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But you know the Gagi is the handle that is posted this story has actually government verification meaning that blue check mark by X literally supported by Elon Musk. So I think when it comes to now freedom of speech, there's a lot of argument in there but I love the fact that you know X is now advocating for freedom of speech and series of activism and speaking of activism today, we are talking about Mata's GBV and literally what is it and what does it take to talk about it especially the conversations surrounding some of this rambana outbreaks of you know we've seen in fact last week there's a video of a young lady in fact she's a 19-year-old who was thrown. I don't know if it was thrown, she was thrown or she threw herself from 10th floor to ground floor and police are still currently investigating but a video footage of it shows her and her companion entering into this private facility. I don't know what happened but we are still waiting for a police report on that one and definitely I'll be here to fill you in but joining us today to talk about Mata's man I'll get us to GBV I have two powerful gentlemen being joined live in the studio by Stephen he's a teacher youth mentor and a GBV activist alongside Kimani Oshira he's a youth council chairperson from Kiyambu, I believe Kiyambu County. Karibulisana gentlemen great to have you guys. Thank you. All right I'm going to start with you Masinde. When it comes to this GBV space and there's so many stories that we've covered recently there's been a trending hashtag and Femiside KE we've seen outrageous heartbreaking stories of young girls being murdered some of them just disappearing and their body parts being found dumped in literally horrified places so when we have to start this conversation about GBV where do we start now that you guys the both of you have expertise and even a hands-on experience in advocating for Mata's GBV where do we start the conversation? So first of all it's not where do we start we have to understand what is it first for example when you talk about Femiside it's just a part so GBV covers a lot GBV is gender based violence which gender are we talking about is it men or? Yes it counts across all genders. But when you talk about Femiside this killing particularly girls or ladies by a man not anyone else not another lady it is a man. So when you look at our country that's what is happening that's what it's happening ladies are being killed why are they being killed? So we have to look at the root cause of these killings the Femiside what is the root cause? So what is the root cause according to you? It depends these people that's why we say GBV is a dynamic thing it is wide so it depends we as men we have to look at this I'm killing this person what will I gain what is he that is making me to kill this girl you know that because if it is a cooperating is what is making you to maybe the lady says bro you are earning 80,000 and I need 40 then you say no my money is not maybe that is what is making more men who spend a mimba then at the same time you don't have to take care of it so we as men when we talk about the causes mostly it is either family or relationship maybe we can start by defining fast GBV and then we can pick up from the branches of it so GBV is any violence or violence against men or women so that is it then Femiside we have said that it is what it is the killing of women or girls particularly so that's what we have narrowing down to gender so we cannot say we are talking about Femiside then we say we should know Femis gas only and from the one feminine female Femiside and I love the fact that with the help of social media now some of these things are being narrowed down to the needed gritties and giving it voice so when we talk about this you look at Kenyan yesterday is it yesterday last week this lady you have said that she threw herself the report says I watched that thing then do you know that the man that was there in the house was stabbed I think the issue now so when you talk about this lady what made it for her to throw herself was it that she threw herself or she was thrown from your observation at what you feel your mindset on it what do you think so what I think is there is a root cause of that before someone makes a decision of throwing or throwing someone out maybe they went in the apartment there is a girl there is a boy they had their business right but maybe there was a disagreement either lady or a man never agreed to one of I think that so we have as men we have to look at we have to understand and practice the concept if someone says I always make let us say I always let us agree no is no let us not say no I am a man wunambianani who am I telling who is a woman before me let us just understand the concept and practice it that one will make us to be subamended let me jump to you Mr. Oshira to call him Mr. Oshira so for you if you or maybe from some of your past experiences and you come from Kiyombo and understand you very passionate about this and you've done it for quite some time when it comes to addressing it for you individually what are some of the areas you managed to address and also even talked about them and maybe they were successful and some of them are still missing as much as this guy is trying to say that why did you kill this young lady thank you for hosting me I am Kimanyu Oshira the chair of Kiyombo Youth Council Kiyombo Youth Council is a youth organization that deals with our payers of youth built under three pillars social accountability economic empowerment and political participation and under the pillar of social accountability that's where we engage in issues with GBV and activism as we have clearly stated I have been actively involved in the institute with GBV since I was in campus I started in Meru we helped Meru County Government under Kirito Stewardship develop the first ever gender based violence policy in Kenya as most of our people might be aware that Meru is where you nambia mtunikatia ule una kata alafon uleza ma story badae Ruta has been quoted saying that Is it Meru or Nyeri? Meru they are very aggressive and they are also patriacal so there was a need for gender based violence actually most of the hospitals the casualties are full of victims of either GBV or violence in general so the campus setting drove me to see the urge and need to address the things that are not addressed in our community and it being difficult for a man to talk about some of these things I later worked with an organization called Men End FGM Men End FGM that is read by Tony Wemba and that's why I got actively engaged in some of these things we have been able to address some of the GBVs and GBVs he said is broad it has the violence part of it physical or emotional and it generally cuts across all genders but then there are various forms that now we will say that this is partening a certain gender and now that is separating the two coming back at home in Kiambu after finishing campus we started engaging and continuing the conversation and the dynamics are different from Meru in Kiambu where we find that now Kiambu we find that the rape cases are high that is a GBV and the brain both live for women and sodomy for young boys and later or rather when they grow old we are the second reading county in Kenya and that has agitated for us to even draft a petition and take it to a call to action petition appreciating what has been done but agitating for more to be done by our national government and also the county government we need to ask ourselves where did the rain start beating us and that petition tried to answer those questions it's also good before I mention to the petition to mention that was equally involved in organizing and also mobilizing men to attend the popular demonstration that was happening hashtag endfemiside they call it demonstration but we are calling it social accountability holding our people accountable now let me ask you still again you've mentioned your society where you come from the community is a little bit patriarchal and the ecosystem or the climate of it has people who that are aggressive meaning that there's some underlying issues of anger and result but for me point it out to mental health issues and do you believe maybe it's because we are never taught the tools especially as men on how to express ourselves and the strategy of clearly approaching things especially now that most of this are aligned towards the female agenda and how do your eyes start a clear conversation with the lady who says no and I have to take that no and go with it so do you think maybe society needs tools to approach and navigate that and especially from where you sit maybe what are some of the missing links that you identified in terms of even advocating for it addressing it and maybe just ensuring that we spread awareness thank you very much you are correctly highlighted that there is a problem with how we have brought up our community in the beginning of the 21st century we focused so much on empowering the girl child and we have not informed the boy child how to handle this empowered girl child we are still using the patriarchal system of raising our boy child since young that as a man you are not supposed to do this as a man you are not supposed to do this and some of these things are things that were done pre-coronio after the colonizing came we had an emergency things started changing gender roles cooking was no longer a gender role it's a common thing to do even nowadays because I'm sure you are cooking for yourself but remember back then in Ushago you were told that men should not cook the question is who will cook for you at campus or later in life or when you are alone literally who cooks or when the wife is maybe at she is just very bad who will cook for her that is the conversation we should be having changing the narrative and my set of both genders at tender age starting from probably class seats going to high schools so that the next generation and that is the gap that is existing we have empowered and cultured men and the boy child is not informed how to handle her that association is what is being reflected today as a suicide and as a community or as an association we have tried addressing that by doing reach out to boys schools especially boys schools and also day boarding that is mixed because we are saying that the people in the society must have this conversation and also we have been calling into action to a highly privileged man to have this conversation because if the president talks about it if the governor talks about it he will change the narrative about the issue we are also engaging in social conversations starting from memes you know what is driving we are asking ourselves today what drives the conversation what drives memes and stuff so we are creating graphics, contents memes creating awareness and also changing the narrative and the thoughts of our people lastly mental health is an issue that has resulted to felmicide people will ask how please how interesting question if a man has suffers from he does not believe in himself and he is told no he will start asking questions but then we have not normalised the conversation of no is an answer and no should be respected like no is a response just like yes if applied for a job they told you no process it and go with it when you apply for a job when you are given a no you don't go banging the door when I really tells you no it's a no when a gentleman says no it's a no stop trying to bring subsidies or to change the no because that is where the problem is coming secondly and for the gentleman back to mental health we have not created a support system such that when I am rejected how do I do we don't have main contesting about success stories I was rejected I went maybe for 3 months in the dark I came back found somebody better but it's normal to be told no I think it also depends with the mental the mental gravitas of the person how do you process no because I understand these people when they are told no literally the world is tumbling down for them and when somebody receives a yes that's when they feel a fund so I also think it's a mental health issue and maybe let me divert it to you so that you have something to say in it so Sakwa Mr. Oshira has just said something but has triggered my mind he said when you look at this at home a child sees what a child sees is more stuck in the mind than what a child hears so this GBV says from home I am a father I am now trying to show masculinity I am a man showing it before my children I am doing it with my wife you have started that this young man young young young man will grow up knowing that I what am I doing if a lady cannot talk before me my dad has been doing it my grandfather has been doing it so I come from a community whereby I am a lawyer I come from a community whereby some years back they say that they cannot educate a lady or a girl why mindset so if we start and change this one whereby we come out from the cocoon of the traditions then this thing of Feminside GBV will never happen but today it's really shocking it's happening we're almost even almost ending 21st century anyway it's shocking and heartbreaking that it's happening in the 21st century but also when you pinpoint to this cases specifically you realize the first case that brought a lot of massive outrages the Nigerian ones the Nigerian ones that I think they abducted they tortured and it was just heinous and then we've had several as well a lady who went on a date she was pushed off 7th floor 10th floor, 15th floor now there's another one again but also when you pinpoint once again they are coming from the same same direction Saidiya Thikarod Climaty and Nigerians and people who are doing forex I'm not saying forex is a bad thing but the narratives and some of the things around it new otwa forex, Nigerians Kiambu you've mentioned so why is it that these things are coming from the same same direction and Amaziza as a county Zingina Zikwangi reporting Saidiya Thikarod Saidiya Thikarod maybe they cover mostly why it is a sensitive area maybe as as maybe activists we have to for example what he did during the end of the famous Saidiya what happened but when we go deep in the villages this thing is happening more than what they are covering there's something women beating I think it's an African thing there's men who believe a woman should be beaten for her to be sensible because what I was telling you we have to change that perspective more of village boys like me I come from the village I'm also about that I don't when I let them, I'll be rejected nili kata liwa na madem it's now that aki kata mpigibare why? she has the only opinion let us give them time to express themselves to express their views she doesn't like your period you are not her type the lady who told me that she told me one thing you ugly I told her one thing I was created ugly so that you created beautiful so I can see you I love the way you took the negativity throw it back as flowers that was the end for real we never fought that's what you did for sure you swear I swear I'm kidding then we took about this when we took about GBV let us not victim blame mostly let us not blame victims for example we are talking too much about these ladies I knew her before I went with this lady she had dressed in the reports they usually ask how are you dressed let us not victim blame for example when victim blame this girl will not be open she will never maybe she has been done this then she escaped she came and said sakwa when I shared sakwa he will start judging me negatively so we have to build self environment for these girls or ladies I think we talked about that in our intro there's no spaces for speaking out I pointed out a man who has been sexually abused the question would be are you the one who was sexually abused or you're the one who was abused because people will not believe you and also it's odd for a man to say oh I was raped by who because you're the man so one thing we have to we have to for example we cannot say that the government should do it why not the government it is not the government doing it it is us doing it and then we push it to the government so the bottom line is us to change ourselves when I accept it it is no after accepting that we start telling these girls if you have a problem come share we'll do it together we are into these together these girls will feel like if Masinde can give me a listening or a shoulder to lean on why not should I not open to him but when a lady comes and I say it will be billions I think that maybe you are married your wife was just messed up so we have to change we have to change that let us just create an environment whereby these ladies have a voice they have a voice to express themselves let us not victimize them more let us not make them unself I agree let me come back to you you've mentioned your community they are very aggressive but then you've mentioned story in empowerment do you believe that empowerment do you believe that empowering the boy child will also help in alleviating these issues but then also I had a conversation Andrew Kibat some point said he feels like society is creating weak men because most of them absent dads, absent mothers so they come from a background of confusion or if the dad and the mum is absent they don't care about them so the men that we have today are broken men who don't know what they are doing like you are just trying out life if it works let it work but then you don't have the tools of navigating through and even understanding that hey as a man there's some things I need in my life there's a voice I need to hear as a guiding light there's a way I need to act and react when I'm in a group of women or in a setup where it's all women but by the way in the whole entire world women are more than men like the ratio towards men men are for lesser fraction as compared to women so either way women are always gravitated towards men because the number is very small so from what you've observed what do you think maybe should be done before I come to my observation there is something he mentioned and I want to change the narrative I'm at the view or the reason why cases within deeper CBD are high it is the magnitude of how the themes are done that are making news some of these cases are reported elsewhere but probably maybe it was she was hanged or maybe suffocated but the magnitude of how it's done is what is making it news or more trending in Nairobi so it means the places it's happening but not being reported it is reported but it does not peak as the ones in the Kiyambu site because of the magnitude of how things are done the act is committed the mutilations of parts and also brings the point probably most of the parts that are missing are exported it changes the conversation changes the genitals etc and also about spirituality some of those things are used to do spirituality so it's kaltik but then also you also need to understand that this region the people here are aware the ladies will always come out to fight for their rights that brings the agitation back to what I have observed in Storia Kibe and beginning in Storia Kibe very true he is partially right partially right because if you listen to him well and I'm sure most of the men will disagree and others will agree here is raising a point a silent point and the point is the way we are raising our men the community is shift the community is changing and we are raising a man the way we used to raise him or her him in a few years back and then there is the way we are raising the town man and the Ushago man totally different also there is a line between there is a line a man raised in the rural area and a man raised in the urban area maybe you understand some of the differences those who are mostly are men from urban because that is where urban they are the weak men according to Kibe's point they are the people who have been raised from most of them single parenthood because remember back the African in society raised men if your dad was not there if they are missing by death or he is not there you are adapted by the uncle or he will be there for you but in Nairobi it's a baby raised by women according to Kibe and it makes sense because you don't have a father finger but that does not also mean that you should be aggressive to any other lady who is equivalent to your mum something else that has come to our attention especially in the settings of campuses there is so much expectation for a man that when we get to university we need to have a girlfriend and if I reject a bad thing or a good thing I am not to comment about is this bad or good because maybe it's of age but then that narrative is making a lot of men now go to approach ladies without having a need to like you are just approaching because you are told when you go to campus you need to have a girlfriend but you are never told how to have that girlfriend back to the society how we are raising our people and I have seen a text from Dr. Juliet from Kiyambo who is a former CEC and they have wajiko diga and they are saying that we need to fully restructure the conversation of how our boy child are brought up in our community because if we empower informed we don't have to empower the boy child we only have to keep him informed keep him informed not empower but then what is this empowerment empowerment this empowerment that but also I noticed most empowerment associations are only for women I know few in our Dada there is one I don't know called Dada Sphere we cannot fit in I am not saying it is a bad thing but then this empowerment what is it I will say that if you look at the things that they do they keep the girl at par with what is happening in the world they also provide dignitary packs because we understand that most of our redis may have challenges challenges of work at home especially in primary school when administration starts and it's good to have that conversation as men they don't have access to such as dignity pack we have things with budabuda guys a guy who can provide that so the empowerment comes in maybe providing those dignitary packs and inform them but then as a man we have been unable to reach out to our boys staff remember most of us who grew in Musiago we grew with torn vinyasas because we used to kiyasa yashudendu nana na kuchesa nobody is trying to reach it may have changed a bit but nobody is trying to reach out to that man to that future man to that future president or whoever he is going to be he is raised in a way that he is almost secreted because he is a man because you figure it out and eventually sometimes it's true you figure it out as a man without empowerment I know so many success stories of men literally if you look at any man who is successful they always have a sad story oh like you mentioned torn kinyasa no shoes never had two males a day to only one male a day no father no mother or I ran away from home and they are not billionaires literally they figured it out that's why I say we need to keep the boy child informed about what is happening in the world and also to their fellow rabies we also need to train them on how to handle this we need to be informed ready because as I said earlier we are raising somebody to who this is going to meet already who he was raised to we say that we are raising this young man in a bit traditional way that a man is not supposed to do this a man is not supposed to do this or as a man you are expected to do this and this or this and that and when you are not able to definitely that can't be away from you are called a lesser man lesser man let me transfer that I love a second lady Mrs. Rigati Gashago Pasta Dorkas to be specific she is advocating for the rights of the boy child he has poignantly said it maybe we need to keep the boy child informed but do you believe empowering the boy child will make them learn and know how to treat women so that we never had cases of femicide anymore before I respond to that I might just say something about what you are saying so when we talk about this maybe this thing is happening because of the traditions that we have picked that's what she has said the tradition we have left it then when we talk about empowering we inform them let them be aware of what is happening because that is during covid when I went we had a campaign Future with no violence that is coaching boys into men whereby I was talking to slam kids boys mostly and we had flash cards every day we were to teach them abusive language so when don't use abusive language against are you saying that so when we inform them when you abuse a lady likeness so let us bring these boys let us not say these guys have been given sentral towels and boys are being left let us look on the ways boys have been given boksans by the way thank you so that's what you have it is dignitas I have witnessed that with dignitas there is a group called dignitas that's the best group I have ever seen they are giving out boksans they give out the uniforms from the shoe then the vest and boksans they don't say that because we are giving out sentral towels let us leave boys so what you have why are they being given boksans I am trying to wonder why should somebody give you an innerwear as a means to empower you look at this why are ladies being given sentral towels because they bleed every month a boy also needs a boxer for example we have we took up about the tail and they are now maturing they are preteens whereby there are changes will these young men walk without boksans and then something happens what will happen the tail will start itself doing wonders are you saying that ok ok ok so we have to talk about it they have to be given so that they know it is my responsibility to have this because of ABCD but for me I think it's poverty because if somebody is giving you innerwear to empower you it means there is so much that needs to be done that's like the last of the most if being given a boxer is going to empower you so that's poverty we cannot say boksans itself can work teach them for example I have boksans how many boys will I reach maybe to help you there is an example because when you call ladies and they go back with kusami and remember this man might not know what he does not know what he feels the cruelty so in the spirit of showing them he is also equal and they are given that English pack probably that boksans or even sets even pens but then the set is given to both genus because it's an education necessity so that he can feel that he was given something that is private to him as a man and then we must also agree that kusami boksans we only have one boxer for title and also there is like shem or not a kawoksans it's not a shem compared to a lady the mother will understand she has gone through mantas we remember that he is observing and we say that manki see manki do and as a kid what you see more is what you tend to practice so when he feels that he is secluded was turned on a piyango he lost hope that separation and rift might be chaotic later and maybe I also have seen a friend called Feburu Gwasi from youth fun she is saying that this conversation cannot end without mentioning the rope drug and substance abuse in cases of hemiside because you go there with the lady a man in a raid goes to a club take shisha take weed and other drug alcohol name them even hard drugs they go to a room maybe the raid is not when they didn't have that conversation but of what is going to happen in those rooms and then when a man makes a move or advances when the raid sees no most of the time they don't take as much as we do or rather the insecurity in the insecurity in themselves maybe we need to do this later when we have soba or stuff the man because he is under influence does things that he may not do when he is sober so what you are saying is in some of these cases those that have committed this sin as acts committed them out of their sin minds yes because they were intoxicated not in sin when I am using this drug it is not that you are in sin you are using something that you know so it is what you call the judgment impaired judge so this person will have impaired judgment he cannot judge it for example I am saying I am meeting a friend of mine maybe probably a lady when you look at this what is happening why is it happening where does it start from starting from a club we have to look at all the it is from the club then from Stella to Wahoo thank you he made that a club then it is going there so when we talk about because I thank the deputy president he was in Krinjaga and he said we have to look at these stories that elicit blue alcohol and elicit blue so we have to limit actually they permanently ended sell of alcohol it is not permanent they cannot permanently end they cannot end permanently why one of the things they fear is losing taxes they are creating money for the government so they cannot end it what we have to we have just to tell these young people if you are using it in moderation even if when you take a tasker it is written drink responsibly if you take two your mind will be ok but someone is taking 10 of them but I also believe you won't just wake up today and go to a club and start taking or downing 10 muzingas there must be something underlying either you are having fun and celebrating that's what I believe my own sentiments you are celebrating your achievements or there is something you are trying to hide or there is something you are fighting and you are trying to find an escape route so I don't believe you can just down two muzingas and you are normal and you are chilling that's what you are saying first we are saying this one we are not open to tell a friend what is ailing us I say that if I am open to you or I am open to a shira just say a shira you know what I am going to this bro so how can I come out of it I am not open I am not open to a shira because that's how you've been met I am not open to a shira I am open to a shira but it does not apply literally once you say your problems you will definitely seek help you remember what happened to Amush he came back again saying he needs help was that a demonstration of what happens to men no that's no what happens to men that was his personal so how many men do we have that are going through similar experiences that are silent for example I have worked with I live in the Islam kaiole so there you will get boys maybe someone the father died mother died this young man he works up and convinced he said he needs help he said he needs help that is 20 bob now he needs help I think that the child is in form one young man is in form one form two that's why I said they are going through and I've said in future in future might be tomorrow or next hour we have to come out and talk about issues as men let us not die with them but you know there's a formula and a strategy you can just start screaming you cannot scream of course it's reasonable it's reasonable talking I cannot just wake up and say hey you know what mimi dema menikata I've seen it happen on socials last week there's a guy who went on tiktok he was crying I don't know if you saw the video and people sympathize and even they ask for the same person number and he got help I think it depends I like using what we say kazi yombuwa ninsuri sana kazi yombuwa ninsuri kusahidi akuinda akimaliza kuinda akileta kitawayo wana kusombuwa so the guy who was it literally asking for help or looking for money I think he was looking for help the way he was heartbroken I think it depends with processing some of these things when you need help the problem shared is a problem exactly that's what I believe secondly the reason why you have miscoversation about sharing is because we have not created safe spaces to share and is it bad to talk about it it is not but there is little information of even the existing safe spaces for instance I know people called mepboposma they do online webinars every week You will, they advise you to create a fake Google account so that you can join with a fake name. To just hide your identity. You can come, rent, speak out, have people who also maybe if you need professional counseling, they're also going to link you up with a professional counselor who will never know who you are. You'll attend those sessions online for free. But this information may not be available, is not available in the social media. No, not everyone is online or on TikTok or Facebook and Instagram. And the conversation should be how do we ensure that the already existing safe houses or safe spaces are retraced at most. And then how can we create more? We should be thinking about, should we be thinking about a policy making it mandatory for every health center starting from the dispensary, back at Waregi village, that is a very remote village in Kiyambu, that has a trend, they are called what? Psychiatrists or psychologists. Yes, and all other structure that is required to help our people. We should be talking about how can we create those safe spaces but not shaming those who are coming up. But people will always take advantage. In Kenya, outside Kenya, we always take advantage of systems. But how can we make sure that those who are in their needs of help can reach out. We should also think about as a requirement for our pastors. They can be the first people in religious leaders that cataclysm both denominations and religion. Imams can train some of them to do this cancering for our people. So that they can have safe spaces within our community where everybody can be able to reach out. Regardless of are they safe or not? Are they Christians or Muslims? We should create safe spaces. And some of these spaces will also help in addressing a lot of underlying issues because all these issues will go back to mental health. And when our society and our community are mentally well, we address a lot of issues. You will find that a boda boda guy driving but akiliyake haiku kwa barabara, jwa kuna issues ake, not kujakwa mental health ake. We can be able to invest in safe spaces and have trained professionals, volunteers maybe and others to support those trained professionals. Then I think we can serve around 20 to 30% of the problems that are rotating around our tables because generally that will go a wrong way in improving our economy because people will become more productive. And when you flip the coin, man are also being beaten, abused and killed. But the shared point is of course women because they are massively vulnerable. So how do you encourage men to come out and say, hey manzeni kuna bibi nalani pige lembaya. But when you look at the narratives that have been coined on that kamekali o kama cha party, zaman you should already, like the nature because you're a man you already have a voice but it's not always that you always have a voice as a man. So how can we also create that gap so that we help men that are being beaten and also killed. And most of the cases reported are very few, even the rape cases. So remember this activist, Duna Najita, we know Ama Oteano. He came out and said he was sexually harassed or abused by a lady and everybody turned in on him. They were like, you enjoyed it, definitely. Yes, you enjoyed it, stop lying to us and don't even talk about it. How is it possible to do that? One thing that we need to start doing is educate the duty bearers. Where do you report when this happens in a police station? If you find in the gender testing that has been done and we have various police stations with gender days but you find somebody who is talking the way he wants or has his own issues and victim shame, you will go to more depression than you were. So the first thing is we need to educate, train our duty bearers. Secondly, change the conversation about in our community because these things are happening. Manomea na pigu ahuko, na mibi, a girlfriend na nanda krabu, na piga kijana kofi and if you get aggressive, you will be on the receiving end. So we need to have that conversation that it is right to speak up because silence kills. Secondly, where do you speak up to? That is the next stage, the duty bearers. That goes back to creating safe spaces. Like in the way in the American you say when somebody is recovering from drug, there are the AA's meetings. We need to have such meetings within our community. Rehabilitation centers, wellness centers, etc. Before even you go to the habitation, we start with small AA meetings. You know you have been abused, he has been abused. You can meet, give each other, talk about it. Maybe when we say that speaking up is solving the problem halfway and then he will give his account and you say manzea na mimi yata skwamba ya hiwa. And if he is doing well, then I must also progress. Masindi, we are finalizing on that. You are to react on that on a man being beaten by the wife. The question is, wukia kwa yo kikaw kama wewa sasa. Wukia kwa kikaw ya mabuiz palo meka. I don't know what to say. Bibi na nichiapa ila mbaasana. I don't know if you are to imagine the reaction from your fellow men in the kikaw. If the reaction will depend, these people sensitize them. So you have to go and air out your views according to the setting, the environment. Is the environment safe? Is the environment safe? Are these people sensitized about that? Then I would like to see that if we see that duty bears. For example, this time I went to Soheto police station. Then I met a lady, I was talking about there is a girl who was maybe harassed by a teacher. Then the girl was going to report. This lady said, niniwa wali muwa naume. Muna penda kushikashikaw tu waschana. Are you seeing that? Then you have just gone telling her politely. So the duty bearer is the one first to be educated on how to handle this matter. If we do that, everything will be fine. So also the government should come out and also make these young people know they are important. Because we are talking about women rap. It's totally for ladies. Are you seeing that? Does that become a threat to the men? Because why? Let me tell you one thing. These people when we are created same equally. Why are we saying ladies first? So that one, we are creating negativity. Negativity in this man. Saying I'm superior than a lady. She has to be assisted. Another thing, two-third gender in the parliament. It is okay for it. But how are they bringing it? You say to that gender for ladies, we have youth, two seats, right? Then these youth we have female and male. I talk about that. Let me just sample the feedback very fast because we are exiting. Good morning from Kitale, Birunda. I'll come to you shortly and you'll just give us your parting shot. JJ Ozengo because we are out of time. Mombasani following and then I was he tried to meet a woman who had a partner. I do have a friend by the way. Anagito Anjiru. Jeef Dubo, I said, Valio. I've seen you. Deno and Sururu, all the way from Kapkelei, Sotikbo, Med County and then Edgar Hansamon. Nyahoruru, I believe so. Nyahoruru, tune in. Okay, thank you for that. I think that's what's up. More feedback? All right, cool. Continue talking to us. We'll definitely be sampling the feedback offline. We have to go in less than 30 seconds. Where can people find you on social media? Like we have done. Thank you very much. I'm Kumanu Wasira. I'm Kumanu Wasira in all social media handles. In viral, let me say hi to my mentor that is Wanjiko Biga, Dr. Joseph, Dr. Steven and all the people we work with and lastly, let me shout out to the Office of the Government Spokesperson by Isaac Mawra. Thank you. Thank you. You can find me on Facebook, that is Masinde Junior on Instagram, Masinde, TikTok, and then let me just shout out to my boss, that's Madam Emily Alum, the husband, Mr. Rafael, and my best sister. She was having a birthday yesterday, Nancy Masinde. Even if it's late, but her birthday is, then I always hope this thing will end forever. Wa luya na salamu, lazumonga salame wa atu ahom. That's all right. Thank you. I appreciate you and I hope this conversation will continue. We can't end this conversation. It's endless. We should not eat grass, not because you are proud, but because of who you are. If she says no, let it be a no and it's respected. And also otherwise, if the man sees no, our head is respect, it is a no. Don't try to change it. Thank you very much. We have overrun it, so we can continue. Thank you guys for coming through. My name is Bansanko. We'll see you tomorrow for Innovations and Entrepreneurship Tuesday. Enjoy your Monday.