 is based on Wear OS. So the things like fall detection were available to the Galaxy Watch 3 but not to the Watch 4. So filling in some gaps there. Although on the most part, Wear OS is more functional than the old version based on Tizen, the Bespoke Edition thing is interesting. I don't know that that gooses a lot of sales of the Flip 3 but I think it's an interesting way of doing things and maybe they do it on the Flip 3 to limit how often they have to do it and it's a bit of a test. But the idea that you can not just pick from four colors but pick from 49 different color combinations, I think for some people it's pretty exciting, right? Because they consider their phone to be as much of fashion advice as it is a practical thing. I completely agree. Like there certainly, well, there's no limit to various brands trying to lean into customization and or color combinations or whatever. It's long been, I think an important part of phone ownership is to be able to choose from more than just two or one. And every time colors come out for a product on like a Monday's Apple announcement, those mini, what are they called? I forgot already. The mini music balls, whatever they're called, can they get the name? Anyway, those things coming out in additional colors, I usually kind of smirk and go, oh, that's a real innovation, guys. You got a different Pantone color to choose from, neat. But at the end of the day, HomePod, HomePod, jeez. How could I not remember HomePod? I don't know. Music balls, you know how that's the better term, which they should have gone with that. But point being, that kind of choice is clearly stuff customers like. I like to be able to choose from a number of colors. And I like to know that, you know, they, I like to know that there are more options than that. 100 bucks for a, you know, an extra color on the back or front. I don't know how I feel about that, but there are going to be some people who are over the moon. So good for them. Yeah. Good stuff. All right. So big announcement week, finally concluded folks, we have another companion series here. If you're a patron, you get these episodes. But if you're not, go check out know a little more at know a little more.com. I dig deep into big tech topics. Sometimes I'll bring on an expert like I did with Stacey Higginbotham to talk about the matter system for smart homes. Sometimes I just dive in deep and explain something like I did last week with RCS. This week's episode is the perfect companion for Molly Woods. How we survive, how we survive is all about batteries. And this week on know a little more, I'll be digging deep into lithium ion batteries. Why they're the battery of choice? How they work kind of a little bit about how batteries work in general. So check that out before it comes out. Know a little more dot com. You may not like or even understand NFTs, but lots of people do and it's become a thing. Quick catch up NFT stands for non fungible token. It's a cryptographic way to make a record that is very hard to change. Not a not an album. I mean, like a record of something like Scott owes me money or Scott owns my picture of a fox. Non fungible means that it's unique. So Bitcoin tokens are not unique. Each Bitcoin is pretty much identical to another just like a dollar bill is exactly identical to another dollar bill. NFTs say, ah, this thing that we recorded is different than any other. It's unique. It's most frequently used to show ownership of a digital item, but keep in mind, it's not copy protection. Just a recording of who owns something or or a fact for more on how that actually works. If you're like, how can you keep that from just being copied or faked? Check out our episode of know a little more on blockchain that we put out earlier. So if you have a digital item that we can say belongs to you, is that worth anything beyond bragging rights? Well, for some, that's enough. There's a lot of people doing that. But another nascent use is a game. If I own the sword with plus 50 damage, a game could use NFTs to respect that and only allow me to wield it in the game. They check the NFTs. Ah, that's Tom. He gets to use that sword. It allows me to sell that sword or give it away to someone else and still have only one version of it in the game. For instance, the loot project is one example of a project that's doing that. Last Friday, the news broke that Valve had added a rule to its list of what you shouldn't publish on Steam that prohibits and I quote applications built on blockchain technology that issue or allow exchange of cryptocurrencies or NFTs, specifically NFTs. Now, Space Pirate Games, the developer of the game Age of Rust pointed it out on Twitter saying they had been in good communication with Steam about this and they understand why Steam is doing it. Steam says they don't want games on the platform where the in-game item has real world value. That has caused problems on others. Now, granted, there are things that have a real world value because people assign them to them, but NFTs particularly intentionally have a value. It's different than a CS go item. Epic Games on the other hand told Verge that its quote open the games that support cryptocurrency or blockchain based assets on its game store. A seemingly logical thing to do for Epic, a competitor of Valve to say Epic said games would have to comply with financial laws, be clear how the blockchain is used in the game and have proper age ratings, but they're thinking about it. Epic would not let developers use its payment system to accept crypto and they have to be another way of you getting the NFTs. Epic's self publishing system right now is enclosed beta, so we don't know what the real world impact of this is yet. And keep in mind that back on September 27th, Epic CEO Tim Sweeney said on Twitter, quote, we aren't touching NFTs as the whole field is currently tangled up with an intractable mix of scams, interesting decentralized tech foundations and scams. He said scams twice on purpose. So I guess this means that NFTs won't be banned from Epic because they'd like all those games that are getting kicked off of steam to come over to Epic, but Epic itself won't put NFTs in its games. Anyway, the upshot is blockchain, NFT and gaming, they're all hot buzzwords that combined will give you plus five funding when rolling venture capital. So the question is who wants this and who will try it? Are there better ways to do scarcity in games? There are other ways. Well, this just end up crashing and burning with a series of games that let the person with the most money win because they can buy all the cool NFTs. Casey Newton at the Verge points out in a column today that this idea of unique items being traded in a virtual world like a game sits squarely in a well-funded buzzword called the metaverse. I mentioned that regarding Facebook earlier. Being able to own a thing in the metaverse, a virtual world is kind of fundamental to that. So Scott, is Valve making a horrible mistake by kicking NFTs off of steam or is this the Diablo auction house all over again? I'm so glad you brought up that Diablo auction house. It was an example of not NFTs, obviously. We weren't there yet, but in 2012 when that game launched, the real money auction house allowed you to go into basically an auction house storefront and purchase items from other players. And the way it was non-fungible quote-unquote because it wasn't, but the way it was was they were tied to your account through your Blizzard account. And when you sold those items, the transfer of that item would go to whoever bought it from you and now they own it. Blizzard would take a cut and you would get a cut and that was the transaction. It was horribly received by players who felt like the system diminished the gameplay experience and the earning of items in game and instead put a focus on this weird outside seller's market which is why they dropped it in pretty quick time. So all of that being said, do I think they're making a mistake? No, because I don't think the time is right yet. I think there will come a time where this is the norm and by norm I don't mean that somebody somewhere is making way too much money on a sword they sold. What I mean is I can picture a time, metaverse games wherever where a developer has a game and there are swords in it. We'll stay with the sword analogy because it's a good one loot of value in a video game and the game makers themselves say, well, this sword of destiny to borrow a term from another thing is really cool and it's the only one that exists and only you can have it and there's a 0.5% chance it'll ever drop for you in the world and that's it. There isn't a store to buy it. There isn't a place to get it. It's just there and what happens is the thing dropped for you. You got lucky on a Saturday afternoon and the only one ever dropped and it was you who got it. Now you own it. There is an NFT that says you own it. No money had to transact, but the record is there. That's the kind of future I want to see with NFT in games not just another money revenue channel but like how interesting it is that you in this vast world you're playing and are the only one with the sword of destiny. That's a huge concept and very cool. But it's when it gets tied up when who gets what money and how are you going to pay for it and do you have crypto? Can we do dollars to crypto conversion on your store? Like all of that stuff may or may not come but I don't think that's what gamers care about at all. I think what they care about is scarcity in a more pure game sense that you're going to get an item and it's yours. I think it's just too early and Steam can very easily wait until NFTs have worked out the scam, other thing, scam problem that Tim Sweeney so accurately pointed out because I do believe that NFTs will shake all of that stuff out and we will find a useful thing for them. Now maybe it won't end up being that useful for games. Maybe we'll find out that there's problems with it or there's a way better way to manage scarcity across platforms. I think there is an advantage to having a platform for scarcity that you don't have to build every time any object-oriented programmer knows this. Like it's way better to take a really useful piece of code and just use it than have to go from scratch every time. So if NFTs prove themselves to be good at this then yeah, why not take it? But maybe somebody will come up with a better way of doing this because they're inspired by it. I don't know. However, if NFTs shake off all the scams if it proves to be a pretty reliable and good way to do item scarcity then I think Steam changes their mind down the road. There's no reason they can't and say like, oh, now that NFTs are not, you know, scam-ridden anymore and now we know how to shake out the scams we'll allow them into the stores again. Yeah, because honestly the whole foundation of Steam used to be a scam, a place that claimed to be a place you hold all your video games and buy and send us money and we'll take a chunk of it and then you'll just only have it digitally and not physically. These were all scam-ridden at one point, these ideas. Yeah. So their very founding is based on a previously sketchy thing Apple and their music. You could look at a million examples. Yeah, yeah. This is a case where I do think it's just not time yet and when the time's right, of course they'll do it. I think Epic's being a little cheeky here, if I'm honest. They're not really doing anything. They're just saying, we're open, unlike our competitor, but it doesn't mean anything. We're not going to see anything right away. So yeah, give it some time. They'll all be doing it. Email itself is scam-ridden. Yeah. But we still use it. We figured it out. We figured out how to use it. All right. Snob OS's Nika Monford is back to spotlight a black tech entrepreneur who made her name developing FinTech to help the unbanked and underbanked. Hi, this is Nika Monford of the Snob OS show with another episode of Teching While Black. In this segment, I bring awareness to an innovative black leader in technology. This week's spotlight is on Sheena Allen, CEO and founder of Sheena Allen Apps and Capway. Hailing from Terry, Mississippi, she is a serial entrepreneur and FinTech leader and graduate of the University of Southern Mississippi. In 2011, she created her first company, Sheena Allen Apps, that included a suite of five separate apps, which she bootstrapped to ultimately garner millions of downloads. In 2016, she had an idea that would organize money and spending. This idea eventually became Capway, which is an FDIC approved financial service provider with the core service of mobile banking. Capway's goal is to fill financial gaps and create financial access and opportunities for those who have been underserved and overlooked by the traditional financial system, including individuals who are unbanked and underbanked. Her work with Capway has earned her the title holder as the youngest female in America to own and operate a digital bank. Additionally, Sheena has been featured in various publications, including Ink Magazine, Essence and Black Enterprise. Now, Sheena has been on essentially every influential 30 under 30 list, including Business Insider, Forbes and Ink Magazine. Also, she was on the Ink Magazine Female Founders 100 list. Needless to say, she is definitely one to watch. To find out more about Sheena Allen and her work, you can follow her on Twitter at WhoIsSheena and at SheenaAllen.com and Capway.com. Join me next time as I highlight another Black Tech innovator. When we are aware of all innovative voices, especially those in underrepresented groups, the tech community thrives. Thank you, Nika. I mean, that is one impressive person. And we've got links. If you want to find out more about Sheena Allen in the show notes, SheenaAllen.com, Twitter.com slash WhoIsSheena. Thank you, Nika. Los Angeles' fabulous forum is an older arena that was remodeled in the mid teens, the 20 teens, not the 19 teens, and purchased in March 2020 by Los Angeles Clippers owner Steve Ballmer. Yeah, that Ballmer, the former CEO of Microsoft, owns a team with a nickname Dangerously Close to Clippy. And the forum was the site this week of not only an Eagles concert, for real, but also a stadium concession stand using Amazon's Just Walkout technology. Unlike most concession stands, you don't have to stand awkwardly in the walkway waiting behind 12 other people to get a hot dog. With this one, you use a credit card to get into the concession area, then just grab whatever you want, walk out, and you're done. The forum will not be installing more of these. There's just the one down by the stage because it's costly to retrofit, but it's meant as a test run for their installation in the new Intuit Dome being built from scratch to open in 2024 and become the new home of the Clippers. Yeah, 100% behind this idea of bringing it outside of the Amazon closed in sort of ecosphere of, you know, their stores and stores they own into broader places. I think a place like this is a great idea. Any kind of sports arenas. I think Comic-Cons. Imagine this sort of thing happening anywhere where you need to just go in, browse for a thing, and get out of there without huge lines and, you know, nightmare checkout scenarios. So I've never been more for an emerging tech than this. I love this. And I know I, among other people, have been wondering like, okay, Amazon's cool, nifty walkout tech. That's great. Amazon makes it work. Is anybody else going to adopt this? Can it work without Amazon, you know, juke in the system to make it work for them? Apparently, yes. Here's an example at the fabulous forum. I just think it's still, to this day, we'll say it's still dangerous for them to call that just walk out given some of the issues they've had in their warehouses. So I'm just saying Amazon, your naming convention here is maybe just a little on the nose. You might want to rethink it. Just saying. Hey, real quickly, thanks to VJ who sent us some recommendations for third-party MagSafe-like cables that you could use on a Windows PC. I did forward those on to Aussie Nick. Thank you, VJ, for that. Keep those emails coming. Feedback at DailyTechNewsShow.com. Thanks to our brand-new bosses, Christopher Masterson and Jason, who just started back at us on Patreon. 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