 Hi, this is your host Ablim Bhartia and welcome to the 2023 Predictions series. And today we have with us once again, or vice, CEO and co-founder of Permit IO. Or it's great to have you on the show. It's great to be here. Really excited. Yeah, we cover Permit on a regular basis, but since we are doing this series, and I'm going to ask you to pick up your crystal ball and share your predictions. But quickly remind us, what is the company all about? Permit is a full stack permission solution with the premise of never having to build permissions again. Every product has to have access control and permissions, but there's no reason for developers to keep building it. So we provided out of the box so you can actually focus on building your product. Excellent. And now it's time for you to grab your crystal ball and tell us what predictions you have. So number one, DevSecOps and DevSecurity is going to consume the entire space. We've seen the complexity of software rising. We've seen everything shifting left, but I'm afraid that was only the start. In this upcoming year, we'll see security trickling down to every persona, every stakeholder would have to be involved in some way. We'll have to produce new tools, new flows, new interactions where the product managers, the compliance people themselves, sales, marketing, everyone will be able and will be required to chime in on security. As zero trust locks in all the spaces, we'll need everyone touching every space to participate in building security. Number two, effects on development technology and everything as code. So in the past few years, infrastructure as code has dramatically dominated the space and became a standard. And it's already starting to affect other spaces, configuration as code, policy as code. Our supply chain as code, we're seeing that with our software bill of materials with S-bomb. So we'll be literally seeing everything as code. Every little piece of ground that we've so far just left for humans and maybe more simpler data and schema configurations is going to be filled with code and those would be harnessing more people to write that code. Some of them will be writing it as classic code and coding languages and some of them will have to start harnessing no code, low code interfaces, which brings us to number three, low code, no code. This has been a buzzword for a while. We've seen platforms and solutions coming up to dominate the space with that specific differentiating offer and this is gonna become less of a gimmick and less of a utility and more something that is coming throughout the entire space. We'll be seeing low code, no code being powered by new interfaces. If drag and drop was the way to go with it in the past, more and more we'll see more sophisticated interfaces, mainly driven by AI, things that like generative AI with prompt engineering becoming a basically a classic way to interact with most of our software. This will essentially mean that every one will become an engineer because you'll be driving complex systems with these interfaces and more often than not, these interfaces will also be generating code for you. Number four, basically bringing all of these together. We'll see security proliferate into the entire space. We'll see policy is code and everything is code becoming the baseline of how we manage all of our complexities and we'll see how no code through AI interfaces and other simplifying interfaces become the way that we manage all of these things together. So security, everything is code and low code to connect it all together. That's what I'm seeing for 2023. Thanks for sharing those predictions. Tell us a bit about what is going to be the focus for the company in 2023. Obviously a lot of the predictions that I've given here are from my unique perspective or permits unique perspective into the market. We're in a very interesting intersection of DevSecOps between developers, building software and security for that software. Access control in general is a critical fundamental experience that every application has to have. But the more applications are growing it becomes more and more complex to manage them. So that really forces us as permit alongside the customers we support to tackle the question of how can we manage that complexity and how we can make it easy enough for everyone building a product to actually focus on building the product as opposed to dealing with all of this complexity. And I think people are seeing that just like with authentication and encryption you less and less want to roll authorization on your own. You wanna rely on something. And so with these predictions we are essentially seeing that we have to bring these interfaces to the market. We need to enable our customers to work with low code to be able to manage their policies to be able to define their zero trust architectures and security into what they're building with DevSecOps. And in the end of the day to keep everything manageable to keep everything with a single source of truth we really think that that's where policies code is coming in. And that really forces us to build very, very fine tuned interfaces for our customers. So all of these things can chime in together. What are the challenges that you see will be there in 2023 and how do you see permit helping customers kind of navigate through some of those challenges? I think one of the unique things that will kind of come to a head in 2023 is the widespread and depth of compliance. It's been, it's kind of a dragon looming in the background for quite a while. We've started to see a take effect with GDPR and CCPA and even classic things like SOC2 and HIPAA. These are kind of driven, I wouldn't say by a vicious cycle but some kind of cycle more and more companies are catering to more compliance companies and as a result, they have to be compliant themselves. At this point, I think within 2023, maybe 2024 we'd be hard pressed to find any B2B company that doesn't have at least one's compliance certification in place. So this kind of creates a baseline, essentially for the market, kind of a tide that floats all both. Everyone would have to face compliance. Everyone is gonna have to go through these processes and then the question is, what tools do they have in place to mitigate all of this additional work that is being added? And for permit specifically, we are realizing that a huge percentage of the work around compliance is essentially work around checks and balances of access control. Who can do what? So automating that, creating the interfaces to work with them more easily becomes not just something that is important in accelerating and it becomes something that is critical so you can actually get to building the things that you want. Thank you so much for taking time out today and of course share these predictions with us. I didn't want to put any pressure but of course we'll have you next year again. And hold a scorecard to see how many of these predictions turn out to be true and get a new set of predictions for next year but I really appreciate your insights today and look forward to talk to you soon. Thank you. Thank you. I look forward for next year and thanks for having me.