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Thank you For information on how to contribute go to daily tech news show comm The comments and opinions expressed are those of the program participants who are solely responsible for the content and do not Necessarily represent the views of alpha geek radio or the frog pants studios network This is the daily tech news for Thursday, July 2nd 2015 on top marriage joining me today Very happy to have you and reporter Dan Patterson on the show. How's it going Dan? Welcome back? Hey, it's fantastic to be here Thank you for having me. It's always good to have Dan on he's a very experienced journalist Been all around the world and you were inspired by a conversation We were having sort of casually about the nature of journalism and online journalism the other day So we're gonna dig a little more into that today. Yeah It was the show last week in a particularly talking about the new models in journalism Which I think is a topic of conversation here in in New York Yeah, absolutely more on that in a moment, but let's start off with the headlines Microsoft gave us more details on the rollout of Windows 10 in a blog post from Terry Mierson today Here's the short version. Not everybody's gonna get it on July 29th Here's the here's the detailed version OEM partners the folks who actually build computers From scratch and buy these in books. We'll get it soon. I don't say exactly when I imagine the OEM partners No, when though they'll that will allow them to start imaging new devices and then soon after that Retailers will get it so they can prepare for customer support and providing upgrades to folks and then July 29th That's the date. We all know that Windows Insiders will get it, but that's all they're saying. We'll get it on July 29th If you're part of the insider program expect to get it. That's what they're saying Then people who reserved an update Remember those little pop-ups that came up at the bottom of your screen if you if you reserved your update You'll line up Virtually to get it in waves that Mierson wrote are going to be scaling up after July 29th If you reserved it Microsoft will push a notification when you're ready or if it doesn't think your computer's specs are up to stuff It will provide details if your system has issues Including contact information for device makers etc to help get you ready for the upgrade Businesses will get it on July 29th, and then volume license customers will get it August 1st. See Dan perfectly simple Very just like Microsoft very simple easy to understand. It's part of their tradition The new Microsoft is not always that new This is that this is actually part of the fact that Microsoft is turning Windows into a service rather than a Package there will be boxed versions of the upgrade but but the idea is they want to get you ready for just Windows rolling updates Regularly and not having a date where you have to go buy an upgrade and wait for a service pack, etc So I think what they're trying to make sure of is that when you get the upgrade a your computer can install it and use it and B the server will deliver it and they won't get swamped with too many people trying to get it at once That's actually a really interesting point the delivery of this and how it will go out to consumers I'd like to see you know they use a bit torn kind of like Blizzard does or how they seed that many Operating systems in such a short period of time. Yeah, and it's a free upgrade So, you know it should be this should be a little looser And a lot of more people will want to get it I guess the idea here is that the people who are going to complain if they don't get it on July 29th Are likely to be the people who would sign up for the insiders program So if you're telling them, they'll all get it on the July on July 29th other folks You know just your average user aren't going to be breathlessly waiting on July 29th for their new Windows They'll be happy whenever it shows up At least that's the plan and Gadget reports SEO books Aaron Wall noticed some Google search ads Showing up on a small number of queries on Yahoo Remember Yahoo has a partnership with Microsoft's Bing New York Times actually confirmed the arrangement It's a Yahoo calls it a small test and still has their partnership with Microsoft It is no longer exclusive though So they get to do stuff like this and their partnership with Microsoft could be terminated in October Yahoo and Google walked away from a partnership in 2008 after opposition by the US Department of Justice's antitrust division CNN Money reports that Mastercard will experiment to pay with your face 500 customers will be able to use the Mastercard phone app to confirm a purchase with either their fingerprint Or by staring at the phone's camera and blinking once The blink is actually meant to prevent someone from using a still image of you to fool it Mastercard has partnered with most of the major smartphone companies including apple google blackberry and samsung And they're working on deals with the banks that issue the credit cards to allow this If you were lucky enough to be one of the 500 dan, would you uh, would you like to pay with your face? I I feel like I pay with my soul all the time. So the face is not it's not a huge jump But you know what what's interesting to me that is that we we've come so quickly into using biometrics I like this trend. I don't know that I trust necessarily our current implementations of the trend, but I really like it and this is I think something that could I don't know if it pushes facial recognition into the mainstream But it makes it a lot more interesting and and part of the conversation at the very least Yeah, and the idea is to try to find something That will replace the Pin and password, etc Yeah, uh I know there's at least six of you out there thinking i'll make an animated gif That has a blink and then i'll be able to fool it or 3d print my face Yeah, exactly with with some little blink mechanisms inside Rino security labs founder benjamin coddle has developed a hardware proxy that lets users ip addresses appear to be up to Two and a half miles away according to motherboard the proxy ham is what it's called It's a raspberry pi wi-fi card and three wi-fi antennas stuffed into a cardboard box One antenna connects to a public wi-fi network and the other two transmit and receive to the user Who's located a few miles away at least a mile away? The idea is to plug it into a hidden corner of a place with public wi-fi Maybe a library maybe a coffee shop that way the user's ip address Is located away from them and they won't even be nearby if someone shows up to find them And dan you've been in situations where there are people whose lives could depend on this sort of thing Well, and and just being generally aware of what networks you're touching We often don't think about this but being aware the networks that we touch and then the ability to triangulate your location and generally you're your identity from Just your ip address is is pretty incredible So I this is a really really neat idea. I Wonder about the implementation of this. I certainly can see the the consumer and the b2b interest, but I I always think about security and personal identity identifiable information when it comes to stuff like this Yeah, and so the idea is that you hide it in a corner So if somebody uncovers it and unplugs it then it's not going to work for you anymore. You got to make sure it's well hidden uh The other thing is that Just because they can't find your ip address because this thing is obfuscating it doesn't mean they can't find your data in other ways See, this is only one part of a program. You're going to want to use a vpn tour Etc. Yeah, really want to keep yourself protected. That's so important, right? It's part of a kit and this is interesting, but just make sure that the other parts of your kits are implemented TechCrunch reports xiaomi announced it has sold 34.7 million smartphones in the first half of 2015 That's up 33 percent over last year if you're a fan person of xiaomi. You can just stop listening now It's a nice jump But it's not on pace to hit the hundred million smartphones that ceo and co-founder lejun estimated the company would sell in 2015 xiaomi began selling phones in brazil or will begin i should say selling phones in brazil july 7th That will help second half of the year usually is a bigger sales half than the first half also xiaomi sold 61 million phones in 2014 for example So they will probably beat last year's amount, but they're not seeing necessarily the hockey stick growth that they were seeing the first couple years It might just be market saturation Yeah, uh, and that's why opening up in someplace like brazil is Absolutely important to making sure those numbers continue to go up. That's what you want to do as a company According to multiple sources talking to the verge facebook has held talks with sony music entertainment Universal music group and warner music group about quote Getting into music. Maybe they want to start a band. I don't know. Uh, they haven't decided exactly how they would like to get into music Yet, uh discussions are still in the early stages. Of course people immediately think wow You got billion users there. You might want to do a music service and instant domination of the streaming music market On the other hand, I think with facebook's emphasis on video recently There's a good chance that they want to license Music videos and let people post them. They have a deal with Spotify to do some posting right now So it would make sense for them to go straight to the labels and say hey Let's make it easier for our users to share music with each other It would make a ton of sense if for no other reason then they they have to compete with With the other players in the market and they have to do something that has to be some kind of response facebook Just can't sit on their hands and not make these kinds of deals and it is Uh, kind of a no-brainer when it comes to to content media content distribution facebook is Really perform very well with video. So it makes a lot of sense that they would do the same thing with video music Yeah, the verge article implies that they want to do something unique So I wouldn't expect them to just start a spotify clone No, but something that maybe solves some of those problems of having multiple services And not having the same music on all of them something that solves the discovery problem That's what apple's trying to do with beats one. I would imagine it be along those lines, don't you? Yeah, and they could take a lot of the intelligence that they've gleaned from from edge rank in the news feed and and how to Present types of information to users at the right time Uh and build, you know, they've also done very well at acquiring and building separate siloed services So it would it's not a stretch to think that facebook would build its own or own its own music specific silo Yeah, it's not impossible. Absolutely ZD net reports hp has filed the paperwork With the us sec regarding the split the company has been planning There will be two entities by the end of 2015 hp ink will sell p-season printers and hp enterprise will focus on commercial technology With ceo meg wittman staying on as the head of hp enterprise And gadget reports the united arab emirates national innovation committee alongside win sun global and a few other companies plan to use A 20-foot 3d printer to make the parts for an entire office building Including the furniture inside win sun global has already printed a six-story apartment building in china So they have some experience projects going to use special reinforced concrete fiber reinforced plastic and glass fiber reinforced gypsum And they say once they begin they'll be ready in a few weeks that last part kills me ready in a few weeks I mean I can see this being in theory or we would like to do that like no, it's the next week. Don't worry Yeah, it's 2,000 square feet footprint. I don't know how many stories it's going to be Uh, but so it's not the largest thing, but any kind of office building impressive. Yeah, yeah absolutely Very interesting. All right time for some news from you. These come from our subreddit As do many of the stories daily tech news show reddit.com If you wonder why did they talk about those stories? Well, one reason is we saw folks voting on it over in the subreddit So get on there and make your voice heard too daily tech news show reddit.com cap and kipper Submitted the mashable report that apple's new iCloud music library syncing is not working properly for several users Tracks are moving on to the wrong albums album art is being replaced incorrectly Some artists get listed multiple times and of course all those errors get replicated across all the devices that you've plugged into iCloud music library apple has also turned off home sharing for phones and tablets in the new version of the ios Still works for apple tv though. I imagine that's part of their deal with the music labels, but uh It doesn't seem like anytime there's a new cloud service of any kind it launches without bugs and apple is not immune to that Yeah, I mean we have to manage our expectations I wouldn't imagine that apple music or any new service like this would launch without bugs I have always uh been Critical of the way itunes match works. It tries to do more than it's good at There are other matching systems out there that are that err on your side more often And apple seems to err on it assuming that it's right about things which can Can cause some people to lose music in certain cases on which I don't like Don't trust it. I don't trust it. You can trust it if you want. That's a personal message Kennedy style submitted the dsl reports post about chicago's new nine percent cloud taxes One is the extension of an amusement tax to electronically delivered amusements Like netflix and spotify uh the other covers non-possessory computer leases or essentially cloud computing things like Microsoft azure amazon web service city requires providers of those kinds of services to begin collecting the tax starting september 1st So if you are amused in your own house by netflix and you're in the city of chicago There's uh, that's going to cost netflix a little tax money. This is this has been implemented like this is this has It's been passed. Yeah, they start implementing at september 1st That sounds kind of like a regressive tax if we look at the way The cloud is a part of our lives now It's hard not to be involved in in using and buying cloud services at nine percent a pack of a tax Well, and it's it's a tax that's put on amusement parks, you know places with merry go rounds and and and whatnot Uh, and they're like, well, wait a minute people are being amused I mean What if you're not abused? What if orange is the new black is not funny to you? Do you start to pay used to be entertained? Yeah, I don't I don't think it works that way. I think in all seriousness the worrying issue here Is not so much about the city of chicago, but if multiple cities all start doing this Suddenly anybody who starts an online service is going to have to negotiate thousands and thousands of different laws About what taxes they have to pay in the localities that they serve and and the internet is supposed to be worldwide This is not manageable Worldwide Always on Gold kick shared this real-life crime-filled thriller from arsectica Carl mark force. We believe that's his real name He was the head of a baltimore-based dea team that investigated the silk road drug trafficking website Uh, it's we should not describe it as a drug trafficking website. It was the silk road website It was accused of enabling people to traffic in drugs. Anyway, uh mark Carl mark force has pled guilty to extortion money laundering and obstruction of justice Force took payments from silk roads ross olbricht that he did not tell his Perriers about and diverted the bitcoins into his personal accounts. He also confiscated money customer customer With 20th century fox for a movie without any supervisory approval got some money for that Forces to pay about 500 thousand dollars 320 thousand pounds in restitution with 150 thousand dollars of that already Being paid sensing will take place in october Uh, fascinating, you know wire has done some pretty good reporting on this Or on on similar components of the silk road story, but I mean really I just can't wait to see the movie Yeah, uh I get like 20th century fox wanted to pay this guy some money. I mean his name is carl mark force That's you can't you can't invent a better name than that Uh star fury zeta sent us the news that andre borschberg the pilot flying the solar impulse 2 aircraft around the world has officially broken The record for the longest solo flight was previously held by steve fawcett who set the world record at 76 hours in 2006 While circumnavigating the globe mind you in the virgin atlantic global flyer Uh borschberg has only been aloft for more than four days Well, he's been aloft for more than four days without fuel because it's solar since taking off from negaya japan Uh, and he's going to land at kala eila hawaii on maui So he's not going nearly as far as fawcett did the trip around the world began in dubai March 9th and in in hops. They're taking this solar plane all the way around the world as well Just takes a little longer very cool perfect concept. Yeah, and and you know, uh really Really amazing if you haven't gone and looked at the solar impulse website Uh, and and they're talking to him. He's in the cabin. He's been there for four days Uh, you know very little sleep because he's the only pilot It's it's just insane I was watching it earlier and they're talking to him about the cloud bank that he has to navigate And they want him to get into a holding pattern. So he enters it at exactly the right time So they limit the amount of turbulence It's it's it's a very dangerous thing That he's doing and and yet, uh, they're doing it. Well, and they're all doing it to try to prove that solar energy is viable Very impressive. Mr. Borschberg and that is a look at the headlines All right, let's talk about I don't know that anybody's covered this Dan tech is having effect on journalism. Have you heard this? It's not been discussed at nazi and bio first time breaking news Uh, no, obviously, uh, this is being discussed a lot But you know, it's an evolving conversation and and Dan's in an interesting position in new york To be able to bridge the gap Covering technology, but also having a lot of context within the traditional journalism world. It doesn't cover technology If you go to medium.com and and look at dan's article He's got it at medium.com slash and at sorry at dan petterson You've got some great quotes from different folks around new york About this particular issue and one that caught my eye was from a salima Uh, you can follow her on twitter at salim a s a l i m a y Says that there is a growing uncertainty around the journalism industry But she says isn't it the case for all technology related businesses? The bad news is the increasing job insecurity and the pressure to deliver high qualities High volumes of quality journalism fast and cheap the expectations are very high The question is what do you have to offer and she quotes david car who says create something with your own dirty little hands I feel like that neatly sums up the two sides of the argument Which is hey, this is there's the way we're we've been doing it worked very well But it's falling apart and the other side is well, then you've got to figure out a new way of doing it Yeah, so that's that's kind of the context around Gathering these thoughts from people About the current state of news and media and technology in that I love the west coast conversations and we about technology and journalism We have kind of parallel conversations here on the east coast With a primary theme being Although you know tech is very A predominant here in new york city But a primary theme is is that there are the disruptors and then there are those who have been disrupted And I've worked on different sides of this coin I've worked for small news organizations large news organizations that were disrupted and and Now I work and report with a bunch of young people at the un who For the most part report for traditional news organizations But in this very new and interesting way and then when we sit around the bar And we have drinks with our media friends here in the city We'll often talk about you know You know friends will say should I stay in news and reporting or should I move over into technology? Should I move over into advertising or media marketing? And you know all of these questions Are up in the air and there are no answers for them But they're conversations that are being had in parallel Between the two different coasts So You know I think I think what salema was saying and that david car quote really sums it up very well is that You know no matter no matter what the models are you do have to go out and create and and You know particularly you guys had a very interesting conversation last week That that tracked along this lines as well that although the technology and the platforms may change Uh the the process of creating doesn't always change and you still have to go and create that That thing with your dirty little hands Yeah, a lot of times especially in the tech press there seems to be a bit of an attitude of Get over it and use the new tools, right? This is just the way of the world now stop whining for an outdated model And I think that if the that side of the argument is failing in any way It's they should be looking at how to make sure that that new model is easier Is more easily moved into I think about yeah when I was growing up in the 80s in the late 70s The the cry then was newspaper journalism is falling apart because we only have one daily paper now in most cities, right? Like outside of New York, Los Angeles and Chicago everybody was losing their second or third daily papers The difference then was if you lost your job at one of those daily papers that closed What you could go to the daily paper there? That was in existence still and try to get a job and say hey You know i'm better than the guys you have a more experienced etc Or you can move to another town try to get a job in another newspaper And those skills were almost 100 percent transferable The difference now is you lose your job in a newspaper and the options are work at a blog Do so do social networking create your own work on a podcast And those are a lot scarier because those are new skills for a lot of people that they understand the basics of journalism Like you said the basics of storytelling But that learning curve of figuring out how to plug those skills into this new way of doing things is daunting Well, yes, hello. I am it it happened to me Right, right. It's our producer Jenny. Just some jumping in because obviously, uh, she works here now But it previously worked in big media corporations Yeah, and oh, go ahead. No. No, I was just gonna say it's a terrifying adoption for somebody who Who was taught the traditional way Of of being a journalist who felt like maybe that wasn't the way for me But didn't know where or what to do who then went to Exactly the same company just a big internet company, you know what I mean? Like the same kind of big ship little rudder And then having to take all that knowledge and go to a unique organization Of two people just trying to get it right and learn all these tools It was terrifying like I didn't want to speak for the first year So I empathize I think I hear exactly what you just said throughout the newsroom and and with most of the people I either know or work with In one way or another and a huge part of the change Is, you know, uh, one reporter that I work with. Uh, she's restless ronnie on twitter and I put her in this news post as well Uh, oh incidentally, there's an easy to remember bitly. It's just bitly.com slash news thoughts Uh, it will take you there, but you know, she made a really good point that A lot of it Okay, there there's the mastering the technology, but there's there's also the mastering of the business model And you have to for the first time a lot of people have to be either conscious of The business that of the content they're creating or constantly shopping for new New places to publish and I think a lot of the people that I work with at least in the un newsroom are really hard working smart Expert journalists, but they're constantly on the hustle looking for a new place to sell something when you have to manage your money And the new technology at the same time That's beyond daunting And salima said this later on in that post that you quoted Uh, in numerous other in like in numerous other industries journalists and specifically freelancers Have to develop their own style expertise and entrepreneur skills your portfolio of strengths will need to be constantly updated And it is as exciting as it is daunting. Absolutely. I can I can another great example So I I was at abc news for a number of years and when twitter happened I I grabbed the url at abc news and then promptly got yelled at by standards and practices and the rest of the news this was like 2008 maybe it was a while ago and and The older newsroom kind of scowled and said oh, what are you trying to to Mess around with this new media. I mean it was really like what are you doing messing around with this new media thing Now they finally have they figured it out and came around but a lot of them in the process Were laid off took different jobs or had to adapt to things where I get technologies argument and saying, you know, look you have to adapt you have to change But when you've built your career doing something and you're really good at it I can really understand looking at the bratty face of me or younger people and saying Who the hell are you telling me what to do? Who are you telling me to change? I know How to do this really really well. Why do I have to change and it's I under I'm not saying that's the right thing, but I can understand the older guard feeling that and thinking that And I've heard that same complaint from musicians When when when you talk to musicians and and some musicians are saying you just have to get out there and And connect with your fans and do more concerts and do more merch and some musicians are saying no But that's not why I got into music. I don't want to be an entrepreneur. I don't want to worry about t-shirt sales I just want to make music and the old studio system makes that happen So I want to preserve that Uh, and and that's not an excuse to preserve the old system But you do have to countenance those arguments and take them into account and and to bring it back to journalism When when technology companies sort of dismissively say well, you just need to learn the new stuff That's easy to say for the technology company that has spent 10 15 years all of its employees Just natively growing up learning to use this new stuff versus someone who hasn't touched it and it's and it's and it's frightening And the people who could help you understand it are just telling you to go do it yourself You know pull yourself up by your bootstraps and blog I think yeah, and I think the excellent example is what happened in you know 2008 2009 when At first you had journalists in newsrooms that I worked in Uh, basically being like oh, we're not allowed to tweet We're not allowed to tweet and then all of a sudden it was everybody wants us to tweet Right, you tweeted one thing and somebody from standards of practices yelled at you about what you tweeted And then you had to put a thing in your little bio that says retweets are not endorsing Like come on either we have and this is something that bio cow brought up and this is so important Is that either we are we have opinions and we try to be fair Right, or we don't say anything at all where this crazy objective standard But really what it comes down to is this thing that in our chat room bio cow said He said he thinks it's the difference between one-way communication and two-way communication Which is like for a long time media was just push it out And yeah, maybe you've got an angry letter in the mail or in the age of internet You got comments, but now it's such a huge back and forth that that's the terrifying thing Is actually interacting with the people who are consuming your storytelling. You're so right and you know a big part I can totally understand where I'm just using them as an example But a lot of traditional media companies are like this where ABC would freak out You know, it's not freak out but have consternation and have issues Particularly, you know while I was there the president David Weston quit and said I can't run a news company that is run by lawyers and I understand that that over time news organizations, you know Particularly the one that credentials me right now They get sued and they get sued for all kinds of reasons and I understand why over time They become more and more cautious More litigious and more they just lawyer up and say, you know, we can't risk getting sued We don't want some kid out there saying something stupid on internet and getting us sued or Sex tapes well Right, uh, and one of one of the reactions in the past was to ring fence yourself, right? And that's the impulse the jenny's saying which is just don't say anything Let's be very circumspect about what we do say Which I think degrades journalism to a certain extent because it doesn't allow you to shed light on parts of a story That help understanding what the internet is scariest for journalism is that it could improve it in that way But in a way that can cause huge risks to have to be taken as as dan is alluding to right loss of jobs When you don't do your job up to the standard or you get horn swaddled or well even beyond that Just companies saying look we can't get away with being safe anymore because the audience will revolt And we'll see it on twitter and other people will see it But we also have to not go over the line or we'll get sued out of existence. You're right our business Oh, yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. No our business model is predicated upon doing something that may cause us to get sued at some point Those two are at odds And and it used to be perfectly safe to offend your audience, right? Because like you said you might get a letter, but nobody'd really see it unless you decided to print it So there was less risk now There's just as much risk to go that direction as there is to go the other direction people will start to say Well, wait a minute. Why aren't you reporting on this or why didn't you use this quote? I see this quote being used over here. There is a huge fact checking mechanism Going on and it doesn't always work very efficiently or even fairly But I think that to me Is the bigger effect on journalism Then then just business models and and and the day-to-day operation of it So that being said I wouldn't want this Discussion to conclude and it may not conclude without talking about The amazing impact that technology has had on journalism because I'm sitting here thinking about For example periscope, okay? Like we have not yet had the big story that makes periscope But it's only a matter of time. It's only a matter of time before whatever the huge breaking news story of the Of the moment is is covered from every single angle by everyone with a smartphone Well, there was the explosion in new york city That was covered on periscope wasn't it wasn't as huge as you're talking about but we've already seen the I guess you could call it the pre tremor of the of the I would agree that that was like the one that wakes everybody up and makes them check their earthquake kit But i'm talking about like it really missed the protests in baltimore by a couple of weeks That's the the wild thing and then it's going to happen and then the other thing is you know stuff like um Interlude right the the company that makes interactive videos It's like if there's a company like an old media company that has 800 years of tape sitting in their archive And you're given a way to interact with that video like that's an incredible opportunity. What about that? I mean, I know there's a lot of downside to this whole change But I wouldn't want to get away with the fact that there is a huge upside if if Yeah, you're right nimble enough to harness it and it's ultimately a net positive It's just the the mechanics of getting there have there's collateral damage, but you're absolutely right that that You know it I think what you're saying like we're waiting for periscopes occupy moment or it's ferguson moment where we really see the tools Uh put to the task, but I think arguably we've seen that for quite a while. We see that now, you know, I think The advent of podcasting and twitter a decade ago I think really foretold the future that we're living in now and and it is I I hope it's the hope of places like medium and other other new types of publishers that really Look after not just publishing content from experienced content creators, but monetizing that content as well Yeah, you're right the periscope is the latest in a parade of new tools That have been widening the scope And then there are things like storify, which I think provide an example Of how this new world starts to improve things, right? We realize well, wait a minute when everybody can report on twitter and youtube and now periscope How do we know what's real? How do we how do we do responsible verification? We have a company like storify step in and say well, we think we know how to do that We'll provide that service In that instance store a full storify is the one I keep saying store if I Yeah, store a full is the one story full is the one that verifies youtube's and store By is the one that gets your tweets all in a line Okay, story full. I apologize for getting that wrong Storyful is is the one that works with is it story full though? Is that right? Yeah. Yeah I worked at a yahoo and they that's their job is they there's one l. That's why I could I used to call them storify to their face Story full and my apologies to the folks at story full For for doing what has been done to you millions of times. I'm sure it's like when somebody calls mic a mic story full anyway Not to get bogged down in that is an example of We we can actually we will end up with better journalism in my opinion Once this is all shaken out than we had before Because you won't be able to obfuscate you won't be able to hide as many things. I'm not saying it'll be perfect But we have more eyes and we have verification And we have the ability to really understand stories in ways that we never could before And we have people empowered to be the journalists in their own lives And to me that's the amazing part of this is that there is a way now for voices that aren't always heard to be heard And and it's not perfect and it doesn't come in a nice little Two-minute package on tv, but it's gonna get there and I I'm really excited. I am excited about the future of journalism Dan who we convinced you to be excited about the future of journalism. I guess Right always always it's always exciting. It's tumultuous, but it's always exciting Our pick of the day comes from hot branch and sunny jazz Festi Montreal Who says he was listening to dts 25 27 About the disgust of the state of modern radio in the lack of locally produced curated music reminded him of bill fitzews book radio activity Or a classic rock dj unwittingly becomes an amateur investigator. It's a novel Uh, he says in addition to being fun witty who done it There's a cornucopia of incredibly well researched musical references You can find a print copy, uh, although it'll require hunting through a few used bookstores and yard sales But the kindle version is available at amazon fits you as one of my favorite authors says hot branch Because he regularly weaves musical references and absurdist humor into a solid and entertaining story Let's check that out. I would also, uh recommend year zero As well by rob rob read the same sort of thing telling a A modern technological story in that case and weaving in all kinds of great music references In fact, he has playlists and I think he has them on spotify that you can subscribe to and play while you're reading the book Uh, so thank you hot branch for sending that in you can send your picks to feedback at daily tech news show Dot com find my picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks Got one message of the day from nicklebacker matt aspenall in having a mini heatwave york england Following our discussion of beats one He's thought he'd give it a try during his morning train commute and discovered something amazing When they went through the tunnel and lost phone service the music continued seamlessly It seems the song's pre-buffer so that if you lose your data connection So long as you pick it back up before the song ends the station is uninterrupted It uh, he said I have to admit this is a really cool thing that bbc radio stations normally That I normally listen to can't do I tested the iPlayer radio app and found it's better at this than I remember But it cuts out briefly when rejoining the live stream whereas beats one didn't Interestingly you can lose your data connection while the presenter on beats one is talking and you'll still get a seamless experience So I guess the station isn't as live As they keep saying uh, but that that is pretty cool that they buffer like that and you're right It's not live live. You're not hearing it as The person is speaking on the internet because of buffering and lag and whatever you probably never would anyway So why not give it a little five minute delay in there? As radio is anyway. Yeah, I did hear a mistake earlier today where the the presenter Uh, intro the wrong song And then Eileen and I looked at each other and were like that was the song she just played That's not the the song she's playing now and then she came back on it was like oops my mistake And fixed it. So they are at least pretending it's live. They're not going back and fixing things like that Have you been listening to beats one day? I have uh, I I've tried almost every streaming service and been a pretty loyal audio subscriber for the last several years, but uh, For a number of reasons tried spotify and google and and now apple music and I have to say apple music It's not perfect. Uh, but I I'm sticking with it I really love the live radio aspect that it reminds me of I mean some of the dj's are a little cheesy But it it reminds me of that Connected feeling look radio is not about the music itself It's about that package of the hour or three hours or whatever you're spending with the dj And if it can be a little a oar, uh, then then it can be kind of fun And you can hear quirks and it's about the fact that many people are consuming the same piece of culture Hopefully localized at the same time. So because of that I dig it I'm fascinated with it. Uh, I The idea of one radio station to rule them all has always fascinated me It can't be done, but I love the attempts to say this is going to be not about a format not about a genre This is going to be just about music Uh, it's it's almost a a dawn kihote type expedition But it really is interesting to watch I think Uh, well jenny josephson, thank you for popping in and sharing your experience with us as always You can find jenny on the twitters at twitter.com slash jenny j 23 and go listen to tell it anyway if you want more Great storytelling. That's what all journalism is about. It's about storytelling tell it anyway.com Are is people sitting around and jenny gets them to tell these amazing stories. I don't know how you do it I don't know either every time we start I think oh god This is going to be the one that doesn't go and and people always amaze you with what they have to say So stay tuned for ones about that time. Uh, we really stepped in it this weekend Go check out dan patterson as well twitter.com slash dan patterson or dan patterson dot com You've always got something incredibly interesting and compelling going on. Do you do you have anything to tell folks about this time? Well likewise, tom and it's always fun to listen to and be on the show. Um, we are building some interesting things With the the gawker podcast team I think we're doing a little thing just called the news But I don't know how close we are to talking about that otherwise I'm at the u.n. A couple days a week not working for the u.n. But with my other colleagues in that medium post reporting on the u.n. And and Weird world issues that are weird And that's medium.com slash at dan patterson, right? Yeah, I mean my website dan patterson.com has everything But yeah, yeah, we'll soon be the news dot fm. I think all right keep an eye out for that as well Thanks to our patrons. 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You can give us a call 51259 daily That's 5125932 459 listen to the show live monday through friday at 4 30 p.m. Eastern player dot alpha geek radio dot com And visit our website daily tech news show dot com It's the holiday in the u.s. Tomorrow. So headlines only back on monday with foranica belmont The show is part of the frog pants network get more at frog pants dot com Bob hopes you have enjoyed this program Great conversation As always, thank you. Thank you guys. That was a lot of fun. I appreciate it. What should we call this particular episode? I'm a big fan of my face is my passport authorize me Actually love that. Yeah, it's so great Uh, I do also like the poetry of tilting it cloud services And then oh my god Flying by the sun of our pants I don't know. I think my face is my passport authorize one blink for yes I like that That's just because it's just our check reference. Ah, right Time to facebook the music. Oh, I just got welcomed to apple music Really you're just emailing me now. I haven't got mine yet. I thought I was already on it It seemed to be working Do you think that apples emails go out the same way that all of our old company emails used to do just like? Yeah, staggered. Yeah. Yeah one at a time to like a bazillion people. Yeah Oh boy. Yep Well in 17 years I look forward to getting my email about apple music. Yeah Um, all right. Let's see. I'm trying to see if there are any deep cuts floating around here Let's see if they're a newsy one Netflix streams one of yours to the internet you send one of his to the tax man. That's the chicago way Oh, that's amazing. That's an untouchables reference God, are you being amused? Am I a joke to you? Am I a joke to you? Never stop don't stop never stop um Sorry I met that all the time Ah Yes, uh, thank you guys. I'm not gonna duck off, but I appreciate it. All right. Yeah. No, don't worry Dan. Thanks again for hanging out Cool. Thanks. So uh, see you in the future. Good. Bye I'm leaning towards my face is my passport. I mean it's just has poetry. Yeah Oh, I totally missed this story. Yeah Which story? No, it's uh A vw robot in germany picked up a human worker and crushed him I saw that it's not the first time it's happened That's not and it it seems as if apparently the the worker was in an area of the factory floor He was not supposed to be in it's very sad. I don't think it's a tech story If you want to know the first time that someone was ever killed by a robot Um It's horrible. I should do that. Uh, but yeah, I do know that because it's the same day as the anniversary of the invention of the word robot Hmm That seems awfully planned Coincidence I just thought I would throw in some some nice fresh conspiracy theory there. Right, right I don't know why I must be optimism of optimistic about journalism because I'm not really in it anymore That makes a huge difference, right? I totally get if you're at a paper And you're like worried about you losing your job every moment And you can tell that the people in charge don't know what they're doing and are casting about for a direction You're going to have a very negative view of journalism right now. I totally understand that And how I feel even about this show and you know, you're very clear that you're doing excellent analysis But we're not doing a lot of firsthand reporting because we're shining light on other people's reporting But just the ability to communicate with people the tools that are available make me into a huge optimist and I feel great about it Um, but I I don't Is Is in its uh prime or its easiest moment it's it's probably harder than it ever was because of figuring out where it should go But once we figure out where it should go and how it gets put back together It will be easier and better than ever is my my thought. Yeah I um uh Maybe I just feel good because I have 5,556 bosses who Who help us out who understand me who understand us. Thank you bosses Um, although I just went to patreon and it says, uh, please update my payment information. So my creators are supported Yep, uh, I hope that's not one of the bugs. I hope that's just true We try Oh boy, all right, I'll let that be for a second. Yeah, it's all right. I'm just paying your show anyway Well, you that's just I mean, I know you do it so that you can see the emails But they need to come up with multiple account holders. So we don't have to do it that way Yeah, but they I also do it because I want to be a co-EP With all the co-EP. Well, but you already outranked them Don't say that I don't know the live stream No, don't say that. I don't outrank them Um, but uh, I well whatever Um, you already have a title is what I'm saying. I have a title Um, but what I'm saying is, uh I want to be symbolically part of their community Of people who care enough about the show To pay ten dollars a month for it And I know we have which I give back to you. Yeah Yeah But I don't know it Yeah, interesting Hey, Roger, you should put your bio on our page Okay Hey, Roger, can we get a bio from you to put on our page and then can you give that bio to yourself? And then can you put it on our page? All right. Well, I would probably just link to the bible and say The book of Genesis All right, something a little more I was born of clay I was I was born clay-y Um, let's see what else is going on What else is going on today? We get a three-day weekend in the united states You know what I remembered like fortunately in time. I'm subbing for someone's class So all the friday, I thought I was gonna have or I was just gonna wake up late How do they have class on a holiday on the most on the nation's birthday celebrated friday is technically not the day Whatever That's the american way is to shift days around so that you can have them off So I guess i'll be celebrating my pre independence by talking about independent media on the web So, uh-huh, is it the same Is it kind of the same course that or is it like it's uh in the documentary side this side this time So so wait, you're subbing. Yeah, because someone else wanted to take that day off Yes, which is independence day, but I got someone to fill in for me on nertacular day So i'm cool with it Yeah, I guess that makes sense You're like three little fondsies. Yep Right, what? Interesting pulp fiction I've seen bits of it. We're all like three little fondsies roger. What does fondsies say? Hey, what does fondsies say roger? He says He says sit on it. That's all I always wanted the uh, was it honey bunny that says it He's cool. What is fondsie? It's cool. You know, I I think this is the first time I will admit this But I am not a big tenorino movie fan, but you've seen pulp fiction, right? I've seen it in so much that it was on TV and I left it and then I went up to grab like food Drinks and so I had it on I didn't really pay attention Unsubscribe She's unsubscribing to you roger Okay, no, I will agree with you that while early tarantino was revelatory Later, tarantino is getting a little referentially Proud of itself. I thought it basically what's the joke? It just shows you It just shows you all the trivia. He's stored by working his previous job. Yeah This that reminded me uh, the unsubscribe reminded me of Well the one year at the podcast expo when it was in ontario california And therefore was I was staying at the double tree next to the ontario convention center I was trying to go to sleep and some Rousty podcasters were having a rousing conversation Next to me and I could tell I could hear their conversation I could tell they were podcasters and they're talking about impressions and stuff at the internet And so I wrote on a blank piece of paper unsubscribe And shoved it under their door Feeling that that would be a more like in the spirit of the world And then I went back into my room and they I heard them discover it And then they were like does that say unsubscribe? I was in there just had some snap snotty things and then they quieted it down. Yep. That is a nice way to do it I like that And I wonder if they're listening right now Or if they all pod faded became accountants Or they have an accounting podcast and if they do You should subscribe I was about to say if you do let me know because I'm always looking for a good accountant But our accountant right now is great. Great. I'm actually pretty happy finally man. That was a long journey through the desert It's hard to find good help Sorry, I'm typing something All right, my face is my passport Authorize me. I feel like that's from a movie. Oh, yeah, I can't I can't tell you which one it's from But I know that's a line from the movie TV Zekon, what's the movie? Oh, no, it's my voice is my passport authorize me. No All right, I'm gonna wait 40 seconds instead of keeping to guess. I'm gonna wait 40 seconds for That's all I can safely sing yep You were one beat away from getting sued by Alex Trebek values My face is by passport most dreads You know, oh, that's the face of bow How long has Alex Trebek been at that job? What 30 40 thousand years? I've always wondered as kind of the Exercise if they were like sad that that show ended Like what would they do next would someone give them the opportunity to host a carry would take care of it sneakers Thank you. Thank you, Todd Whitehead That's what it was Verify me I got the I got the untouchables one only because we watched that recently again Uh, never stop. Don't stop Hey, look, I think I published the the uh the passport. I think I published the passport properly. I am out of the post now Okay Okay, fine Uh, well I I feel like, you know, so it's only going to be a headline show tomorrow Feel reluctant to leave No, did um, did we I know I feel like I wrote an email to Darren and Len Saying there wasn't going to be one or did we just tell them on the stream and should I write them another email? You should check to make sure you know I wrote I wrote it to them. Oh, you did Hello Friday folk the entire company voted and decided we should have Friday off. Yeah, so then So if Darren shows up and is like, hey, I'm here. It's not my fault. It's not your fault. No, absolutely not It just means he's awesome. I guess I mean you wouldn't hurt to write a reminder, would it? Well, I wrote it Len knows and if Darren shows up, then he'll do what he did the last time and join the headlines show Not wrong. Yeah, I know I could um January 25th 1979 Robert Williams was killed on the job in a flat rock michigan casting plant becoming the first recorded human death by robot That we know of January 25th 1921 a play called rossums universal robots by carol keppich debuted at the national theater in prog Is the first appearance of the word robot? It's check right end of the play spoiler alert at the end of the play the robots kill all the humans but one it's uh Yeah, check. I think you're right It's in prog so one wouldn't expect it to be frog I wrote it that way. I remember I wrote it that way because it said prog check of slavakia and i'm like A in 1921, I'm not sure it was check as slavakia, but it might have been but b it's not check in slavakia anymore But it would be wrong to say check republic So i'm just gonna not engage and just say prog That's one of those things where it takes a whole sentence to describe the thing you're talking about right And so you just leave it out country formally known as check of slavakia Which prior to that was known as maybe part of fresh up or not really sure Oh, yeah, 1918 is when check of slavakia was formed. So It would have been check of slavakia So it would have been accurate to write prog check of slavakia because it's accurate for that year, but Uh tvz gone asks a pertinent question. What time are the headlines going to be recorded tomorrow? Hmm They're the right to record than whatever I want. Yeah, uh, I'll probably do I'll probably do it at 130 Unless eileen says hey, I want to go do this thing And that means we won't be home at 130 in which case I might do it earlier But uh, I'll probably be shooting for 130 Um, I will probably not be involved at all. Is that okay because I'll be teaching apparently That I don't know. Yeah, no neither one of you should be it's just gonna be me recording And the only reason it is because I am going to be sitting at this rig anyway. So why not? I know I just feel weirdly bad when a show comes out and I haven't been involved in it It's my time alone with the audience You know And they all make references to stuff I gotta go look it up Um robata robata is a check word and it means surf flavor Robota yeah robota means worker Uh robot nick All of that. Yeah Robota is uh is russian for work as well So what do they call robots in russian robots? Is it still the same like What I don't know robot nick I'm hearing audio. I hate autoplay research. Well, but is robin russian. Yeah, I don't know that one. I've talked about My hand it is robot Think After the pilot that's autopilot After people Okay, okay. Derek chen wrote me a note very nice note explaining that when I buy something And I get auto retargeted to buy the same thing that that's a mistake. That's a company not doing it very well amazon is apparently commonly known for that But and then this I guess is amazon I bought station 11 a few days ago because that's the book this month on sword and laser And here I have an ad to buy station 11 Yeah, that happens to me a lot with amazon and I hate it Yeah, you know really that you know put on a turn on an ad blocker or a or a script blocker And you won't have to live in that world. I get it I like to Who at least run one browser the way the world sees it so that I don't become an elitist Maria from sesame street is retiring. I know Well deserved well deserved. She's been maria since night almost my whole life since 1971 thanks, uh It's a long time My friend the union organizer I tweeted a really nice sappy like oh maria, you know well deserved retirement My friend the union organizer responded to me on twitter is like man pbs must have a horrible retirement package She had to wait that long to retire or maybe she thought of the her audience and not for her own good Oh sure roger just take the side of the man Not this case louise Hey, you know what it's not to be too clear about the whole thing But one of the things I remember about unions is that one of the first the first organized union in america's original First act was to Basically get congress to pass the chinese exclusion act So I don't see it. You don't like that part of history. No, I wouldn't expect But you do like a 40 hour work week, don't you I do I have I have no gripes against So You know, it's it's it's hit and miss. It's all the thing is you can't you can't really separate it as in a black and white There are right things change and attitudes change and things change well This show is going to change But that doesn't mean you have to change the channel Uh, if you're watching diamond club dot tv for instance, stay tuned for the gizwa's show with omg chad and dick d bar tolo Immediately following the new quentin tarantino game show name that reference