 Good evening on that call of Monday, April 3rd, 2023. Regularly scheduled Berlin Select Board to order. With us tonight is Flo Smith on my left. Joe Stobb on my far left. On my right is Tour Nelson and Dave Sawyer. With us also is Vince Connie, Town Administrator, Diane Isabel, Town Treasurer. Additions or changes to the agenda. One addition, and that is for the acceptance of the fiscal year 22 audit as presented. Diane will be covering that. Nothing else. No other additions. Public comment, hearing none. Senior center request for funding decision. Okay, so this is a follow up before for the request. As you all are aware, in your package, you'll see a, from the town clerk, one of the requests was for cost. There's three different scenarios here for the cost of holding that special town meeting. In addition, I don't think I put a copy of this in there, but there was also a request about regarding the policy. So here is a copy of the policy. I did put it in there? Okay. Thank you. So that's in there for reference as well. The thing that I have, it was also a discussion about finding out what middle sex had done. This I know is not in there. I just received this late today. Rachel was able to get a copy of the minutes from the middle sex meeting with regards to how they proceeded with that. And basically they're looking at a similar method of having a special meeting and a town vote to follow up on that special meeting for that. The other question that they had raised was, they were looking into the idea of subsidizing the increased membership fees that middle sex would incur in lieu of the appropriation funds that they were asking for. Don't know what the difference in the amount is at this time, but if it is something the board is interested in, I thought there was going to be a representative here that we could ask, but there isn't. That's something that we can go back and look at at a later date and consider as well. But if there is a difference. Well, I mean, we can put that on the next agenda and give you time to find out. Right. So should the board, again, I've worked with Rachel on this. Should the board elect to go forward with this? We'd like to have the warning out for the meeting by no later than 17th of April. And then between the 17th and the 24th, hold the public hearing and the special town meeting between the 17th and the 24th. And then the day after the special town meeting have the vote here at the office for this. That would give us plenty of time, obviously to get it done and in before the tax bills go out as well to get those calculations in and get it revised. So that would be the schedule of events should the board elect to move forward that we would recommend. What date were you looking at? Warn it by the 17th of April. So two weeks, roughly from today within the next two weeks, warned the meeting. And then between the 17th and the 24th of May, hold the public hearing and the special town meeting after that with a vote on the day after whatever that day is that we have that special town meeting. You gotcha. So we can decide this on the meeting on the 17th and 17th? Yes, but that's cutting it pretty tight and we're gonna warn it on the 17th. Yeah, but what's the board's thoughts on this? I guess the first question is are they, are we gonna ask for them for a petition or not? If we're gonna ask for a petition and they're not getting it, that's kind of a move point. Yeah. So I guess the first thing is do we want them to go through the petition route? Because if we do, I think we should communicate that to them so they can get working on that. Then I think the second question is, which of these cost estimates, I'm assuming we're gonna make them pay for? Well, you can't see it should be on us. I don't, I agree, exactly. So that may figure into their decision if they want to pursue this option or not. I think that's very bad point. The recommendation from the clerk is not to use the tabulator just for this single, yeah. And just do a hand count. So it's that the hand count portion is the method that she's recommending. So it's a question to what they get, if they pay for it out of the 20,000, they get 17. Right, right. Roughly. There is some room to discuss the hand count amongst the board members as well. The question that the clerk had was, do we want to print and mail a postcard because she has this in the cost now to every voter and send it out to get the best chance of turnout for the votes on this. Because that's how that hand count section was calculated. Well, I would think that the cost that she has there for the hand count, I think that's fair enough. As far as tours, last one, I think they should go for the petition. I mean, I do too, but, yeah. And I'm in agreement with that, you know, based on. I believe at the last meeting, they mentioned that they were going to go ahead, they had a volunteer from the town. That's right. That was willing to move forward with the petition. I believe they weren't going to. I haven't confirmed if they have started that with Rachel or not, but I believe that was their plan, was to move with the petition as well. And I can certainly follow up on that and send a note out to the board members on the status of that. So if there was not going to be an increase of what they're requesting, they don't necessarily need petition, do they? They would pass the due date. They did go pass the due date. Okay, I almost thought in discussion, it was, we were going to overlook that portion of it. I would, it sets a bad precedent. I would rather build a distance. Okay. Any thoughts on the flow? I think in following up, that you're going to do Vince also inquiring with them in terms of the costs and what's been recommended from here. Like you said, there was the recommendation for the hand count. And it is a little over $1,000 for the postcards to every voter. So out of the total $2,889.04, $1,047.69 is the postcards. So I think reaching out to them, having that discussion will help us in making a decision. I guess my next question would be, what if they don't get a petition to us until the 18th? Well, I can't help but think they will do that. I don't think so. I would think they would send in the request before the due date as well. We'll pass that. Yeah, and you could include that when you follow up with them, the urgency of responding with the petition as soon as possible, and definitely well before the April 17th date. And then there's also the possibility that if they pick up that cost, and it's not approved by the voters, if we were to go forward with this process, that they would be out the additional money. There's no guarantees that it'll be voted in by. Correct. The residents of the election. Just again, so the board's aware that bottom box in there is money that is still available in the election fund account, according to the clerk. So we have some money there as well. If they go on this petition, is there any idea how many signatures they need to get? It's like 5% of the voter check there. Roughly 100 additional. Yeah, I think it's like 103 or 105. 100, maybe, something like that. Definitely under 125, I'd say. Yeah. So it's a board's pleasure here. I'd say I think Vince's timeline is fine to reach out to the senior center that our expectations is a petition, and we're looking at the hand count cost estimate would expect them to cover that. And they're made aware that if it doesn't grow, that they're incurring this extra cost. Right. Is that even up front? All of you would ask that, Tom. And then Vince will update us, so that'll be good. Okay, just send us an email, not an email, but just text me. So I just want to get this right. So if they agree to the terms, we're okay to, we're approving it and move forward. If they agree to the terms, is that what we're saying? Yeah. And I just need to notify you that they've agreed to the terms and we can move forward. And I can get Rachel a little bit on the April 17th, warning and all that stuff. Okay, if they don't agree, then we'll talk about it again on the 17th. Yep. Okay. Thank you. That's fine. Okay. Multi-use path update. So let me introduce Mr. Brent Rakowski. I hope I pronounced that correctly. Oh, you did. Excellent. Okay, thank you. From Honor Creek Engineering, to give us that update on where that stands and he'll share his screen, so it'll be up on the screen as well. So thank you. As Vince mentioned, my name is Brent Rakowski. I'm with Honor Creek Engineering. We have been working with the town now for much longer, I think, than Tom would like us to be working for the town. We are close to pushing a year now in terms of working on this project and actively working on it. So understanding the board has some time constraints and I'll try to give you the 5,000 or 50,000 foot view of where we're at and where things are going here. And unfortunately, I think that my controls are behind that. Oh, there we go. So the multi-use path in the Newtown Center area is a V-Trans funded project. The funding for our scoping study has been partially funded by V-Trans. I believe it's a 90-10 match. And as part of that, funding comes along a number of different processes steps. So just quickly, in terms of where we were at and some of the deliverables that we needed to do, some initial kickoff meeting with the town and some project stakeholders, just to review the overall scope of the area that we were looking at studying. And then we moved into the first of three public hearings to gather public input. And the first initial one is the local concerns meeting. So that one ahead. And we helped define the project a bit more. And it also led to what's called a purpose and need statement. That purpose and need statement is a deliverable required to be provided to V-Trans as part of the funding and to make sure that we're following along with that program. So as part of that local concerns and purpose and need was developed, that again, really defined the direction of the path moving forward. From there, we came up with an alternative presentation in consultation with the town. We looked at different options for a pathway that circumnavigates, that cuts through the Newtown Center, taking into consideration really all the master planning efforts and all the planning efforts that have gone into the Newtown Center to date. And with that in mind, those alternatives were also geared to meet and comport with the purpose and need statement that was developed. From that, I'll turn to its presentation. We then put together the cost estimate and timeline. So I do believe that a final scoping study report was shared with the town. Tom has a copy of that. I'd be happy to share that with members, if you like. With that in mind, right now we are at a stage where following review with you folks in everything seems to be okay. Our next step as the consultant and the part of the deliverable or our requirement is to then submit that to VTrans for a final review. VTrans will review it, offering comments, critiques. Hopefully there are not many, but that's that we would expect some. So we're right now, we're at that stage, but wanted really to update the board on this and make sure you folks were informed of where we were at in the process. So that was really the overall process. In your packet, there are excerpts. These are actually pages from the final report rather than create different things and just grabbing that same information. The study area, if you will, and I apologize for the probably the size on the screen, the study area is identified in the red line, the red boundary around the, what is quote unquote the town center area. And that's the area that we looked at really coming up with alternative alignments on. Also, in regards to those alternative alignments, we looked at, I'm just gonna skip through here, this really, this slide here, where that next sheet just talks about more about the public involvement component of that. As part of the alternatives, we looked at a number of different things that are really set up by VTrans. And those look at local regional issues, impacts to natural resources and historical and archeological impacts. So we looked at those, then we looked at implications behind permitting, what types of permits might be required with the different alternatives. And then we looked at really the engineering aspects of it. Is it a challenging engineering alignment, if you will? And then what goes into the construction of it? The types of materials, are there safety measures that you can put in place? And then everyone's favorite topic is cost. So that was part of these alternatives that we have put together. And just, I guess just to be clear, the alternatives portion of this was an entirely separate meeting that was held. I wanna see it back in August. August with the Planning Commission. Okay, so that since that time, there has been ongoing efforts at the Newtown Center that has actually led to a slight modification that shows up here in Figure Four, which is a prior alignment iteration, I will say. That's the, try to term we tried to use to define that. There was a change. It was a deviation from what was presented in the Alternatives Analysis, but it came as a result of ongoing efforts in development that's happening at the Town Center. It's a, the intent is that this is somewhat of a fluid document, understanding that as parts and pieces of the Town Center gets developed, there will ultimately need to be coordination with prospective buyers, with the reviewers to understand and implement some of the goals or some of the scoping that's been identified. So in, and just to I guess point out with this alternative iteration, it's part of the scoping study, I think the, I think, or our suggestion recommendation is the two things that really came out of that were wetlands impacts, previous wetlands impacts that were part of the mall development and the challenges associated with really minimizing further impacts to wetlands and maybe even correcting some of those historic impacts. So moving forward with that in mind, the intent is, and the process was really to try and document as best you can that you're minimizing or you're making reductions to wetlands impacts, and that goes, really works in the Town's favor moving forward. Army Corps or the state wetlands people, they all want to see efforts to minimize. That's one of the key components. So this is, again, one of those efforts that were identified. Right, before you move on to that, that realignment had a reduction of the impact of the wetland buffer by about 9%. So that was a significant improvement over where we were. So I think the agencies, regulatory agencies are going to look very favorably on that realignment and I think it's good for the town of Berlin. Thanks. Thank you both. And the other aspect of this is the evaluation matrix. Again, this was part of the Alternates presentation to really focus on somewhat of a visual in terms of what alignments may be better than the others. I will point out that the wetlands that you see in the evaluation matrix that's in your packet does have a few that are, at least the wetlands, it is a orange shade, a yellow shade and a green shade. They all say yes to them, and I apologize for folks if there's any color visual challenges, but the idea there is that they all have some level of wetlands impacts, one is more severe than the other and severity would be the orange, the yellow is not so bad and the green is good. So then that was the evaluation matrix and then we looked at anticipated project costs. And at this stage, this is really a scoping study stage. It's very conceptual in nature, but what we did do is utilize the path alignment looking at different crossings, the type of material. This would be, we were proposing a matuminous asphalt, so just an asphalt path. And then we utilized V-trans standard pricing from the last, actually it was pre-pandemic, but we put in an adjustment factor for that and also carried a healthy contingency of 20%. So as I'm sure folks are aware that there's pricing for construction materials for paving and asphalt have been all over the place, I'm hoping that those have somewhat stabilized and have become a bit more predictable. And then I guess with that, it's all I have for you. Unless you have questions, again, I'd be happy to follow up on any questions, provide some additional detail as needed. And I guess thank you for your time. I appreciate the opportunity to present for you. Thank you for being here. I had one question when you were explaining under the engineering materials and safety. You said determining whether it was a challenging alignment. Was it determined to be a challenging alignment? So not so much the alignment, but whether or not there were, I'm sure I phrased that wrong or incorrectly is that there are certain pathways where potentially a bridge may be necessary or some other type of specialized equipment might be needed. This is not the case. Thank you. The next steps as far as my thought process is V-Trans tends to be the funding agency for these types of projects. Having it an approved scoping study makes you eligible for the next round of funding. We were, we talked in house, Vince and I thought this project would progress in segments that you probably wouldn't build it all at once and we'd build it in segments. V-Trans doctrine doesn't really allow that because we have to do a final design, as Brent said, this is just, this is not a final design yet. So you have to do the final engineering and if there are V-Trans monies for that but if you do the final engineering then they require you to build it, whatever you design for. So we're looking in house now to get the final design monies outside of V-Trans and so then once we get a final design we could then build it in segments, the segments that the town can afford and without having to build the whole thing and incur all that debt at once. So that's the thought process we're using on the go for. And in terms of moving forward with V-Trans, what do you anticipate would be the timeline of turnaround and decision per se? Good question. So it is, as Tom mentioned, it depends really, I think it's contingent upon a couple different things. One is really coordination with potential landowners and developers there. How that site is broken up, that may really drive which segments the town decides to proceed with first. Understandable. And then, I guess to answer your question, I think segment contingent is, you're looking probably at three to four years to go through the V-Trans type process before you can get to construction. I think that's a reasonable time frame. Thank you. You're welcome. And I guess just as a frame of reference and some of you may be aware of it, through that V-Trans process, there's very similar to the steps that I showed on the, I think the first slide. Excuse me, there are a number of similar steps in the design progression standpoint. And one of those happens to be what's called categorical exclusion, it's environmental review. That is often not done in Apple. That is often reviewed at V-Trans but then also set on a state. And the timeline on that can be upwards of six months. Similarly, when you get very close to the design or the construction level drawings, you go through a right away process. And that is also six months plus, depending on the number of properties that you have to get access to or temporary easement. So that's a year right there. So that chews up a lot of time and then there's a number of different design steps, 36 to 90 on design reviews. More questions for Brett? Brett, do we, does the board, to move this V-Trans, does the board need a motion to approve it as is now, to set it to V-Trans, will V-Trans look for that or? My understanding is that V-Trans does not need any action from the town. I think it obviously doesn't hurt with the understanding that this is, and let's see, final product, but we're anticipating another level of review for V-Trans. That's where we go from here. If there's support for the document that we put together this farm, that would be helpful. More questions for Brett? Well, the other thing I was gonna ask was about the wetlands. You mentioned about the historical and coming up through the process. And what would you say where is that at in terms of where you are with the process? Well, I know that I personally haven't been involved in the conversations. I know that Tom has met out on site. We have a natural resource psychologist. She has had conversations with the state. The program manager for V-Trans is well aware that there's wetlands out there and that historically there's been permits for wetlands impacts. So that is a flag that just goes up in a file somewhere and so he said, well, there's already been impacts. So it undergoes a lot of scrutiny. What I will say, I know that there's at least last year I know three or four meetings that have already happened to talk about what the approach is and how to minimize those. And those are the first levels of really getting through the gate with those folks and just gaining some consensus and approval from their end. What they wanna see, the big thing from a wetlands and I don't know if you know, but I think the big decision point for wetlands permits, whether they before or not, is demonstration of avoidance, minimization of avoidance. So if you can demonstrate that you're doing that, then that helped very well for the meetings. Excellent. Thank you. Again, any questions for, more questions for Brett? If not, thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much for your time. I really appreciate it. Thank you, Brett. Thank you for coming. And I don't mean you to do it, but I'm gonna head out. I think you have a long drive. Enjoy your evening. Thank you. Enjoy your safe travel. Thank you, Tom, for all your efforts as well. Thank you, guys. Have a good night. Okay, hilltop, 68 review update. So yeah, this won't take long. We had a, the chief and I had our 60 day follow up with the hilltop and the state regarding on how things were progressing and so on. Nothing earth-shattering really to report. We've reached the agreement with the hilltop. Funny enough, since that agreement has been reached, there has been a decrease in calls. We know and understand why and we're dealing with that with them as well through the chief. We, right after we reached the agreement, they requested for us to consider allowing more rooms. Again, we said no. We hadn't even been a week into it. When we had our weekly meeting with them, we said we need to give this a couple of weeks to see how it goes before we do that. So the following week, we did authorize them 10 more rooms. And again, that was, the state worked with us on that as well as far as applicants, the chief knowing the hilltop and having discussions. Again, no significant increase at that time. They have asked again, and we've said no again for additional rooms to go up to the maximum amount. The other thing that came up so that you're aware if you hear anything about it, you should be aware, is last weekend, they had asked us to consider more rooms for a different program, which we weren't aware of, nor was, the town wasn't, the chief wasn't, none of us were aware of. The state had asked them to start housing some immigrants that had come in and they were looking for housing. Unfortunately, neither the chief or I got the request in time to respond over the weekend. We did, the chief did actually talk to them on Monday. I actually talked to them as well on Monday to let them know that we weren't interested in increasing any more rooms at this time for any additional programs as well. So they did have some come in over the weekend from the state. I believe they were Portuguese. So our concern from the town, the chief, is the fact that without us knowing that in advance, there's no real good way, if there is an issue, to know what you're headed into to be able to respond. These people don't speak the language, they don't understand the language, so right out of the gate, a translator's needed. The chief has no way of, without the state providing some information to have something like that readily available should an emergency arise, right? So that's one of the major concerns now with that, if they're looking at increasing that program here in town. So we're gonna talk to the state at our next hilltop meeting next Wednesday, have some further discussions around that with them, how to mitigate some of these issues. So that's the latest development over there. We did have another meeting today in Montpelier with Barry, Montpelier and ourselves there with regards to the program, the concerns around the program coming to an end. Some of these people are gonna be displaced. Where are they gonna go? Probably with the weather improving, homeless encampments somewhere in Barry, Montpelier or Berlin. We're kind of brainstorming together now, how do we manage that better and mitigate that as much as we possibly can? Are there going to be, for lack of a better term, some allowable encampments that maybe they're directed to in the three towns? Again, there's pros and cons and some risk with that as well. The state's predicting about 160 people will be coming off the program between April and the first of June. So I think it's the 15th of April in the beginning or middle of June that they'll be coming off this program. They believe that about 40% of those, 160 will be relocating back to where they may have come from which is outside of Washington County. That still leaves about 90 individuals, roughly, to find someplace to go. Now these Eric families, these are gonna be single, most of them are single or couples. No families that we're aware of at this time. Again, that's the other issue. We don't have specifics from the state to know. Who, what, what are the services that these people need? What are their issues, right? We don't know that at this time. So we're actually talking, the three towns are talking about approaching the state, saying we need a better plan. And we also wanna talk about the immigration issue as well. Again, let's learn from our mistakes, not repeat something similar again. So that's all going on as well now in the background. But that's my quick update as far as the hilltop goes. The communication is there now. It's in place every week. It's either the chief, me, or both of us there meeting and talking with them, understanding what's going on, and working together a little bit to manage that. So if there's any questions? Yeah, Vince, I just, so I understand this correctly. Since this went into effect, you allowed them to increase by 10 rooms. This new program, was that above and beyond the 10 rooms that you allowed them to increase? Well, it looks like it didn't go above the allowance, but that was just coincidental. Had they filled the rooms with the voucher program, it would have been above. But they hadn't filled it that time. Well, that's fine. That's why I was just curious. They sounded to me like maybe they'd increased to 10 rooms in this new program, and they had more rooms. That's the way I understood it. It could have happened, but it didn't. It didn't, okay. I was at the last meeting, but I won't be able to be at the upcoming Wednesday meeting, so if anyone else on the board would. Then this was our regular meeting, anyway. Oh, the regular one, okay, very well. Which has a state representative in it now. Excellent, thank you. And the calls? The calls that have been down, is it because they've directed the desk not to call? Is that, do you feel that, or is it just that things have slowed down? The, how can I say this politically correct? We believe that it is most likely due to the fact that they've said not to make as many calls right now. That's the word on the street that we have it. You kind of almost see that, all right, I kind of thought that would be their status quo and say, don't call unless it's a major issue. Exactly, that's what we believe at this time. Okay. Any other questions for Vince? So the calls that they are going on there, they are of a more serious nature. Something that they can't handle or contain. Yeah, or contain themselves. And their allowance right now is, although they were allowed the 10, and they had asked for an additional 10, they are still within the maximum. They haven't received the- Correct. Yes, that's, so it's 10 shy of maximum. And they did ask for the extra 10, at least I know. Correct. And that extra 10 puts them at max? It will. It'll be at max. Any other questions? Thoughts, okay. I guess so, yeah. So going to that second program with bringing in the immigrants, and I see this as being a very different program, and probably unfortunate. And by the way, that was a family, I understand. You know, probably unfortunate to Max. But anyway, do they have programs there for the immigrants? They're just housing them. That's all they're doing. Correct. Well, I didn't agree. Again, we're not even really aware of any of that. Well, what they need, what their needs would be. Right. Anything. They're just- They're housing their family of immigrants there. They work. I'm not even sure that they're still there, but I think they were there for maybe five days. So at your next meeting, you'll be able to find out what- Wednesday, we'll find out what the status is. And probably what the state has asked the hilltop to consider or not. We'll find that out. Those are the questions we'll be asking about Wednesday. Thank you. Anything else? Okay, treasure discussion and decision on moving to- Paytchips. So you have a proposal in your package that kind of details the homework that Diane has done on this? Okay, so just to make you aware, the reason I wanted Paytch- Now, we've been with Paytch data for 10 years and we've been bought out by another company called Shure. The last two years, because of COVID and because they didn't have sufficient workers, they lost a lot of workers, their service has become horrific. For two years ago, the board had approved that we could offer a pension program to our employees as pay related only. I cannot get them to set it up. I can't. They won't set it up for me. They don't have anybody to help me. And there's other codes that I use. We call them earnings reduction codes. And they've had me set up. They don't work correctly. So a lot of the work that I'm doing on payroll is manual. So if you look at like the payroll, you see I got that little yellow sticker back. It's because I've done all these calculations and I've input this stuff manually. It's just not working. And the prices have gone up. And there's no one to service us unless what I have to do in order to get service. I can't just call somebody and say, hey, I need some help. No, you have to go through an email and then they have to review it, then they'll get back to you sometimes. So if I do get to somebody, they're very helpful. But there's nobody assigned to us and I never get the second person twice. And a lot of the times people say, I can't help you. I need to put it to another level. And that other level never calls us. So all I'm saying is this is, it's just yellow. And I've been with PayData actually for prior to this 20 years. I've been with them 30 years and I've never seen anything this bad. So anyway, as we call this Paychex company, and the price that they offer, the fees that they're offering are very similar right now to what we're paying PayData because PayData comes with Visa. The only extra fee they have in here is what they call one-time fee, implementation fee to set us up for $500, which would be over budget. But we do have software support for $1,000. So if I could use $500 towards that, we definitely have the money to help with that. But all I'm saying is I'm thinking, and talking to the Paychex, I think that they can offer us what we need. And actually, Vince is very familiar with them because he's had Paychex in his past. And they can meet your coding requirements. So that's what I'm asking. And they can handle all the different, especially the police department rates. And that's what they're telling me, and I have no reason not to believe it, because I'm sure that we've been support in the past, they had a lot of different pay codes. Oh, yeah. Yeah, my experience with Paychex was good. I mean, they even have an app that employees can download on their phone and they can see their checks, they can retrieve their tax information, all that right through the app as well. I'm just thinking that I would really like to move away from PayData and work with Paychex. Any contractual penalties, change it? Not that I'm aware of, because we've been with PayData for a very long time. So I will give them, you know, like a 30 day notice or something like that. And the only question I had was looking at the investment summary, the first year total. Annual total was 3,077.76. But it's not all factored in up here. I wondered what the difference was of that figure. There's another page? No, it's just that you have to look like the 176. Oh, I see, times the units. I didn't see that, excellent. Yeah, because the units are the employees. Right, of course. So that's where it could change. We get 30 employees, it's gonna be more if we have less. Correct, excellent. Okay, good. So I'm really thinking it's very comparable to the exception of that one-time fee to our paying right now. It might be even a little bit less. And using the funds that you said you had is no problem at all. And there are two other towns that they know that they want to name them, but the ones that I have a lot of faith in, that they'd go from paying the two paychecks. And I reached out to them and they hadn't answered me yet. And can we make this choice without an RFP to other entities? Can we go? I'm thinking that we probably, I know it's, well it's under $5,000, so I think we could. And plus there's not that many available. I mean you get paid data and paychecks, pretty much a, I mean there might be smaller ones, but. Yeah, there's a few smaller ones to local banks and stuff, but nothing at this. Right. This model. Yeah, I think over 5,000 assets are supposed to be a bit. Right, and this is under. And basically all you're doing is changing one service for another without any great financial change. Excellent, not really a factor. I'd be willing to make a motion to give Diane the authority to give them 30 days and change the paycheck here from the current contract. I'll second that. Thank you Diane. No stipulations about your return calls. You're confident that you said you were, you contacted two other municipalities about how they like paycheck? They haven't called me back yet, but I'm not, you know, anticipating any type of issues. I mean these are, I'm not going to name them because I think it would be rude to name them, but these are ones that I have full faith in. If they went to paychecks, well that's telling me everything I need to go through. I'll just simply amend that motion to that as long as there's no contractual penalty impacts. What? I mean is there enough for everybody? I could just have some. Oh. Yeah, I'll find out for sure, and then if there are none. Who seconded this motion? I did. You don't have to care what that meant to get. You are there. Okay, any other discussion on this? Hearing none, all those in favor? Aye. All right. Motion carries. Charger is update. Okay. You have a pamphlet in your package, as well that she's dying to talk to on that. My pleasure. Which I've also sent to you, but I think it's just a quick look at it here. So what I've done is a bunch of, we're almost to the end of the, we are at the end of the third quarter that ended last Friday. So I'm just looking to see where we stand, and I think that we're in pretty good shape. Not knowing what spring is gonna bring, obviously, we just don't know that piece, but I think the winter was not as harsh as it could have been. So I think there were probably some savings there. So in going over the income items, I think that some of them are slightly up, which is good. We've received more from the state for the highways, but as far as licenses and fees, I'm thinking that that's, I'm pretty sure that we could be probably right on the money or maybe a little bit above. The town clerk has actually made a little of what I was expecting. So I think that we're in good shape there. Interest, actually, that we're going down the page, we made more money because the bank now is paying more interest than what we have in the bank. Significant money. So that is a very good something to happen. In assets, we did sell two of the vehicles, the police vehicles, so we were looking for them there. The police, I'm not anticipating anything there. And now I'm going into the expenses. Okay, so as far as the budget and the administration, right now you're seeing that the assistant treasurer's pay is in there. That's going to be paid through our bill, but I'm only, I'm going to do that at the end of the year as one entry. Okay, so that will come out of there at the end of the year, but you know, to do it every pay period, you're just being crazy out there that will come out. And as well as for pay, the things that are, you know, go along with the pension, the health insurance, all the things that go along with the bank are all coming out. I'm only going to do it one time, the pension. So I think that we're going to be pretty much on target, otherwise, I think we're probably a little over time again, more with Tom than me on that one. And I think that we've been keeping track of Tom's pay so that some of the other departments can pay for the payroll, such as Planning Commission and DRB as appears to be moving for the overtime's one, too. And then just to, the records restoration happens right on the budget. That's one book, basically, that was taken here. That doesn't happen all that often, where you have that huge amount for one book, but we can't anticipate things like that will be happening in the future, too. These books are getting older in the vault and it's, the fee is extraordinary, too. Well, when the records are going to the digital, the maintenance of those books should go down. Absolutely. They'll all be digitized. Well, the things they won't be worn out so much. Right now, we're taking books that are really worn and those are not being replaced out. So I would imagine they'd last a lot longer. Maybe they should be replaced, but they could probably go into 10 years or something like that. I just, I did learn from that one. The other thing in the assessing department, that is going to probably be a little over budget and that has to do with them moving the trailer and having to buy supplies for the trailer, like desks and printer, so that they'd have the equipment they need in order to operate. That's one time I don't anticipate that being every year. It's just this year, we had to give them the equipment they needed, so that's going to be over budget. Meetings and elections, I think that's going to be under budget. The insurances, that will be over budget, but just because, well, number one, I told you that Calde's, that will go for ARPA, however, Chelsea is on the, is also on the insurance that we have. Hers is two person, we're the person that worked before her, which is single. So when I do the budget, I always want to buy them what we have in the office at that time and what plan they're on. So that one's hard to calculate in any other way. So that is going to be higher. The zoning, that has no expenses yet. DRB, I'm not anticipating that being any issue. The planning commission, if you look at that right now and you say the actual 103,000, that's going to change. That is all the fees right now for the bike path and Fisher Road Diet. And once I'm reimbursed for that, then that will come out of there. We will have an income item. I do believe that the total that will be coming out of pocket from the planning commission on those two projects, I think it's like $23,000 that's left that will come out of the planning commission. When everything is said and done. And this person was speaking about tonight, the bike path, he's saying that sounds like it's pretty much done. So I'm really hoping that Fisher Road and the bike path will be done by June 30th so I can try to get this money back and then just have it all cleaned up. So that's what I'm going to say here. Other boards and commissions, I think we're in good shape there. Cemetery's that'll probably be right on. We'll start mowing again in May. Taxes and assessments, I think we're probably okay on that. Town offices, that is going to go over. I'm sure that it is right now. The new server setup, if you look at the software support and IT, that new software, when we said the new server, it took a while to set it all up. I mean, some of it was an FY22, but a lot of it was an FY23. We also got new laptops, and I think the laptops are pretty through America, but as far as the configurations and all the other work with the laptops that's in there. And then the mowing is, I was looking at the maintenance and the mowing was higher than anticipated. We put that out to Bids last year and that was more than I anticipated it would be. I think that was in like a two year or three year contract. Yeah, yeah. General expenses, I'm thinking that's probably, well that's probably going to be a little bit over. I was anticipating we'd have $20,000 for CPAs services and audit. And then when it went to Bids last year, we only had one bidder, and that bidder was $28,000 from self-enempower. And so we are going to be over budget on that. I have a question. So at one point, I think we were talking about, you know, cleaning up some maintenance here at the building. And this is going to be for next fiscal year that we're talking about spending any kind of money on the interior of the building. Okay. Yeah, all right. We've been talking about buildings and things in the very near future in some meetings. Once we get some information back from the Economic Development Committee quite honestly, I want to hold off until we have a better idea of where we're going to go before we decide to do anything here. Maintenance perspective, very heavy in this building until we know what we're going to do. Police services, I'm quite certain that it was going to go over. Being one of the National Guards for a month. We have one that's going to be gone for a month for military training. I think it's in May. Yeah. We have one, just talking to the Chief today, that's going to be gone for a couple of weeks in June. And another one in either the June or July timeframe that'll be out as well for two to three weeks. So once again, that will probably be... Even though we're fully staffed, we'll have people working overtime to cover those shifts. And we do have a new part-time person who will do this cover. Well, at least we're fully staffed there. Compared to what we were. Yeah, and we're a lot better than most everybody else in the state, quite frankly. And we'll have some reimbursement from the Hilltop, too. Yeah, for some of that. Yeah. And I think that there are some expenses for the vehicles. And just maintaining the vehicles is costing you more and more all the time. And we've had great jobs and we've had a lot of work done to our vehicles. Just regular where I am work. But if there's a lot more of it, because the current is getting warmer, our fleet is getting warmer. And then as far as highways, I think that we're a really good shake of the highways. I'm anticipating we will, obviously, we'll have more payroll for summer roads because that's coming right up. And I think that maybe we'll have car rides. I just think that we're, I think we'll still be under in them. But that depends on once again, blood season. So if it stays weighted right now, we'll be fine. The winter roads, I think that we were good on that. By the way, we will be adding $61,000 to the salt bill. You just, I finally received the billing from Cargill and we paid that today, now $61,000. So that's going to go into this category. So that's going to be bringing up how much we spent for winter. We finally got them to send us some bills. Yeah, and that should catch us up. We should be under on that overall. Yeah, I think that, yeah. I don't think we're expecting any more salt bills on that. So we should be good. We'll actually be under budget. Yeah, I think he even thinks to have a small inventory of it too. We're going to ask him to stop in the shed. Yeah, I don't know much about the shed, but I know that he was anticipating having some leftover. And also he's anticipating at this point having some leftover as far as the gravel. So as a practice with salt, do you try to not add inventory? It's not like you fill your shed up at the end of the season. No, no. Okay. Exactly. It all depends, right? On the weather, we base it. Since I've been here, we usually base it on the year before and kind of try to forecast it that way. If we don't have a lot of ice, we have some leftover. If we have a lot, we're going to be close, right? So the one thing we want to, we probably overestimate a little bit is the one thing we don't want to run out of. You know, salt and sand in the winter. That won't be good for any of us on our phone system. Okay, so now on page six, Highway General, we still think that we're, I just don't see that going over. And Highway Other, I don't anticipate that going over. Capital Budget, Highway Instructures, Highway Equipment Instructures, that's mostly grants to be reimbursed at this point in time. I don't think I'll get reimbursed this year, but we'll keep it up, you know, we'll keep it up until next year. And then the police equipment was picked, please pick up and you have to speed on that. And I'll be sending reports each month. Did anybody have any questions on this? Well done. I like that you're going to send them monthly. And this is a lot of work and kind of break down. I do want to get back to where we were on the board before, but the audit just took up so much of my time and I just focused just on, you know, for 20, nine months. And speaking of the audit. Yes, okay. So I did send you the finalized audit. I didn't add it in here because there was a lot of paper and I'd already discussed it, which agreed. I'll be answering the findings. I mean, I don't think there was anything out of the ordinary, because like I said, I've talked about it before. So I'm just looking for you to say, you know, you're okay with it. If you've got any questions, I'm more than happy to answer them. So you're ready for? You're going to answer them? No, I'm not that optimistic. No. You're good with us accepting it then at this point? Yes. Oh yes, very much. After the discussion we had. Yes. Your emails we had. Yep. And like I said, if you had any questions on the findings, we had talked about the findings at quite a few different meetings. So I don't think they were, none of them were all that significant. The one that was significant had to do with an entry, I mean, the past year, which was against the GALA accepted. Was that addressed in the response? Yes. The father-in-law had accepted it. Yes. I don't think I put that. It was your, no, I just said that. Oh, we submitted the answers and they accepted them? Yes, we did. Okay. Yes. So, all our answers. Yes. I move that we accept the FY22 audit as presented. I second. Thank you. Any further discussion? Hearing none, those in favor? Aye. Motion carries. Now looking forward, I don't know how the statement of work was worth it, you know, on this bit process. What are the chances of getting Ms. Townley moved up for FY23? As far as the audit being able to put into the town report? There is just one issue, and that was in one of the findings too, with Montpelier. I have to get the true report from them. Now in the past, I'd get the true report in like July or August of the next fiscal year. The Sullivan powers said no, we can't close this audit until we have it. I can't make Montpelier give that to me in December because they're not gonna have it, I hope that. So, I just don't know, I mean, otherwise not, I think I'd have all the other information together, and I pretty much did. We've been waiting mostly with this one piece, and I can't make it happen. So, I don't know. Because our previous auditor didn't have any problem with that. Correct. And we put that in the statement of work, that we would have a draft by December, and the final, to be appointed in the town report. There were two things at play here. One was the new auditors, the new requirements. And that takes, I understand they've got to get these two auditors. The second thing was why we got a sole aid from Montpelier. I had a conversation with Bill Frazier on that, and he apologized because he knew when he looked into it that they were having staffing issues. The person that did it was no longer with them. It was not a good turnover on their side. So, the people coming in were scrambling to figure out how to pull this all together. But not only that, they were late because of it as well, as impacting us. So, there was some, as Diane said, there was a huge amount of delay created on that side of it as well, for those reasons. I mean, no fault of their own. It's not like they were, you know, just blowing us off because we were Berlin. They didn't have the resources to do it in a timely manner. So, it's easy. And I understand CPA firms are short-staffed as well, just like everybody else. Right. Well, that's why we only truly sponsor. And we didn't have to have a single audit, thank goodness. And I don't think we will in that point, 23, either. So, that's good news for us because that takes even more time. And then we can get the audit published on the website. It is on the website. It is on the website now. Okay, cool. Once it comes in, we'll get it out there. It's already there. Yeah. It's there. All right. Thank you. Thank you so much. Okay, approval of licenses permits vouchers applications. I make the motion to approve payroll warrant 23-20 for payroll from March 12th, March 25th, 2023, paid on March 29th of this year in the amount of $65,478.20. Also payable warrant 23G18 with checks 22832 to 22868 for payables in the amount of $460,343.43 and payable warrant for Fisher Road Culvert Payment to Vita in the amount of $20,518.02 to be paid on April 18th of 2023 through the bank ACH. Oh, second. Any discussion? Those in favor? Aye. Motion carries. Okay, approval of February 21st, 2023 minutes. We'll do these individually, I think. I make the motion to approve the regular select board meeting of Tuesday, February 21st, 2023 with minor adjustments, one of which is including the last name for Raylene, Raylene, changing another last name and just minor edits. And I'll share those with Vince. Also on the last page, putting in Chief's last name, Chief Pompkins. All right, second. Any discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Motion carries. Aye. And minutes for March 6th, 2023. I make the motion to approve the regular select board minutes of Monday, March 6th, 2023. As presented. Seconded. Any discussion? Mr. Chair, I think there's gonna be an issue with the quorum for that meeting. It's the only three members present for your self-flow and Mr. Parton. I can't. Who is no longer on the board. So they're... Yeah, I can't suck at that. I wasn't good. I don't know how we fix that. I'm not sure, but I don't think... I don't know how they do it. But DRB, we would not imagine if you're here or not when they approve the minutes. Yeah. I know it's a different practice from what we do on the select board, but... Good question. I can look into it and I can come back with an answer for the next meeting. Yeah, I almost think we'll have... I think the board can just get the approval as they're written. I think so, but again, I'm not positive on that. Yeah, we can postpone this till the meeting. That's for the 6th March, correct? Yep. And then for the minutes for... Suppose you have a motion to table for the next meeting. Can I do that? Sure. Okay, I do that. You have a second? Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Okay. For minutes for March 20th, 2023. I do have one correction under your organization for board. I nominated Brad for the 2023-2024 term. Other than that, I make a motion to approve. Your second? I'll let someone else second only because I didn't get a chance to read them thoroughly. I wasn't either. You neither was... Well... Remotely. I think I signed in, but I didn't have enough to qualify and get kicked out pretty quick. You were in and you were out. In and out, fairly quickly. Yeah. I make the motion to table. We can table this one. Table this one until the next. That gives us all time to read it thoroughly. Your second, Joe? Second. All in favor of table? Aye. All right, motion carries. Here are my favorite parts. Oh, yeah, I'm sure. Thanks, sir. Thank you. Round table, Joe? Yeah, just wanted to share an event that happened last Sunday about 7.30 in the morning. There was a car accident up on Interstate 89 about 7.30 in the morning. The first responder was our Corpo Road. This, the vehicle left the northbound lane rolled over several times. The driver was ejected and landed in the southbound lane. He was the first one there, shutting the Interstate down and did a great job in just, I guess, keeping the individual calm while the rest of the responders were coming in. Talking to EMS, this was a real tough one. And so EMS was there, Berlin Fire was there. We had 10 people and everybody had a job and it was stressful for everybody. Corpo Road was there all alone for moments. That guy needs to be commended. Just, I think we ought to thank the GD and Corpo Road. Absolutely. How's the chief our appreciation for? Most definitely. And thank you for sharing that with us, Joe. Yeah, hello. Nothing tonight, thank you. Nothing, sir. I just got a question on licenses and stuff. I've seen something today that kind of caught my eye. These convenience stores, when they've got the beer and wine and tobacco licenses, like I realized the Welcome Center has a liquor license because they sell liquor up there. So that's a different type of license, right? If they're selling smaller bottles and still, like say, like the McGillicuddies and the Fireball, they still have to have that same liquor license, right? Well, they have to have, I think in retail, it's still a class too, but you have to have a different liquor license to sell liquor, to sell stills, basically. I went into a place today and I happened to see that they had a display at the counter with Fireball and Dr. McGillicuddy and all that, but no other liquors. And I kind of like scratched my head and I said, this doesn't seem right. Then it was in Berlin? The Jollies, down at bottom of Gallison Hill, but it's still Berlin right there in front of the cellars. I don't know if that's my play. It's my play. It's my play, yeah. The river's the border. Well, even then, that's a different type of liquor license. It's not just a beer and wine thing. Okay, not to stir anything up, but I'm sure it did, but it just kind of caught me off guard because it just doesn't make sense to me. Now that's all, that was my question. Now I stirred the pot. You actually have a lot of communities in Massachusetts who are not allowing that to happen, only because they're one, they're not recyclable. The plastic containers are not recyclable, and they're just finding out they're scattered around the town. Yeah, just throwing out. Well, just surprising. I could see the beer and wine, but that hard liquor, I had to take a step back. I said, I hadn't seen that. I've seen it in other states, but not in a moment. Convincing? Oh, I'm so glad you're here. I've got a few things that I think I just want to brief status and thoughts and things for the board. Just a few things this time. First, on the liquor licenses. Again, as the board gave authority for approval to declare, since the last meeting and last report, there have been two more that have come in and been approved so that the board's aware. First and third, class at Applebee's, and the second class at Dollar General. I've both been approved. Again, that's just information to the board's aware. She is on it, they can care of it. So, quickly for the round table. I'll try to be quick on most of it. The first thing that you probably see is a Chittenden County Regional Planning Commission letter. This goes back to January when we were talking about the transit oriented development plan for the Northwest Vermont where Central Mont is included. So, Central Mont Regional Planning Commission and the Chittenden County Regional Planning Commission are active in this together. The board agreed that we should look into it and apply, we did. It looks like we're going to be receiving up to $100,000 are gonna be made available for that grant that they're getting for the consultants to create a transit oriented development master plan with municipal bylaws and development regulations to implement that plan that we're gonna participate in. Most likely be administered through the Central Vermont Regional Planning Commission for us, but it's a good thing, right? There is some additional information I believe I put in your package just as a memory jogger. The letter that we sent and some of the information that we sent with that letter to get us involved and the email that came in from Central Vermont asking us if we were interested and what was involved. So, that's all in there just for your reading pleasure at your leisure, but the good news is it looks like we're eligible to participate and up to $100,000 of grant towards that planning portion of that. So, I think that's good news for us. The second thing, I hope they're in the same order. I don't know if they are. You may have a little map like this in your package. This is just for thought, for discussion debate at a later time, but Tom and I were talking, how do we find property in Berlin to get the grand list up, maybe put some housing or some other things. This piece of property belongs to the town that runs along the Dog River in Riverton behind the fire station. You'll see in there an indicated area of about 7.1 acres in the bottom right portion of it. So, just thinking out of the box, we could fit on that property roughly between 20 and 35 housing units within our zoning regulations there now if we wanted to develop that 7.1 acre parcel. The next question is, how do you get to it? There's two possibilities. There's a bridge coming out of Riverton that the state wants to keep and relocate to a town somewhere. That bridge would be perfect to put off a route 12 or that circle is to have access directly to that property. If they reconstruct that bridge like you're talking about and they can relocate it just down the road, maybe we can work a deal with the state to keep it affordable to do that because putting a bridge there, we don't have to worry about any right-of-ways over the railroad tracks, right? And dealing with the railroad coming off the other side, which would be over on Chandler Road. However, through a little bit of deed searching that I did, it looks like there is an existing 25-foot wide right-of-way to that property off of Chandler Road where Chandler Road and West Hill intersect. That gully right there where the work runs through, according to the way the deed is worded, there's a 25-foot right-of-way alongside the brook down to that property. I haven't physically looked at it yet, but there's a Cascans Road extension that's been built and a couple of houses down in there. They may or may not be in the right-of-way. I don't know yet. It's gonna take some exploring to see, but. That right-of-way you're talking about goes right through Lyons, Sandpit down here, besides the white property. I think it's after Lyons pit. It may be a portion of it. I believe it's after the pit. Is it really? Yeah. But that's another thing. I'm sure if you talk with Lyons, you can get that right-of-way to that property. That's within the railroads right-of-way, most of that. Is it, really? Yeah. And my understanding is they've already said no about getting any access along there right-of-way down through there. You gotta do a little bit more legwork, but two possibilities exist, right? The bridge is a great one. The state's looking for a place to put it. It would be awful cheap just to remove it and reconstruct it just a mile or two down the road to give access to that property. The other thing that that property might have value for since you brought up the pit is for mining for gravel and sand. You may wanna do some core samples to see, but obviously the first choice, my mind would be housing. There's a need for it. If we could put in housing, bring up our grand list by four or $5 million on that property with access right off Route 12, right? You got a hospital that would be interested in housing there. You got Norwich that would probably be interested in housing there. And somebody else had a good idea about possibly put a parking lot in right down there for access to the swimming hole that everybody likes so much for recreation. The thing is that to develop that, it wouldn't be that hard if you did have access because I think most would be in ground septic somewhere because it is all good ground. It's all good gravel. It is all good gravel. So that's more to come on that. It's something to think about. Got any questions or comments? Let me know. Something I need to look at. If you have thoughts on sending it to me, we can look at it. So that right away. It's an opportunity. I think it's an opportunity for the town. We're about to take another historical bridge. Right next to each other. What's that? That was my question. You need the... No, I was just wondering where that right away used to have any thought, maybe. The yellow markings are those? The right of ways are marked. I don't know. I haven't been physically able to look. Well, no, I'm looking on your map. Oh, no, it's not mapped on the map right away. Whereabouts would it be? Right here. There's the wording for the right of way. Just so happens I have a copy of the deed. No. Whereabouts on here, you're seeing that? Okay. Where does the... There's a channel over there. I don't see the West Hill though. No. It's over here. Yeah. West Hill's gonna be up here. West Hill is somewhere down in here. It's down here. Yeah, there's... And then the... Somewhere down goes back. Oh, so you're thinking it accesses for me? Somewhere right in here, I believe. It's 20 foot five, and it comes from Chandler to... Right away, look. By the brook, which flows off of West Hill into the Dog River. It used to be there. So, you know what the gully is right there at West Hill? That's where it is. That's where that right away would be. Try it down here. Where's what you put here? Okay. So that's further down. Yeah. I printed that before I got it. So... It's gonna be... It's a web channeler. It's gonna be down this way. Here's Gordon Drive, so find him somewhere. Yeah, a little further down. Yeah, okay. I think it's down toward the end down here. I would say it's like right here. Because you come down to Pine Hill and you literally... Sorry, you would have to look at it. Go down and you can't mess up. What the town would say is that they developed a pit there. Yeah. Compared to what the town would receive if we put in housing going forward. Yeah. Yeah, we can do that. But to me, the housing is in perpetuity, right? The pit's gonna run out at some point in time. What we would say from having a pit versus housing. You gotta have housing. Right now, housing in this area. Berlin, Montpeyre. And again, do the roof. You know, we can probably get a good deal with the bridge. There you go. The timing is right. Rather than fighting with the railroad. But it looks like we may already have it. We need to confirm that. And the property, other than that, is really almost inaccessible, right? At that point, so we may have an opportunity. Just throwing that out there. More to come on that. And again, if you have any thoughts or ideas, send them to me and we'll look into it. The other thing I just wanna make you aware of, the radio systems are in. The highway's very happy. The police aren't quite there yet. There's been some issues there that they're working out. If you hear anything, I've talked to Burlington Communications today on that. First of all, we're gonna be asking for, well, the police are asking for five additional microphones for their mobile phones. They did not come with those. They weren't in the quote. It's gonna be about a little over $1,000. So I'm authorized up to $5,000, but I'm just informing you of that. The issue that they may be having with the radios, Burlington Communications is looking into this. The problem exists from what I understand only when they're trying to talk to the state police. So that's kind of important, really. But they believe, Burlington Communications believes at this point they're gonna do some more testing. They believe it's on the state police side. They've had a lot of problems since they've had to convert over to the digital. They've had a lot of problems with their radios. So they believe it's on that side. In fact, the state police are looking to do what we just did, which is get a repeater up on West Hill, I mean, Irish Hill, to help that out. So we don't know, but they're working on it if you do hear anything. Other than that, the radios, like I said, for the highway crew are working. They've got complete coverage in town now. Unlike what they had before with the dead spots. So they're police? Yeah, they're very happy with them. And most of the police are, other than this one issue now, but once we get that resolved, they're probably gonna be pretty happy with it as well, because they'll be on the tower. I'll just pass this around. This is just an abutters notice for the Benoins up on the airport road. They want to put in a special name for the fireman. Modern fireman. Never. Just to make you aware, I think you got a map there. You didn't have it in the packet. I hadn't even noticed it. You didn't, mm-hmm. I knew I had the map. So that's to make you aware that that's going on up there. I don't think it's gonna have much of an impact. I'm not sure how close it is to the property line. Again, the other item to make you aware, it was approved in the budget for the police to purchase another cruiser. We've got the quote for that. I think, did we approve 45 or 50 in the budget? And 424? Yeah, no, this is the 23 one, I believe. I think that was only 45. I had to look at the minutes because it's not in the budget. But the cost, actually they, since the last quote they gave us, it dropped with these folks for by $1,000, but it's still $52,358. That they'll be moving forward with on that. And it's actually, I know the last time we talked, he was talking about looking at different vendors, but this vendor, this colonial municipal group actually does have the vehicle available. He can have it in a couple of months rather than six or eight months like the others as well. So they'll be moving forward with that new cruiser for the police as well. And the last thing that I have, believe it or not, I do have a last item. There was a question about the COTS system and the funds. And I believe that you'll have this document in there which explains the fees for the funds, the subscription fees, it's a dollar per page for daily monthly subscriptions for the image print, a dollar per page for annuals dispersed to the customer and $1 per page for annuals dispersed to COT. So we get a dollar a page and they get a dollar a page for the annuals. Thank you, Ms. So that's in there for information to answer that question that you had asked. And I will reply now unless you have any questions on any of this for me. Anything else for Ms? No executive session. No executive session. The next agenda item is to adjourn. I entertain a motion to adjourn tonight's regularly scheduled select board meeting. Second. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Mr. Gary.