 What am I not in you're in all the things Something comfortable. Hmm We have we have a brand new opening bit those little pre-roll things from people. It's a limerick Exciting yeah, that is exciting. It's pretty exciting. You want to hear it? Yeah, well, no, let's surprise. It's when you hear the show I think Kind of can't not play it when I start the show because it's the first No, actually, I'm just gonna play it. So here we go Tom was a man I didn't personally know but every day I listen to his tech news show If you have a dollar to spare to keep mr. Merritt on air to patreon forward slash ace detect you should go This is the daily tech limerick. I'm Tom Merritt and Joining me here on this lovely Friday, June 5th 2015 is mr. Darren kitchen of hack 5.org And if you happen to be watching the unofficial video version of this you'll notice that he is coming to us from the Threat Wire set Yes, it's so good to be here It's so exciting such an amazing time to be alive and to be on the Threat Wire set because it seems like you know The only thing ever the only thing coming out of the news is our material these days, you know Kind of it like I didn't try today to make it full of hack 5 stuff I didn't have to I do you made today the two-year anniversary of Snowden becoming a whistleblower I did I did for me for you also Had tip to Shannon Morse for figuring out how to get couponing legitimately into Threat Wire on Wednesday, by the way So you and I were both doing that like what I was like wait a minute Shannon and I was like no no That's a legit story. You can yeah a lot of money Totally. No, that was that was very deft Speaking of legit. I hear that Len Peralta is joining us. Yes, mr. Len Peralta is here to illustrate the show Len We won't talk about sports. I promise for this. That's that's that's all right I'm not a fragile man, but yeah, let's not talk about it Although I do want to say there was once was a young man named Merritt who I Couldn't I thought you're gonna pull like pull out on a fresh lyric there Okay, you could wear it The Skype for web beta is now available in the United States and the United Kingdom new and existing users of Skype can sign in and connect To Skype without the Skype app by installing a plug-in. It works in Internet Explorer Chrome Safari or Firefox You got to do is go to Skype.com or web dot Skype.com if you want to be like really precise Skype will continue rolling out Skype for web worldwide over the next few weeks Skype Skype Skype lots of Skype Skype is in your web No, yeah Skype is such a conflict, you know, I thought Skype was so cool when it was originally done by the Was it the Morpheus guys? But now Skype's Microsoft and Skype operates in a really weird way where it's like sometimes a telecom provider like in the United States where it shares its data with the FBI Well, at the same time it refuses to share it stuff with foreign nations because you know, it's not a telecom And it's weird because I know in my heart that if I were to like knock on the door of the NSA and say hey What video chat app do you think I should use they'd probably say Skype which is exactly why I'm not a fan And there are so many good alternatives that do a better job of protecting your privacy For example the open source Jitsie, which we just recently featured on hack 5 supports STRP encryption things of that nature So I feel like one is a little too late and two plugins really and three come on Yeah, the plug-in thing undercuts what I was gonna pull out as a positive from this because I never use Skype for anything I expect to be private I use it mostly for recording podcasts and things that I'm gonna be putting out anyway However, I do love this trend of swinging back to the web, right? You know setting aside what you may or may not think about Skype and Microsoft. I love this trend I want to see more companies saying. Oh, you know what? We decided actually that there already is a platform that is cross-platform compatible And then of course we get to the plug-in as you said and it's like oh, well, then that's not exactly what I was hoping for But yeah, no at at the point that you need a proprietary plug-in. It might as well be a proprietary app Yeah, I know really what it's just getting that right impulse though that Have that web badge without actually conforming to any of the cool things that are I don't know like HTML5 But even that even that makes me hopeful like wow They even want to pretend like they work cross-platform on the web like it must be cool enough to do that again Finally, I don't know. Yeah. Well, it was really cool. It would be a web RTC But that's just how I feel come on Skype web RTC up in this place USA Today reports the Google will begin to report incidents involving its driverless cars on a dedicated website With the human driver details redacted for privacy in addition to reporting accidents Google comm slash Self-driving car will give examples of how the cars adapt to everyday traffic situations and take some community feedback If you've got the thoughts about it after about six years of testing and 1.8 million miles driven The Google fleet says it has been involved in 13 accidents according to reports the company submitted to the Department of Motor Vehicles and Project leader Chris Umsen noted that all of the accidents were the fault of other drivers So if you're like wait a minute, they're gonna hide the drivers of these driverless cars What does that mean? It means the people that caused the accidents which are the other cars on the road Right now. I love this. You know what if I'm really interesting about this is just how more and more Transparency has really become the norm with these tech companies. So I really have to champion that Bloomberg reports that Apple is still negotiating with record labels over the revenue split from a music streaming service It's developing allegedly Apple is expected to announce the service at its worldwide developers conference this coming Monday Music labels currently get about 55 percent of Spotify's monthly $9.99 rate Music publishers take about 15 percent of that So the labels are supposedly asking Apple for 60 percent because they want a better deal than they cut with Spotify Give the musicians the money directly. Yeah, or or you know just work with snubs and see if you can get some coupons for that She's in the chat room now, by the way See that reports that california-based microdia is showing off the extra elite 512 gigabyte micro sd card at Computex and type a that's right 512 gigabytes on a micro sd card Micro sd cards can actually go up to a terabyte or more But nobody's done it as far as we know until now and or nobody's done it that much And this is the biggest one anybody's seen in a while The micro sdxc card will use version 4.0 of the sdxc standard Which means ultra high speed two bus speeds up to 300 megabytes per second. This is a gargantuan yet tiny Flash storage device and it's going to cost you a big price a thousand dollars when it goes on sale in july Ouch, but just imagine though you could like accidentally inhale Half a terabyte That's good. It's just under two dollars per gigabyte It's a bit steep it'll come down I just anyway this story will continue until the end of time and i'll always have the same thing to say Which is we need a bay wolf cluster of these Yeah, you always do right and and granted it'll be a thousand dollars at first and it will come down I mean the fact that there are gigabyte At micro sd cards now they used to be ridiculous prices and now they're not so To me it's always impressive to be like wow, okay, we figured out how to commercialize 512 gigabytes. That's awesome That's fantastic. Yeah, the sad thing is most people are going to use x-fat as the vial system on those And that's just that makes me cry Yeah, I get I mean they say that the one group of people they expect to actually purchase these at a thousand dollars would be professional photographers Or do pro photographers use x-fat Uh, unfortunately Yeah, a lot of these cards. That's just what they do. I know my sony camera Does that by default no choice Vegear beat reports that google partnered with adobe to make flash more power efficient in chrome The chrome beta now automatically pauses flash content that it doesn't deem central to the webpage Uh, mostly those sidebar advertisements while keeping central content playing without interruption That's that youtube video of cats that got embedded in the blogger reading if chrome beta pauses something you want to see You can resume playback, of course just by clicking on it Google expects the feature to make its way into a stable release as early as september Although you can go turn it on in the advanced content settings under privacy in chrome right now You know when you first said this I actually thought that what you meant was not central like to the content Of the say it's an article on a news website From what I understand it just means that you would have to you know say there's some flash content down on the page It's not going to really load until you scroll down there similar to the way that some websites Save a lot of bandwidth by not loading every image until you kind of scroll down to them But now I kind of just wish that it would work the other way around where it's just like Oh, don't even play the flash content until you look at it Like if I could do eye tracking Yeah, bring it. Yeah, I'm into that Earlier this week PayPal updated its user agreement with a clause that specifically allows the company to send Robocalls and promotional text messages to users Even if the users never gave them their phone number it's just as long as PayPal guesses it apparently As you might imagine it did not go over very well with people today tech crunch reports that customers Can opt out of receiving auto dialed or pre-recorded calls Most likely because angry customer and advocacy groups drafted a letter to the FCC Which uh takes a very dim view of robo calls of any kind. It's not clear yet Just how PayPal will allow you to opt out of these robo calls yet I don't know. I just think they should pick up war dialing Yeah, there's our I've already seen a few people saying I'm not using PayPal anymore A lot of times people say that and then they realize well the alternatives out there are not as good Or everybody wants to pay me through PayPal. Also, maybe I'll go back But I think I think PayPal is definitely feeling the pressure here Yeah, I think most of that always comes back to and also Europe and everybody in Europe nods their head in agreement And gadget reports researchers from the sensor systems lab at the University of Washington in Seattle Say they're able to charge a job on up 24 fitness tracker with Wi-Fi The researchers inserted just enough noise into the signal to keep power levels steady without disrupting the data transmission They didn't even see any speed drop-offs power over Wi-Fi as they're calling it can charge the job on to 41 percent in two and a half hours No, no, don't do it. Stop it. Why just what's wrong? I don't okay. I don't believe for a second that uh That you can do it without impacting other Wi-Fi sure You can like listen for the clear descends and and all of those like control signals But you're going like bandwidth is bandwidth like you're going to take They just all they did you got to read the paper dude and and I'm curious if you still have the objection because you might But what I'm saying they didn't they didn't impact the data or they didn't even put any signals in it They just put noise The noise keeps the micro bursts that are naturally occurring that cause power generation Going and they found the level where Wi-Fi can over all Wi-Fi always overcomes noise Wi-Fi can overcome the noise they needed to sustain power generation Without impacting any of the data transmission because the the it's just noise They're not actually putting anything in the data stream Right. No, I I understand that what I'm saying is I've I've actually done this by sending Beacon frames or something else where there's like a finite amount of nanoseconds of these chirps that you can actually use on that spectrum And if you use them all up, there's not enough for the rest of it So what I understand is yes if say there was an existing network with say five users and this much Transfer was happening. You could do what you're saying in a way that doesn't impact that But the second a sixth person wants to come in you have to Oh, so you think it has a capacity impact. That's what I'm saying. I don't get me wrong I love the concept, but maybe on a different frequency Well, I got to see something from the FCC on this. Well, honestly, uh, why not? Why not build a router that has you know, and we've got routers with dual frequency already Why not build a router that can say, you know, can Maybe we just deprecate 2.5 gigahertz and say that's for power generation and five gigahertz for everything else, right? Well, I mean, it's funny that you should mention that the 2.4 gigahertz is from the industrial scientific and medical where It was typically, you know, what we knew of it before Wi-Fi was that thing that your microwave leaked out So I'm I anyway, I get a little hesitant about this kind of stuff I would love to see the technology grow, but maybe give it its own sandbox Well, and that's why this is not rolled out, right? This is them saying, hey, we figured out we were able to do it at all is what the is what the big advance here is And then all of these questions that you're bringing up are the things that they will have to solve If they want to actually turn this into something that could work, but if they do Man, do I want this? They answer all your questions sufficiently. I want my devices to be able to charge themselves I want sensors that don't even have to have a battery in them. That's amazing Yeah, I think that uh, the Wi-Fi term is being applied to this because it's what consumers understand as like that magic wireless, so Maybe just need something else All right I feel like a grandpa here saying get off my Wi-Fi, but you know, no you you explained ever all your resistance No pun intended To this was explained when you said you've worked you've tried this, right? As soon as you get close to a topic like this, you're like, wait a minute I know all the flaws. Well, what I'm saying is I have saturated a channel with enough Data that nothing else can use that channel. And so Don't do that. I don't know that that's exactly what they're doing. But anyway, I I know you know more about this than I do. So I'm curious if you read this or if you read their paper That will be my homework. All right Cool Daily tech news show reddit.com is the place for you to submit a story or vote on the other stories And let us know what to talk about in the show. It's not like Determinative we don't look to just that we look to all kinds of sources Including our own expertise But man is it helpful to see what you folks are interested in for today The top story was Abba twila condolce submitting the engadged article on an attack on the us office of personnel management database containing four million records of current and former us federal employees The office of personnel management or opm is in charge of conducting background checks on federal employees So that's some sensitive data the us fbi is in charge of the investigation opm will issue notifications between june 8th and june 19th to their employees offering credit monitoring and identity theft protection The new york times cite some researchers who believe the attack may have been conducted by the same people who attacked insurance companies anthem and primaris systems Because darin as I know you guys have reported before credit card numbers not as valuable as they used to be but man building a whole profile that can get you some medical equipment or drugs or Or just you know be able to impersonate someone very thoroughly with this kind of information that brings in some high dollars Yes, also, uh, we this is one of the stories that we covered on threat wire today Which is out on hackfab.org slash youtube now And but tom I must say You missed the headline see the story goes china hacks the u.s. government with chinese hackers from china While drinking out of china teacups Do we know that No, but that's the headline and I actually have to applaud you for not mentioning china china china in this story because uh, every security researcher says we have no evidence that this is actually the result of china Uh, the only thing is the u.s. Said it appears that the attacks originated in china Which all attacks appear to have originated in either china the us or russia If you're a self-respecting attacker you make it look like it came from one of those countries Right, so anyway, I'm actually just applauding you for not bringing that into the discussion And by doing so I have brought it into the discussion. I appreciate the impulse though star fury zeta shows the arse technical story that administrator charles bolden said that nasa is looking into advanced propulsion technologies That could cut the eight month journey to mars in half The technology is being studied range from solar electric propulsion to nuclear rockets Uh, he just says look we we need a little bit more money And we could save a lot of money because because the returns on this are great If you cut the journey in half you cut the amount of supplies you have to take to support people's journey to mars Which then cuts the fuel and propulsion you need which then cuts the amount of fuel you need because you don't have to carry the Fuel you need to you know, it just like it it builds on itself So it it's definitely worth the investment and it's a good speech to listen to if you're in tune space stuff Right, I mean, you know, if you've ever tried to go on a really long trip with a spouse or something that just you Are inevitably going to pack too much. So stay nimble pack light sb Sheridan picked the wired story about a computer that developed a scientific theory without human intervention other than creating the program in the first Place uh scientists at tufts university programmed a computer to develop theories when faced with a problem And then biologists at tufts university chose a 120 year old problem of how sliced up flatworms are able to Regenerate new organisms in the proper shape and proportion. They know how they're able to regenerate But they're like how do they make sure it regenerates as an actual flatworm and all the parts are right The computer reverse engineered a solution on its own Did it in about three days using like its own logic to figure out how to run simulations And they have published that solution and the details about how they created the program in the journal plus computational biology See scientists just when you thought your job wasn't safe from robots Scientists then realized what they had done and immediately deleted the program right No, this is this is fantastic though because at least at this stage in all seriousness This is the kind of of program that can make scientists job a lot easier Is to say like hey, this is the thing we're looking at, you know, basically Scientists could have done this on their own But they wouldn't have been able to go through the permutations In enough in in their lifetime They could have programmed the permutations for a computer to run that's not artificially intelligent But that would have taken decades to make sure like okay now that we've done this permutation Let's go to this one next so they just cut out the middleman on that It leaves scientists the ability to do more theorizing and and applying and testing and reviewing Yeah, I've seen what happens when you have the supercomputer do all over the permutations before with those big questions And sometimes you just get 42 Yeah, other times you get the solution is not to play There we go and that's a look at the headlines Hey, by the way before we get into the main discussion Did you see mr. Robot the the pilot? From usa network that they put up on youtube for free. I know that it uses a wi-fi pineapple Uh, or at least that's what the director is who emailed me told me. Yeah. Well, it looked like a pineapple So I was good. That's one of the reasons. Yeah, we actually just had to sign off on it. Uh, okay Interesting. Yeah, you got to watch it. Uh, okay. I know they don't get everything right, but man they worked hard to try Yeah, it's really interesting that this is actually changed. I mean it kind of goes along with what we're talking about, but like, um It's changed our whole corporate like our whole sorry corporate our whole culture Right, so like hacking is like, you know used to be a dark art and now it's just like an everyday thing Surveillance used to be something that we did against russia and now it's like an everyday thing. Yeah, so Yeah, our main discussion uh today is a fact that two years ago glenn greenwald published nsa collecting phone records of millions of verizon customers daily in the guardian It was the first of what we would later find out Were a trove of documents leaked by edward snowden that are still producing news stories two years later Yesterday edward snowden posted an op-ed piece in the new york times Sort of claiming some partial victory Noting that u.s. Courts have declared call tracking unlawful, which was the first story Noting that section 215 of the patriot act was not renewed although the usa freedom act Which is also a surveillance act although more restrictive than section 215 has been passed The un since these leaks has declared mass surveillance an unambiguous violation of human rights brazil passed its own version of an internet bill of rights Encryption by default has become the norm more vulnerabilities are being discovered and patched because people are paying more attention On the other hand, we have more invasive laws being passed in australia canada and france that enact new surveillance powers darin you've covered this space for a decade and you've been covering it very closely obviously in the past couple of years Do you think the leaks have had the effect the good effect that snowden claims in this op-ed piece? Yes, yes to the point where uh, it has impacted just about every walk of life I mean, we were just joking around about some little tv show And and that's not to say that hollywood wasn't glorifying hackers and that beforehand But it has just become that more prevalent that it's made its way into our mainstream and i feel like even that What was that terrible terrible movie? um, it ties in with that the um No, no i'm actually thinking about the dpr k One help me out here. Oh, uh, yes the south rogan or the south rogan move Yes, so to the point where like it's impacting south rogan movies. I feel like uh, It has made its way down to like mainstream, which is so great because it's uh, it has been successful in its awareness And it has been successful in changing the popularity of what would otherwise be something that lawmakers could go along with And now it's just too unpopular to touch It has changed the uh perception of technology and privacy to where privacy is actually a core focus first That where we see more and more transparency reports, uh, where things become encrypted by default And uh, it's it's good. The discussion has spurred many amazing positive things And yet we have new laws We have new laws being passed in countries that increase surveillance We still have the usa freedom act which while it's more restrictive than section 215 of the patriot act Is still enabling surveillance of u.s citizens in some cases Uh, was it worth it for edwards noden to do this? Well, I mean somebody had to right because previous to that it was you weren't given that kind of validation That it's a legit thing. It's always swept under the rug is tim poil hat speak and so, um Yeah, I know i'm i'm very thankful for the sacrifice that edward has made So I know it's not gonna it's not going to change everything for the good like immediately We're still going to have bad laws. We're still going to have bad politicians It doesn't change that fact But what it does is it acknowledges it and allows us to discuss it and make changes And I feel like all the changes that have happened would not have happened otherwise Now and and the other side of this is people out there that i've read today saying he hasn't changed anything People are unaware of what's going on. Uh, and and yeah, maybe temporarily We had a little uh slide of hand change in the law But we all know how that works. Uh, give it a couple years and they'll be back to their old tricks Uh, what needs to happen In order to preserve the privacy of people for real and not let The sliding into the surveillance that happened before happened again And how much privacy do we actually need like I think If if I can jump past that first question that I just asked you because I think there's That's a more a simpler answer Where should the line be like now that we've realized like okay, that maybe was way over the line I think most people agree with that There are people who say but I want them to be able to watch the bad guys My personal opinion has always been yeah, well getting rid of encryption for all of us doesn't stop Bad actors from encrypting Surveiling all of our communications doesn't necessarily mean you're catch catching this the the bad actors communications And in fact, uh, the u.s. Has done a study commissioned by the white house that found that Most of the surveillance did not lead to any kind of prevention of any kind of act so You know, how do we decide how much privacy we need responsibly? Okay, uh, that was a lot of questions. Tom, let me first let me land on the last one there Okay, let me challenge that first one that you said which is that uh, yes a lot of people are unaware. I mean if you've ever seen, um for instance I'm blinking on his name now. Uh, don oliver did a pretty good Last week tonight. Yeah, right. He interviewed uh, edwards noden and leading up to it There was like this kind of street or type interview in time square asking people who edwards noden is and a lot Of people, you know, they could the quote unquote average americans like oh, yeah, he's the wiki leaks guy or being completely You know just missed and uninformed and so yes, you're right A lot of people are not aware, but what's important is that A lot of very important people are aware for instance, you know the the concept that you can get an android phone Or if an iphone that's encrypted by default Uh, is because of those people who have become aware and are making positive changes. So while, you know, you're Mainstream may not be as in, you know, uh, as So you're saying mainstream awareness isn't the goal Awareness by the right people is the goal and that has happened Right, okay. Yes, and that has on the other side on the political side. You're absolutely right We have seen like I feel like calling the the small victories that we've seen baby steps is Kind of blittling baby steps like it's it's minute Like it's it's micro millimeter steps, right? Uh, nanometer steps to quote tom merit and the um You know, we see the focus on things like metadata Shifting the focus on to something that's really just peripheral and esoteric and not actually The the core of it to get, you know, the same kind of party line debate going on That actually doesn't make any sort of change So yes, that hasn't there hasn't been enough good change on the politics side of things But there has been enough good change on the technology side of things and what you're what you were leading at was The whole concept that yes people feel many different ways about what privacy is and how much we should have and Where that line should be But I feel like what it was before was you had very privacy focused Hackers tinfoil hat people things of that nature, right? and now It's just kind of like especially with social media and and this this world that we live in now where it's like We've all made those mistakes with With privacy settings and things of that nature that we're more and more aware of privacy Um And so I think what's changed is we actually get to have that discussion Whereas before it wasn't being had or it was being had but it was in a secret court And we didn't weigh in on that and so yes that line needs to be defined and that line is going to be different for everyone But at least we're having that conversation and that's really a beautiful thing. Yeah No, I 100 agree with you that we should be having that conversation I also believe and and I you may not agree with me and that's fine that Our intelligence agencies do should have the right to watch To be able to see things that are in public and so there There's not a threat of them not having that power now So I think it's a false debate to bring that up But as a backstop I'm like I'm okay with them watching public as long as I have the right To encrypt my things as long as I have the right to be private Because the bad guys the bad girls are going to have the right Are not going to care about the right. They're going to make Their stuff private. So of course law enforcement should be able to to watch what is in front of them Because you know as we saw recently in Syria People screw up sometimes and they make things public that they shouldn't have and you can take advantage of that And that's where you get the victories So I am also of the belief that we should allow people to encrypt everything that they want And and I also don't think that companies should be compelled in most cases Without clear warrants and public court supervision to hand over bulk amounts of information without a clear reason why But I understand I very much sympathize with intelligence agencies and law enforcement about the fact that they say well, wait a minute That's really crippling us We we do need to have more than that and we can act responsibly and I would like to I would like to hear somebody in the audience who's from that side, especially anyone who's experienced I know if you're really experienced you probably can't talk about it But uh to make the case of like hey give us this much and it really doesn't trample on your rights and helps us out a lot That's that line that you're right having this conversation has allowed us to get to the point where we can talk about where that line should be Right. No, don't get me wrong. I've never you know, I accept Surveillance. I think it's beautiful that we have the technology to protect ourselves like encryption and things of that nature And I feel like it's very much a balance, especially as the Modern society that we live in to be an active part of it. You're kind of like, you know urge to use Social networks and things of that nature where your thoughts no longer are owned by you or protected by you And they're the interests of the organizations that may or may not have your your best interests in mind And may be coerced by the government to give your thoughts to them I think what you're you're talking about is the the concept that well, yes, it is amazing that we have this technology that can Enable us to have privacy and and I want to say us. I mean everyone across the board good people bad people to decide how you pass judgment, but It's kind of like Okay at one point Nuclear weapons were developed and we had this technology But how do you use that technology in a In a socially appropriate way if there is such a thing, you know, I'm saying so I'm not I'm not equating technology to I'm not saying it's bad like nuclear weapons What I'm saying is there's been times in the past where suddenly as a humanity we have developed technology that is Empowering I mean nuclear technology will get us to Mars, right and possibly destructive and Just scary and amazing and so this is kind of like that but I'm of the opinion Encrypt all the things and don't let them water it down and don't let them break the the technologies and Keep us back, right? I'm more of the opinion of the united nations That's like give everybody the strongest arms possible In this yeah anyone who wants to break into your encryption doesn't have your Interest at heart for whatever reason they say And for that reason I asked darin to make our pick of the day And give us some encryption picks things that are that are good for you to use to encrypt all of your things Yes, uh, so for if you're a linux fan like myself, you'll probably want to go with lux luk s It's built into most modern distributions and that will do full disc crypto Which especially if you cross borders you want to use although you will probably be compelled to give up your password If you go into the united kingdom and probably go to jail you don't you probably won't be but you could be You probably won't be but just be aware of that On the windows side for full disc encryption The disc crypto is a really good. It's been vetted by the ff. Uh, it's open source That's another good one personally for volume encryption. I like ink fs enc fs It lets you do just small volume similar to like true crypt and you can use those in conjunction With sharing services like dropbox and that's also windows and linux And i'm not much of a mac guy, so I don't really have anything on that end I'll throw in file vault built into mac in my experience works great. I have not seen anyone Say that it has any significant flaws not that anything is flawless trust me But but file vault seems to be the the best way to go with os 10 Yes, and as far as messaging I should probably also put out there that text secure is really the way to go and um And e f f dot org slash secure dash messaging dash scorecard We'll put a link in the show notes. They have e f f does an amazing job actually breaking down You know, not just if it's encrypted, but if it's encrypted in transit And if you can verify a context identity and all of the other things that you're going to want to know about messaging And there are a lot of uh amazing technologies and actually it's a lot of which are like far and beyond just the You know pg pgp So text secure is my kind of go-to for secure text messaging And that's one that gets all the check boxes and I'll go ahead and link that in chat Send your picks to feedback at daily tech news show dot com You can find my picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks Just one message of the day and it is a voicemail from joshua. I think fittingly in the theme of this show He's got a little bit of a tinfoil hat thing going on about google photos He says he hasn't heard anybody else say this, but I know I have heard other people say this. You're not alone joshua Hi, tom and the gang just sort of starting to get to the google ios stuff and everyone's been raving about the google photos and I've been sort of thinking about it. Can you imagine all of the data that google is able to get much more personalized information Than ever before by looking at the photos that you take So for example, you take photos you tag. Okay, this is my child Right. My child is three years old or This is my apple mac that's sitting there in the background. This is a coke can Sitting here on the table, right? They all of a sudden will be able to analyze These photos that you're taking and determine the kinds of brands that you're into And begin very specifically targeting advertising to you and Selling that advertising information potentially to other advertising agencies Which concerns me. I don't know what google's policy is on selling user data and how randomized that is but In a day and age where privacy is a bit of a concern for me Uh, I find this to be a little bit troubling with how good image recognition is getting When we're talking about targeted advertising Anyway, just a perspective. I haven't heard anyone else talk about anyway You are not alone joshua. Although actually that that's very implied because there are so many crickets around here That's actually soothing. Yeah, it really was. You know, I must say so then the next step is right I've catalogued the audio signatures and now we know that you live in an area with crickets So we can start sending you advertisements for Love to eat those. I I do think that That might be helpful for him, right? I don't think advertising being more targeted is my fear On something like this, right? I actually want that I want if I have to ever see advertising I want it to be something that I'd be at least interested in knowing about that's what advertising is supposed to do What I do fear is everything else. He said, which is image recognition You know creating more Information about you and then selling it to other people like that All of the rest of that and used for even more nefarious purposes is what disturbs me Yeah, well this technology has to evolve if we're ever going to have robots that can actually make sense of their environment So by using an massive data set that is google's Image library of everybody's photos that gives them That data set to really increase that kind of similar to how We used in google voice that the translation thing and that actually made google services better Where I can actually use google now and talk to it and say give me directions to the nearest taco joint and it works Yeah, it's trade-off But where it leads yeah twitter.com slash hack 5 deer and h a k 5 d a r r e n and of course hack 5.org for threat wire and hack 5 And metasploit minute and more h a k 5.org. What do you guys got going on over there these days? Oh my gosh, so much good stuff. We just got did a a threat wire talking about china getting blamed for uh For all the hacking. Yeah big big hacking stuff I'd ready for remember. I just shot it on this beautiful set here But go ahead and check out threat wire. It's done by shannon morris and patrick norton and myself We're rounding up the security privacy and internet freedom news three times a week It's lots of fun. You can find all of those at hack 5.org H a k the number five and on youtube and we're coming up on 200 k So we're very excited. Oh, and we're going to be turning 10 years old in august at def con So if you're calling to def con come and see us bring We'll have like birthday hats bring gifts appropriate for a 10 year old Yes, that will be us Len peralta, you have been commemorating the two year anniversary of the first snowden leak What do you got for us here? Well, you know every once in a while You know, this is all fun and games. I like to draw funny cartoons and stuff like that every once in a while I like to do something a little more serious minded And being the two year anniversary of uh snowden and the leaks Um, I felt this was pretty appropriate. This is actually uh, uh I looked up the original article. Uh, this is actually a uh a quote from him Saying i'm not afraid because this is the choice i've made and I watched the um, uh The documentary about him and even watching the documentary. It's like, why would someone like this someone like that do this? And uh, and as I was watching it I was realizing, you know thank god for edward snowden and uh bringing this into the forefront and let us talk about a little bit And uh, just letting people understand that this is uh, this is the world we live in So I think uh, this is a kind of an editorial take On the snowden leaks. Yeah, it's our it's our first editorial cartoon Uh from len peralta on the show and it's a good one folks. Uh, I can't do it justice Explaining it to you you got to go to lemperalta store.com and just at least take a look at it. Uh, this is very well done Thank you. I love it And check out cool guy, that was like why is darin being so quiet because he's buying that poster right now Yeah, you can get it at lemperalta store.com. Also once again, you know, if you have if you have a couple pennies lying around Uh, go to my patreon and give me a little bit, uh, you know back to dts level lover level You'll get each one of these images as digital images. This would be a great iPhone or phone covers On your on your computer just as a remote to watch your security Yeah, keep keep an eye on it. Uh, it's it's it's really symbolic But the word's coming out of his mouth and the zeros and the ones representing the bits. Uh, you gotta check it Take a look at lemperalta store.com. Uh, thank you to our patrons 5056 it's going back up again. Thank you guys. You guys are the best You keep us going we appreciate that enough of you see value in the show to keep it going for everybody else Who gets to benefit from it? So thank you so much if you want to support the show in any way Daily tech news show dot com slash support has all the ways you can do it Our email address is feedback at daily tech news show dot com. You can give us a call 51259 daily That's 5125932459. Listen to the show live at tune in dot alpha geek radio dot com Visit our website daily tech news show dot com and come back monday for w w dc wrap ups with veronica belmont And justin robert young talk to you then The show is part of the frog pants network get more at frogpants dot com Diamond club hopes you have enjoyed this bro