 All right, see me. Let me look for you see me. What's your name in the What's your name in the participants buddy? Is it sign is Simone? I don't see just a regular see me. Yep. Okay, cool Just clarifying Clarification see me you should be good to go you here buddy. Hello. Hey, what's up, man? Hey, man, Tasha, right? Dude, dude, I'm good. How are you? I don't want you? I know you're asking to come on man and talk about your journey Dude, I want to come on just to say to the new people. I want to thank M. I see because you guys are the real shit Like I've been through no, no, no, no people don't understand. There's so many scams out there like I've I've been trading for six years now. I mean trading investing and Man the blown up accounts the furus the furus. It's it's it's insane, man it's ridiculous and I I'm just thankful for you guys for for for utosh and bow and alex and all the mods but like For someone to actually make a Business a community this good on trading where 99% of people are scammers It's it's it really. I mean, I was about to give up man. I'm like listen. I've lost like $10,000 in six years, you know, I've blown up like five accounts I'm done. You know, you know, this is not for me. And then Um, I I came here into m. I see and I'm like, hold on a second. This is actually different. It's actually real It's actually people respond to my dm. So That it literally everything you just said man Zach reason why we created this community, bro is I cannot tell you Simone in the first couple years, bro Let me fucking tell you man. I was a normal trader like you bro I I wasn't friends with bound alex yet. I was two years into my journey I'm going on eight years to actually point eight and a half by now But during the first two years, man, I was just not getting it right and I do I studied it Like and and obviously there were no communities like m. I see back then Yeah, it was trial and error and and like I bloke one account But I was really conservative in the beginning and I was I was just terrified, bro Because I'd make $2,000 In like a week and give it right back and make four grand and give it right back And dude, I didn't know why and like the only thing that kept me going was because Eventually while I always kind of figured it out by myself a little bit Dude, I found bound alex they took me in and they were like, okay, motherfucker This is how you trade and then fast forward and I realized what they had in in their Minds and I said if you can teach me guys, you can teach a thousand people man You can change lives and this is what we did man. So yeah, I love you for saying that The thing is like people don't understand how lucky we are to have bow you and tosh You and alex millionaire traders people that don't need to do this like people don't have to Answer my dm on why is this why is that? And a second point that I want to say is The new guys, please please don't write like stuff like oh what hdmi cable to bow and alex come on This is no, no, no, no. I this you don't understand how lucky you are to have these people I wrote a question to alex. It took me four fucking days to formulate it because I wasn't sure Because I was like man, I'm I want to I'm wasting his time or something You know this guy has you know a full schedule plus he's Trading and commenting on on the trades for us. I mean leave them alone unless it's properly important Well, you know what it is man And I really appreciate you for to bring that up, bro It's because people don't realize that that yes while I would more so group bow and alex because they're more well, especially just bow because he's the legend 20 years right that taught alex, you know alex indirectly taught me and now I help you got like It's just such a cascading waterfall of knowledge But it did originate with bow and people really don't know how lucky they are to have moderates bow and the thing is man, it's like This would have never worked with people who aren't passionate about this game Do we eat sleep and breathe this shit? Right? Like that's the only reason why it works man is because yeah, I like dude It's it's actually one of the main reasons why I do I don't even participate in main chat in the morning Because I'm doing business shit while I'm training the background like dude We're trying to make this so unbelievably better for you bigger and there's you know when you have the passion That's one, but man sometimes there's just so many hours in there energy It's like you said, you know when you're helming questions like what hdmi But yes, yeah, so the point is man. Yeah, thank you The crazy part is that bow like what blows my mind is he comes on these new Member webinars when he's the founder alongside you and alex. I mean 20 years like a legendary creator, right? Yeah, like what is he doing here? Like, you know, it's crazy. That's so good that he's on he's active like, you know The it's crazy. I mean honestly, like I just want everyone to know that Do you know do not take this for granted because I I don't know of any place like this online or any others like scams everywhere anyways, but Of a community this good and with access to Millionaire traders on a daily basis That's unheard of Well, simon, you know, the sad part is man as we live in a world where bro You you you can go to any website and there's a scam right not just the training industry for god's sake and and just a general rule of thumb is 90 of people in finance Even on wall street are scammers right because money attracts Greasy salesman like greasy fuckers you like use car salesman It's like dude. Did you hear the story? I said like last week is like someone to hijack my netflix And scammed me out of my own account. It was like somebody right from india I saw the location his name was like put him on java and i'm like, dude You can't open your phone these days The day that at the m i c instagram account was shot like that was insane like they shot the Yeah, that's crazy. Let me let me tell you something man every single day Um, whether they're competitors or just scam artists in general are trying to shut us down in somewhere or another because we're making a difference because people are Liking the community and the content they have for four years and and you know, we have such big plans for the future man and And it it truly is people like you man that come on and say these things that make us want to continue bigger and better And I mean dude, I mean you've seen my instagram, right? Like I had for the first time ever in Would have probably 10 years of my personal instagram t bradley 90 underscore one underscore trader Dude, I have so many scammers. I had to make it private Like I don't want people scamming other people like dm mccrypto and i'll give you dogecoin and you know And then they send people money. I'm like dude, that's my face I don't want I don't want somebody to get scammed because someone impersonated me like what the fuck And you know what's crazy about me like i'm still paper trading right now and like Trying to see what to do with you know, we're long or short But I know I'm in the right place and I'm already psyched that I'm gonna make cash Even though I didn't make any yet You know, you know why you know why you are simon is because like you said man You are doing what every trader no matter how long they've been trading whether it's six years or six months bro It doesn't matter. You are sucking up your ego and saying i'm eventually gonna get it But I need to learn the right. Yes now. I need to learn the process. I need to learn the process Yeah, that's exactly it. Yeah Thank you tosh bro and hopefully I'm the uk now but hopefully you know for this covet we can do a proper Meetup with everyone that would be great bro. Let me tell you something man I I know you're probably not gonna make it out to la dude, but I've never been in the uk bro And I've got oh you have to come I've got this longing desire of mine to for the last 31 years to go there. I promise you one day We will man because I because I can't wait dude I can't I'll take you to 14 crumpets at the doorchester mate. No problem. I'm gluten free and dairy free, but we'll figure something out Okay, all right mate. It's good to speak to you see me. You're a legend. Thank you so much Me the fuck up dude. Thank you for coming on man. You're welcome and cheers. Bye. Bye. See you buddy. You're better Guys that's I had no idea who see me was personally outside of a couple dms I'm just how to help stuff and like that is so cool to hear man because That's the power of the community man And it's people helping people and it's people liking what they're a part of and like just like any clothing brand Just like people like gary v when you like someone's content you rock with them And you want to get to know them better and you want to associate with your community And that's the thing that I love man. So dude, that's awesome and if you ever come out to arizona, man I'll take you golfing or something so So Dude gotta extend to extend a warm handshake to see me man. Thanks for thanks for coming on man Joe, we're such a retirement community statement Shut up You ever come out to phoenix, dude, you know, I'm like 147 but all I do is wing trade stocks these days and golf I'm 120 inch about the length of a crosswalk time. You're like here I hear all I do is Golfing bitch about liberals and young millennials wanting to flip anything Oh man, I really am dude. I really feel like I'm like nine years old in my mind man these days I can't keep man the more The more and more I'm like Just The older I get the more I I realize how how alike I am with like Dwight on the office Dwight from For those who don't know You remember when he when he's like He's walking in I forget where they were walking into but there were like so many people and he was like man We need a new plague. Why are there so many people? We need a new plague This is Joe Kelly. I was like, oh my god Like I think this I literally think this all of the time when I walk into cosco and there's like just Layers of people everywhere. I'm just like we need a new plague Oh, he's kind of thought I was his Dude Yeah, this is me man. I'm telling a 31 year old body, dude every dude. It's funny because Joe might like I said, dude, my dad still isn't tally, but he's his republican Dude, he's more republican than trump and he is he is as far red as you can go right and bro Every time I get him on the phone. He's all the doom and gloom and conspiracy there. Oh, yeah I'm like, I'm like, bro. I literally have to answer my dad's like my best friend Dude, he trades and he dude. He was a trader 20 years ago way before me and he kind of introduced me to the markets A little bit outside of like um shout out Tim Sykes a million years ago, right and Dude, my dad like every time I answer the phone. I'm like dad. First of all, I'm in a good headspace Don't fuck with my vibration, right? Yeah. What are you doing? I don't need to know how The the big reset is right around the corner. I don't need to know how there's nanites in this covid vaccine I don't need to know how Oh my god, I answer the phone every time like hey dad. Did you see bbxb def? Yes. I know jenny young Yes, dad. I know it was the warrant. I know Like I don't need to yes. I know that's funny. Yes dad the vaccine. I know Mm-hmm Trying to kill your son That's how they're gonna do it and you know what man, who knows? Maybe half the world is crazy and they are looking for totalitarian reset But you know what at the end of the day, man Trade line the line focus on the positives of life and you're gonna have a much better daily I don't know man. I I've been thinking for a long time that you know, I might just be better off in heaven So if that's how I die, that's how I die. You know what man? I know you'll cause quite a ruckus right down in hell I'm just saying, you know, it's like All right, whatever We'll leave it be This is derrickle joe. I actually have a question for you on youtube. Um, mr. Infamous Did you remove the to s script for gappers on youtube? I can't find it Uh, I don't know I didn't personally. No, I didn't I we don't we don't take down content. So I wouldn't yeah I know I and my thinkorswim is the same thinkorswim and I've man. I've got think scripts out there Probably the last seven years with you know, the people have downloaded or are still accessing so Yeah, definitely. Yeah, it's there Is it the pre-market gappers one? I don't know which one they're talking about but Yeah, if you guys, um, it might be it. I don't know If any of you guys have it y'all can post it in here or post it in the comments on youtube Yeah, for sure, man And if you guys have any questions man, definitely definitely reach out right now, you know, whether you're a member in chat Um, or whether you're on youtube man guys reach reach out with your questions right now and we'll answer them man Definitely here you go. Here's one in zoom tosh and just kind of podcast style shoot the shit What would you say joe? Here's a question on the zoom What advice do you give to traders or thinking about quitting their job and trading full-time? Oh, do not do that. Do not do not do not do not stop sign red flag red light. Stop your car. Do not drive Do not quit your job until One you get some real consistency and can pay your bills and trading or at least supplement and number two Know that you want to do this for the long haul Many people get a little too excited and before they can crawl they try to fly before they can walk They try to drive a car guys you will get there I promise you if you learn the right material and the resource but but the timeline Is very tricky for some because and i'll give you an example There are some people like me who eight years ago took $35,000 out on a credit card And then quit my job to learn trading and it took longer than I thought because once I quit um, the job the couple of freelance jobs that I was doing in la is like a 22 year old background work in the film industry, which is dog shit fucking work and construction And then literally just studied I didn't realize it would take much longer even with a resource like m ic guys You do not want to quit your job because what that's going to do Is you're going to put so much stress on yourself to now pay you're not going to trade the same as if Oh, I've got a salary coming in or I've got money coming in or whatever Maybe you just do part-time work, but you got money that you can count on coming in You're going to have a different mindset in trading. So until you are a badass Even then maybe don't quit because when you learn the process it's one to two hours a day Shit dude vik vik is our steve vickers on youtube right now guys if you're paying attention He's one of our mods um steve is a cop and he's a damn fucking good trader man And steve is not quitting his job He's got a dual source of income now because he's good at trading and Actually joe dude. Oh my god. You're the guy to talk about this bro. You had a total salary What was it for or something like that? Joe talk talk about your journey on that so I for Five years I worked full-time job where I worked you know 12 14 hour days. Yeah, and I For the longest time just that's all I dreamed about doing was quitting that I I I think we all Dream about quitting because you know everybody has We all love a good quitting story, right? Kind of gives us all hope that maybe that can be us one day. You know what I mean? Yeah, because we all like on instagram say I just quit my job and I turn my business into four million dollars a year Yeah, I mean it can turn into something pretty nice Well for some people don't right. Yeah pulled by the influencers out there That's what I'm saying like don't get fooled by the one guy out of 10 million that quit his job You know what I mean? He right. Yeah killed it overnight. Yeah, so for for seven years I was in that business and for the last five years I um I was learning how to trade I was and I I was learning all the wrong processes and everything like that Give me two seconds here. Hang on. Yeah, bud Yeah, man See how this is just bleeding guys bvx for you just people losing faith now again It's too late in the day to want to short right here and specifically if you did sure I hear you're a chasing bastard But um, this is just not something to get excited about right the meat of the move is kind of gone The tank already happened and it really didn't bounce and this happens every now and then you don't get the There's probably a lot of people who missed this That we're waiting for a bounce because usually you want to bounce up to a 30 40 maybe even 50 percent Of the death candle or tank candle, but it didn't even come so don't beat your own ass if you miss this trade That's what I wanted to bring that up for if you miss this you're like i'm such a loser I missed an easy setup guys wait for the bounce if you don't get the bounce you're on in the next one Trading is a bus stop and there's always another bus coming if you miss a trade There's one tomorrow if you miss the one tomorrow There's one next week if you want like guys if you want to do trading And like this is still kind of advice for the guy that maybe wants to quit their job Is why rush to quit your job when the market's going to be here for the next 100 years I can put my life on the fact that the market will be here longer than you will be Think about that for one second. I gotta rush. I gotta rush in the market I gotta rush to quit my job I gotta rush to get in because this is the way to make money brother The market is going to be here longer than you are on the planet earth unless the earth explodes from Solar flares or climate change or something man and takes the market with it because the world's gone Or an big old asteroid just gives us the middle finger and goes right through us Market's going to be here man The market's going to be here and for any major investor. This is just a piece of advice QQQ and the spy are about the safest thing you could put your money in in my opinion In the world is not recommended. This is not actually financial advice directly But any money that I make that does not go into some form of an asset whether it be crypto real estate or whatever It goes into spy man This I want to own as many shares to this as humanly possible because it doesn't matter If you buy this year next year five years from now The spy goes up. It always has the last hundred freaking years And it's always produced at least like a six to ten percent return And it will in the future because this is the american economy and anybody that bets against the american economy on the long haul Is an idiot and they've always been proven wrong So communists Communists and socialists man. That's all My god But yeah, all right, so let me finish the quitten thing. All right, so Of the last five years that I was working for ford I spent that time basically learning how to trade and losing money During those first few years And it wasn't for the last it wasn't until the last kind of two years of my journey that I started actually finding consistency and um The consistency honestly was not Largely attributed to day trading I think a lot of people that want to quit their day jobs Choose the wrong style of trading But the beauty about m i c is the process is taught here. Don't just apply to um Just day trading they apply to swing trading. They played a long term holds All kinds of different stuff. It applies to every form of trading, but If you work a full-time job and you work tough hours You are going to set yourself up for failure if you're planning to day trade If you don't have the ability to trade from, you know, 9 30 in the morning Eastern time to 10 30 in the morning eastern time You're setting yourself up for a very very difficult journey Yeah, you need to pick you need to pick a style like swing trading or long-term investing to grow that money over time And then what you need to do is you need to diversify your funds Get passive income Coming in through, you know, it could be Side jobs it could be projects. It could be rental properties. It could be anything monetize a hobby All kinds of different stuff, right? You need to find a way to get that mailbox money Once you have that Then you can kind of make a shift out of your current career, right? You don't cut Ties off with your consistent income, right? You don't completely cut ties But what you do is you free up time To allow yourself to trade And create different opportunities for yourself You don't just up and quit to No, it's almost three years Wouldn't you say that like hey, I really want to quit my job is coming from a perspective of And i'm not singling you out man, whoever this is. I'm just saying for anybody It's it's kind of like the perspective of desperation. Oh, yeah, you're unhappy with where you are You're coming to trading because you want to change your your way of life. You want to change my life I hate my job. I need a change. No, you should go at it And it's only going to make your trading easier when you come at it with like an abundant kind of approach of like Dude, I just i'm good. Like like I don't I don't need this money. I don't really want this I don't like this job but coming from his point of desperation It's just going to evolve in your trading and now you're going to trade desperate And you're not and that's never good because you're a revenge trade You're going to chase, you know that that's very dangerous shit Yeah, and I wouldn't even quit one, you know, bowels recipe is quit your job after you have two years of savings Right of your total net But truly, I mean and bowels said this many times. He's like honestly never quit. You don't need to quit You know, but if you want to quit That's what I would tell you to have so um I mean That that that's what I tell everybody is don't don't quit but You know, you're gonna have to work your ass off. You're gonna work you're gonna work 10 15 20 40 a thousand times harder than the other guy Because you already have a career. You've already kind of chosen a path and now you're trying to go against the current Stop flowing down river and trying to start swimming upstream like a salmon in you know Mating season and all the bears are standing there on the side of the bank just ready to bite your head off And then horny bastard swim fast man. Absolutely And you know, everybody is a salmon swimming upstream in the market We all are but you know, there's smarter salmon and there's dumber salmon and you know, there's there's the There's the hard work in sons of bitches that are real stupid and then there's a hard work in people that are real smart and You just need to one Want it bad enough. You need to want this We'll say like you don't want this. You ain't gonna have it. We'll say like this, Joe There's buyers it on paypal at 310 or 191 exactly Exactly. Yeah, there's buyers at 310 and there's buyers at 190 Joe my average on paypal You're gonna die dude. Hold on. Let me look this up Is gonna be like what 308? I'm just 192 46 nice My average is sitting right around 195 and I've just kind of been chilling on it I haven't really added to the position because I've kind of already got my size. So I'm just kind of letting him be Oh, I don't have I don't have my size yet. I I spread myself out on many tickers on dips But but that's the point guys is like are you a horny seabass? Or are you a patient dude because yeah, you know just guys just like Warren Buffett said man And this applies to basically anything is you know, if you can't control your emotions How the hell are you gonna control money or trading? You have to dude the market gives people You know Money flows from the inpatient to the patient and not even meaning like oh I'm gonna wait for a drastic dip on a good company Even hey, I'm gonna wait for my pop on that death candle or I'm gonna wait to quit my job when I have a lot of money saved up and then I can float for fucking three years and even start my own business and Do something I love and and let me tell you another thing Is we're in a day and age where there's so much Accessibility online to create any business of any form that you want whether it's cooking fitness anything creating a personal brand That if you did quit your job tomorrow that you absolutely hated going to but you have total autonomy over your life now You have money you you're really good economically, you know Financially you're set and you can coast for two years while you're learning trading Maybe throw on weekends to learn and building a personal brand also and sell a digital product Like dude if you if you're a fitness junkie like fucking davron one of our members And he wants to be in the gym three hours of the day Teach fitness classes while you learn trading because you have a backup That's when you can quit your job that you fucking despise. You know what I mean? Yeah, you gotta have you gotta have sufficient passive income Yeah, man for me For me, I had enough savings to Like I had my account that netted me income And I eventually was able to lower my outgoing to a point where I could quit my job. I was making enough from my accounts To cover my monthly goals And then I had savings off to the side as well now if I started losing money, right when you go through drawdown periods That's when you start hitting on the savings But basically what I had was I had the The capital available to change my career, okay I don't consider myself. I don't consider my sole career as a stock trader I don't when people ask me, you know, what do you do for a living? I don't tell my trade stocks Dude, I never do you know, I don't say I'm an investor of any form Any form if I can flip a dollar in any genre. I will dude I flipped pokemon cards last month and made a decent profit like I will I'm an investor at heart. Yep And What that so people that are like I freaking hate where I'm at. I hate what I'm doing. Okay Take your savings and use that to monetize something else And like for me, I went and got a real estate license and I started building a real estate business And as I started building that business, I started meeting people and now Now I've invested in two different two different businesses That are going to net me income down the road And then I have real estate and then we have rental properties We have my wife has a job still which has the benefits and everything that covers that stuff And you know, it's a team effort here. I if I didn't have my wife, you know, I'd probably be a lot richer But probably What do you mean probably Yeah, sure. Yeah, um, but um It You know, it's a team journey So you can't you can't just crap out on one or the other and and you can't let one person carry the weight And don't be afraid to ask for help you know, like that that is the Worst thing you can do is is never admit that you're wrong or anything like that. So another question is I'm an out of work veteran Well, that's a bummer, but thank you for your service I don't have a lot of risk, but I do have some money to play with just don't want to risk at all How much do I need to get started? I would say you need I mean, you're you're it You're commenting on the zoom. So you you're in here from somewhere But if you are a member of m. I see all you need is enough for The annual membership That's it. You don't need to open an account right now You just need enough for the annual membership and start learning using a paper account. Yeah, that's it You don't need a you don't need a broker account. You don't need any of that You don't need to start placing trades. You don't need to be involved in the market You don't need any of that. You don't need no skin in the game Get in for the education learn And that's it. Well, and joe, let me let me add to that because I love what you just said there and like guys like the number one thing At m. I see that we try to do as best we can literally is Put on an ethical sense a transparent sense and like we're not here to Do a lot of marketing than a bunch of furus doing luring people who don't want to trade guys This is not the easiest career in the world. It's not easy. You risk money for living. There's a lot to learn There's a lot of information that we make very simple to learn and simple to understand But this is not just a hobby where you pick up and you go, oh, okay I'm gonna day trade on you know a couple days. This is a language So if you really want to learn it just know that you're not entering into something where idiots make money Or well unless they're super lucky, but that never happened It's some zero game for idiots in the long run that never want to learn right because they win They give it back but this is a language you're learning like you don't go into real estate and just flip a house Just because you want to flip a house you learn from someone like joe who's like been doing this or understands Then you go bro like what am I looking for in the real estate game that it will allow me to profit from flipping a house Not some random guy that goes man. I'm gonna flip a house. I'll flip the first one. I see you you may lose your ass So you this is an industry where you've got to actually have a work ethic and discipline But yeah, the rewards are astronomical if you do it correctly But we're not here to sugarcoat and say any way that jones tomorrow is going to be a millionaire the next day We don't do that type of bullshit marketing. That's a lie That's a lie You know So I agree fully we try we try to give you the straight dope man. Don't quit your job This takes time to learn and then if you get to a point where in one You actually get really good at trading which if you're a part of m. I see you have a very good chance Number two, you realize trading's actually for you because there's a lot of adrenaline that comes with this game there's a lot of um Sometimes stress, you know when especially when you're learning or you're or you broke your process one day Which sometimes I mean bow's been trading for 20 years and has a stressful day like it like it happens but I totally have a stressful day or a stressful position or Whatever it is. Um, this is not for the faint of heart, you know Like it spits faint of heart people out every day So I want you guys to come in with realistic expectations. There's nobody in my opinion Or no community rather That is going to teach you better about day trading or investing than m. I see and I and I put my life on that We in my eyes are the best community out there. Thank you. Jay trades to teach you guys how to trade and in a You know an atmosphere that's gonna that's very much going to positively impact your trading career But that doesn't that still doesn't mean the trading's for every single soul out there And and I think we do it the best So, you know, that's about as transparent as I can be in that man, but um, you know, it's like it's like Like I always say, you know, I was talking about for the last two weeks Dan Bilzerian's book He's like eventually He actually wanted to get out of poker because it was so fucking stressful and he made 100 million through poker plus maybe 200 But the point is it's like Eventually maybe something you grow out of or something's just never for you, right? Like it's rare It's very rare But with so many members that join obviously you get one person that it's like, oh, tosh, you know what? I I please like I got to cancel is for the next month Please don't auto renew me because I just realized like trading's not for me Like I'm shaking having five dollars on the line and I'm like, you know what brother? I totally understand trading and risking money is literally not for every single person out there, man. It's just it's not But for the people that are hungry That know, you know, what trading entails and know what the stock market is for every dollar loss is dollar gain and vice versa for those people who are so hungry to learn this style of Professional gambling I'd say where you really can become the house, but it still is a form of gambling They run with it man And I see a bunch of familiar face as born travers angel You know that have been doing it for a year plus or two years or three years and see me six years But new to m. I see or um, whoever it is man You know But you got to risk it for the brisket. I like that That'll catch Joe's attention right there You had me a brisket. I knew it. I knew it. I knew it to break down just Remember as break down the pros and cons of day trading versus swing trading All the pros and cons. All right, Joe, let me start because because I know we both do this but but the number one thing that is the pro in my opinion is swing trading and I'll I'll actually kind of More say long-term investing is the most stress-free way of making money. I've ever done in my life Buying a sauna on a dip buying PayPal on a dip and looking in a few months There at least for my comfort zone and especially on a position like the spy where you can throw the house and pretty much be secure Because in the future it's almost guaranteed returns It's it's really stress-free, but it's slower a lot of the time So while you can do any job in the world have any amount of kids have any amount of wives some of you Mormons out there or Or people that you know Amish whatever But you you can be away from screens all day and still have a career in the markets That's the benefit of swing trading. I can be completely hands-off and still print money if you know what you're doing But it's slower and it's more on a long-term trajectory in my opinion the guys that race in and throw full-size at the PayPal It on you know this dip just because it's on a dip, but their full-size leverage that house Doesn't mean that it doesn't go from 190 to 130 But if you're going in slow on every major dip on really good companies knowing that it'll probably Maybe at lowest go to 130 and then back in 10 years probably back to 300 That that's a different way to play so like you still got to know how to swing trade You know what I mean or scoop dips or going with starters in position size correctly But with day trading you got to be on it like a hawk You got to be on it like a hawk. It's much quicker money But there's more stress in my opinion You have to be hands-on and you have to wake up every day and really learn a process and do it and get Locates and do this and how are the pivot line? There's there's a real language to learn So again, it's like there's more returns in day trading, but there's a lot more to it in my opinion That's the best I could say joe. I would love to hear what you what you have to say buddy Uh the con of day trading would be you can lose your money 10 times as fast as you can swing trading Dude, um, that's like the billboard, right? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, it I personally think the best day traders are people that Did not have Somewhere that they had to be In a day right, so many of the best day traders Are were young at one point, you know and They had over 25,000 or they were Um, they had a way to get there or they just started trading at the right time and they are a complete exception to the rule but If that is not you and you're somebody, you know, you have A few thousand dollars then you need to I would just I tell everybody you need to do swing trading I personally think this I think this yeah, I swing trading through stock or options I think that The success rate if people would start swing trading first The number of successful traders would go through the roof Compared to where it's currently at I agree joe because everybody's so obsessed with that get rich quick, but people realize swing trading you'll build good habits And then over time you'll be patient over time through your swing trades. You'll go. Oh, that would have been a good day trade Oh, that would have been a good day trade. Oh, that would have been a good day trade Oh, that would have been good and then all of a sudden you start building this mental catalog this mental bank account of Day trading knowledge through spending time at the screens for your swing trades and then going back and reviewing and so on and so forth That you will eventually get to the point where you're gonna go Huh? Yeah, I see it now. I see it Well, and it's and it's like and it's like joe like on like day trading versus swing trading There's really no indicators outside of VWAP this blue line that really in my opinion help you day trading but There are indicators like I actually have one I have rsi for the daily charts dude If I'm swing trading this I want it like there's actually indicators that can really help you with swing trading I know we kind of I have called out live trades Based on just rsi for large gaps and bottom tick the living crap out of them Joe, uh, dude. I've been doing this for eight years, bro. Why do you think I'm long PayPal? Look at this rsi massive fucking look at sq. Sq is the same thing Bro 100% and it's like when you're new and like we just said guys, you're a family man You've got a job what you have to report maybe you're the ceo of a big company But you want to make some extra scratch on the side whatever but you have no time The big cap swing trading. I love it man. It builds good habits You wait for certain indicators do your thing if that's how you go about it There's more tools to help you and it's and dude when you get the right things It's pretty hands-off man and then eventually when you build an account large enough like I would say personally a good number is 35,000 Like if you have you know, 35 grand in your pocket That is what you need in order to be able to like set yourself up for success when it comes to day trading So if you have a small amount of money I would say you need to grow it to 35,000 through trading yep and then You graduate to a day trader Now some people you're going to come into this and You're going to go. Nope. I'm going to go directly to day trading I've got 35 grand and they start day trading. They follow the macy process And they make it And that's great. Yeah, total for those of you that do not have 35,000 The process I'm telling you to do is start swing trading first build to 35 Doing it all through m. I see And then you go that way. Have you have 35 grand? Then use the m. I see process follow alex's watch lists start on paper first Learn how to trade first learn how to place the orders how things move Yeah, et cetera And then go to live money But I in my opinion you need at least 35,000 to set yourself up for success because the reason why we say 25 grand The reason why joe said 35 is because if you're at 25,000 you're just making the margins for pdT And that's yeah, have you trading like a plus you and if you go under if you have 30 If you have 30 really you only have five grand worth of equity. Yeah, literally. It's like you have five count You make 10 bad trades and that's gone. You're gone. Now you're under pdT Now you switch brokers to even play the game And you don't have the good boroughs anymore. You don't have anything that you can do It all starts stacking against you so 35 for me is is like that key number Um, that's the balance I like because it gives me 10 grand of padding between that number and pdT I know and like if I lose 10 grand like something's very wrong like Just like oh goodness and like in september in september. I had a big drawdown and I was like Oh God What happened dude? I like that was my only red month every now and then they happen man I'll tell you and yeah, and it's like joe like here's another thing is like how much Comfort zone do you have right? Like I was never a major size player in small caps There was a small brief period where I tried it, but I realized it wasn't my comfort zone But on long-term swings for the last eight years. I don't know what clicks in my brain But dude, I will throw the house Into a long-term swing in a good company. I mean like dude Oh, yeah times where I'm really thrown dude like 30 percent of my entire net worth into a position But I I can't do that in day training man I like my slow and steady make your money every single day through process Alex is really good at the small caps I throw in the house. You know what I mean? So you have to find your like what are you comfortable with man? So it's like you're only going to find out by doing Absolutely and we all want to be like Alex, right? We all strive to be that Alex is an exception to the rule He had a mentor like bow in the beginning in his developmental phases that taught him a mindset that Literally made him a monster Right and he did and you guys have to think the reason why it was such a perfect like kind of trifecta situation He was young with no responsibilities He didn't have kids in a family and he had access to bow at fucking 23 years old He had no outgoing mom. He had no debt except for a girlfriend And he dumped her exactly Dude, I'm telling you man when you have responsibilities later in age you play safer When you like I'm telling you man, even Roland's a big player these days Like maybe Roland doesn't have like super responsibilities. So he's able so guys. I don't know. I'm just I'm not singling out of it I'm just saying that there really is sometimes a perfect trifecta Of where your life is and what trajectory and what year you are like, dude Typically speaking the older generation traders someone who starts in his 50s Is always just going to be a lot more conservative and not necessarily becoming Alex become good But never have a 700,000 rp in L just because dude, he's he's never going to throw that type of size that would generate that kind Oh, shit Dude Roland really is an outlier than the rule, man Yeah A lot of the success stories that you guys see out there. These are people that had No responsibilities Correct No responsibilities starting out So those of you that have these responsibilities that are trying to Again swim upstream Against the current in salmon mating season trying to bump elbows with all the other salmon Like It is going to be hard very very very very very hard and if you take the approach of the You know the low and slow Like any good barbecue You'll be fine. Like if you just sit back and say, all right, I don't need this today, but I need this Every day Joe, I've gotta do this every day. I've got a perfect example for anybody listening. It doesn't matter what sector it is It's the same mentality. I have a 26 year old friend Where he makes $400,000 a month. Guess what he does 100 percent of his usd. He converts to bitcoin 100 percent 100 fucking percent of his money keeps no fiat because he thinks fiat dies in five years Now i'm not here to say it does or it doesn't I don't know But because he's 26 no family no kids no girlfriend. Guess what he's able to do businesses that generate him a lot of money If bitcoin dies tomorrow and goes to fucking zero He is good and he's young. He can bounce back But he makes $400,000 a year upwards of four sorry $400,000 a month upwards of $4 million a year converts every last dollar That he doesn't have to pay taxes to the bitcoin. I think he's out of his mind But guess what he's young and that's what we're talking about. So he throws the house If you think about this like he could not do that Oh, no If you think about this and you think about like the big success stories that have kind of come out of small cap day trading the two biggest ones are alex And tim grittani both of those people did not have They did not have more than 25 grand in their accounts in the beginning So out of thousands and thousands and thousands of people that have came into this the two people that have done it Are tim grittani and alex and guys, we're talking astronomical gains like four million any year like alex is going to make You know this year like that kind. No not steven ducks. No Ducks had more than 25 grand. Oh, I don't know anything about that. Yep Yeah, ducks had more than 25 grand. He was able to trade over pdt Tim sykes grew up in a different generation tim sykes grew up in the dot-com bubble got good at longing dot-com hype and gained money off of that Okay There's really only two people that have done the you know two four five 10 grand and turned it into a fortune Yeah, sykes was before the pdt rule Well, and like joe like I think the most important thing that kind of like book and why we brought that up is guys You don't have to be alex to do this if you can make 200 dollars a day You get to supplement your income and live a life that you love Yeah, like like that's what we're talking about like fuck the 700,000 art pianos You guys don't need those stop getting lured in by all of these people on twitter. They're like man I swung $200,000 say I was down 300 now i'm up 400. Yay. I'm gonna like beat on my chest Okay dipshit. That's good for you. But what about 10 000 other people that can't do that and they just want a fucking good dinner at night, man Like because they're eating Top ramen every night like the college kid just wants a nice dinner every night. That's very easily achievable once you learn process And then hopefully you do get to the point where you can buy houses and cars and Rolexes and richard mills and stuff great But at first it's about being realistic of like look alex is alex But you'd be you you'd be the best version of you. Yep Like dude just because you make a thousand dollars a week because you learned day trading bro a thousand dollars a week that you didn't have before It's gonna change your life It's going to change your life It's gonna pay off your cars. It's gonna pay off your credit card. That's gonna pay off your house student loans It's gonna pay off that fucking buckle credit card that you've had for 20 years because you liked the way that Archaic shit looked and now we know joe wears buckle Oh, dude, I don't wear buckle, but I knew people like that in college that they had like Buckle credit cards and they would max them out like for grand Because this was when like if you were a college student you could get an introductory credit card And then if you had mom and dad cosign with you, you'd get you'd get a fat credit line Dude mine would max it out mine was macy's bro when i was 17 they gave me that 200 limit I felt like like oh you're on cloud i feel like you're on musk. Yeah Yeah, like I can buy a bottle of I can buy a bottle of cologne and Matthew mcconnie and cologne and then turn off all the girls because it smells like shit Yeah, paying a hundred dollars for a bottle of dior and then Spend the next six months trying to pay it off on my taco bell fucking salary On your freaking paper out. Oh, yeah, right God talking about a wet dream Dude take me back to 1999 Jeez man This is yeah, so that that's what I mean about the swing trading versus day trading is Is that you know if you if you don't have More than 25 grand You need to look to swing trade immediately Or options trade it's kind of the same thing, but yeah swing trade. Yeah. Yeah swing trading using stock or options. So correct I I just I don't think that I mean, I've just seen the data. I've seen the data Joe we had a joe we had a member and I never dude I mentioned this so many times because I still like i'm so proud of this fucking kid Dude, he turned $1,300 and a 70 000 learning your option stuff. What the fuck Where's my fucking percentage? That's insane I want my cut. Where's my Venmo son? Where's my cut? Next to you. I accept apple pay I get all forms all forms all forms of payment There there's our new passive income source when you turn 1300 into 70 000 now you gotta cut us 2 Fuck that I want 30% Oh, that's just too greedy Okay, 20 A finder 3 is 10% right. Yeah Joe's coming in with yeah, let me eye gouge you like Janet Yellen in the face. Right. Yeah the Dems and Callie Oh my god, bro, well shit, man. I actually got to get on the road because uh My dog's got a shit, but uh, dude, this was this was the funnest weather man I forgot Joe how fun these are man. We used to do these like podcast style for real. No, man Yeah But can you guys videos for the options? Yeah, dude. Yeah, hell. Yeah, we got a whole options boot camp Uh, oh link, uh, Joe if you have them real quick if not guys if you're an m. I see member, um Just go in the video library and you'll be able to find that but um, yeah, man We there's a whole section in the video library called options boot camp Yeah, we have everything for you guys just use the search feature options boot camp or the drop down menu for sure Where is it where's my slack? Oh He wanted to kind of not remain completely anonymous, but there's no video on it He was just it was more so to me alex and bow and deems. He was like, I'm kind of shy. I'm a young kid Uh, and yeah, and I think I think he posted like a chart It was a while back But we didn't make it too big of a deal just because he was kind of embarrassed He was actually shocked embarrassed excited all at once, but it was like we were like holy shit Like we we knew the potential but damn right Dude guys, that's the power of options I've been saying that since you know since I started trading options is It gives you the ability to take, you know a small account and You're trading something that is leveraged and so therefore It I mean in my opinion, it's it's it's using margin without using margin if that makes sense Yeah, and there's just no excuse guys like oh, I can't learn trading because I have only 1500 in my name It's like, uh, sorry. We we proved that wrong actually Yep Yes, you can so for those of you that are like somebody says, you know, I only need $500 to start absolutely But should you start day trading with 500? Nope negative ghost rider. Oh, yeah, totally swing trade stocker options And guys that yep, it's just about It's just about education in the beginning guys Whatever you end up choosing if you feel like you have to rush in with options because you only have a little bit of money It starts with getting a membership because guys this is a free webinar Like seriously think about how many things we talked about today. Maybe you learned. I hope you did This is just a free webinar I mean imagine being being a paid member where you get access to the video library and you get access to So many different things and and like joe was talking about earlier I brought this up and passed it but it's like do the average billionaire has seven streams of income So don't quit your job and just bank the house that you're going to be a trader tomorrow Like this all takes time this all takes time like you know what I mean? And it's like It's just part of the process man. It's part of the life process part of the trading process But you're going to get a good education at m. I see that's guaranteed. Will you be the next alex? That's never guaranteed very few become the next alex But you can become the best version of yourself that's going to make either a full time or a supplementary living at m I see in which case just like just like see me said or simone You know he's only paper trader right now after six years But he knows he's learning the right material and he's gonna get there and with determination and work at it He will man. He he will because we teach the right shit So if you guys want to sign up Just hit my line two one three four five eight five nine and seven doing a big discount lifetime right now for the holidays only But if you're interested in annual and coming in on on that regard as well I'll hook you up. We'll we'll figure out what we can do with case to case basis But um, yeah, man, hopefully you got a little out of this and joe dude. This was so fun, man Thanks for coming on man seriously. Yeah, absolute man Dude give the family my best and uh do the damn thing for the holidays, man And we'll reconvene soon buddy later, man. See you joe See you guys super fun, man