 Hey kids, it's time for voiceover body shop and we are so glad to have you with us tonight because we have a great guest It's Pat Fraley. Oh Me yeah you exactly yes I'm here. All right, and George and I are here and you're here And we'd love to get your questions into our Facebook chat room So go in there and ask your questions of Pat Fraley or if you got tech questions or any of that stuff, right George? Please give us your content. So we have some all right voice over body shop with Pat Fraley coming up right now From the outer reaches they came Bearing the knowledge of what it takes to properly record your voice over audio and Together from the center of the VO universe. They bring it to you now George Whidham the engineer to the VO stars of Virginia Tech Grand With the skills to build set up and maintain the professional VO studios of the biggest names in VO today and you Dan Leonard the voiceover home studio master a professional voice down with the knowledge and experience To help you create a professional sounding home VO studio And each week they allow you into their world bringing you talks with the biggest names in the voice of a world today Letting you ask your questions and giving you the latest information to make the most of your voice over business Welcome to voice over body shop Voice over body shop is brought to you by voice over essentials.com home of Harlan Hogan signature products source elements remote studio connections for everyone voice actor websites.com where your VO website isn't a pain in the butt VOheroes.com become a hero to your clients with award-winning voice over training JMC demos when quality matters and voiceover extra your daily resource for VO success and now Live to drive from their super secret clubhouse and studio in Sherman Oaks, California Here are the guys Well hey there, I'm Dan Leonard and I'm George Whidham And this is voiceover body shop or VO This all right Well, we're still stuck at home here for another month But the other day I got so tired of being in the house. I figured I'm gonna get in my car and I'm gonna go visit George And you know, I haven't seen you know I'm just stuck with my family here for weeks and weeks so I drive you know up there through to Panky Canyon go down the Bob's lead run to his house and What what did we start talking about? Well, how are you making your mask? Exactly that the mass conversations begin and I just finished dig I've just just finished backfilling the ruts from the mud from where you parked when you were here. Oh My gosh. Yeah, no, it was nice to have a visitor. It's pretty unusual right now It's actually always unusual to have a visitor where I live But that was particularly unusual, but it was fun. I got some things to show off like tonight I got the Dan dropped off the vanguard before so I'll be using that Mike tonight and It was it was fun to right to meet in the flesh from six feet away Yeah, well, we did give each other the Wuhan shake, you know with you just use your foot the football. Yeah But that was fun. It was good to see you well it's good to see all of you out there and We're here to help you with your voiceover career and your home studio and all that kind of stuff and Pat Fraley will join us in just a second But if you've got a question for George or I or for Pat Fraley who will probably leave you asking lots of questions like What was that all about? And we can he can answer those questions a little bit later on the show And if you want to give a question or ask a question go into our Facebook group where you're watching it right now and You can ask that question Right there right now Anyway, it's time to introduce our guest who is joining us from somewhere in Hollywood You know, I he could be out on the street somewhere But joining us is somebody who has been at this business for a long time a great voice-over Educator a man of a thousand voices and a pretty nice guy Pat Fraley. Pat. How you doing? Where you're over here? I'm under an old underpass Oh five. He's a little cold, but I'm alright Excellent well welcome welcome to voiceover body shop now we were officially what are we officially referring to my George? He's first I wanted to call Pat guest to zero right because he was like one of the very if not the First guests of our show ever nine years ago. I called in I know it wasn't the first But I called in that day of that because I heard it out in the bunkhouse where I used to live And I went well, I'll give him a call and you actually put me on For quite a long time. Yeah Because you I guess he had something to say back then You know, I've always had something to say. I'm Irish writing is hard Speaking is easy I Would think so so how has the stay-at-home situation affected Pat Fraley so far Not at all. I Mean, I've been at home my entire career. I Mean, you know, oh, yeah I'm the poster boy for wanting to leave the house and I'd be in studios and stuff But it's not the challenge it is for many of us out there And I think that I can see the the faces people are going through through social media and stuff Which is anger? Humor fear depression and I just wanted to say one thing very quickly is that if you're not doing anything That's probably fine It's probably what you should be doing and the difference is what you filled your life with it So if you're sitting around going, what was I what am I now? Where am I going? It's okay It's bound to be depressing because Most of us are I mean we go what is this it is all I got but that's okay There are other things you can do and we'll get to that So so what have you been doing? Have you done anything different though to fill your down? Yeah Well, besides like cleaning the grout, right? Well, I went through all my free lessons on my website and On SoundCloud because we're at stage where we have to have things free for people because a We don't if we have money we can't spend it and be if we have a little we don't want to spend it We don't know what's gonna happen And so that free things have to be available plus they're encouraging and then I've also been of course teaching my home study courses I've got about 30 of them. So I have a lot of students around the world and so I'm home Making comments. So that's about it. How about you? Are you been out and about at all? well, just just to go see George the other day other than that it's It's hanging out in the living room watching a lot of TV and You know and hanging out out here and talking to lots of people all over the place And it's actually good to connect with people because everybody's having these these you know these coffee hangouts Like right, you know, which which are fun actually because people I have seen for eons Well, it's a unique experience for all of us to take a respite and go what's going on and by the way You'd always remind today. I've got hold of Phil Proctor, and I told him a story that is sort of germane to this era You know Lisa Ferris my assistant told me this about her grandmother when she was alive And she said that every morning her grandmother would wake up and make a to-do list for the day and Then she'd check everything off because she'd already done everything And I think that's such a good idea because Anytime we're disappointed and get down is because of Expectations not met. Well all the expectations are from ourselves So better to turn the television on and get old for toots. That's Yiddish by the way Notice that Shutter yeah, so for those of you who go out there who don't know Pat Perhaps I should ask him give us, you know the the reader's digest version of who you are and how you've gotten to where you are at this particular point Okay, you're originally from Seattle, right? Yes When I was four years old, I started doing what I do now Sometime along the way I started stopped paying and they started paying me and What I do is perform and teach. I was the kid that was next door and liked to play army And they loved to kill me because I was so good at dying. I I'd fall out and go Foam and they go they go. Oh, yeah, it's cool. I go, okay Here's how you do it you foam on little and say ah fun Lieber and that's good and aren't you back? So it's the same thing. I Literally have done the same thing. I when everybody wanted to be a fireman or a Pilot or an astronaut. I just want to be in performer and that's what I went about doing my entire life So how did you drag you to voiceover you did you do theater or did you do on screen and how did you find? Good question. I was a big white guy in Seattle and the only time then was to go to theater for for me So I went through theater all the way through got a masters fine arts at Cornell Emigrating Australia started doing Shakespeare and then I bumped into voices. They didn't have a term for it then this is the mid 70s and I was doing Shakespeare, you know, and I went in to do some kind of you know rat dog or something and They pay me the same as they paid Shakespeare for the week for a one session, which I liked a lot and Where I left they went, oh, we like you and I went why I told you so big we can't get the other actors to be that big Well, that was it Within years. I went directly toward Hanna-Barbera because I was always good at being big characters And I never have thought of doing voices. I always think of them as characters and The modicum of success I've earned as a performer has to do with cheating I could do the funny voices, but I Yeah, that was one of the things I was gonna ask you a little bit later on but I guess we'll we'll sort of circle back to that and The thing is is that people think that just being able to do funny voices is What voice acting is all about and it's not just the ability to do Character voices. It's got to be more that that you can maintain that and act with that voice, right? Yeah, well, let me demonstrate it. Okay Say I've got a character named Eddie graffiti And that a graffiti is like a Joe Pash. She's quiet. He's a little he's from New York, but doesn't live there So, okay, I do this voice. Hey, how you doing? It's good to see you then although I'm too big right now But okay, so that's a funny voice, right? But there's no acting So what if I do this? Hey How you doing? Um, I don't want a body on this but I was thinking maybe if I if I don't I should probably kill you You know, here's what I'm doing my motivation for Eddie is he's gone to prison or he's been Sequestered and he doesn't want to go back again. So he's very careful about lying That's it. Yep acting So acting so what happens is doing funny voices is very important It's like when we see I'm trying to figure something Daffy duck when I I work with no blank right back in the day I Love Daffy duck set that high lateral left. Oh, I loved it. It dazzled me That's the form the high voice that lateral list that then when I got in the studio with them I heard or I felt how vain and arrogant he was When he portrayed Daffy, that's the content. That's the acting So we're dazzled. It's the forgive this old PC or un-PC way of putting it, but that's the blonde in the room Which usually meant she got the attention the brunette may be more attracted, but yeah brunette No form dazzle Right content interior excellent Well, our guest tonight is or this afternoon or whatever time it is wherever you are Uh, is pat fraley who is uh, well known voiceover educator and character voice actor and We're glad to have him and if you've got a question form through it in the chat room So we can ask him that question in just a little bit So We've seen this huge increase in the numbers of voice talents Explode in the last few years And I'm gonna throw this out. It's just a real general question But what advice do you have for the last few years? I have a question for you. So I'm going to throw this out. It's just a real general question And I'm going to throw this out. It's just a real general question But what advice do you have to people who think this is a good career choice? Well, that's a two things come to mind Um, someone said if you can do anything else besides perform do Yeah, but putting that aside and say you just have to be a performer as I did Then there's a lot of competition And the perverse part is that casting and producers and directing people They want bold confident aggressive people Good luck They got stuck with us performers the good because Dan george, I'm not bold. I'm not confident I'm not aggressive but I'm playful and we're all playful and you know Rejection it means nothing to me. I mean I eat that for For cereal with sugar on it. I mean I got over that years ago. So I don't care You know, I always tell myself and I'll tell all of you Why not they're already not casting you So you need to be aggressive certainly with auditions and work You never hear any stories about anyone and I've never met anyone that's successful at what we do That hasn't broken rules That's what we do. We do things wrong And that's what they want. They don't want the best because anytime you give a human being a choice of three things They won't go for the best. They go for good and different And that's what I am. I'm good and I'm beyond good And that's another thing and I'll give me 30 seconds There's a whole bunch of good people out there There's lots of good people. Let's call good 80 percent Excellent is 90 It's it's a little above good But that's why we know how to pronounce Zellweger and Malkovich They're excellent and finally good Need to be sold over and over again excellence sells itself Good point Why do you think that people don't get that voice acting is Acting I mean that we get so many people saying, well, I can just I can just read this stuff and and things like that And that's when we usually run into people who are voice over acting Well, I'll tell you why is because people that don't understand the acting is important uh, look at what dazzles the public and the audience and that's The exhaust fumes of actors or performers and that is emotions And so they go for playing emotions Like of example, uh, say I've got a line like, uh, I told you scrawls to get out of here Now it says on the script angry. So let me play that angry I told you scrawls to get out of here Now here's me playing an action That's an acting term And my objective is to irritate the person I'm talking to or diminish them. So I'm gonna play an action to diminish them I told you scrawls to get out of here Once again, I told you scrawls to get out of here Now what you get is me angry, but you get it more specific And it is a little bit quieter as good acting usually is Good. So that's why People don't get that, you know, I mean we hear from people all the time that it's like, well I want to be a voice actor if you want to be an actor and I just and I discovered this and going to a few You know actual on-screen auditions. It's got to be in your gallbladder to want to do this. This is It's well that that goes back to the yeah, that goes back to do anything But this but if you're stuck with being an actor by the way, you don't need training to be a good actor What you need is a heart for the other player You need to be able to in your mind said I'm going to affect The other person or the audience or whomever you're dealing with That's the difference right there. So if you got that you're on you're in You're holding yourself in good stead I think just doesn't want to be caught You know Right, that's the difference when Eddie is being Eddie and without anything on me. Yeah All right And that's why a lot a lot of coaches talk about doing improv and stuff like that because that's really really important for learning how to Listen to other people and re-smart them Dan you're so correct and the big problem is that we Align improv with comedy. I mean when I see who's lines at anywhere, which is in reviews now I just want to go out and sell shoes Those guys are so good Robin Williams Jim Carrey But that's comedy true improv isn't comedy It's using your own words because the assumption that sanny mysner made and people that The yellow spool and people that taught improv early was that your words are easier to say than other people's All right. Once again, our guest is pat fraily. We're talking about learning how to be a better voice actor And again, if you got a question throw it in the chat room You have a pile of courses you were mentioning earlier that you have like over 30 courses some of which I've actually taken Um, and you know, you've got you know everything from character voices audiobook narration and commercial copy What does it take because? I've worked with a lot of coaches. What do you think it takes for to teach this properly? What makes a good voiceover coach? I don't know about a coach. I'm a teacher or a coach. Yeah A coach teaches specific skills That address the discipline a teacher teaches non-specific skills All a few specifics You know thrown in there but that's the difference and I think what makes a good teacher is to be in the learning business not the teaching business It's not about my attitude. I love teaching. It's not about me aggrandizing myself and being better than my My teacher my students. It's about me seeing them learn. It's another way of hiding Dan Because what I do is when I watch Nancy Cartwright or another private student like Brad Garrett or I see my work in their work. Now. I'm never gonna be You know Nancy Cartwright or Brad I'll never be Her age or his height certainly, but I get to hide and go. Yeah Oh, yeah, I taught them that so that that kind of makes a good teacher as far as what I teach Uh, they cost money and these days Things have to be Free as well Some people have the money some people don't some people have money. They don't want to spend it We don't know what's gonna go on So I do have free free stuff when you want to hear about that fast. You have to give me 30 seconds though Alrighty Okay, so let's go back to character voices for a second here Because you know, so you were saying earlier, it's a matter of you know, making able to maintain a character How do you create a character? What's what's what's your process for if we're doing that sort of thing? Okay, there's two different process I usually start with the form the outside just like Uh, Robert De Niro starts with uh a hat Dusty Hoffman shoes Michael Meyer that's outside in so you start outside. You know, I thought Robert De Niro would have started the inside out, but he doesn't So I start with the sound so Um, I'll use that example of a hater graffiti. He was that was a producer who owed me money His name was Jim towery And so I said well, he won't pay me so I'll do his voice for years and make a lot of money of it Haha Well or a crane Well, just think of the outside. Well, wouldn't it wonderful? Well, it's strange. It's a very odd thing And then what happens is god gave me a gift of being able to play these big characters and fill them That's the acting the form part, but Most people don't start that way or could do a the inside out And here's a a brief Example say I'm doing a professor who's a big large Indian man Indian Indian and he has a line like When I told you we would not study the civil war in this class. I said I meant we would not study the civil war well for me The dangers I start with the form so he's big and he's Indian So I've got that done and so I do the line with a kind of Arrogance like when I told you we were not going to study the civil war. Let me see I meant we were not going to suffer started studying the civil war. Well, that's just general, but when I think about how pat fraily diminishes people I kind of get patronizing and make other people think that they might be not as bright as I am So if I take me Because you always have to have to have a little bit of truth in everything and I put on the form slowly Well, it starts with me patronizing dan lennard because you don't know really what you're doing And then I lowered the voice and I add the dialect and then I'm ready to say when I told you We would not study the civil war in this class music. I meant we would not study the civil war You see how it's got the form, but now it's got some out life. That's it But personally again, I go from the outside but try to rain myself back from jumping Makes you kind of like go full throttle and then you you you rain it back So it starts to feel real, right? Right, George because I'm like every other actor I just want to paint the picture But I have to rain myself back and go where's the inside because you know, we have this garden of deception And inside like any good con artist you have one seed of truth So you have somewhere to point when you get caught. No, see I'm being honest Well, that's the same thing as performing. We have this huge garden that we Plant and grow but one little teeny thing. It has to be true about everything you do Just like when when I did Crane This whole sound of talking backward like this talking backward. I learned in the fourth grade come on But when I broke when I auditioned for the role I remembered that when I got mad at my boys and and Renee and I had four boys in five years So they were everywhere, you know, it was like a casting call for the village of the dam. They had no features I mean, we had them so fast, right? You know, and so, uh, I would get mad at one of them. I go pappy. What do you do? And I'd get hardburn Well hardburn you can't do you know all the time. I mean perform it because it's a it's a burp sort of right But I I could do that Well, I knew that wouldn't give me time. So I decided to talk certain words backwards So I go fine. This is what I get for surrounding myself with And so that aspect of it came from my the truths Plus you'll love this dan If you scrape off all of this the stuff I do is crank you get a jewish mother who's always fun Like this, I'll do it. What's cranking the without? So this is what I get for surrounding my job with Right, so this is what I got for surrounding myself with idiots But nobody knew It works so much crap on top of it Yeah, well, it's it and learning those layers is is really really important Once again pat fraily is our guest if you got a question Hey, how often do you get a chance to talk to pat fraily in real time? Ask your questions in the the facebook chat and we'll be happy to have him answer that um One of the courses you teach is in audiobooks and I know we have a lot of a lot of audiobook narrators that tune into this show Uh, and I think I I think I took million dollar read. Is that the name of that course? It's a long time ago. Oh, it was and it's a book but I but scott brick who's a great narrator and I teach to get We've talked together 10 years and we have something called an audiobook major which is five courses That are offered with a certificate of completion. It's a big thing But I teach all sorts of 300 dollar ones which are now 250 right now If you've mentioned this program And audiobook narration audiobooks curiously enough is one of the few genres of voice over that's not being affected Why no auditions or their mp3 auditions? Audible is like a monopoly It doesn't slow down writers. They're at home anyway And so they can go we can record at home and get it up and be paid So it's not bothered to the extent of video games animation adr all the other genres So it's a pleasure and you know what? It's the it's the ballet of voice over It is much as like when I took acting I took ballet. It's not like I wanted to be a ballerina Honestly, it was more like why how can you get a blister there? You know, but I found that I could open doors more efficiently It made me articulate Physically and I think audit if you do an audiobook man, can you do any other genre? You're doing characters. You're flip-flopping. You know, I did hockfin. I had 91 characters and 34 dialects A workout. Geez. Yeah. How long did it take you to do that one? Well, I have a reading disorder and have had all my life So I had to produce everything I've done darn near I took two and a half months in the studio When I pulled that to the publisher She she was so upset. She said don't talk to me. Don't tell me that But that but I made money on it. See that was the other thing I had to make a circumstance to go in and do only two hours at a time because I'm hopeless and I got a reputation by hiding that And after about 10 or 15 years in Los Angeles, I finally said look I can't finish the sentence while I'm making a mistake. What do you do fire me? No, but I hit it once again, our guest is pat fraley and Time to ask your questions We're going to take a quick break here and we'll be right back with him and your questions here on voiceover body shop right after this Now reader from jane the virgin anthony mendez and you're enjoying dan and george on the voiceover body shop Well, hello there I bet you weren't expecting to hear some big voiced announcer guy on your new orientation training for snapchat. Were you? This is virgin radio. Well, okay. We're not that innocent. There's genes for wearing and there's genes for working Dickies because I ain't here to look pretty. 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I think maybe we should carry on with that one a little bit Okay, uh about microphone technique Because well, I've seen you do things with you know microphone technique and people don't a lot of people don't seem to understand That it's like a human ear And you don't you don't you can work the mic, but there's more to it than that. I mean create a dimension with it There's a couple things first of all if you're audio only like with a radio commercial or something an audition especially You can use mic technique when you get the job for animation video game A little bit, uh, you can do on audiobooks not a lot. You can't do a lot But look this, you know, bye Barbara. I hate her Or how about this? AT&T reach out and touch someone Now you hear the touch was a little quieter and closer That's why when you get closer to the mic you build up what's called proximity effect and it fattens the bass signal And you don't get caught So there's things you can do and you and you know how you learn you mess around at home Go out and play and also by the way in audiobooks um, listen to this He walked in room and talked to Barbara He was thinking she looks beautiful I don't know what to say He turned away and said Uh hi See the convention for thinking is getting quieter But it shapes what the author has written Yeah, that inner voice sound it sounds more Familiar when it's kind of warmer and it sounds warmer when you get a little bit closer That's correct. Not only is it quieter, but it's a little warmer because of what I mentioned the proximity effect Right. I think you boys would love that. Yeah, that word explaining the physics to it is a little more difficult But we we teach the rules right like, you know start far away and all this kind of stuff And once you really learn the rules And you know how to get really great sound then you can start really playing with it and start By the way, you know, he got a starting right spot There was an engineer at hannah barbera that swore that every time Mel blank came in he would do this with a mic right To get to distance Why because sometimes you know back in the day they used to use ribbon mics and if you yelled into a ribbon mic You could break it And he said he swore That mel blank would come in and they were using I mean sure one oh whatever So, you know a hundred dollar mics driving nia nail in and then record five hours But he would do that and he said that he never had to change his level in the control room That mel blank would compress his own voice He'd go he'd go. I told him. Hey, what are you doing? What are you doing? And he would do it inside Isn't that a trick? Yeah He was that's skill. Yeah, that's insane amounts of skill. Yeah, george We've got lots of questions for you to ask from our our voluminous audience out there Why don't we start off with some of those? Yes, let's do it. Let's do it. Uh first one. I see on the list here is from Denver Colburn Risley or Risley. That's a good actor name right there. Really? Um, Just starting at acx actually are doing acx books. Um, is it is it good form to ask potential clients for feedback when submitting auditions? No You never ask you never ask after you an audition Our job is to create wonderful auditions. Why because we get one out of a hundred jobs Otherwise, you're just sitting around You do fantastic aggressive Interesting get attention auditions and then you let it go Keep it because you'll forget it so you can remember but don't ever say don't ask Uh for feedback from anybody except a buddy of yours A bunkie who likes your work and never ask from somebody you like that doesn't like your work Interesting way to approach it. I guess good point. I never asked my wife. What do you think of this? Well, you know, you could do this or you could No, I never asked Renee because she'll go it's not yang yang Children go well you sound like yang yang yang That's what I get Sounds familiar You sound like yang yang How long you've been married Dan 25 years 42 for me I was dating her when I was 19 I got no hope All right, another one this one's from jeff holman Um, do you edit your own audiobooks? And if so, do you use any kind of plugins like rx seven or if not? When did you decide to farm out your editing? So if you're recording an audiobook, does that ever happen? Do you have to do the production yourself pat or do you farm that out? I learned how to edit by editing huck fin. So I wouldn't kill myself I got home from Working. I was so bad when I put it together. I went well. That's not bad Um, I don't edit myself. I do I rarely do books anymore. I teach mainly but You farm out just like when you create a beautiful studio with all these plugins and gorgeous digitizer and mics When you have the money You don't farm out until you have the money or you you farm out until you get money It depends on if you can get an editor that's uh, low cost Then you farm it out Because time is money It's confusing but that's my best answer. Yeah, well as we like to say you don't you don't buy great equipment to get work You work to get great equipment amen But with editing it's a little weird isn't it dan because if you don't have money then you get an editor from the outside um And if you do have money you get them from the outside. I don't know Well, it depends. It depends on how much work you're getting I mean if you're like, you know, you're getting booked doing a lot of books and stuff like that You're really gonna have to have an editor editing an audio book Is you know, that's part of the things about audio books because it's high effort and it's pretty much low reward Unless you're working with the a major publisher Uh, and right So it it depends but if you can learn how to edit By doing audio books you can become very valuable to other people who are doing audio books because that's a really good skill to have There's no real clear answer But one thing is important and Rudy Gaskins in new york came across Money recently and we we kind of tapped into it and my advice is to always ask for twice as much as what you'll settle for They may ask for say no, that's too much, but you'll make more than you thought you would And no one ever got fired For asking too much money. What happens is you get less money and they treat you better Boom excellent point drop the mic people who pay the least are always the worst to work for Yeah, except for you guys you should work for free for me Exactly and i'll love you a lot. I'll hug you That's what we do it for the hugs Right. Well, then all the thousands of dollars that I paid both of you don't really matter. It doesn't matter I'm trying to count the thousands there anyway Um, jeff holman also asks by the way jeff's helping us out with the show tonight in the chat room. Thanks, uh, jeff great jeff um Do you do punch and roll recording or straight record when you're doing long form stuff? Okay, let me speak to that. That's a really good question Punch and roll benefits the producer For time it does not benefit the performer My buddy scott brick who is arguably arguing the best voice English speaking voice in the world He works more than anyone else and gets paid more He's gone back to old school, which is like not punch and roll Granted he's a good reader, but he says when he gets going He doesn't like to stop and go back and do technology and put that in because it's left right side of the brain So he says no And here again, we get into this dilemma of well, it would take longer to edit it other than punch and roll, but you know I kind of tend to agree with him just roll on make a mistake go back Keep yourself easy and keep going and then edit later You know, I I've been setting up people to record audiobooks for I don't know maybe 10 years and I always posited that myself. So is that is that is that a word? posited I like it Go with it. I've always posited that thought myself, which was It's the idea that a voice actor would have to interrupt their flow of acting to now do this mechanical Yes process of finding the locate point You know and putting it there and then hitting a key no matter how fast they can do it Right, but it still takes you briefly out of that mode That's right. You want to get in the pocket and stay there in all mediums by the way ad-libbing You know, I think it's good when you do a cartoon Uh, you you stay in character. I don't jump in and out and by the way positive means to present So it's an excellent word. Thank you. I'm glad I used it correctly in front of this room John John Faust is just a fan. He says I can recommend pat's courses as well. So thank you john Yeah, um Randy mccartan a question for pat How do you approach characters and audiobooks differently than the big voices and animation or video games? Excellent question The lion's share of books are contemporary fiction And the style is movie acting It's it's really prime time. He has jenny mcswain says and so you do less For one thing it's the longest medium of all genres. I mean, you know with somebody for five to eight hours 13 even more So you do less But also there is a sense of reality that's needful for a lot of those books Even if the book is melodramatic like television is most of all of the Golden age of television, which is now is melodrama, but you don't play melodrama. You play natural or realistic acting so less and I once asked Wonderful frank molar who used to live in tepani tepega canyon canyon by the way, george I said, well, what about uh, what about, you know, those rough characters? He goes, oh, you mean this like that? I say them for one liners So when he has a short character He would do like the movies walter brennan and these characters like uh edgar bucanon They had few lines. So they were a spice But too much spice ruins the meal Yeah, it's a spice or it's like a it's like, you know, you have two gum drops, but you eat 20 It's like, whoa, it's terrible. Yeah, it's just like a little drop of a bright splash of flavor Except for dan who will eat a bag of gummy bears But that's another yeah, there's certain kinds of gummy bears though Never eat the by the way, never eat the sugar free ones. I hear they cause a rather big issue Well, let's not get into it. But yeah, why bother? Just go get a bag of real gummy bears go in your car park and eat it and die John foust actually has a question this time. Um with characters sounding more natural and conversational and quotes um in animation What are your thoughts as a teacher with this and do you see trends and patterns and what is in? Over the decades. Do you see these things repeat or Do you see them coming or what are you right? How do you feel about trends and stuff? I've really got into audiobooks in the in the late 80s. So I was at the get-go at that time performers read books Over the eras it has become perform them. So they're like little movies And um, I forgot what I was gonna say, uh, john What was the beginning of the question again, george? He was saying um, um with characters sounding with this trend for characters to sound more natural and conversational and animation Oh, okay animation is all over the place Now, let me give you the styles because because not only do you need text analysis like You know, who are the characters? Where are they and you know all the text analysis? I've added one What's the style? Why because in this day and age if you don't hit the style of a Project the casting person won't play it for the producer Why because producers no longer come from theater. They don't sit there and go. Oh, he's wonderful I'll bring him down 10 to be fine. They go Well, he didn't hit that's not the style of a show So here are the styles that you need to know because you can't ask your agent. They don't know You can call Nickelodeon and ask but good luck, you know, they don't get angry, but it's tough to get an answer here At the top prime prime. No, um wild and woolly Hannah barbara, you know crazy like crying, right? Then you go down to uh, and even playing sitcom And that's a term used for comedy Or melodrama which is used for drama And both those are the same as we are except they raise the stakes For example, if you use the cast of friends, they're great, but if you put them in real life, they're a little bit too big Or melodrama if you took melodramatic characters, they'd be a little too dramatic Then you go down to realism or contemporary Fiction or movie acting or prime time. That's it. That's all you hear That's and it has changed and gotten too better acting and more contemporary fiction in most all genres. Yeah All right, we're running a little on time. We have time for a couple more questions But one of my questions is is you got lots of stuff that's free Tell us what people can get Well as an encouragement and also because I've got nothing to do um If you go to pat frilly.com You'll find the menu top free and that's a page of all free lessons. There are about two minutes summer sketches Demonstrations like you've seen me do here at the top of that free page. There is uh, you can go to pat frilly's sound cloud If you go there, there's 50 free lessons in a row. Just pick what you want and uh, so that's a way of progressing and getting going from good to excellence Without paying any money out And if you go for my home study courses and I'll give you a deal you'll spend money Less than coming into a session with me, but you know 250 bucks Yeah You know, I think it's always important that people continue to study and really learn this craft and and take courses like this And see you know see somebody's different approach to how How you do these certain things but pat's courses are you know, they're info packed and they're really cool to To read and listen to how he does certain things. So I'd highly recommend them Well, I I'm grateful. The other thing I love about teaching home study courses Is my students send me an mp3 of their best work not on the way, but here's my best shot I listen personally and comment on it So I think about it. And so I think it's more incisive To how we learn although I gotta say I I can't learn anything I can't teach I've gotten to once one teacher in the last 40 years because I had I got up to here with teaching with me So some people go now. I forget it But you do have to keep your eyeball out for what's going on if you don't Absolutely. Well pat, thanks so much for being with us. It has been way too long since you've been on the show before Like nine years We really appreciate you taking the time right now and uh, not that everybody doesn't have lots of time sitting around But we're glad you're ready to come any time for you guys Dan we've taught together much. I've hired george. By the way, he has all your money I I know I gave it to him and said give some to dandy. I don't know It's under this floorboard. Anyway, I encourage people to get their advice On what we do from you guys because voice over is a unique subject and and you know and dan and I are so like-minded about how we go about Um servicing the voice of our community not singers or you know other people that's different Right. All right. Well pat. Thanks for being with us. We really appreciate it's great to see you and hopefully we'll all see each other in the flesh Sooner or later Yes All righty All right. Well, we're gonna take a quick break in george and i'll be right back to Rerack things in just a minute. So stay tuned This is anthony mendez. 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I did I did hear the voice of a body shop little body shop and yes, we are back and uh Pat's always entertaining He always has something good to say and it's great to see him and we've been wanting to get him back on the Show for a long time But yeah, he's worked with obviously a lot of really amazing actors and pros I didn't realize that he'd been coaching. Um, uh, Nancy Cartwright. Yeah, so I know he was good friends Brad Garrett and he's also good friends with with Ed Asner and it's always I know you'll see them together We've we've actually talked with them when I got to help them produce a live class that he taught in a theater You know, it was Brad Garrett one time many years ago. Yeah, and that was a that was a total blast That was really cool. Absolutely Uh next week on this very show is tech talk number 30 Believe it or don't we're getting up there and then the following week. We have christine oller who is She's basically an nice a creative persons therapist She she understands exactly She understands how to deal with you know stress and these sorts of things and how to organize and I think as we relieve ourselves of this Isolation, I think it'll be a good time to have her on who are our donors of the week Yes, we have some and before I do the donors I do want to mention that there is something I'm going to mention it on the tech talk too. But um, if you have a mac And all you windows people can snicker. Okay, you we get enough digs in at windows people This is where you get to snicker at us But if you're on a mac and you are already running katalina, that's 10 Point 10 point 15 um, you want to probably avoid the next update which Oops, maybe too late for you if you have automatic updates turned on I don't know how many times we've mentioned it on the show But you probably don't want to have automatic updates turned on on a production computer, but um 10 point 15 point four reportedly on an article I found on tech radar dot com Says it can maybe crash or destabilize your mac book Apparently it's a mac book thing not mac minis and other computers, but anyway um, I won't bore you with a lot of details, but hold off Don't update to 10 point 15 point four Yet, I'm sure they're going to have a new update 10 point 15 point five or something or 4.1 or something Um at that time Do the update, but I'm sure man right now with them Everybody in the office trying to phone it in You know running this team. It's got to be a little bit challenging. So absolutely stuff's going to slip through the cracks Alrighty anyway donors. Yes. Let's start with uncle roy Martha con Mike gordon Don griffith harlow rodriguez Um, michael cernes christie burns And brian ralsh. Alrighty and you can donate those names many times. Yeah, just they just go to our main web page V obs dot tv hit the donate now button and donate now uh Also, you can get on our mailing list and uh, we'd like to we our mailing list is growing I want to I want it to hit 700 before at the end of this year Maybe a thousand by the end of the year. Let's yeah, let's aim for let's aim for a thousand I like that idea because we got way more many way more than that of people subscribing on On youtube and stuff so So you're all out there. We know you're out there Anyway, uh, we need to thank our sponsors like harlan hogan's voiceover essentials voiceover extra source elements bio heroes dot com voice actor websites dot com And jmc demos and of course the dan and marcy lennard foundation for the betterment of live webcasting Jeff holman on chat room duty tonight and of course sumer leno trying Doing it from home and doing a great job. Yeah, we can't all be with each other But we can get to be with each other which is kind of you guys had any clue As if it wasn't complicated enough to do this show now dan Dan's in the studio making all the things firing all the engines getting everything running Getting everything logged in and then sue and I are both doing the jobs that we normally would do From uh from remote so it's absolutely i'm boggling. Yeah, and of course lee pennie for being lee pennie Well, we thank that fairly for being with us tonight. George always a pleasure to see you Actually got to see each other this week and uh, we're always glad to see you and uh, we're here to help you with Your home studios and with your voiceover career because if it sounds good It is good. Alrighty. I'm dan Leonard I'm george wittem and this is voiceover body shop or vo bs Alrighty