 It is Monday, August 15th, 2022. We're at 79 School Street at the John public meeting room. This is the Moretown Select Board and we're going to start with general public comments. That's the public meeting to order. And I don't think we have anyone for general public comment, is there? No one and there does not appear to be anyone online with that. Go ahead and Cheryl Lynn Brown, step on up. And you're here to talk about the town hall at the ready in River Road Finance. So why don't we go ahead and start with River Road Finance if you don't mind. So when we did the grant, the original estimate that was put in was $145,000 and the new estimate has come back at $160,800. It's the contract for pipe was $160,188,000, if I remember correctly. Right, and so at least there's remaining balance that we're going to be short of $48,849, 20% of that. 32,000 would be our match at that 160, but there's another 21,000 roughly that we are short because of that 142, 160, 188, so you have a solution. Well, there's a couple of things that Andrew, I spoke with Ray about it. We can use the Capital Reserve Fund and either vote to pay it back next year or not pay it back, or we can use our funds as a loss revenue. What about, I thought we were looking at additional money from the state? Yes, I also sent an email to our district advisor and asked her if there's any more funds in a reserve fund that she could possibly get to us. I have not heard back from her yet, so once I do I'll let you know. I just wanted you guys to be aware of that. So we're seeking around 21,000 from that particular funding end to cover that difference to the 141,60, but we're still going to have at least 32,000 matching 20% on that road. Which is the grant, so we need to decide at a minimum what we're gonna do with the 32,000 and perhaps up to 53,000. 40. Or 48, so we'll have to round it off. And Cheryl said we could use Capital Reserve funds. Downside of that would be what? The ARPA funds. Downside of the Capital Reserve fund, I mean it's, the money's there for you guys to use it. But what about? We don't have much to be happy about. Unfortunately, I do not pull it up, because I can skip over it. Do you have a tour of your work? I'll pull the bank statement real quick. I'm not gonna do that. I know the right to do that. We're not looking at 20%. I'm showing 92,000 with the $19,000 that we're through. And we're not looking at that. 92,000. Yeah. $20,000, $19,000 entered cents. Exactly. So, typically we use that for these types of things. Right. Capital, this is a capital project. Or? Yeah, but just weren't good. I did talk to play a couple of things. If we choose, if we won't, right now there's, they could do the job in October. They would do the job next year without increasing their price. And perhaps the price could go down because of the asphalt price itself might go down. Possibly. Might also go up too, I guess, but seems like it's going down. So, I mean, it's an option that we don't pipe or honor their bid until we just agree that they'll do the job if we want to wait until spring next year to expand our options as far as payment. What's, and you get outside of that, the road, I mean, I know it's going to deteriorate more, but they're tearing the whole thing up when they're ready. Yeah, right. So, I did talk to Martin about it. UPO's, you know, he doesn't really like the, getting it done late October is not the best. Right. Or it doesn't give any time for it to settle down. The actual sub-based conditions, road conditions, they might be less than what we, less desirable than a good spring, summer. It's just an option that we could do. I think it's a good option. To wait, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, one downside to that would be, it's pretty hard on the plow already going over that because it's the terrain, just some, something that's a downside to it. But I also agree with everybody else that we don't want to do it in late October, have a sub-par product. Well, again, you're ripping up the old payment anyway, right? We will be, so why don't you rip it up in the fall? That's maybe a possibility. Picking the payment up, very grinding it, grinding it and just leaving it. Yeah. I can certainly ask them. Can I just say something just because I looked down that way, that was one of the problems, why we picked it? Because in the spring it was unpassable. Right, but we did have a lot of milk trucks coming in. All hours of the night, that really tore it up pretty quickly as well. Without that kind of traffic, I think. It's not really moving as bad as it used to be before. Yeah, plus, I mean, I really, if this is what you've done, people feel that it's better to do something like that in the spring rather than kind of rush it towards the end. I think so. I'm more inclined to go ahead with that. And if there are real bad, that I haven't been out there, I mean, I gave a real bad spot out there. If there's something that needs to be addressed, maybe we can get Pipe to address that as far as keeping something out. So it's not gonna kill the equipment, but we've done this long. We'll get that in on the road a little bit. And as long as we have something in writing that they are in that hold that price. Yeah, it's fine. All right, I guess that is just fine. Unless any objections to that or does everyone agree? Done? Yeah, yeah. And the next thing is the North sidewalk study the grant we just received. We need to have two people selected for the at-the-ready process to highly consult them to do the study. All right, is there a lot of what we're gonna get on there? And Chris highly recommends he's the gentleman that I work with closely at the state that we use at the ready. Was it the one that we use for the current sidewalk in the north as well? It used to be. Any volunteers as far as who would like to be on that? And there are two people and you would evaluate wherever they have at the ready, which is usually two or three firms. You would do kind of what Ray just recently did or they did with the wastewater project. It's this firm finds, I explained to me just a little bit more again. Sure. At the ready, it's something that the state has kind of a category that has consulting services that are already been vested, I guess, if you have. So. Invented. Invented, excuse me. So they will provide you with these names and then of these consultants that we're choosing to do the study over there. And so it needs two members on the board too. And the study is to see if it can be done? Feasibility study, yes. Yeah, if the width is there and the grade and the thing and we'll run on. Right, and the reason is, you know, the track, you know. That's all there. Yeah, no, I think that's. Yeah, I'll hope that you have to do that step before you can go to the next. Any of the grants that you'd get require a feasibility study. And when does that start right away? Yeah, you would start working with Chris on. It's actually, I mean, I'm trying to correct you. It's a school game study. School. Yeah. Yeah. So you work with Chris on the selection of an interview. So it's a couple. And I can do it as well, a couple hours a week or month. Yeah, also that. Couple of emails or whatever. Yeah. So I'll send out an email and let Chris, I'll send you the link to go to the after party website and then you guys can go from there. Okay. And I'll let Chris know, I'll put Chris on the email so that he'd worry about the two of you. And then he'll be getting in touch with us. Well, you guys will have to submit. You guys will both have to look at all of the number. Remember? The consultants? Yeah, you'll have to look at all the consultants. They have, it's like they're, what are they? What are new consultants? Yeah, well, it tells you about their business. Yeah. So a little bit of you guys will then select it from there. And then. Oh, Ray and I would select two out of the lists. Oh, okay. Yeah. You would basically score them. Right. Independent. Mm-hmm. He does the same thing, I think. Is it Chris doing the same thing or is it just? Chris is involved with everything, yeah. Good. All right. So, Don and Ray and, you know, we have the town hall. Last time we got together there was a presentation on how Don, you were involved in that. We were talking about management of the town hall. Sherilyn, I know you were instrumental at this point in managing that or taking reservations for that. I know you've had some concerns and I think you shared it with that committee. I did. Yeah. And you were concerned about the management in particular feeding someone a third party rather than someone that's occupying the space at this point. Yeah, that's what I told the committee. I didn't feel that it would be very, I feel like it needs to be somebody who's going to be mutual on the town side and on the library side. Not just, you know, not just the town, not just the library. It needs to be somebody who's, because of the issues that we've had and the complaints that we've had coming in. So, I mean, I'm fine doing it until somebody does it, it's not a problem, it's more, you know, but as far as the money collecting, the money collecting would definitely still have to come with me. Oh yeah, well, that's what we, that's right in the document that was created. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, I think one of the things we said was that we would give it a try to see, I mean, the problem is that as the programs grow there and then someone, as it was described, you know, programs are ongoing there and happening and then someone calls to rent the town hall, which is definitely supposed to, we're doing it, it's supposed to happen, but the benefit of having someone from at this point the library and someday be a third person once we renovate it and we get, we're a year away from that anyways, because we're gonna do the schematic design thing and, you know, get to be ready for town hall meeting to see what people select to have done or not done. And then after that, then, assuming we've done some stuff to bring it around to more of a community center, then hopefully the place will be able to then get involved into a third party manager, absolutely, it will be like, maybe the whole facility, you know, and maybe that person will make us, you know, the events going on will enable us to even, you know, that person will get us small part-time pay or something, I mean, that's five years from now, who knows, you know, I don't know. You know, we're all learning and growing with this, right, you know, as we go, because it's new, we're trying to do something more than just have the building be town meeting and rentals for, like, my next birthday party, which I've had birthday parties, you know, and we will continue to do that, but the kitchen will get fixed up and, you know, we're gonna integrate it with the library and we'll be able to know all this whole field. So it's just that right now, sometimes, and I'm not really, I'm on the sidelines watching, you know, someone calls you to rent it, the library has got some program and there's a little clash of, like, you know, okay, well, we gotta hurry up and put it all away and, okay, we're gonna rent it this day. You know, as the folks said the other night we were working on it and they did take everybody's input and it certainly hurt with Yosua Sheridan was that it, and again, why we're gonna do a trial for six months is it just was gonna make it easier to coordinate those, all the events, you know, like, oh yeah, we can leave at one, sure, you wanna be here at two, on this day we can do that, you know, I mean, there'd be a chance to coordinate it, you know, as it was happening, rather than Sheridan sends an email, the library responds, you know, and it goes back and forth sometimes and misunderstandings happen and whatever, you know, and again, it's just, it's definitely new but, and just to go back to the design thing, when we get to that thing, it's gonna be, it's such, if you remember seeing some of the designs we've had that the library will be able to fold up and, you know, right now we're having to roll things out of the way, you know, to have it happen, so, you know, it's gonna be much more of an easy switchover, so to speak. Anyways, so, I, we're gonna be making a decision on that tonight. Yeah. But I just wanted to hear, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. everyone around the table with, you know, Sheridan's input. Absolutely, no, we're, yeah, no. Is there a calendar for that? Yeah, it's online. Yeah. But like everyone can see, it's, yeah, it's right on the website. Yeah. It's been there for a couple of years. Actually, it's been here, it's been there for all these six years. Well, they can look and see what's. But a lot of times people just call up and go, can we rent them all such and such a day, you know? I don't know what they're on about. Great. Well, like we just had a request today for some of you to have a possible wedding there. It's raining, it's gonna be on a Saturday, which means the library won't be able to be open and it's rented. There's actually none of them coming up that we just booked as well, which I sent off, but even then I get them, I send them over to Corey's to get a plan on it. Mm-hmm. So. You know what, it was all over. They were gonna start the weddings. The weddings usually end up being an all day thing because they have to set up. Right. And the library's open because it's ten of them. Ten of them. Ten of them. Yeah. So you could say they only want to rent a ticket if it's raining? Yeah, so it's a backup because the wedding's outside. This is just, this is just. That's a different law to plan, isn't it? Unless you plan it in advance now, the library's just not gonna be open. Right, they're gonna have to, they're gonna have to rent the hall. Oh yeah. They don't want you to have to. They pay for it. They pay for it. And they can use it or not. They don't want you to have to. Yeah. You can't scheme that on a stable. No, they don't pay for it. Okay. All right. Yeah. I just wanted to clear it. No, it definitely gets paid for it. No, it's all good, you know, because it's the building being used. Right. You know, we're only looking into the future. It's really gonna get used. It'll be fun. It'll be nice. Yep. All right. Anything else, Cheryl? No. So we're keeping it as it is. I'm still gonna be continuing to. Right. I don't think we've made any decisions on that. I think probably our next meeting, in fact, I'll send everyone, we've had the proposal that we heard the other night. Our last meeting, Cheryl and had some concerns, and we can come back our next meeting and figure that out and move forward with that. It's Clark. You know, if he was down on being online or coming up. He didn't let me know. Oh, must have been online. He's just been on right now. And that was hard to raise. Hey, Clark. Hello, Clark. Hey, everybody. Are you ready to go? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I can't hear you. Nothing's still. I didn't see you. You're not mutilating. Being online looks like you're, otherwise I see your face, which is probably good for you. Right now, Clark. You got me now. He's gonna come back home. He's a little bit of a mind-boggling person. You can call him out of the phone. Hey, Clark. And now? Nothing's still. Did we even see him? Yeah, I can see right here. Up there, he has a light. And his microphone seems to be working. He's not muted. He's got a big one on the line or something. He's not patient. Yeah. He's gonna get to the end of it. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Okay, anything yet? I'm running out of time. Okay, wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait, wait. Look at that. Oh, there we go. Oh, here it comes. Here it comes. Yeah. Yeah. It's literally the apples. We have a TV. It's up on the wall. In the corner? Yeah. So it's not. Yeah. Very comfortable, God. Afterwards. And you got a light. Oh. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. There we go. Cool. Well, maybe the clock will come down. We can go a little bit. Yeah. You're gonna be touching it. You're gonna be touching it. All right, we want to hear it some more. All right. We want to hear it some more. We want to hear it some more. How about now? Nothing? Nothing yet? Wait a minute. Anything yet? Now? Nothing? Clark, wait. No, we have Mike around here. And we're going to use it and show him for a moment. Come back to you. That's good. OK. He's at his bar right here. And we'll see you back here. And we'll get this figured out. Sign out. Come back. All right. Mike, how are you tonight? It's good. Why don't you go on and wish to roll up to the desk here so we can see you. So I had a call from Mike a couple weeks ago. And he had expressed a willingness or wanted to come in and talk to me more about overweight vehicle restrictions during miles hours. So Mike, why don't you go ahead and pull over when you do something more understandable about your scholarship? Right. So I'm a forester. So I'm, of course, an active company in Newarktown. And so part of my business is I facilitate volume for folks on the property, between the landlord and the lawyer. And so we have more time to take away trucks on the roads during bus hours. And the rules have been there for a long time. I don't know how long it's going to take to work in Newarktown. So eight or 10 years. And I live there, I think, last year because of COVID, this school was running two bus routes. So normally, all of us were right. And so then I was like, I didn't have enough to go to Newarktown last year. And but if that had been increased last year after the four hours today, that somebody couldn't be on the roads. And then I just started thinking about more. And as far as I know, it's the only town I've ever worked in that has that role. There's some other towns that have some weird truck restrictions. The only other, like, that's what's got me going over to Hampshire. And so I just wanted to start discussions with anyone who would like to go over there and start to talk about potentially talking about changing it. I did just call some of my work with and take it in current. I mean, he's been, I've told you, Tommy's all do-of-tea trucks. And they're inspected every year for trucks and trailers. And the drivers have to get their health inspections every year. So yeah. Sure. John, any old little bit about it? Yeah. I mean, excuse me, I mean, primarily safety reasons. And historically, they've run on the roads anyway. And they don't even have a lot of them. They don't even have overall permits in the truck. We've had a lot of trouble with body trucks, right, Stefan? Usually, mostly, a lot of people are used to the problems. Yeah, that's from what I've heard. That's it. Yeah, there's a few that are divided by the rules, and I've seen them waiting. But also, I've passed them during school, this hour, so I don't get up. So I mean, I guess it's really just safety reasons. Yeah, I understand that there's an obvious implication for safety in the 12-wire place. But I think that all the other town-to-town stuff have it. And it can be very restrictive if someone's like, I'm going to have a job one more time, not road swimmer. And it's going to be pretty restrictive if they can't drop on a more town-to-town road ball from whatever time it is, and then from 2.7 to 3.15 or something. Just it's right in the middle of the day, where usually those guys come early, they get loads, come back, and it's essentially an hour and a half or two hours a day, but it's not really what they think. And yeah, and then I kind of said to Tom, so if someone's really going to drive that way, right, and then bring a grab or something over your trucks, no one's probably going to know this if you're going to school this hour. So maybe you don't know, but if you're in one place, like if you're walking somewhere all winter, that it actually, you know, it ain't going to be used to that, obviously. So I understand it's obviously put there for safety. And I'm not trying to, you know, I don't want anything unsafe to happen, but none of the other towns have ever worked in that restriction. I'm surprised that the other valley town's done. It's the only town that I've, at least, it's ever been brought to my attention. So. Well, I think that's true. I know we used to do that in that little way, so I think this is the only town that we ever can have that we really, but when we did, it had an office of work with you and I, but we always found out one of us and I think we were trying to work with them. So yeah, if the buses are on that road at that time, when traffic's even, then it's good, you know. Okay. And you can call the bus driver to get their schedule. Right. Yeah, I'm not exactly when they're on the road or when they're going to take the town. We prefer that rather than just give you a blanket. But, you know, I'm in favor of, you know, I think the strategy of the road's a lot better on the other side right now. I think that's why we're up now that we're just, you know, everybody's driving safe like they should be at bus and in a long truck or a very truck to be on the road and safely without, you know, without having an incident. You know, obviously the road is slippery or something like that, it should be on the road. It would be interesting to know that that regulation or rules put in place in more time. It's more back than I was thinking about it. So, I mean, in any sense to me, that during my season route, now roads are both with weight restrictions. Well, I actually believe it here, right? You know, I'm not trying to, no, no, no, I didn't say that after he seems what makes a lot of sense, right? But other than that, the other side of the year, I don't think it would be good. I think, as John mentioned, I think a lot of people are more at anyways. I think we could work with, or just like yourself, wanting to get people to work with the bus department and just make sure, all right, the bus is gonna, this is a good time, it's 15 minutes right here. Let's try to stay in the truck or off the side of the road at this point. All right, but let's, we'll give it a little bit more and see what we can, but like you said, this is a great start. Yeah, I just wanted to start the discussion on finding out if there are other things, another town, Sasha, if you don't mind checking other neighborhood towns, based on what would it be, what would be the vlogging town for that, but I don't feel, you know, we certainly want to work with everyone in the neighborhood. Where would we find that? Like when it was written, political effect, that was in 1957, that was actually really in 1956. I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. I think that we'll start, we'll start in English. Well, I'll start at John here, remember me? Cheryl, how did I do that? I mean, so, Cheryl was standing in the house. A.A. So, and A.A. when you went on the show? Yeah, okay. So we'll write that down, you know, you can look at it, it's a small amount of I.A. Oh, okay. Well, I don't know, maybe it was a lot of that, a lot of, I don't know, it was a little bit of an accident. Yeah, I think things are coming along when you said that. Things are coming along. Yeah, I think between the way we take care of the roads, yeah, the machinery that he's actually using, it's not in a long pop with a long truck anymore, it's exactly what he said, you know, or anything like that. So we'll do a little research, Mike, if you wanted, you know, check around yourself, see what else. Okay. Other challenges for me, you know, pop with Sasha, you can, you know, try to figure out what to do. You know, what to do. Okay. It really involves. Yeah. Okay, so let me tell you a challenge that I know a lot of that have a restriction, Woodstock has a right restriction in the village, but that's because they develop on truck traffic in the village, but for that, you can get a permit, right, I can say it's 75 and then came over here for just nine of the low cases, they do it on, but like they can just restrict the total hours and number of trucks you can have on the road, so that's a totally different type. So those are the challenges that we have, besides the actual roadway, right? Yeah. It's all willing to work with you on something. Okay. I just wish it. Okay. Anything else? Do you have anything to say, Mike? Okay. All right ladies and gentlemen, we could read you 24th, right? Yes, yes sir. Yeah, we're gonna read that, so from now on... Just kidding. That may be a car here. Well, from here. Hey folks. Clark. Nick, you got me now, right? I just didn't slide it out. How are you doing now, Clark? Oh, it's okay. Okay, wait a minute. Okay, you can still hear me, right? Anything with the phone? Yeah, I'm using the phone, yeah, yeah. So I think when I'm speaking that your video goes away, but that's fine. So the update is, I have a meeting with Robert Clark with Jonathan Lee Condon, say, Clark. And I also have a, I tried to contact a couple of people with the state, one of who is on vacation. So I hope to get that person, Tom Brown, but by the time we have the meeting on Thursday. And I didn't get a chance, Ray, to talk with you, but is there a chance that you could come to that meeting? It's a Zoom meeting, or not a Zoom meeting, but a Teams meeting Thursday at 10. So, Clark, we missed the last 30 seconds of it. So if you could start over. Oh, I got to talk over? Yeah. I didn't hear anything until I last heard it. It's a dimes. Yeah. It's got two things on it. Clark, hang up your phone or one of your computer objects. Yes. Go ahead, you can. Yes. Well, that's nice, but I can't hear you guys. This is so bizarre. Though this is really true, right? You can hear me, but I can't hear you. You can hear you fine. Teams that way. Oh my gosh. Okay. So, I think the best way for me to remedy this is just to come. It's just, I was in another Zoom meeting. That's why I was doing this. Okay, so I'm going to hang up. I'll be at the office in a few minutes. There we go. Okay. Good idea. Thank you, Zoom and other meetings. Step on. So why don't you step up here? Oh boy, step on, step up. Still step on, step on. Please. So I'm going to start for the board. You guys have me get some money numbers together for a tanker truck. And I've been working hard on it. I spent the last month and a half building a spec sheet 39 pages long. So I wanted to be close to apples as apples as we could get. As far as budget numbers go, and I only got two back of the four people I got a hold of. And the lower of the two is 466,499. 466,499. And the higher of the two is 557,186. And when they sent this one, they gave me an estimated if I would be to wait till town meeting day, it would be 625. So that's a new time, definitely. Two years for both companies were two years out, I'm getting. So my recommendation from what I've uncovered would be somewhere in the middle $500,000 to put in for a budget number. I know that that's a huge amount of money. I had a million dollars for a tanker truck. And how many gallons is it? 2000. 2000, yeah. You get the numbers and they're real. They are real. I've heard about a plastic case. And they're two fairly local ones based out of St. Albans, one based out of Jericho. So it's, and I, those are the only two that even got back and one of them called me today and said it'll be like a month before I could get to a budget number. So that was just a little out there for me. And this is all, you know, the, what's the need in a tanker truck? It's not, you know, this is the basic tanker truck. That's everything. This is the basic tanker truck with the caveat that we, when I discussed it with you folks, we discussed having the pump install on it so they could pump it down the water and stuff. And that's what the pump and so on to pump it down the water. Obviously a four wheel drive. Yes, it is a four wheel drive truck. I've already cut down the motor to a smaller size. I've tried to, I've tried to cut all the, the big bells and whistles around already because I know that it's just, it's a huge number. Yeah, it's weird that they'd be off almost 100,000. Well, I will tell you from what, I've done a lot of research now. I would call myself a subject matter expert, if you will. One of the brands of trucks is the Cadillac and one of the brands is the Chevrolet. Like it. What are the brands? Pierce and E1 are the two brands. Less expensive one is E1 and more expensive one. And both, both are common in Vermont. E1 is the whole fleet of weights field, the whole fleet of water very, and Pierce is more like Essex, Stone, but Danville and things like that as well. I've been trying to do my research and probably I would estimate I have like 70 hours into this project myself. And I will say, I know it's hard to swallow, but we've been trying and we've done a lot of diligence trying to make this work as far as the truck or what we were trying to, I applied for the AFU grant and Steve applied for the AFU grant. I actually found some minutes from 3-10 in 2014 where we asked for a tank truck. Started the process. We also asked for a pumper as well. They had touched in a few years. But it's, I know it's hard, but it sounds like it's not going down to a weight longer. And what's the, did they last 10 years, 15 years or? They used to last, the life expectancy was 30 years. Both the manufacturers now are telling me it's 15 to 20 is the life expectancy before we start having major. Okay, so we talked about using some offer funds so that would bring it down, right? And both people did say, these are rough budget numbers. They're not necessarily the best price, but they don't know what inflation's gonna do either. It's the way they were to me. Both the numbers are before the end of the year. Obviously we go up to like the 625 and we made a full time meeting for the peers. I didn't get that from E1. I wasn't really asking for that. That is, I'm happy I got a little bit of insight on it. If we could get financing for 15 or 20 year period, is it like that? I would think so, yeah. I mean, if the process, life expectancy is 15 to 20 years, then why would we try to finance it for that long? Or maybe 10 to 15 years financing. Obviously we don't want to go to the high end of it. And if we could, for instance, take 150,000 out of our fund, that brings it down that much more than we're trying to get a bond out of it. So what were you thinking of? I know we originally talked putting out November ballots. Yes, today is your very last chance from what Sherilyn told me, to put it out when we're going to vote, right? And I know that's another answer. But I certainly, I worry about waiting, caution about waiting, because it doesn't sound like it's gonna go down. I mean, it sounds like it's gonna continue to go up. And I do know all the manufacturers have been talking. There's new restrictions that BPAs will be putting out by 2024, it sounds like, and it's gonna bring a cost of the motor on the truck of approximately $40,000. And that's across the board. That's not just international or just Mac, yes. That's across the board of all trucks. I mean, from the mandates, I just pick all those things, right? Something like that, yes. So I guess I've tried to do the best I can and get the best insight I can on it. And I'm alive, pretty tired of going through all this stuff. But I certainly feel like I've done my new deal to try to get what makes the most sense. The thing with two-year at E-time is that, you know, the longer it goes, the one we have is getting pretty down on the side, right? Yep, and I don't know. Two years down the road. I found out that apparently in 2014 it had some welding done to it to keep it going until we got it on Taker. I don't even know where that weld is. I don't know if it's still there or not. It must be holding. Exactly, it must be holding together. I just, it's frankly scary to me to not go in there one day and we'll start with it now. I mean, we've been really diligent about starting them every meeting, you know, moving them around. How was, you made a remark, you know, see you in a couple of years. How was the rest of the fleet there? It's aging. I've been putting engine long-longs that we got from the York views. I've been picking away at little things that it suddenly won't do. Like right now I'm fighting with getting it to draft water. I've had a technician up there a couple different times, tried a couple of the low dollar items. It looks like it's gonna need about $1,500 worth of air work so that it can pull water to the user's air to make the force to pull the water up. And as far as our other engine, our four-wheel drive engine, I'm chasing water leaks. I've had two water leaks because it's all a cast iron system or black iron, if you think. So it's starting to decay because all the minerals in the river water can simply use this to fill the truck with. So it's, there's a lot of maintenance coming forward on those, but it's not, it'll be a few years, probably, and I will be talking about a pump or a truck as well. And I don't know how to sugar coat that. There's no good way to sugar coat that. So the actual tanker truck wouldn't have a fire when you're using it, you bring it to the site and you pump some water to the pump truck? So the one we have now just dumps the water in a bag and then the pump truck sucks it out of the bag, which is still an option. But what's becoming more common in the industry of Vermont Firefighting is trying not, because when you first get there, there's not a lot of people to get the bag to get everything going. So that tanker truck can theoretically hook right up, throw its water into the engine and take off and go get water. And then when people arrive, you can get that port of tank out and such. And also for the fill site, getting the truck filled back up, oftentimes that can be a lengthy process because you have to get the portable pump off the truck, get it down by the river without dying, get it in the water, run the hose up to the truck and then it only fills it, you know, whatever that little 12-horse motor can do. So it makes a lot of sense to get a truck that can pump as well as cold water and dump water. And I think it was better for a lot of the little things that we do in work town, i.e., you know, I've been to a few dumpster fires. Well, if I go to 2,000 gallons on that one tank truck, I can pump what I need to out of it to put that fire out. As opposed to having to bring the engine, drop a bag, get the water out of the tanker and get that fire out. So it will help to be a multi-use vehicle. I know. Have you ever looked at the, I mean, this may sound way out there, to just get a 2,000 gallon tank and put it on a flat-bed truck with a pump. It would be a lot less than $500,000. It would be, but I have to follow the NFBA regulations. And they have so many regulations. You have to have roll-over protection. It has to have an anti-wet operating system. It has to monitor the tires. It has to have a black box. There's so many restrictions to it. And obviously, I don't want the truck that just carries water and pumps with it. You know, it's got to have the hose beds for us to be able to have the hose stored in a place to put the portal on for when we do need to use it. So it's, I know it's, I know. And you'll find the price of everything, including just the base truck itself, it's absolutely going through the group as well. And it's all part of the fire, arriving at a fire, and it's all part of the firefighting system. Right. With the truck. Yes. So the NFBA is a National Fire Protection Agency and they, or administration, excuse me, and they basically, they set up so that me as a fireman in more town, Vermont, could theoretically go to FDN line and know that the truck's going to operate the same, know that the gear's going to hold up the same, know that if I put on an air mask, it's going to hold out for 30 minutes of a thousand degree temperatures on it. It's things like that, that are required and we wouldn't even get insured without meeting all those current requirements. And I know that. Well, we have, we can put it on and we also have the options. I mean, we're seeking permission to go ahead and do that. We don't have to, if we find that there's another option or we just decided as a board, you know what, we can't do it, we can't do it. But I think we should probably go ahead and check in with the voters. You know, between now and then, we're going to be able to look into the finance that we have for half a million in ARPA funds and there's no way saying that we should use all that. But there's probably a certain amount that should be put towards it using those funds. So I don't, you know, if we want to ask for that amount or you ask for 450,000 knowing that you're going to be using upwards of 100,000 maybe more from the ARPA funds and that might make it a little bit palatable, more palatable to the voters. What's everyone's thoughts? Well, one thought is that is there, since it's two years down the road, I mean, is there any scenario where we could put a deposit, say, or get one in the works, you know? I don't know, maybe that's, I don't know how much they're going to require for the deposit, so maybe I'm talking about in the evening. But just following that line of thought that we could get something in the books just to, because to have someone have it on just a vote on November where we're not really having any kind of a meeting or discussion unless we've made a presentation more fast or something, you know? I just don't know if the townspeople, unless we can educate folks about it enough, including on, you know, we all have to educate ourselves about it as well so we can talk to the community. But in the long run, it's something we need. We have more people moving into the town. I mean, we have people, you know, we all live here. So I forbid there's an emergency, you know? We're going to need the equipment for firefighting, so not that we have, you know, what do we get for attendance at our meeting? A hundred people, but, you know, there's a little more time. Discussion. And, you know, people can be made aware. Maybe then it's an article, but I don't know how we can wait till then and still maybe figure out a way to, like, okay, we're going to buy September by October 1st. We're going to figure out how we can make an order. The problem with that is everything that we submitted that we're going to do in an article from my understanding is now. So if we don't do it now, we're basically looking at, by the look of it, you know. No, that's what he said a little bit more. What he's, what Don is saying is, how, I guess the question is, what's the process as far as putting a deposit or getting one ordered, if you will? I don't know that, so it's just getting the budget, you know, getting some budget numbers together for it. And what's... And I know that we timed two years, but I don't know as far as if we said, you know, if the voter said, yes, we would order the truck then, but I don't know if there is a deposit or if there is how much it is. But it might make sense, depending, because it's two years out, will that be enough time to use the ARPA money on it? Or should we pay the deposit with the ARPA money? Well, again, are you going to, I guess we just don't know the process as far as, I mean, you've got some budget numbers, but all right, now you wanna put this out in the dip and you get the best price for it from these guys. And what's the, all right, we choose someone, but then voters, what if we go with Don's scenario and we choose something and then we put it in front of the voters in March, but we have something already in line. What's, if the voters say no, is there a... Oh, could they, for instance, take the truck and sell it to somebody else if we, for some reason, can't? Right, because it's a two, because of this two-year lead time, I can't imagine that you couldn't... Find somebody else in line. That would jump ahead in line, you know. Right, I don't know a lot about that, because this way it gives us already more time to figure out how you wanna pay for it, but also gets it in there in order to do this possible. Right, I don't know how that works at all. Obviously, they're taking a little bit of time to figure it out. I can call them necessarily right now. Right. Which kind of, what's this between Rock and Hard Place? Because I wasn't aware that it was coming up so soon that the deadline to get it. That would be a nice really... It just kind of, all of a sudden came up and in the conversation, I'm like, oh crap, I gotta just better move more efficiently, because I spent all the time, because I wanted to make sure that what we got was gonna be a quote across the board. So I'm trying to make it happen, but I hope for the best of my ability. Well, so far, we've committed, well, no, we haven't, totally completely. We've got 100, 100,000 committed, that's neck of the woods, the town hall, and CB5. And then there was some talk of maybe 100,000 using that for our taxes. I think we could decide that or not. Wow, so like, what is this? Yeah, okay. And then I think the Waterbury annulance, we were gonna just have that as an article, it was a whole thousand dollars. And then we were talking about the tanker truck. You know, that was, I'm putting my attitude in, just what we have written down. I guess I'm leaning towards an article like 475,000, 475,000, we're financing over 15 years, you know, to see if that would fly. So if you get that November 2nd, and then you need to wait, but you forgot, right? Well, I can have it set up so that their bids come in basically during their time, so it could be a decision made then before the numbers. So I walk in the numbers basically. 475,000, 475,000, 3,000, 32,000 a year. And up until last year, we were paying 15,000 a year for the last five years for our old bumper truck. So that's no one of our votes now, right? No, it came off this last, this year was the first year we didn't have to pay for that truck. So you're not at that truck, though? That's the one that we've been chasing, right? So you're not at it? I don't know. They couldn't have used any of the airport funds at all? Well, I think at 475, we're gonna have to use some of the airport funds. Yeah, unless we get it right at 466. I mean, if we get the airport funds, we can always pay this down, right? And it looks like there's, I mean, we can do a lesser number. Certainly, right now, we don't have... Well, I guess... Things for all the airport money. Right. And if you ask for a 475, it gives you the opportunity to spend that much, but we don't have to, rather than chase it the other way around, where you're trying to look if you've done a 450, and you say, well, I need to use the airport funds, but we could use the air, or use the terror. I just don't know, I mean... I mean, we're gonna be eventually asking for a following vote for the count of all, I guess, and it's gonna be the same deal. It's gonna be there even more. Well, except, yeah. France, and the library of France, and stuff, right? But, and you can still try for a grant for the tanker, too. I won't be able to. If you already have it in your town, that's one of the AFG things. If you're already asking for the money from your voters, you can't apply for it, which I didn't know was a thing until... Yeah, so it's too late to do that. I didn't try. I applied for it twice between applying for the SCBA PAC, and we were applying for an SC, but we applied for it twice prior to our community. If we have tried, but there's not as much money in there as there had been historically, and it's throughout the whole country, so it makes it very contentious to try to get that money. We've certainly tried to go that route, we've used it several times, and that's a huge process in itself, getting all of that stuff together and putting it in. I guess it does start changing more for those poor families. Yeah, I am. $100 a year for them, anyway. And I'm not, and that's another thing. I worked a little bit to try to figure out ways that the fire department could help, but I mean, we certainly can try to raise some money, but it'll be a drop in the bucket realistically on that large number, right? And times are hard, that's... Well, we need to make a decision here. I think we all need, we've talked about it several years since I've been on the board. So I think at this point, we take raise suggestion to ask for $475,000, you know? And we can spend less, we may use some powerful funds, but if we ask that, we'll be safe. And we can figure out financing, but really, the county will want to spend $475,000 on a new fire truck, basically. If they don't, I mean, if we're gonna have a fire department, maybe they have, they could know that we need to think about... How you're gonna do your fire? I think most people will be able to do it. But we need to ask the question of that, so... Is there some way we could have that more fast, some way of little things to educate people about everything? I mean, I think we can have a little something to help people with our, you know, with our fire department stuff and saying, you know, we're working towards getting a little fire truck, you know? Ask the firefighter why, or... Well, maybe... And I'd be more willing to interact with people during more of that. I think we could have a little hand up. You wanna bring me a little tanker there? Bring me a little tanker? Yeah. Yeah. Well, maybe we could help... We could find some little, could help us write a little hand up, you know, that we could hand out to people so that they can't read about this, because we're gonna ask people... Yeah, I think... I think I know somebody that's already working on that and graciously out of her own heart and exhaustion. She's been helping me kind of work up what pants that I'm gonna do with a little nail art just to kind of get people out of there. Oh, nail art. Yeah. But we're trying to, you know, working to try to get a new truck. It'll be expensive, but it's something that, it's not, it's not really the one word it, but not negotiable. It's something we've got to have, right? One of the things that Sasha mentioned to me, I thought it was a good idea. I hope you're doing it. Now, that was maybe asking some of the other towns, I know we're signing something with Duxbury tonight, just like other people have come in and asked us for ARPA funds. Maybe you could go to their house. I have worked with that, and I'm gonna be trying to get on their agenda to ask them about that very item. It's gotta be, there's a conflict of interest, so look, it has to be planned well, it turns out, because I don't mean to conflict your mother's on there, right? She's the chair, so. Right, so she's gotta, you know, staying, she would just because that's the way it is. And I am working on trying to talk to them and asking, you know, I'm gonna, I know they got substantially less ARPA funds than we did. And I'm, you know, thinking like $25,000. I don't know, they might say yes, the board might say, you know, screw them, I never see them up on Camel from, because that's where most of their, most of their infrastructure come up. Come up with a number and just have a reason how you keep up with that number. Just don't say, well, I don't know how we keep up with that. Well, I got 24,000 because that's the percentage that's where we got there. Right, exactly that type of thing. Yeah. So, and, you know, let people know that you're doing that as well. The more and more you get out there, it's easier to get those things pushed through. Absolutely. Any other discussion on this? So I'll make a motion that they put on the ballot to bring a first aid motion to purchase a pump or truck for ARPA, sorry. To have a loan of $475,000 for a 15 year period to use in the purchase of a pump or truck. You know, I don't know if I put the years there right? Just leave it open so that, you know, maybe 15, maybe 20, but it just. Okay. A loan. A loan. Okay, a loan. All right. Can you just amend that or do that? No, you can just ask her and amend that, but. Any other further discussion? Seeing none, all in favor of the motion for now. All right. All right. I have one other quick thing. You know, I've got an email today about the Capital Fire Mutual Aid. They're working on the infrastructure of the radios and they've asked before the 29th of August that I get a letter of support for Capital Fire Mutual Aid for communication system projects. It's to the town of Mortown. The town of Mortown currently utilizes the city of Montpelier and or very to provide emergency dispatch services. Whereas the town of Mortown is aware that a communication need assessment was performed with recommended enhancements to the dispatch capabilities and emergency radio system supporting the capital region. That's something that Cali and I went to last year to talk about, they realized there's a lot of dead spots especially in Mortown and this would help with that. And we recognize that the ability of the dispatch facilities in Montpelier and Barrie could provide better backup service and public safety, dispatch and communications. Therefore, the town of Mortown expresses their support for the application of the state of Vermont for dispatch and radio system enhancement funding. So basically, it's a letter of support that we support going after funding from the state of Vermont to pay for that. It's something we have to do to put in the application for bus. But I figured I would bring that to you guys in the way that the email I sent with the tenure plan and something else they require for you to have a plan to replace it next time. And they did it based on the call volume of the grant list. So that's why our number is not the worst on the list. Obviously not the best, but I think that that's a great new forward for us. All right, so I'd make a motion to support this letter of support for the capital region communications and projects. Second. Thank you, John. All the best. Bye. Bye. So that's done too. And I want to get a puppy. Don't want a donation for the fire department. Yeah. You're the dumb catcher, go find one. Yeah. Do you need this? Um, actually, Sasha, you'll need to get a copy of it. Yeah, I'll get a copy of it. Thank you, Stefan. Thank you. Thank you so much. You're welcome. True. Barkey. You can take top care. Sorry about the carnival issues. Clark live. Geez. Anyway, I apologize. Glad to see everybody else. Nice to see you, Park. As it was saying, but an hour ago. So the contact with the state, Tom Brown, has been on vacation, so he's due back anytime and Ray and I spoke about a week or so ago. Gave him some dates so that we sit down at the top with him probably next week. I did your back and brought up Clark about auto freak and we're gonna be 10 o'clock on Thursday via Teams. And I, can you make that? Right now, I can, Clark. You can. That's gonna be on either of you, right? Or it's actually gonna be right here. It'll be on, it'll be on, it'll be on line. Team, okay. 10 o'clock in the morning. So I think I can do it, you know, I get some tentative stuff, but. Okay, I'll send, I'll forward you then. Yeah, just send me the link, and yeah. I can get on it wherever I'm at, I guess. Okay, and I'll see if he can record it too, so that you can see where you're not able to make it. They've done this, this is not the first rating, rodeo, of course, so they've done a feasibility study. So I'd like him to just kind of give me a sense of timing, what it starts, what information they need for more time. And then Tom Brown, you know, I wanna find out from Robert, you know, how much work they're gonna be doing with the state in this process as well. And when, so after the meeting with Robert, with Art Creek and Tom with the state, you know, I can come back and give another update in terms of what's going on. You know, my, you know, I hope that we can get something, get some, the wheels turning at this point, so there's always something going on, so the feasibility study can be initiated as soon as possible. There's been one little turnover, not little, but there's been a turnover of staff in the, at the state level, so they have a new person that's gonna be working with us. When that comes up, what's gone is moved on to another responsibility, and so we have something else that they may be working with all the time. You know, this is, I think it's gonna take a while to really get a sense of how this is actually gonna start working out, because this is a new, new, new need, and, but both Art Creek and the folks from the state have worked on this issue with lots of towns and municipalities all the time, so I hope I can come back. I don't think it'll be, I don't know if I'll have anything concrete in a couple of weeks, but I think in a month, I think the second meeting in September, you know, I can come back and give people an update on what's going on. I think at that point, hopefully we'll have something really concrete to talk about. As an aside, I will mention that Step On, I forgot about this, but months ago, Step On and I have talked as well just to make sure that the Fire Department was aware of this possibility, and so I'll be checking with a few other landowners that I talk to in the meantime. Step On, do you remember that conversation? We had a conversation about the possibility of a village wastewater facility a few months ago, I think, and so anyway, the feasibility study is gonna happen, so just be aware that you might be contacted by some of the water-preventing engineering, our state-owned line, there's a lot of, as we all know, there's lots of funky kind of lines going back and forth within the village in terms of both water and wastewater, and so that's one of the things that they'll be investigating as this process goes forward. Here you all talk about ARPA funding, and I don't believe that there's any funding that is going to be necessary from the town initially in terms of any ARPA funding, so that's something that I don't think we'll be asking for. It's more similar to the last time we talked about it. And, relatedly, we are initiating some conversations, not related to this feasibility study, but with talking with business owners, and if you will, the Northwest corner of Moretown, I'm doing with 100, letting them know that the Waterbury has access capacity that they're interested in using, and they're trying to form people that are interested in talking with the village, with the Waterbury about this process. It's really, at this point, it really seems wise for Moretown to do this because Waterbury has access capacity, there's already people in Moretown that are using drinking water coming from Waterbury, so it just seems like if we can put together a group of people who are interested in talking with Waterbury and seeing how this process in another system might be put in place over there, it just seems like a prudent idea to do at this point. Like something from Gallagher, right? There's some theater out there. Well, theoretically, I don't think the water, I don't remember offhand if the water from Waterbury goes all the way over the Gallagher acres or not. Yeah, okay, yeah, I thought it did. So Gallagher's, I mean, we're not getting any wastewater, and it also goes up to Dexbury, it goes up to Proscibrook as well as, it serves the Dexbury Town Office as well, so it goes up that, I probably have to help. The other thing that I don't know, and Steffan, if you know this, how far down the wastewater, does it go, does it just serve out the Gallagher acres, does it go down with two of the ways as well? They talk about drinking water, drinking water? The last hydrant is just before Sherman Drive. So I'm guessing it ends probably at that hydrant? Okay, okay. But I'm not, I can't say that 100%. Okay, you know, one of the things that we speculate about is that it would also not only be a boom possibly for commercial development, but also for residential development as well, because there is increasing development that's happening along with the recorder, and possibility of extending the lines. No, it's certainly going to happen in the back of my hands because we're having a sidewalk study done. Right, right, right. So for the concrete floor. Yeah, I mean, I did know about that. You should keep that in mind. You know, put one in here, put something else in. But, you know, things are always getting sold out. I mean, that's just, I think it's worth it. I know, I'd obviously if you can keep it in mind. But the sidewalks, it lays off anyways. Well, with the planning commission working on, you know, the, the, the news learning regulations and such are being going to be put forward soon. There'll be public meetings and so this is as we kind of move through that process and onto the floor. Hopefully in the town reading day that we can begin to kind of focus our efforts on wastewater and that sort of thing too. There's an outside, a very outside possibility that wastewater and drinking water can go on at the same time. That hasn't been the focus at all of the discussion here in the village. But, you know, it makes a lot of sense. I would be for that. If you're giving me, you're giving me a hybrid system. I would, even if I got one high amount of tail, I'd be the happiest person you ever met. You said you didn't have to pay for that. I would find them, let me have my own pocket for the hybrid itself. All right, let's do that. That's it. Anyway, so that's on tape. I don't want to go down any further. Because, you know, at this point, I just want to make sure that you know that we're kind of, we're about to take some concrete steps with whatever you're able to say to the village. Good. And I hope that we'll have a display to have it more best as well. Very good. Anything else for five minutes? So were they thinking of having a treatment facility here or using the school? It all depends. It depends on what's discovered. Initially, one engineer makes it sort of off the cuff comment looking originally at the geology of this area that, oh, there's nothing that would work there. But then, you know, they didn't know about the system here. And from what I've been told, if you build a system like it's up on the hill here, you have to have a similar size replacement to incite nearby in case that one failed. And so that one couldn't have been built if there wasn't a replacement site. So there may be more capacity up here than we think or there may be more capacity available. And also there are, you know, there is a relatively large gravel deposit right up here at the top of Fort Town, not on the road before it branches off the two roads. It is privately owned, but it is a relatively good site that may directly work with the price of the system. Because without the right system and without paying the ship of bird treating, which is expensive. Yeah, I mean, there's different villages have used different system designs. Some are very passive and it's a pump system that basically goes to a really just a very large reach in other cases, there is some minor treatment that they go on and most of them all take some kind of maintenance. So you don't just, oh, there's a system and you walk away and as a homeowner you're paying your fees that a lot of people like Warren's system in a village has a, you know, they contract for maintenance on a regular basis and people pay fees and whatever they connect to it. And it's not just that, it's your on-call and it turns their risk from the people who have a problem that you paid for. Yeah, that's why a system, you know, connecting with Waterbury theoretically is an easier sell than the one here because it's just, you know, you add a lot of, you know, you join the bikes and there you go, you pay your fee and more and more. And you already have the system that can. You have the structures there. Yeah. Yeah. Well, good, Clark, can we appreciate the updates? Yes. And I'm glad I was this week. Not sure it's us, you or who, but that's all right. Thanks for paying attention to listening and so the second meeting in September would be on the 19th, correct? And, okay, we're in my gallery, but it would be useful for me that if I could come in like around seven, is that too late to come in? No, that's good. On the 19th? Okay, that's great, because I do, this other meeting I left today, I will have on the 19th as well, but I do want to keep you all hosted, so. Sounds great. That's great. And Ray, I'll send you the, yeah, because I said 10 o'clock on Thursday, right? Yeah, yeah. Okay. That is great. Thanks, Clark. Thank you, Mike. All right, so that goes ahead and put something, reports, communications, communications announcements. Ray, let's go ahead and start with you. You've got anything for us tonight? Nothing, no, I do have some stuff on your phone. Okay. Callie, any reports, communications? What can I say, communications, nothing. Don? I always get confused when they have to use this time or the other time, but a report or a communication would be that we're gonna have our first kickoff meeting with the, with the IA on this Thursday at nine o'clock. All right, we'll be town of all. All right, John. I attended the Ridge River meeting and also the meeting on climate change for the Ridge to River. We discussed getting the road roundtables back up and running and they felt that more town could host the first one. So more on that probably, not probably later in September or early October. Is that it? That was, yeah, I mean, I did have some discussion with Jared Cargill faced in a select board on the high just theater that he said it's wonderful. And if you take a look at their roads and how thick the grass is. Yeah. Yeah, it's really nice. They're not, I don't think they're as expensive as we think either. They're very expensive. Oh, they're not, they're on the 10,000, so. That's everything, I mean, again, our funds, I don't want to keep using those on everything. But yeah, I mean, that's something that would down the road. I just think I've seen those and they work very well. And that was between labor and what actually the product you get was probably worth it. When I see you have the. It's great to have safe grass, but at the same point, we have to have something that can mow that grass just throwing that little. That's true. That's true. Go back. Yeah, yeah. I'll roll away. Exactly. Roll away the dew. You know the grass, the better it holds the dirt. Yes. No, I'm sorry. So, The theaters are, they're really dirty in the bathroom. They just, they don't make sure you clean them out while you're done is there's a certain amount of ongoing maintenance when you use them, but they are made. We've used it faithfully and it worked really well for us. All right. Thank you, Stefan. John, thank you. So the only thing I have for communications, we just get a letter from it's the State of Vermont Agency of Administration opposite of the Secretary. And they were asking us if we wanted to be included in the new state initiative called Ideal Vermont. Ideal Vermont stands for something in service members. Ideal stands for inclusion, diversity, equality, education, action and leadership, pardon me. So I'm gonna have Sasha send you a little bit about this. They're looking for an answer from us by the 12th of September. So in our next meeting, we can discuss this but there's a brochure and a little bit about it. And Sasha, you can get that out to everyone so you can have ideal, ideal, I-D-E-A-L, advancing new equity at the local level. And the person, the executive director, Zuzana Davis, would be happy to discuss it with us. So if you want something to come in and hear a little bit about it, we can do that as well. So let's go ahead. I'm gonna do old business firsts. And let's start at the top. We have any other recovery act funds that we, I know we've talked a little bit about it tonight. Anything else new? No, we haven't had anything to do with that. Nothing on legal trails, condensation, we're all, still I know you, yes? Back to the trails. I know at some point we're thinking we're gonna have a meeting with the TRP or no, it was the planning. Both, yep. Well, I just wanted to draw out there that I thought to another, in that meeting, would that, those two committees and the select board is maybe some of the, having some input from the town road crew at that meeting as well. So they're in the audience and some of the stuff they're having to do on roads and requests and stuff like that. You know, one time kind of something to think of now. Yep. So with our August, we have August, September collaboration with the select board planning commission, DRB, include road crew as well? Yeah, I mean, I'm just throwing out there as an idea that I think there could be some valuable input there, you know, at least in the first session or something, you know, just to get out on the table. Sure. I think. The more people we have, the better. Legal trails, did you have anything in particular with that? No, no, no, no. I just made me think of the last four and the trails and the, you know, all of that. The condensation you've been. Yep, we're working on it. Yeah, now you don't have anything to report. It's in the, we're working on it. All right. So our next one, we have blinking lights, speed limit and then share department contract. So I wanted to discuss the share department contract. I am the spoke last time. I think Ray asked the question, which one is it? I don't know, you're here on the top. It's actually includes, it's a year contract that goes from July to through the next year. So through to June, right? And I think Ray had asked, I said, no, it's just this year. Oh yeah, right. It was going to be just this five. Right. So we're actually looking to commit next year as well. So, and we put an annual amount on the contract. So it's about six months. Pardon me, it is going to be a little less six months next year than, you know, five months or whatever. I think Sasha, we figured it out based on what they had. It would be around $8,500 for the total year at this point. We had put 20 in the original. So we're certainly going to be covered for this year and then budget season will need to figure out what we need to put in for next year as well. I just wanted to make sure it was still okay with that. So go ahead, sign the contract because it includes next year as well. So it will be the 85 and then we have 20 in there for a lot of people. So it's going to be around under 4,000 this year. Oh, right. So we've got quite a bit of money in that. That we've got 20,000. Oh yeah, yeah. So do the radar, mobile, things like that. Yeah, yeah. But it would affect us next year. I just wanted to make sure we were aware of that. So we'll go ahead and sign the Washington County Sheriff's Department Contract and get that out to him. Sasha will be that lead person. And so we have the quote. Sasha, will there be something else that we were getting on the quotes for the- I think just somebody felt his eyes to figure out which one was the one. All right, so our next meeting we'll have a recommendation as far as what speed check sign that we want to go ahead with. So stay tuned for that. But we do have a Sheriff's contract. All right, Stormwater Project, we've heard from Locke. Well, I'm in the blinking light realm. So moving the RSFS. Yep. OK. I met with the town where I grew up. And so we're looking into the bracket that we have to get and the concrete pedestal. It might be maybe for the concrete pedestal part. Maybe that's one. Maybe see someone like Joe also, who maybe have two. Just the concrete part and then we can move that thing. And then I hopefully can catch up with Sasha this week at some point because I've got the rough pencil draft of the permit that we send into the state. But I'll go over with Sasha and get it typed up and we email it to the guy. And then we should be good to go. I mean, then we go into the next stage. All right, so I mean, we'll get the permit approved and then we maybe range or form it together or form the thing, all concrete guys like us. Don't form it, just pay on it. Sort it through by the way. Exactly, that's all you need to hold for. Well, we need the bracket, but that's not a good deal. Well, you do it again before it's no problem. Oh yeah, no, no, no, no, no, right. So hopefully like September or something, right? So that's the story of it. Thank you, God. We've heard from the stormwater project from Clarky tonight. We heard town hall management plan. Now, we had our presentation last week. We heard Sherylen's concern of having someone from the library run that project or manage that. Look at your stuff. We'll come back and we'll discuss that and we'll make some decisions on that next time and all. Yeah, I don't know. We'll figure that out now. We will at some point, hopefully it's in September, we'll probably run it to October as far as our collaboration meeting with the select board and the plan application to DRP. Gravel pit, I don't think it's really done. We've got nothing on the gravel pit, right? Well, actually when we were talking at the rural group, we pulled out the rough draft of the drawing about a year ago. We started to talk about some of the stuff that could go on and maybe some signage for where people are parking and access to the fire truck to the pump-out spot and stuff like that. So it's a little rain of sand rolling along. Like all this stuff is, it really is. Yeah, you just try to keep it rolling to the next week. Dashgams for the kind of equipment? Yeah, I haven't heard anything. Nothing like that. We just, I think the river road, pushing that pavement until next spring is probably a good idea. Just be clear, we have their bid here. What I'll do is I'll call the number out and maybe have them revise it just to make sure that it's clear that we do the work next year. They'll be at the same price other than the actual asphalt price adjustment. Make change, which was prior to this contract in Houston. Okay, so I'll talk with them and then if there's an issue with that, I'll let you know. If we need to get it signed, I'll let you know, okay? I'm sure that they'll accept it very well. And anything, I know you and Martin read the Mets on the road adoption of Gallagher Acres. Yeah, okay, so I got a really good email from Michelle and I was the district six parking manager and that forwarded all of me today. They have a new book out, this orange book. It's really a handbook for local officials but it just came out in March. And some very good reading in it. And anyway, she pointed out to me that new highways, I just copy the page, new highways and property arrangements on existing highways should have a complete and precise survey with permanent monuments and description of permanent clouded in the municipal record. So that immediately tells me that for this to happen, they have to do a survey and get it marked out from right away through their development. And that itself might be very principle then to do. So I don't know, at this point, what you want to do, should we write a letter saying that, I don't know what the subject would exception be. So we have, I guess, between that and other requirements of them to bring it up to this code. Correct. And if we know what those are, we should maybe invite them back or I'll say, I guess we should discuss them at first but if they want to bring it up to code, I would be fine to take the road over. It's a small, short road over there in the development and we could probably, for frankly, raise your taxes a little bit to pay for whatever quality you would do over there. Right, it's pretty men who are allowing there just the road. Yeah, we're doing two roads a level and it's brought a lot of money into town. So I'd like to do that for them but they just need to meet the requirements. They have to have a survey which is gonna be the major expense for them. So Sasha, why don't, I mean, what does everyone else think? I mean, so if we invite, I can't remember why I'm saying either put, invite her back and say, all right, this is the research that we've done. We need to do this, this and this and once that's done, we would adopt the road. Is it a new survey or did they have to have, like they've looked at the new survey on the aisle? I believe it'd be a new survey because it would have, I haven't seen their actual development plans but the new survey would have to have, you weren't going to mark out completely. And one of the things I know request from the garage was placing on the mailboxes in one area. So that would be one of the, as a town requirement would be. As a state, you need to bring the road up to this, but as a town, you'd like to see the mailboxes in one central location because the drivers that's probably the biggest pain right there is doing that. So probably we should put like a step by step for them to take a look at. Exactly, here's what it's going to have to do. So Sasha, if you don't mind working with Ray on that and then within the next, probably not the next meeting because it would be a little bit of time to pass this stuff back and forth. We're just getting it clear under standing on what that is and then we can have them back or back and then present it to her. But that's all right. That worked for everyone. All right, how about any other new business or any new business at all? Actually for old business, the new crosswalk that Tom and I have been talking about, Ray, did you have a chance to take a look? Who do you sit next to on the challenge? Go ahead. Okay. I can't do that. I'm sorry. Okay. But I'm sure, you know, a few guys have looked at it. Have you looked at it? Well, I guess we just kind of wanted to, after what I did, what it would cost. Oh, okay. So, yeah, because as far as I can see is we can do it. But it would just... From my meeting with the state, but I can send you this. Just send me that and I will take a look at that. Sorry about that. No worries. And then also I did forget to mention that the Forest Management Committee meeting, the next one will be on August 24th. That's the, I'm sure of that. So you could post that. Yeah, we've got a lot of changes. Just another quick old meeting. Sure. Sorry. I don't spin. I brought up that last meeting, the town hall could really use some new floor mats, entrance mats. Well, okay. Anyways, you know what needs is a mat inside the door that's probably four by six. That's all worn and torn, you know? And the mat that's on the porch is pretty played out as well. So I got an email yesterday for the other day, you know, one of the people on the committee researched a possible mat. So I don't know, should I send that to all of you to look at or something or, you know, I mean, one mat's a hundred and something dollars and the other's 50 dollars. I think I have to go back to my email, but I don't know. Steph, I want to share. So we use fully service for uniforms with a shelf. I know that they do offer a carpet and you could do like a once a month, they come in and switch it out with a carpet. I don't know what the price of that would be but it might make sense because then it's always gonna be a clean carpet. Is that the same thing? No, we did that actually with the, I can't mean. I know the service you're talking about. I was thinking that I'm looking at these. Do we do that with these two, Sasha? Oh, it's a company that comes in and changes them. Yeah, well. So can we get a four of what would be for down, that might be perfect. Let's check that out. Yeah, great. And find out the sizes that we have with this interior and exterior. Or maybe if it's being changed like that, it could just be your interior or something, I don't know. Yeah, what are you guys talking about? I don't know. Yeah. And that's nice if it's changed out so then, you know, just keep it clean. That's pretty, yeah, it keeps it cleaner. Yeah. All right, so is there any other new or old business? Well, I'm just wondering if anything's happened with that McGibbon's road. We got the correspondence on that from Matt Candle. That's the email from Martin a couple of weeks ago, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's on the far side of the note. Yeah, you know what it is. What were we gonna do there? Was it the Salahki? Was it the Salahki that McGibbon's that we're gonna call her on? Yeah. Yeah, you want to call her ex-family and they want us to do it. Right, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so it is the Salahki. Okay. So I don't know if Martin was waiting to hear from us. What? What? See if my Martin was waiting to hear back from us on that. Yes, that was my understanding of what he was waiting to hear from you guys. We got the email and we just went to the meeting once and we got to it. I remember seeing the email. Yeah, I mean, he wanted to know if. It's on a Class 4B, bro. Yeah, it was Class 4B. If, you know, we would do any work or if, you know, he could do work or whatever. He just wanted some direction. Was it McGibbon or was it a show later? Yeah. Let's, I'm just, Oh, it said McGibbon, it said McGibbon. Oh, okay. Yeah, it was, you might say that already. Yeah, well, we don't know. Oh, it is. So there's several culverts on these class, Class 4A's and B's. So, Lappie's a 4A. So there's a culvert out there that needs work. And then McGibbon's, beer's off to the left. And that was a gentleman who wanted us to come out. All right, let's get Martin. We need to speak to him about it so that we can clear. So we can't get her plunge to the floor. No, it's right, right. Yeah. But thank you, John, for bringing this up. Okay. So let Martin know that we talked about that we need to have our members refresh so that we can have them sleep with me around. There was also, I had errors in emissions, but Sheryl and one of those two addressed. And so we have, first one is David Jankerson. And what he's doing, he's combining. Must be he bought another piece, vinyl, which we often do, or that's what they do here in Zell. So it's a change from 500 to 4,000 on lot 5B, 0.010, 0,000. And it's being combined with 5B, 0.021, 0,000. And that changes from 268,400 to 740,400. The other one is like Brown, combining two lots, 5B, 021, 0,01, it's changing from 100 to 22,100 to 0 on that particular lot. The other lot that's being combined with, it's changing from 650,300 to 659,400 difference of $9,100. Is there a motion to approve these changes? I just wondered, how do the price is, who determines the price of direction? Is that the Lister or the Lister? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Price of direction, is that the Lister? We don't have Lister. No, we're okay. Never said that? Okay. I don't know the actual. Okay. I'll make a motion to approve those changes. Second. I'll approve it. All right. All right. Okay. Thank you. We'll sum up on that. So again, we have the Morch pound agreement with the dex report, the dex report, $7,000 for the period, July 1st, 2022 through July 15th, I mean, prior to June 30th, 2023, the one year, and that's 7,000, pretty good. So we'll sign up on that. What's this with the CD fiber? That's the MOU that they wanted to count to. And this is where we meet. I haven't had a chance to look at this, so I want to make sure we sign up on that. I want to take some time just for you to make sure it's what we originally agreed upon, which I'm sure it is, but, and then we have a fleet permit for RGP, and then just minutes, I'll make a motion. All right. I'll approve the minutes of eight, one. Second. Any further discussion? All in favor, vote aye. All right. So we'll just sign off on these few things and then we can get out of here. RGP, they've been up and down with all their big trucks. She thought it was the middle sex. She was coming back and checked the data that they were there, so she... Oh, okay, okay, okay. I was gonna say they've come and gone, but. Well, at least they... At least they were trying. That makes sense. Trying to further get caught, right? This contract with Dutch, there's two places this time. Have a good night. Thanks, everybody. Yeah, so. I think that's everything, right? All right, so I move to the vacay. Vote is down. Second. All in favor, vote aye. All right. All right, thank you, everyone.