 Run it up, they run it back, yeah, run it up, they run it back, run it back. Good Wednesday morning, our final day here at the LA Studios. Anybody want to say anything about that? Final time of the season, many more to come. Wow. This is a beautiful setup that they have for us. I'm excited to be here with all of you fine gentlemen. What's happening? What? I was kidding. What? I hope not. So I'm sure all of you, by the way. I love the studio. It was like a toast. We never got LA weather. We came here 40 times. We did it. June Gloom baby. The last two months overcast. It's much more beautiful in Chicago, San Antonio. Thank you. New York. Actually, no. New York's air right now is having a problem. Anyways, what are we doing? We have a game. We finally have a game. We've been here for a couple of days and now we get to talk about something happening. Two nights finally, numero three down in Miami. Sean, you're going to be there. What are you looking forward to? What do you think is going to happen? I love the crowd, the atmosphere in Miami. I've been covering games in Miami since 2013. My first NBA finals. It gets rowdy down there. It gets crazy. I can't wait to be there. But to me, I want to see the role players on both teams. On Miami side, Gabe Vincent, Duncan Robinson, Max Struse. The series is going to be decided by the role players. I think we're at this juncture. We know what Nicole Yoko is going to bring. I think Jamal Murray is going to have a bounce back game in game three up to his all star elite type status. Jimmy Butler, we know what he's going to do. He's been stellar so far this series. But on Denver side, KCP, Michael Porter Jr., Aaron Gordon, seeing which of those guys steps up. And shout out to Gabe Vincent. He's going to go into free agency this summer. It's clear he's earned himself a big contract. This guy's averaging 21 points per game. Almost five threes. His splits are crazy. 58, 56, 100 from the free throw line. He's been big time for the heat. Sean, you've got a little pep in your step today. What's happening right now? Did you have double opium? No, I think you inspired me. You inspired me. Chandler inspired someone? He told me about the ways of how you can be energetic. Shoms is going to Miami tonight. You got a table. What do you got, Shoms? But I agree with Shoms. I think tonight, the start is huge, right? Miami's been getting off to bad stars. The heat have been, you know, they got to get off to good start. They got to get this crowd engaged early. And I agree with Shoms. At this point, you know what the stars are going to give you. You know the scouting reports. You know the game plan. So I really look forward to like Jimmy Butler getting off to a hot start, doing all those little things, getting on the floor, setting the tone early. Because this is a team that they depend on their physicality, their defense to slow it down. And they have to be able to do that tonight. What if he goes seven for 19? You know, again, seven for 19 is not a horrible game. People are talking about that. He had 21, nine and four. You're seven and 19. I just think he needs to make a concertive effort to get to the free throw more, take good looks. And like Shoms said, these other guys are going to have to knock down shots. I'd love to see Gabe Vincent, Duncan Robinson, Mextures. These guys have got to go off. They're going to get open looks. The way their offense and the way their counters and plays are set up, they're going to get open looks. They've got to be able to knock them down. They shot 17 at 35 from three the other night and barely won by three points. And a lot of that is because of Jimmy. He did not play to the caliber. He set the first nine games of the playoffs when he had the huge game against the Bucks and on and on and on. He just hasn't been that same player in his last nine games of the playoffs. He needs to reach that level if they're going to win this series. There's no way around it. They're not going to shoot 48% from three every game. They're not going to hit 17 threes every game. So they need that from him, especially a lot of people thought Tyler Harrow was going to be back for game three. He was ruled out yesterday. We don't know. It's up in the air. If they're not getting Tyler Harrow back, they need to play off himmy butler back at some point. And tonight would be a great time to start. Nuggets favored, barely two and a half, still favored in the series. Doesn't feel quite as confident as it did before this thing started. You still buying that? It shouldn't feel as confident. The heat acquitted themselves well in Denver. Yes, they lost game one and they finished tough. And like Chandler mentioned, they keep starting slow. But they've showed that they can play with this team. They showed that they can match up strategically and they showed that they have the firepower to make it happen. They do have to knock down shots. They do need a better Jimmy. They do need BAM to continue to do what he's doing. But they're a live dog in this team. So it should be a close one. And at the same time, you best believe Denver, they hear everything. They got Coach Malone's message loud and clear. And when you look at the history of the finals, when the series is tied one to one, whoever wins game three goes on to have an 80% chance of winning the championship. So everybody on that court tonight, everyone in that building site knows what's at stake. You get a huge upper hand if you can find a way to get game three. So I look for Denver to also come out and they need to throw the first punch. They got to be physical. We know what they're going to do offensively, but they have to lock in. Guys like Michael Porter, they have to step up. They have to be down. They have to take on this challenge by Malone to play harder than the next. And that's hard to do when you're going against Miami Heat. Is there a team we trust more in this thing? Because for me, it feels very equal, weirdly enough. You got Miami asking if they miss so many shots. I mean, not Miami. Denver is getting asked if they miss so many shots in the fourth because they're young and this is their first time in the finals. I think the natural inclination is to trust Miami more. They've been here. They have Eric Spulsher. They have Jimmy Butler. They have Kevin Love who has this exorbitant finals experience. I trust them a little more, and then they're at home. So that helps. Crazy. We're taking a less talented team. We're trusting a less talented team just because of that coaching, because of that experience, because of Jimmy Butler. It's just the way he can get his guys going. So it is interesting. I think Denver gets it done tonight. I think they bounce back. I think they're going to play extremely hard. I think they're going to get off to a good start. What is happening? I just got an email from Relax The Back. Okay, well, that's important. Bob got that update in the show. Important email. But yeah, I fully expect Denver. They've been the best team all year long. They know this is their chance right now and whoever wins this game, again, the odds are in their favor to win the series. So this is huge for both of them, but I expect it to be a highly competitive close game. We mentioned Tyler Hero. And he ruled out for... But any chance we see him? I think there is definitely a chance. I think he is moving closer. He's still a soreness in that hand that he fractured in game one of the playoffs. But I think they want to make sure he's right. And this series is also one-one. They're coming off a win. And, you know, they might never admit to it. But I mean, I think when you look at how this team has won without him, Duncan Robinson. I know for sure. That's the guy that's probably not playing right now. Tyler Hero is healthy. So how they handle his return, making sure he's 100%, I think that is definitely what they're focused on. But right now still has swelling, some soreness in that hand. Here's my thing. I hate when guys are like, oh, he's going to mess up the flow. He's going to mess up the system. And no, this kid is a guy who they've paid, who they've invested in, who's a critical part of their future, who's an absolute bucket, by the way. And that's exactly what they need. So I believe in Eric Spolstra to be able to plug him in into spots, bring him off the bench, give him that lift that they badly need with Caleb Martin's sick and not playing like he did in the last series, with Gabe Vinson's ankle bothering him, with Kyle Lowry up and down, with Duncan Robinson, everything he's going through. Tyler Hero is a great basketball player, and he can help them. And he's one of the guys on their team that can go get a bucket, that can ISO, that the end of the shot clock can make a play and score points. That's exactly what they need. It's the team that gets bogged down, they play slow, and Tyler Hero is the opposite. He can actually give them that breath of fresh air. He can go get a bucket, but... Oh, my God. Yeah, I mean, it's the shocking outfits. Sir! Also, I hear that he's still has swelling in the hand, and it's his shooting hands. Right. That plays a huge difference in his... Changing their sources. Progress, yeah. That if it was his non-shooting hand, I bet you he'd be playing, you know, last series. But it's tough, and you don't want this to linger. But I look on the other side. He's got all off-season to heal this thing. If you can play and you can go help the team win tonight. I agree. Go do it. Well, I guess it depends on what happens, right? Yeah. The things he provides is exactly what Miami needs right now. They need that ball handler. And if they want to target Yolkets, and the way they did it in the last game, attacking him at the top of the key, a lot of dribble handoff stuff, a lot of... Then running into pick and roll. He's the best pick and roll player on their team. Him and Bam, pick and roll is one of their pet plays, one of their pet actions they get into whenever they get down. If they can get Yolkets in pick and roll, and Jamal Murray, another defender that teams like to attack, that completely changes the Miami Heat offense. Again, the Miami Heat were the worst scoring offense in the league during the regular season. They were second in scoring in the post-season, only behind the Denver Nuggets. So if they can add more scoring points to that, it gives them a better shot to win this series. And they're going to need to be where they're at right there, 111 to win the game, 115, 120 to win these games. And Tyler Hurley only helps. Yes, he will hurt a little bit on defense. But so does Duncan Robinson. So they're playing zone, and they all know how to play this zone. So you got to take that with the plus, with the bonus you get from him on offense. So let's take it back out there. Can you play on a broke hand? Like, is that like a thing you can pull off? I mean, the fact that it's been this long, it's mostly healed, I would assume. And again, it's his shooting hands. That's tough. He's dribbling. He's passing. He's doing everything with that hand. But again, this goes back to Spoe. He's not just going to change everything because Tyler Hurley's back. He's not going to limit anyone's minutes or to not play Duncan Robinson. No, he's not going to fix what's not broken. But Tyler Hurley can help. And you can implement in some part of the game tonight to give them a boost and to give them some scoring. We get one more outfit at least, though. And good for us. He's been rolled out tonight, Shoms? Or nothing yet? He's been rolled out tonight. He's been rolled out. One more outfit at least. Lucky, lucky eyes. The Corgi's back. It's the Nate Silver of Dogs. Oh, brother. Here's the deal. Once you get a big one wrong, do we have to listen to you anymore, Corgi? No, his credibility's out the window. Yeah, literally. He does have Denver in six or he. I'm not even sure. Which I guess could work. It's a she. Oh, confirmed she. Can we get a French Bulldog do this? I trust the Frenchie better. Can Gator do this? I'm going to stay away from the French Bulldog comments. No, you really can. My pug used to do it. Yeah, he can do it. Scoop time. That time of year. Always on the phone. Busy, busy, busy. What do you have for us? No doubt. So James Harden, he's going to be a free agent. He's going into free agency this next month or so. My sense is that James Harden is really torn right now on his free agency decision. I don't think he knows today which way he's going to go, but you look at the two teams that it'll come down to the Philadelphia 76ers staying in Philly or going and returning to Houston, his roots, his family there in Houston right now. I'm told James Harden is torn on where this is going to go. I would expect conversations over the next few weeks, especially within the sixers, Nick Nurse, Darryl Mori, meeting with them, and the Rockets will have upwards of 60, 70 million in cap space. So as we get closer, June 30th, July 1 gets closer, you would meet and do meetings and see exactly what both teams' visions are. But whichever way this goes, I'm told it's going to be close and I think any sudden movement as we get closer is certainly possible. So Chandler, when you look at it, going in Philadelphia gives you a chance, I think, right now to win Houston up-and-coming potential team. How do you handle the next few weeks if you're James Harden? Well, again, I don't know if this is a leveraged play, if this is, because he just went through the whole thing saying he wants Doc Rivers out, apparently, and they hired new coach, which seemed to be the guy James Harden wanted, and he knows that they don't have a chance of winning in Houston, right? So I know his time was there. I was there with him. It's a great city. It's a great town. They would love to have him back. They have zero chance. They would love to have the fans or the players. I don't even know if the players would necessarily want them back. I think Kim and Martin headed on the head the other day where this could possibly stunt the growth of a lot of these kids. Jaylen Green wants to be on the other side of the wing watching this happen, going into the prime years of his career. So I don't really understand it either way. I don't know if this is the guy that you want mentoring these young guys. I don't know if this is the guy that's going to help these guys grow. And when I'm James Harden, I'm sure maybe it's another year on the max deal or something they're going to offer that Philly won't. But you have zero chance of winning in Houston and you go retire there when you stop playing in a couple of years or whatever that may be. But it just doesn't make sense to me at all because all he needs is a championship to really stamp and he's not getting that in Houston. This is a guy that took less money last year, right? To bring in PJ Tucker to supposedly build a championship corps. This is a team. They went seven games with the Celtics. They were just right there. He had two big shots in that series. They had a couple of great games. He's told us time and time again. James, you've told us time and time again that you want to win a championship. That's all you have left to do in your career. He'll be 34 years old before he plays again. I don't understand why this is under consideration unless it's a wide gap in money and years. And then that makes sense, sure. But if he wants to win a title, this shouldn't even be a conversation. He's already taken less money. They're coming back with whatever the offer is now. I'm sure it's an incredible amount of money and it shouldn't be a decision. I don't understand what he looks like on the Houston Rockets. What does that do for Kevin Porter Jr.? What does that do for Jaylen Green? Two guys who need the ball in their hands. You're trying to groom to be your stars, as Kenya Martin said earlier this week. What are we doing? Did they have what, the third pick? They have another high pick. They have another person they're going to slot in there to try to build around. James will come a stunt that you mentioned earlier. The win a couple more games with James. Is this going to hurt their future as well? It takes them out of the tanking sweepstakes with him. They're going to win more games with him. I'm with you. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense for either way. I don't know why James would want to go to a way worse team. He's playing with the MVP in a great town with a real championship contention next year. Why leave that? He's on the poor slot and he's saying, I'll go get that Corolla. I will leave right now. The poor people are like, yeah, all right, bro. Very confused. And the coach thing too, I think, is big. By all accounts, he wanted to dock out. When you leave, it doesn't make any sense to me. Also, Daryl Morey comes from Houston to Philly. Then he's going to shoot. Yeah. It's just, it's all, the NBA is crazy. It makes sense. Make it make sense. More coaching news though. Yes. Frank Vogel, his coaching staff has said he signed a five-year, 31.25 million-dollar contract to be the head coach of the Suns. Then he gets Kevin Young on a deal to be his lead assistant, his associate head coach, over $2 million. And then David Fisdale is not coming on board as well. He's getting around $1.5 million on his coaching deal. So this is a Suns coaching staff that for their top three guys, their head coach, their lead assistant, their second lead assistant, a total of $10 million per year for those three guys, Vogel, Kevin Young, and David Fisdale. And I think you're starting to see a real, I think elite coaching staff being built in Phoenix right now. Matt Ishpia, James Jones, they're showing that they're willing to pay. Now we'll see if it turns into results and how Frank Vogel fills out the rest of his staff. All three of these dudes for the price of Monty Williams. Well, that is an outlier, isn't it? I will say David Fisdale is the man. He was my guy in Memphis. He is the coolest. He's a J.B. Bicker staff. He knows how to relate to players. He knows how to get the best out of players while still demanding respect from them. He's going to be huge. K.D. is going to love him. Devin's going to love them. He's going to have a lot of success. And I think he gets another shot at head coaching job. Yeah, I'm excited for Fis on this one. Yesterday, Frank Vogel, as you saw, was walking around. He had his press conference. A big introduction time. And DeAndre Aten is a big subject. What's the deal with that? Here he is. Yeah, well, I think he can be one of the best centers in the league. You know, I think he's shown it at times throughout his career. You know, I know he showed it when we played him in the playoffs a couple years back. And he shot about 80% from the field and deterred every drive, every cut, every effort to attack the basket. You know, he can be a big time deterrent. And there are still areas that he can grow offensively. But I'm intent on really connecting with him and restoring him to an all-star level player. It's crazy to me that we're still asking, what do we do with DeAndre Aten? I don't get it, but what do you think the future for him is in Phoenix? The fan theory is Frank Vogel wants him. Look what he did with Roy Haber. Look what he did with all of the bigs he had for the Lakers. I would imagine he does, too. And the thing for them is, they saw what the market was for him last year. Then they wrapped him up in a deal. We don't know what the market would be like this summer. I think they're going to figure out what the market is for Chris Paul as well. They have to figure out one, if they can even get anything for him, if it's better off to just keep him. And two, if it makes sense for Frank Vogel, and it sounds like it does, it sounds like he's excited, excited to have him and figure out what he can do. This is a number one overall talent. He was taking number one overall over Luca, over Trey Young. And nobody really batted a knock, because he was that good at Arizona. So, yeah, if you can make something out of Deandre Aiden in the same conference where you have Nikolai Okitz, obviously, and Anthony Davis and Kevon Looney and all these bigs that you had to deal with in the playoffs, you got to make something out of him the best you can. Yeah, and say what you want about the kid and the struggles that he's had in Phoenix. He's the top five center in the NBA and he has extreme value on this team and this roster, and he's a great piece to put with KD and Devin Booker. And for him, it's a huge breath of fresh air that he gets a new fresh start with a new coach because clearly there were issues with him and Monty and now this is almost a new beginning for him and I think they keep him. I think he has a really big year. That's crazy. He's always talking about it. All right, we're taking a break here. Well, we come back. Matt Barnes is in the studio, ready to say words, all of which will be... None of it will be controversial. I know this for a fact. What's up, buddy? What's up? What's up? Comfy, I see, huh? I know, I like this. How you doing? Good. I'm just a little vibe. Our guest today played 14 seasons in the NBA, won a title on 17, and of course, one of the hosts of all the smoke, Matt Barnes is here. And can we just... The podcast world is crazy, right? Yeah. You guys have one of the biggest ones. Did you have any idea all the smoke would be like this? No clue. We didn't even know what a podcast was, to be honest with you. When we started, we were just both doing Fox and ESPN, and we knew that we can kind of get away with a little bit more from an extracurricular standpoint on a podcast. And it was kind of a... struck lightning in the bottom when someone from Showtime happened to connect the dots, and I pitched them our idea, and they didn't really know we had. I didn't know we had, but they took a chance. And our first year out, we won Sports Podcast of the Year and kind of cemented us in this space, and we've been enjoying it and learning ever since. All those years of you guys being outspoken and saying whatever you wanted. Who knew it paid off? It paid off after basketball. Not during... It cost me during basketball. Yeah, we'll get to that. At some point, I want to start with a guy who I think he thinks he can get away with a little more than he probably can, but Jaumarant. We had the Adam Silver announcement that he's not going to make an announcement until after the finals about what's going to happen. Was it a good move the way Adam handled it? And what kind of a suspension are you thinking? I think they should have just kept the information to themselves because they knew they weren't going to announce it and they had the world buzzing because they said they didn't want to distract the finals, but now we're still buzzing because we're like, what's the deal? If he's going to hold off in announcing, it's got to be a huge suspension. So I think they should have kept it to themselves. On the flip side with Marant, I mean, image is everything. You know what I mean? And I think these young kids, we can't really speak to what it's like, feeling like you have to show every moment of your life on social media so people can validate you, stamp you and give you likes. My whole thing is I'm not for playing with guns, but if you know you guys like to play with guns, stop filming yourself. Like they're telling on themselves every single time. So I don't get like, why you keep telling on yourself? So I think the reason why this punishment has to be so harsh with Jai is because he's the next guy to kind of carry the NBA from American standpoint. You know what I mean? The European international players have dominated the MVPs and they got a handful of those guys in the top five right now, but Jai is along with Tatum and Booker and some of these younger guys that are supposed to carry the torch after Katie, Steph and LeBron leave. So I think he has to understand the bigger picture of what is being asked of him and then also, you know, once you start getting these shoe deals and these big drink deals like you have to just walk a little different. So I wish the best for him because we all know he's such a tremendous talent and he's must see basketball, but I also think he needs to learn a lesson and unfortunately this time I think it's going to be harsh, but I think he'll learn this time around. It's like Matt said, he's built up as one of the marquee athletes in this league. He has the Nike deals. The Powerade doesn't have the Powerade deal anymore. Did they take it? Yeah, they took that away. He's one of the, you know, NBA is putting him on their marquee. They're marketing that team, a small market team for primetime games and on network games. He has that responsibility. I know he's only 23 years old, but he has to understand what that is. And like you said, we only know about this stuff because he showed us. We wouldn't have known about any of this unless he showed us. The only thing we got to see that we weren't supposed to see was when the strip club leaked the picture. And that's what strip clubs look like. And that was kind of cool. Yeah. That was kind of fun. He had your brain in there and what else out of that. Like you said, we should have never known anything else. So we only know what they showed us and where their own accident or purpose or however you want to say it. So he could have prevented all this. He had plenty of reasons to do it and he chose not to. That's what he's got. The problem is it's the second time. You do it once and I thought the suspension was a little lenient in the beginning. It wasn't that big of a deal with everything. How sensitive the world is to this. Again, it's all self inflicted. And so I'm hoping he's taking this time to kind of find himself and get a smaller circle and find people he can actually trust and rock with and enjoy this life. People would do unimaginable things to be in the position you're in. Don't ruin that. You know what I mean. By the way, I worry too though if he is suspended an entire season and he doesn't truly get it, that's a lot of idle type for a guy who doesn't seem to handle idle time. As sad as it is, it could be the worst thing for him. It could be. Suspending for the whole year to give him all that time on his hands with the people that he's surrounded himself with. So I think it's going to be extreme. I think it's going to be close to 50. I don't think it's going to be a whole season. I don't think so either. I think it goes back to something that I've talked about for a while. It's just there's no veterans in the locker room anymore. We came in the league. I had vets that were 38, 39, 40. Some played, but most of them just contributed to the teaching. Although Steven Adams is a veteran, I guess he wasn't enough to get through these guys, but there were guys when I came in the league that would put you in a headlock. Or do some other stuff for you. You have a tremendous opportunity right now. Go ahead. Yeah, Steven Adams, you made a great point. He spoke up a couple weeks before the Denver Nuggets situation in Denver happened. So if you were a teammate of John Moran, what's your direct message to him? Headlock. I would probably sit him down and roll a little joint. Let's talk about this. Honestly, sometimes it really just takes a show that you care. Sometimes you can't just talk down and talk at people. You have to go down to their level and bring them up with you. So I think it's just really showing them that you care sitting down, having a conversation with them. And almost if it doesn't get through initially, just staying on them because making him understand how important he is to this team and to this game. You have a good point about the vets too because nowadays it's hard to see who scores the most points. But it wasn't like that back in the day. If I would do this back in the day, or James Hardman did this in Houston, like Marcus Canby, Sam Dump, these guys were on your head to fix it and to address it right away. Stephen Adams is much as a good leader and a good dude he is. He has no juice. He has no sabre or John Moran's actions. So it's different now. It's a different time. It's a different era. And the best player does what he wants. So Matt, you want to ring with the Warriors? Yes. Bob Myers just stepped down as President GM. How do you think that's going to be? That's going to be huge. I mean, Bob's been one of the most impactful front office guys for the last 10 years. And I think sometimes stuff just runs its course. I mean, being on a championship team, but then being on a part of a dynasty where every year the expectations are championship or nothing and he helped build that. So I just think he needed some time off. You know, I heard someone I can't confirm this stuff. And it wasn't from him that, you know, just the ownership was kind of overstepping, you know, their bounds. And I don't know if ownership actually fits their team. But I heard, you know, I heard that. So I think it's a standpoint where Bob's going to take a step back. I honestly thought that if Polinka didn't, you know, make the moves he made in the Lakers didn't make a run, it was going to be a smooth transition for Bob to come back home and move into the Lakers front office. But I think to credit, excuse me, Bob to come back and move into the Lakers front office. But to credit Rob, he did a great job at the trade deadline. The Lakers made this Western conference final run. And waiting for a great opportunity. And someone's going to throw a ton of money at him and once he's rested and back home with the kids all the time and be like, I think I need to get back on the road. I think Bob is going to make a move and wherever he ends up going, there's going to be a huge plus to that organization. I'll say this, as good of a job that is, I don't want to replace Bob Myers, right? Like everything he's done and he's kind of getting out at the right moment. They're kind of on the decline. Is the era over? I think Bob has huge decisions to make that impact kind of the future of this whole organization. So whether it's Mike Dunleavy or whoever it is, they're really, really, really big shoes to fill. And this guy, this guy did an unbelievable job. I feel like half this show is Chandler telling us jobs he doesn't want to do. Yeah. Well, the way these coaches are getting paid now, I might start now. Start thinking about it. I think the one thing that Bob, I'm guessing, got through is core intact. I think understanding that it's important to re-sign Draymond, you know, again, he's a guy that doesn't have his number to drop off the page, but playing with him and playing against him for so long, he is a heart and soul of that team and I think everybody knows that. Steph Clay know that and I know they've been advocating for him. So to be able to keep that core together, I think it was Bob's last goal and then now he's chilling. Well, I mean, from the outside looking in, it looks like they're almost forced to re-sign Draymond. You sit him down, you're trying to work it out. I don't know if that can be, you know, I actually had a, I was doing the King's Warrior series in Sacramento and I got a chance to sit down and fellowship with Draymond after one of the games since you like that word, right? I mean a lot of different things. And he told me he's just like, you know, I lost my voice almost until February in that locker room and he said, I saw a lot of slippage but I wasn't really in a position to kind of put my foot down and be myself and organize things and he said by the time he felt comfortable to do that, it was February. So that was a lot of bad habits that kind of went awry for almost a, you know, three quarters of the season and it was a little too late to, you know, kind of fix it once, you know, stuff hit the fan come playoff time. I wasn't worried. Obviously, you would like to see Jordan Poole play better. He was given a lot of money and he was great in last year's playoffs. You would like to see him better, but I wasn't necessarily watching that and I think Chandler he blew off Draymond and the way he wouldn't look at Steph when Steph was talking, I mean, you're dealing with Hall of Famers and although like I said, I don't know what their relationship is and if it can ever be repaired with Draymond, but at least pretend you're listening at some point and I just think he's one of those younger players that, you know, he got a lot of money played very well for that money but then next year he didn't come on perform. So I wouldn't be surprised if, you know, they could possibly be shopping him, to run with. I just look at it, I like to like, if you're Jordan Poole can, is that something you can get over? Like you do punching in the face in the whole world. It wasn't as bad, right? Hearing it, but when you see the video you're embarrassed. And, and Chandler, you know, like stuff like this happens all the time, but again, like the strip club thing, like this shouldn't ever got leaked. Like to me, they need to find out whoever leaked that and out that person but I think just having to deal with that every single day your family sees it, your friends see that and you have to go to work and try to mend this because now there's means and all this other BS that comes with it. I think if it would have stayed under wraps, it possibly, and then this again, this is a speculation could have been a little bit easier to deal with but I don't know if there is any mending that but to me, you just have to have a line of respect from a standpoint and we're on that court. It's a common goal. That's crazy. You're right, he's with these guys I mean, Steph was not happy in that way. Even him he needs to be aware that there's cameras everywhere even if this was something that wasn't his fault or whatever, you got to know what this looks like and at this moment, this magnitude of the game, you can't be doing this in fairness though, there was the moment where Anthony Davis sort of looked like he wasn't into the LeBron James celebration game. Like sometimes you just forget even in this day and age. We film everybody all day. We're going to see some funny stuff. It's crazy for Jordan pool because if you're him, they're thinking about what they're doing. He's got to fill the walls closing in. So it has to be a frustrating situation. Maybe it is something they can sit down and iron out, but I don't know, it looks worse by the day. Steve Kerr is doing Tramon's pot. I know. He looks like an outsider. Sides have been chosen. He looks like an outsider. For sure. So Sean is reporting that Kyrie trying to recruit LeBron to Dallas. Thoughts on that, the validity of it, the idea of them playing together again. What are his intentions here? I just don't see it happening. I think LeBron has set up stake in California with several houses. And his son going to USC now, his kid's getting a little bit older. I don't see him uprooting the family for one year because you got to think Bronny's all intentions to be in two years for Bonnie to be in the league. And Bron's goal was to play with his son. So I think it's wishful thinking by Kyrie. I think the Lakers came out and kind of said, hey, if we're sending our big dog your way, you're sending back it. Absolutely not happening. And then from the flip side, if you're the Lakers, you saw what happened with Phoenix. And it's kind of unfair to kind of judge Phoenix because they only had a handful of games together, but they were a very top-heavy team with zero depth. And that just doesn't work anymore. So if the Lakers were to go all in on Kyrie, you're giving away a lot of young core pieces that came in and really complimented your two stars really well. So as much as I would love to see LeBron and Kyrie get back together because I think LeBron will help. And if that does happen and Kyrie is able to get with him, because stuff happens so much, we'll forget about all the BS he pulled the last five or six years if he's able to get with LeBron and somehow win something. And I don't know where that would be, because we're in such a what have you done for me lately. So I mean, I think he understands getting with LeBron will kind of help fix his trajectory and his legacy because it's been a little checkered when it comes to playing basketball to say the least. I mean, I mean, there's no doubt in his unbelievable talent, a top five talent and you know, arguably one of the greatest ball handlers, one of the greatest finishers. I mean, when this guy is just focused on basketball, there's not, you can't name five guys better than him. Yeah. I also think it's like, it's a chess move, right? It's like Dallas fans look at me. I'm trying to recruit the best player of all times. I'm changed. I'm ready to fully buy from a basketball player to a basketball dad. And as a new father myself with my first boy coming in October, how has that been, you know, coaching, watching your twins? You know, you know, they're 14 now, headed into high school and it was, to be honest with you, it was the reason I retired. I signed a three year deal a year. I happened to get to go in the state and won a championship and I stepped away because I was just feeling like I was missing too much time and as a father it started wearing on me. So that was the main reason why I retired and from the second I retired, it was taking pride in our and 20 minute round trips, school drop-offs and coaching them in every sport they play. But it was just like those things you miss as a dad. So fast forward, you know, I coach them now. We have a top five AAU team in the country. Shout out my little guys. We're 14 years old. So it's just been a blast to be able to pour into them and being able to coast there. We could be able to keep our core together for like the last five years. So just kind of raising their friends as well. So fatherhood is the best job in the world and it's why I've turned down other jobs that that have been nice but they wanted me to travel too much and I just nothing comes before my kids anymore. So if I'm able to fit in, you know, media which I am now it kind of has to go around my children. So there's nothing like fatherhood and congratulations on the little man coming back. So what if he hates basketball? Oh, he's going to. Okay. I just want to make sure we were mentally prepared for that. We're taking a really quick break. We'll be we'll be right back. Matt Barnes not going anywhere. We have a lot more questions. Run it back. Run it back. Run it back. Run it back. Run it back. Run it back. We were talking basketball. In the break there. Matt Barnes still here. I know we want to talk finals, Chandler. Yeah. It's really in control. It's 1-1. I think Miami went in and did their job. But I've been impressed with their confidence, you know, when they lost game one and you saw Jimmy in the podium, it's just like, you know, everyone's smiling, you know, having a good time understanding we just need four games. So a confident team is a very dangerous team for them to go in to Denver and make that fourth quarter run and pull that one out. Just showed me a lot but it shouldn't surprise me because they've been doing this since the beginning of the season. They've been playing and then you run through Milwaukee, Boston and now you're 1-1 in the finals versus Denver. So, they feel confident with that being said, I just love the chess move between Spolster and Malone, two of the best coaches in the game and I know that Denver will be ready to do what they need to do tonight. So I think Tate game three but I think there's going to be a great series. So Matt, you had some legendary battles that got to take the best score every single night. It's multiple looks. The one thing I don't like about the game right now is I feel like the primary defender gets switched off too easy. They set these fake screens. To me, if you're the guy that's supposed to guard the best player, you're fighting through screens, you're going over, you're going under, you're being physical with them, you're giving them different looks. And Chandler will tell you, anytime you get cooking, I have to make these guys work. You know what I mean? I mean one thing, guarding Kobe was great scores are always going to be good defense but you just want to make them work. If Kobe or Jimmy or KD were going to score 30 on me, I want you to take 30 shots. I want you to know that I'm going to put you on the ground a couple of times with some hardfows. If you've shot big too much, I'm going to hardfow you. So it's just kind of sending a message knowing that it's going to be a long night but great offensive which I know, right? I feel like that's actually surprisingly low. It was for like a half a million though. Good. Now I want to know which one of those was the one that was money best spent? Do you remember? Man, I was I used to get fine for like pushing people. I remember I used to spend two games for pushing. You can't do that, man. Yeah, right. Like at least let me throw a punch. I remember I pushed Sergio Baca one time with that clipper and during that clipper to a two or three game suspension. So I think my suspensions and fines were more reputation. I don't really think I got any really like oh, I got him good. I'm going to take that fine like mine was talking back. Like you appealed all of them. Oh, absolutely. And Kiki you still yeah, I'm thinking either you see like guys going to have some leniency. Kiki didn't mess with me at all. I'm sorry, Matt, but you know what I mean. So I can't say that any of my money well spent. Because again, it was who I was. I was just a competitor and was willing to do anything to win. But I wish I would have got to earn more. Like at least let me throw a couple punches if you want to suspend me two or three games. Did you do any that you regret like trash talking anyone's mom or anything like that? Were you on that team then? Hey, that was crazy, man. And and sending my best to that family and Mrs. Harden, but she was talking reckless. She said some things that I was saying this to me. And I didn't know who she was. So, you know, me and it was so loud. It was during the playoffs. I mouth something that I probably shouldn't have mouthed. If I would have known it was his mom, I probably wouldn't have said what I said. But that was a big one. That was like 50 or 65,000. That was a big fine. That's so much for words. That was a heavy hitter. Those words were there. Yeah. Yeah. This guy not for TV. Yeah. Imagine. That's expensive. Yeah. Someone's mom. Harden's mom. Shout out. She's like in it. She got me. She got me. But, you know, after again, I'm someone who lost my mom had the most respect for for moms and what they go through. I just didn't know who she was. And I was thinking after I said, I'm like, she has to be someone's mom. She's sitting court side right underneath the hoop. So I'm just like, she has to be someone important. But after, I'm like, I'm like, I'm going to find her and try to apologize. And it took two or three times for her to actually at least shake her head to accept my apology. And I think Mother's Day was right on that time. So I gave her some flowers. Yeah. It was in the heat of the battle, man. You just, I'm trying to go to war every time. And if some people get in the way, sometimes they might catch a strike. It's crazy. The complete side topic. People will think they just don't know what to do and when they're walking in the tunnel, like I don't like that. And my whole thing is don't say nothing to me. You wouldn't say to my face on the street. If you have enough balls to say that in my face, I'll respect you. But I know 99% of the time it's because they know that we're kind of in a cage and we can't really do anything. So. All right. So your championship season, the 17 Warriors, I've talked with Kevin about this before. I think it's really tough to see any team beating them. We go all the 96 bulls, everybody. So is that got to be the most dominant team you've played on, right? Yeah. I mean, I think what stood out to me the most about that team was how ego-less it was. I mean, if you think you're bringing in a Rockstar coach, you have Steph Curry, you have Clay Thompson, you have Dre Montgomery, you have Andre Waddala, you have Sean Livingston, you have David West, and then you bring in arguably the best score, pure score of our generation, one of them. And to think that they fit seamlessly. And I think that's a credit to, obviously, the Warriors welcoming Katie, but just Katie in general, because Katie's been able to, you know, go to Brooklyn, fit in seamlessly, go to Phoenix, fit in seamlessly, and it's rare to see someone who can score the ball that well, seemingly see fit in. But to answer your question, that was a hell of a team, man. And I think it's hard to compare eras from a standpoint of Shaq. You know, Shaq was a whole another. And as much as I love Dre Montgomery, there was no garden, a Shaq. It's just kind of different kind of comparing who would have did this and could they have beat Michael. But this team had guys, three or four guys, they can give you 30 to 40 points any night. And there weren't too many teams in NBA history that can say that. And their chemistry was crucial. And I think that's what's most important, you know, fighting up these up and down battles and the ebbs and flows of the season. And that team was on one page the entire time. And it's almost while you see, you know, Steve Kerr not necessarily naming no names, but that locker room is not used to people pouting and kind of brushing people off. Like it's always been for the betterment of the team. And if these superstars can do it, how do you not do it? So that was a hell of a team. I just wish, you know, I came in that season when Katie went down and, you know, played a handful of games and literally the game he came back. I had like the worst ankle sprain in my life going into the playoffs. So I really didn't get a chance to play and that's what kind of what broke my heart was because I was in playing, you know, 20 to 23 minutes a game and I was in that rotation. I'm just like, oh, I'm finally here. Like this is, it's going to take a while. And, you know, really literally the game. So I never, I played 10 minutes with Katie. Katie came back. I got hurt that game and that was kind of it. But that team overall was incredible. Yeah. Speaking of that, you brought that up. You once said that you didn't count that as a championship because you got hurt the week before. No, I mean, yeah, my whole thing is like, you know, Chandler, I've always got hurt. And I wouldn't want it any other way because I had such an appreciation for the journey. And I finally get to a point where I'm on a team where I have a perfect role and I got hurt. You know, I would have been the guy out there guarding Kawhi. I would have been the guy out there guarding the Bronn and the Finals and the fact that I couldn't do that because of this bum ankle really hurt me. So it wasn't that I didn't appreciate the ring. I just didn't, it doesn't, like it's sat in it's sat in its little jar or it's just scatting its case on the bookshelf and I was going to ask if I didn't want it. It's just, I just don't count it. And the reason how it got, it's been some crazy story that I didn't want it. What happened was they did a special ring ceremony for me and I came back and my kid, the twins got rings too. And it was in this big old box and I went back and watched the game. So the PR guy, Raven Ritter, it's like, hey, let me put this in this office for you till the game's over. We bounced early. The office was locked and I'm just like, damn. So it went like I was thinking about it. But again, I appreciate just the opportunity and the organization and the people there are great. But yeah, I'm someone who needed to earn everything and I just didn't feel like I earned that. So nonchalant year and a half later. Right. I'm going to need my 85 diamonds. I need it now. You mentioned that you would want to run for political office maybe at some point. So Senator Barnes, first thing you do is what? What struck my eye in this was I'm from Sacramento and Kevin Johnson was the mayor. And to me, at first, it wasn't so much on the political side. It was more just I saw what he did to his former neighborhood and his former neighborhood murders were happening. My aunt got killed, throat slashed and left in the gutter in that same neighborhood. So to see what he was able to do in that neighborhood and in the businesses he was able to bring and kind of the life he brought back into that neighborhood really is just like, yo, if you can do this to Oak Park, I want to do this. Fast forward, I kind of got on the political side a little bit more just understanding process and policy and have helped push bills for the capitals. So it's something that I get, at like 34 or 35, I said at 50 I want to do it, but I'm like 43 now and it's getting closer and closer. So it's just like, if I'm going to do this, I need to kind of start. So it is something I'm interested in. I mean, if all the cards are laid how they should be by the time I'm 50, it'll definitely be something that I check out. That would be awesome. We'll help you. Yeah. You guys can all be in my cabin. Yeah. Matt, never a disappointment. Always great to catch up. Thank you guys for having me. Love that you were here. We will take a break. We will be back. Matt Barnes. Run it back. Run it up. Run it back. Run it back. Run it up. Run it back. We get in on the NBA finals action right from the first day with Fandle. 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I mean, listen, imagine him on that team alongside Jimmy and bam, it kind of gives them this whole other dynamic and Gabe Vincent has been great, but who knows if they're going to keep him and what he's going to demand this summer. But yeah, I mean, look what they're doing without Dame Lillard. You put a Perennial All-Star, a Hall of Famer, that would be something. So, I mean, shout out to Miami. If they can get him for Duncan Robinson and Kyle Lauer, he's contracted. Wow. Yo. You got Lino Messi. That's a pretty big hit. What to do an investigation on what Pat Riley has on the Portland Trail Blazers. But he is one of the better fits for him in the off market. I think the Nets are there as well. I think there's trade packages at work. And like Chandler mentioned, of course, he lives in Portland and it rains on him 250 days a year. Of course, he's looking at Miami like, yeah, I remember BAM from the Olympics. He was cool. I'd love to be out there too, buddy. But should they trade the number three pick? Should they? Because I think what we're waiting to see is what is the game plan for Portland? Because now would be the time. Miami also is obviously in a position right now to win. So, I mean, if you can anyhow, like I just said, if you can package a bunch of picks or get off Duncan Robinson's contract and you can somehow get Dame Lillard with this core they're the favorite to win it if they somehow land Dame Lillard. I'm just saying Katie's defense apparently the rule is you can't go to the team that is that lost the championship. So, he better hope they win and he can go. But you can go to the team that wins the championship. Yeah, I don't know what the rules are with this stuff, man, but it's a mess. It's weird. Look, there's an actual game tonight. We're kind of excited about it. Nugget's favorite by two and a half Chandler. Do they cover? They cover the spread two and a half. I think they win pretty easily tonight. Pretty easily. Yeah. I think it's close but I think Nugget's pulled out and win by eight. Not feeling that. I got Miami. I got Miami. We're going to be sick of those white shirts. We're going to be sick of the Seven Nation Army by the end of the game. The women in the gowns court side. We're going to be sick of DJ Callan, Diddy and young Miami. Is there any way any of the players on the Nuggets went out last night? No. Can you find out Chandler? I don't think so. They don't strike me as they're kind of pretty. I don't know. Michael Porter Jr. is a little young. Maybe he won. I don't think so. I'm not wasting a Miami night. I tell you that much. Dinner doesn't count. I'm not counting that. Eddie, you had Jim Wal-Murray. You did the first basket score thing correctly. The only one of us that's gotten even close. Who do you have for first basket tonight? I'll go with Bam. Really? I don't know. Get the big fellow involved early. Let's find him a bucket. I mean, that's been their pet play all series long. Man. Pick and pop to Bam. Back record is speak for itself. I'm going plus 800. Michael Porter. I think I did that last game and wasn't even close. But I think they're going to make an initiative to get him going, to get him involved, to get him focused on the defensive end and to have that happen for someone like that. You've got to get the shot going. You've got to get them looks. I like Michael Porter. Off a nice pin down jumper. Oh, you're doing the double. Was that a parlay? It's like the heat. They just say this stuff. Eventually you're going to believe it. You're going to be right one out of ten and that's what I'm doing. That's what I'm doing. I'm coming left right on the elbow. Do we think Messi will be at the game tonight? He just signed. I know. For like a billion dollars and half of that. He went to Saudi Arabia for four hundred million a year. They lured him from them. They lured him. Not everyone can be bought, Chandler. I mean, you can, but just in a different place. Michelle, I'll be at the game. Are you wearing this or are you going to wear all white? No, no. He has another outfit in the suit. Go all white. Full suit? Fondue? Eddie's been with me at the game. Yeah. Tye? No, Tye. A lot of pictures for some. He's an influencer. That's going to do it for us. We'll see you guys next week. Run it over. Run it back. Run it back. Run it over. Run it back. Run it over. Run it back. Run it over. Run it back. Run it over. Run it back. Run it over. Run it over. Run it over. Run it over. Run it over. Run it over.