 Bob, it's a long way from potato country in northern Maine to the rice fields of Southeast Asia. How did you make these long jumps and what were the stops along the way that led to the great work that you and your colleagues did at the International Rice Research that changed the rice production in much of the world? The Rockefeller Foundation, as you know, had programmed mainly with maize and wheat in Mexico, in Colombia, in Chile, and in India, those four countries. And in 1950s Warren Weaver and George Roy, George Roy and then a move from Mexico back to the New York office, the director for the Agricultural Sciences, and here Warren Weaver decided they'd take a look at Asia, and they found that rice was terribly important. There were over two billion people that were pending on rice for their staple food, and they said, we'd better get into this. And so they came back and wrote a report, and in that report they said that they had the idea of forming an international rice research institute with support from the various countries that grow rice, principally mainly Asian countries. And they went from country to country asking if they would be willing to support such an institute. And every leader of every country said, sure, we'll have it in our country, but of course you would only have it in one country. And the others were reluctant or didn't feel confident that they could contribute to one another country. So they came back and called, gave up the idea of having that, but said, well, we'll strengthen the institutions that are there, and that's when Dick Bradfield and I were out in the field looking for ways to help these agricultural, U. O. University's experiment stations with more equipment, with training people, and with strengthening their libraries, and whatever those things the Rockefeller Foundation did. Well, then one day, I think August 18th, 1958, Frosty Hill invited George Harar and me to come over to the Ford Foundation for lunch to talk about cooperation in Pakistan. You see, as Haldar Hansen, George Gantt was at that time, and George Gantt was the director for, represented for the Ford Foundation in Pakistan. And we had talked about a cooperative program at Lyall-Pore. And so he said, next time we get both in New York, let's get together and talk about them. That was the purpose of that luncheon. But you know, in the process, Frosty Hill said to George Harar, you know, George, somebody should do something with rice, the way you people have done with corn, and we. George said, well, we're very interested in it, but we haven't been able to launch this thing alone. Well, he said, we've got money, we've got similar purposes, and you've got the experience. You've had been abroad in these places. You know how to run it. Let's get together and see what we can do. And so that's how the International Rituals Institute got started.