 The mysteries of Islam fascinate us time and time again. This is no different from the life story of the Prophet. Who was Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wa alihi wasallam? An illiterate doesn't mention who one day stumbled upon amazing Arabic rhetoric. Or was he the creation of Allah's greatest light? Sent down to earth to pull man out of ignorance and bring them to the purest of truths. I, Ali Burji, am on a journey to discover the real story behind the Prophet, the real story behind our religion, the roots, the beginning, the cradle of civilization. Doctor, you mentioned that Allah created more than one Adam. That's quite shocking because that's not very known. I've, to be honest, I haven't heard that before and I'm very curious as to the wisdom behind this. And also, did everyone have their own series of prophets or did we share prophets? How does it work according to your research? What have you learned? Yes, as I mentioned in the earlier on, we have hadith that Allah created more than one Adam and of course more than one world in the same way that we have Adam who descended to earth and he, if you like, procreation started and we have today, we have billions of many Adam, sons of Adam living on the planet earth. We had something similar in various other worlds, various other planets, if you like. The same universe. Does the hadith clarify? No, I can't tell you if it's in the same universe. It's probably in a different universe, various other universes or it could be in the same universe, I don't know. The hadith doesn't specify that. But yes, there are various hadiths giving various numbers. The highest number that I have come across is a thousand thousand world and a thousand thousand Adam and we are the last of the world and our Adam is the last of the Adam, if you like, that existed before us. At least our world is a loss. It doesn't mean that my understanding doesn't mean that there's absolutely no Adam left. So some some exist, some may have no. Our world, this current world apparently is the last and how long is it going to last? How many centuries, thousands of years and so on we have left? I don't know, but it's, if you like, it's on the last step of the of all these, of Adam's and of all these worlds, Al-Awalim, if you like. So yes, we've had that. It's not it's not known. Not many people know about this, but it is there. And we need to think about it and see that Allah didn't only create us, but he created others. But of course, on the question of the prophets and so on, again, in the same hadith, the Imam says Allah created a thousand thousand Adam and a thousand thousand world. It says, Allah. So that means that are the main point of guidance for all the worlds. So we sent you, we sent you as a mercy to the worlds, plural. So it isn't just our world. There are various other worlds and because there are various, various other means. And as the hadith says, I am Allah's authority just as he is the Hujja. He is the Allah's authority on this planet. And on us, if you like, on mankind living on this planet, he is also the Allah's authority on various other creatures and the descendants of the respected Adams in their respected worlds. That's a lot to swallow to notice with you. Yes, you need to sort of reflect on it. So basically everything that we thought that might, for example, like extraterrestrial life outside the world, that is possible. It's not just fantasy, but it might not be how they try to show it to us through mainstream media or Hollywood, for example. Of course, I mean they, I don't know how, probably if they start reading these hadiths, they probably have a better understanding, a better idea. Or probably they even have and when they come and sort of think about ET and alien lives and so on. But certainly we have this, the Prophet and the Ma'swameen, Alayhum Salam, some 14 centuries ago, did mention that. And we have it in our records, in our reference works, and we should mention that. But the important thing is that they are the authority, as you said, they are, they provide guidance for all the worlds and all the, if you like, creatures. I shouldn't use the word creature, I should use the term that is used by the Imam, the Adameen, the Adams or the descendants of their respected Adams. So yes, they are the guide for not just the people on Earth, it's for people on other planets and other worlds. Was the Holy Prophet, Salallahu Alaihi Wasallam, and the Ahlul Bayt, did they visit these worlds? Did they proclaim the message in person? Or were they informed that they were the leaders, but they belong to this world? Are we, for example, let's say blessed and honored that the Holy Prophet and Ahlul Bayt lived only on this Earth? So they're part of our group of Adam or do we share them? We have hadiths that they, yes, they visited them too. So, and that means they needed to travel faster than the speed of light. Like the Miraj, for example, the Holy Prophet, Salallahu Alaihi Wasallam. Because if they want to travel, given, if you like, our universe, which is something like 13 billion light years long or width, so even the travel, travel at the speed of light will be nowhere near enough. And therefore, like Miraj, they had other means, if the term is correct, other means to travel. Ahlul Bayt always. And we, yes, we do have that, that the, for example, Imam al-Sadiq, Alaihi Wasallam, he specifically says that I go and visit them, while you're sitting there, I go and visit them and come back. That we've seen it through a lot of our holy imams that they can be multiple locations at the same time. That's right. Like for example, Zain al-Abideen, Alaihi Wasallam, he was in Sham and he was also in Karbala to prepare the burial for Imam Hussain, Alaihi Wasallam. Well, in Kufa and Karbala, yes. Kufa. Kufa and Karbala. Because it was, they had a lot. But yes, there is that, but can I just say that, I mean, we're going to sideways, but we have even the Ashab Imam Alaihi Wasallam, the devotees, the companions who are really devout, if you like Muslims and devout Shia, and adherent to the teachings of Imam Alaihi Wasallam. I think one of them is Hujair Rushaid al-Hajiri, I think it's one of them. He could be at different places at the same time. He was taught by Imam Ali. He was taught by Imam Ali. And he's not a Ma'asun. So that means that every human being has the ability to reach that level. You have, he's not a Ma'asun. Of course, but probably he hasn't even attained the station of people like Salman, Salman al-Muhammadi. The Prophet said, don't call him Salman al-Farsi, call him Salman al-Muhammadi. Because he's one of us. That's right, yes. Or Abu Dhar and various other people. So probably this individual has not attained the status which Salman had, and yet he could do things like this. So these things which we think, oh if the Imam does it, that's great, but it's even the non-Ma'asun, ordinary folks who are devout followers, devout Shia of Imam Ali, they could do things like this, let alone the Imam. So the Imam is far beyond that status. But yes, yes, we have hadith that the Imam visited in person the other worlds and the other people of those worlds. I want to go back, doctor, while Ahlul Bayt, Al-Masalam are still in the heavens with Malaika, I'm not sure where Allah SWT starts creating the Adams, but while they're in the heavens, before they're manifested in dunya, what were they doing in heavens? Just if we have any information regarding their existence and their role in the heavens before coming to dunya. So we've said that they taught the angels. Okay, other than teaching the angels, is there anything else they did? Did they have lives, were they just a noor? Did they have a physical body or noor? While they were noor, they didn't have physical body. No physical body. So they acquired the physical body when they came to dunya? The Prophet says when Allah created Adam, Allah placed my noor in the loin of Adam, and that noor was transferred from one Prophet to another, if you like. We have that the ancestors of the Prophet, they were all Muslims and there was some other statement made which indicates that they were all either prophets or Nabi or Wasi, a prophet or an appointed successor to a prophet, an appointed Wasi, if you like. So we have that. So yes, Allah said the Prophet says placed my light in the loin of Adam and transferred from one Tahrir to another. That is the important thing is that in the ancestry of the Prophet, the Prophet specifically says that they were all Tahrir, they were all pure, there were no impurity in terms of Sifah instead of Nikah. There was always Nikah there and transferred from one loin to another until it reached Abdul-Muttalib and Abdullah and then it reached Abdul-Muttalib and then it split between Abdullah and Abu Talib. When the light of Imam Ali went to Abu Talib and the light of the Prophet, when Abdul-Muttalib went to Abdul-Muttalib. So it's then that they started having, if you like, a bodily form. Until then they were, if you like, it says ashbaah or arwaah or light. So they didn't have the physical body that as we know it. When Allah SWT mentions in the Holy Quran with regards to the creation of Nabi Adam, he says that he created him with his own hands. Now earlier you did mention that certain things can be said but they can't be taken literal and obviously, well obviously for some, but we believe that Allah SWT does not have a body because it's not limited by this and his existence is beyond anything we can imagine or think. So by him mentioning that he created Nabi Adam with his own hands, what does that mean? Because it cannot be taken literal, how can it be taken, if it's taken metaphoric, what is the meaning for it? What does it actually mean? Yes, as you mentioned, we don't take it literally, it's metaphoric. It's a figure of speech, if you like, and we have, it's in the Quran, Allah SWT says He is the one who sent down the Book, from which there are verses in the Quran which are definitive and we have, Allah SWT says, and there are verses in the Quran which are definitive, which are, they are the mother of the book, if you like the foundation thing, and there are verses in the Quran, verses in the Quran which are figurative, if you like, or ambiguous. I would like to use this word ambiguous. Probably that's the best translation for the word, ambiguous. It could have different meanings. Sometimes you have something which is definitive, it's very clear or unambiguous, and sometimes you have something which is a little bit ambiguous. This is specifically, it's made to be like that. And the rest, it says, Those who have deviation in their hearts, they seek to try to seek the ambiguous, to try to rely on the ambiguous one. Yes, Allah SWT says, He created them with His hands, with His ability, with His power, if you like, sorry, power. And that is made. It's not meant to be, He has hands like we have. As was mentioned earlier on, alluded to, Allah SWT is lacy, chemistly, he's shade. We cannot begin to try to imagine. We cannot begin to try to imagine what is Allah like. When Allah SWT, whatever, whatever we, whatever you imagine, if you sit down and spend a group of you, 10 people, 100 people, whatever, millions of people sit down and try to imagine, whatever they imagine, that's creation of your own mind. Imagination is Subhan Allah, Subhan Allah. So, whatever you have imagined by Allah is your creation, and it's not Allah. We have a hadith from Ma'am Bakr, alaihi salam, whatever you create, whatever you imagine about Allah, about the nature of Allah, it's your imagination. It's your creation. So, if it's your creation, it cannot be Allah. And Allah SWT, in a very clear way, lacy, chemistly, he's shade. There is nothing like His example, lacy, chemistly, he's shade. So, yes, Allah SWT is lacy, chemistly shade. There is nothing which is, that we can think of, which can be resembled, Allah SWT. And when he used metaphoric terms like, yed or ayn, ay, or hand, it's all, that's it. It's metaphoric, and it's a figure of speech, it's meant to show, to say like, it's His power, with His power, He created Adam. Masha'Allah. It's a lot to absorb. Well, you started this journey, so you have to work. I have to, I have to, because I want to reach the point where I could feel that I have a complete understanding. Well, that's going to be a very long journey. Hopefully, we can reach there. Whatever you have imagined by Allah, it's your creation, and it's not Allah. We have a hadith from Ma'am Baqir, alaihi salam. Whatever you create, whatever you imagine about Allah, about the nature of Allah, it's your imagination. It's your creation. So, if it's your creation, it cannot be Allah. And Allah has put it in a very clear way. Laysa, can it be his shape? That is nothing like his example. And when he used metaphoric terms like, yed or ayn, ay, or hand, it's all, that's it. It's metaphoric, and it's a figure of speech, it's meant to show, to say like, it's his power. With his power, he created Allah.