 Another podcast like this, who gonna bring it to the table? Boss talk, who your girlfriend fave? Boss talk, we gon' do it how you want it. Boss talk, yeah, everybody, y'all. Check it, check it, check it. This is Unique Hustler, it's your boy, E-CEO, and I'm here with the lovely, amazing official, Mr. Maker, what's going on? Nothing, nothing, my dad will all go in. Hey man, hey man, we got a very special guest today here. He really don't need no introduction if you been tapped into the music scene, man. This guy right here, man, really OG in the game now. The new OG, check it, man, the new OG is here. My guy, Jelani, is in the building. What's going on, man? Boss talk 101, what a boss is talk. Oh, yeah, I'm feeling it. Glad to be in here with y'all. Hey man, thank you, man, for spending time with us. We out in LA, man, we just pulled it up, man. You gotta tell us what's going on, baby. Straight, straight out of here, straight to work, no hesitation. Say, man, don't, man, so, man, just, we always like to go into the back story, like who Jelani really is before it was Jelani, right? Before it was just Jelani, but at the same time, that's your name, right? Yeah, just Jelani. Right. I keep it simple. So we want to go back to... As a child, as a 10-year-old. We might want to go to Oklahoma, man. We want to go all the way back. Back to all the way back to Oklahoma. From here, we actually want to leave here, go to Oklahoma and come back. That's what we talking, okay? So, you know, I was born out here in LA. Okay. You know, my mom and my dad, my mom's from Oklahoma, my pops from out here. So about, I was four or five when they got divorced. Okay. My mom, of course, went back home. Pop stayed here. And you stayed with your mom? She got the kids, so me and my sister, we went to Oklahoma with her, but I got a good pop. See, you know, every summer, we is out here. So I got a little bit of the best, you know, got both worlds growing up. How was the difference in both worlds? It was cool for us, because we go back to Oklahoma, we come out here three months, go back home with all the new gear, with all the, cause there wasn't no internet back then. But we're the culture, though. I'm talking about the culture difference, the way how in LA, you know, you have the gangs of violence in there in Oklahoma, for Oklahoma, I always just think about racism, cause it's- There's racism out there, it's definitely gangs out here, everything's being orchestrated. But as a kid growing up. I missed that. My three months out here during the summer was just, you know, we was kids. So we're going to Magic Mountain Disneyland, you know, I play basketball, I'm going to the park to play basketball. So you're a good kid. So, yeah, it wasn't really, you know, pressure to be in the gangs. That's good. You know, no part of that. So it kind of missed me. You know, then I would go to Oklahoma, and they gang banging in Oklahoma too. Really? Yeah. And be in Inglewood families and, you know, all the gangs out here, you know, I know all of these guys. They ain't from out there, so, you know, it wasn't nothing for me to get into. I seen it, you know, the other side of it, too, it wasn't real, you know. Yeah. You know, I just kind of stayed in my own land, played basketball, didn't gang bang, you know, went through life. Still street. Still street. You know, in and out of the country, yeah. I never was part of that. But as a child, what was your dreams and aspirations? Like, what did you want to be? I grew up playing ball. So you wanted to be an NBA? Yeah, I wanted to play ball. Were you any good? I was good. I was real good. You're a guard. You know, I was a guy, you know. Drive, step back, bam! Yeah, you know, grew up with a cat named Jason Hart. He ended up going to play, you know, play some years. He was teaching at USC right now. It's like my stepbrother, so. That's dope. You know, I grew up wearing him out in the back yard. Yeah, so. Okay. That was my love. I just think, man, that to be able to convert from that Oklahoma scene, come up here, go back, man. That just builds character and understanding of how things flow in different worlds. And I think it builds character. Like you know, all right, there's certain things I do that I can't do it this way because I'm here. But then when I'm out there, because I got cousins out here. And when they would come to the country, aw, man, they like, what? They letting you pump the gas first, you know. This was a tripping, like really? Like they letting me off of the go. And then if you don't go, they like, oh, you a sucker. You a buster. Like you paying for gas, they was on my pump. I'm like, you see how nigga, we pay down here. That's right, yeah. But am I right? Yeah, that's real. These move different. Something that small, you know. I didn't even realize that. Like out there, they will let you pump and compare. You a buster. I'm like, what do you think I'm a buster? I remember my first cousin. He come down there, he tripping off me like, and I started stealing gas after that, bro. He put it in me. You know what I'm saying? Man, man. I'm feeling up like this, man. Yeah, so that's why I shut down. I ain't nothing out here. No, I did. I took him to the street poor, and they was over there trying to gang bang, and he was tripping, cause he live on Crenshaw. What these some suckers? How they gonna, they can't do this over here. They on the Cooper road, them niggas over there are solid too. I'm like, nigga, they'll kill you over here, man. For real, for real, they, you know, sometimes they get down. They get down for what they believe in. They believe in it, so, you know. So how did you, how did you, okay, you had to be in an area out here. How did you end up going like to, like getting in trouble, going to prison? What was that, what was that about? I started off in Oklahoma. You know, I started off in 16. I was breaking in shit. Yeah. A little boy just, just, just, uh. Man, I'm gonna be honest. I came up there to kill people in Oklahoma. Yeah. I was tripping, like I was up there. I had some stuff going on back. I was young and influenced by this old G-nick. He was like, man, you know, and I never told this story, so y'all don't judge me. And like, he was on the run, this dude was on the run. It was like, man, we gotta go up there. We gonna, we gotta get him while he on the run and we gonna have him. He used to ride with like 40 stacks. I never told this story and we knew that. But thank God I didn't, we didn't find him, you know. Thank God. Because I could have ended, my life could have been truly changed with that whole situation. Cause we were straight serious about it. You know what I mean? When you young, you don't think you just go with what's going on, right? Exactly, you don't think you don't. You're like, I'm going to go in there. Yeah, I'm like, oh yeah, we catch that nigga, yeah. We getting that, you know what I'm saying? So when you came out here, like, as far as when you moved to LA, did you, like, did you start, you was in a neighborhood, was you influenced by the culture? No. See, when I came out here- Really? When I moved back out here- And how old were you when you moved back out here? I was 23. Oh, so it was good. I was fresh out to Penitentiary out there. I did three years in Oklahoma. And when I got out, you know, I've been going in and out since I was 16. And my mom was like, the only reason I was still in Oklahoma, because she out there, she actually moved to Lancaster. And when I got out to Penitentiary, I went to Lancaster. Okay. And I was in 2000. Mm-hmm. And then so, but you weren't influenced by the gang culture at all? No, no, no. That's dope, man. I'm out of pressure. You a solid dude, bro. I mean, it's in my music too, you know. I like that, man. I like about it, you know. Like, you know, my pops told me, you know, you ain't got to be affiliated to not be a grown man, you know. You got to stand on your own too. So that's what I've been. And then Jelani, that's the name he gave me. And when I was out, when I came out on the albums, I was Jelani Williams, you know what I'm saying? I just kept my name. So it's always been there. And so the thing with like, like the big site dealings, how did you and him link up? That was when I got out to Penitentiary, I started doing music and I say 99. I had one year left. And it was kind of like a reality check. Like God, what I'm gonna do? You know what I'm saying? The NBA, I would have had to, you know. I would have had to be known. I'm kind of short, if y'all didn't know that, you know what I'm saying? So I was good enough. But well made it right. Yeah, it's just the work ethic. So I'm gonna put that work in. And here I was, you know, about to be 23. I didn't finish high school. You know what I'm saying? I had no job skills. And I kind of made the decision what I was gonna do. I was either gonna box or I was gonna do music. And I chose music. And so I started writing, you know. And I had a year, you know, the right when I wrote. You know, I got out, I had 66 songs. I knew them front and back. I moved out here. My pops had heard on a Steve Harvey show about this woman named Laila Steinberg. She was giving this microphone session, same microphone sessions that she discovered Tupac in. And I was a woman that discovered Tupac. Okay, I heard the name. So I went up there with her. And, you know, after about two months, she had me staffed the class and induced me to big site. Wow. It was four of us that she, you know, the class that day. And this was like 21 years ago. Still messing with Laila this day. It's my dog, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, good. And, you know. Good people is hard to find. Yeah, yeah, yeah, stay. I stayed loyal, you know, to, I met him 2000 when everything big site dropped. You know what I'm saying? We came out with the big site daddy, big site street commando, thug life, outlaws chapter one, chapter two, crazy bomb, acting about a lot of crucial conflict. You know, a bunch of people who's on these albums been on tour with Bone Thugs and Harmony. Yeah, shout out Bone Thugs and Harmony. I just seen that verse in a while. Yeah. It was busy throwing mics back then cause he just threw a mic. No, he was like throwin' mics back then. It was smooth, you know. What's different about them than when you're going, you know, go and sit with anybody else? With them, they got their fans locked in, you know, like you got a lot of people up and coming and then you got the ones that's kind of like, you know. The vets. Yeah. And so they already got their fan locked in and know all they, you know, they hits. Like, I'll be awesome if they're singing this shit too. You know. Ain't it just catchy, right? Yeah, you know, all they hits and, you know. You know, music was different back then. I was, it was good music. You know, it's different. So it was just, you know, it's definitely a learning experience, you know. Your process is that you write, you see a lot of these guys punching in now. What's the difference to you? What makes the distinct difference between punching in and just sitting in there and really going in with that pen? You punch in and you go in there in a studio like that, you're just doing it off-field. Your patterns and stuff, they might be good. They might be on, you might be real in pocket, but you ain't talking about nothing. You know what I'm saying? You sit down writing, you're talking about something. You're making your mind up. It's like, you know. It's different. It's therapy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're gonna stick with the writing. I'm talking about something that he tells. Yeah, yeah. That's what it's about to mean. So your mom, like when you first got into it, like, did she believe in the music in you? Or she was like, I don't know about the music. How was she? Go find a job that's gonna pay you now. Yeah, yeah. Was she supportive or? What did you say? Go find a job that's gonna pay you now. There's more on that, you know. Even when I came out on the first, I mean, listen, I got out 2000, 2000, September 20th of 2000. Okay. When I moved out here, it took me two months to get out here. I came out here by September 25th of 2001. Wow. One year and five days, the big psych daddy came out. I'm on four songs on the album. So I made it from a penitentiary to tell the record stories. This is back when the record stories- Yes, sir, quick. I'm like, that's quick. Calling back home like, I'm in a record storage. I go pick up this album. And what's your mama say? Tell my mama, where's the money at? How much money? Mama, the money ain't coming. But yeah, y'all, this is just- This is the intro. Where the people going in? Yeah. Tell me where the money gets real. Your mama Jamaican? No, she- They are already, right? She was straight up and then pasta in the same way. Like pops eat even the tougher shell to crack than her. Really? Yeah. So, you know, but, you know, they want to see me doing good. They want to see you doing good. They always want to see me doing good. And it's been an up-and-down road. Yeah. I think that's the career, though. That's life. I should say. It is. Everybody goes up and down. It's not even just one career or one age group, but everybody does. Yeah, you're right. Like, man, you got so many stories, so many hidden gems, man. What was something that Big Psyche may have told you that was referring to Tupac and his relationship? Oh, with Poc? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I got to hear that. You know what I'm saying? Big Psyche, one thing that stood out to me is how Big Psyche and Poc met. You know, Big Psyche was already out here doing his thing. Okay. He was already on the scene. He's already, you know, that guy and Mo Preen, Poc brother, had bought him up to his video shoot to meet him. Okay. And that's how they met. You know, that's how their relationship started. So if you notice, during their whole relationship, it was always Big Psyche was always put out there, Big Psyche. Yeah. Because he was outlaw. He was the only thug life member that was a thug life. And an outlaw. He was a Big Psyche and moves the league out. And then you got the song, My Closest Road was the Big Psyche. So it was a lot of respect in that relationship. You know what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. Yeah. For the show. For the show. You had no fun. You know what I'm saying? And he's out here in these streets of LA when I was out selling Big Psyche CDs, you know, I'm fresh out here from Oklahoma. Yeah. I got this Big Psyche CD with all these things. Like, yeah, man, I got this Big Psyche. I said, from my VC? My VC, yeah, from my, but, you know, Big Psyche from Tupac is making it right with, from my VC. Oh, they rockin' with him. Yeah, yeah. Hardcore. Yeah, yeah. So it was like, that's when I'm out here and I'm like, everything is set up. It's designed. Like that out here, you know. Everybody ain't touchin' this gang bangin' out here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Big Psyche, though, like this guy, man, he came on the scene. Pac was really like, every time he'll sing it, like on that, that All Eyes On Me, or if you go back even, I'm up early in the morning first to hit the block. That one right there. He gonna shout Big Psyche out every time. Nigga, like, period. You know what I'm saying? So that was a dope relationship, man. And that's why I asked you the question. I asked you, because that's the stuff that people really, like if I didn't ever get the interview, I gotta go through you. You know what I'm sayin'? Just to understand what that relationship was even until, and you know what I'm sayin'? So I just like the way that, you know, that part of the rap game, the entrepreneurship, the way that it slid everything through. That's a part that people don't really like to, well, they don't really talk about. The connecting that that did for our people. Oh, yeah, yeah. For real, for real. We didn't have that sense of unity with our young people like we do. People talk about the negative part, but they don't talk about the part where we unified in a way that was some good friendship built up on your pop. Am I right? I'm building good friendships, and we're still building it today. Yeah, that's right. We gotta look at that, cause people so quick to paint that gloomy picture. They don't, man, they don't do nothing. They always kill it. But there's a lot of good things that come out of our people. And we support each other, too. That's how you get a buildup on the word. People don't talk about that. They wanna talk about the bad, but they don't ever talk about the good. But, you know, I'm like a person that is like, God gave me common sense. That's it. I ain't never had to be no rocket science and say that common sense would get you through life just fine as it navigates you through there. And, you know, what I see today is that hip-hop is really the biggest influence in the world today. That's right. Everything is hip-like. Everything got some hip-hop in it, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, we are creating our own future, you know what I'm saying? We're still complaining, cause that's what we do. But, you know, the world is influenced by us. So it's like now that everybody watching and we're seeing this, what are we gonna do with it? You know what I'm saying? Okay, let me ask you a question. You mentioned hip-hop is like one of the biggest influence out here. Do you see more negative hip-hop going on in the culture right now, compared to more positive, motivational, you know? But what does that say about the culture? And what does that say about the music? It's saying that we taking ourselves back a hundred years and we ain't even recognizing it. But, you know, we kind of messed things up for ourselves. But it's definitely down, like, it's so dumbed down, the music is so dumbed down, everything, you know what I'm saying? And it's kind of like to take a positive role, let it is kind of corny for most people, you know what I'm saying? It's kind of the way that you got to do it, where you get these people to understand you and hear you, you know what I'm saying? So. And we've interviewed so many artists that they'll say, you know, they want a positivity, they want to share positivity. That's the reason why they're getting into this business. But they know that if they put it out the door first, they're not gonna get the audience that they wish they could get. So it's like, they're like, okay, I'm gonna do all of this, but once I got the audience tuned in, then I'm gonna switch it up and give that. But then you've been doing. And they don't switch it up. Thank you. Because it's hard to switch it up. It's hard to switch it up. Hey, switch it up now. We winning. We winning. So like, when does all of that, how can we change a narrative with anything? I feel it's still in our hands. You know what I'm saying? It's just gonna take that one, you know, just that one to get through this. I don't think it changes. And the only reason I say that is because we speak in our reality of what's happening every day, right? So when you start looking at the true picture of what's happening and you see the art that these guys paint, they're really just telling you about what our reality is. I really think that. And so as you look at that reality, as you look at Park and the people that, I know about the Park today, I'm an older cat, that created picture was therapy. Am I right? When you hear the, like you say the youngsters, they don't have the essence like they had back then. But I think even if the music changes, we still gonna hear that grime in this and that. So this is the streets. I mean, the grime is gonna be there to always be there. That's what it is. What I'm saying is that you can always talk reality and what is out here, but turn in your music, change that negative into a positive. You can still talk the truth, but it make it seem like all that happens every day is something bad. Just like we argue and say, we don't like to watch the news because it's all negative. But there are good things that are happening out here. So like, why not put both of them in there to say, okay, this is how it starts off, but it can end like this. You don't always have to end with death or somebody going to jail or whatever. Because the more you speak, like you speak your truth, you speak your reality. But if you live into that all the time, how will you ever elevate above that? I think you got like, and it's funny, I'm glad you brought it up, but the common thing, like common chance to rapper, you got these people that do bring that essence, but then you still gonna have them dudes that came from the projects. But common chance to rapper, they just saying, you know, they there, but like for instance me, you know what I'm saying? I'm enough street and enough this to get my point across and then my music is gonna speak value. So I'm at a level now that I'm doing everything that they say I can't do that. That's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna make an ass out of them. You know what I'm saying? I'm too old to do this. I'm too old. I love it. You know what I'm saying? You know I'm not rapping. I'm still like, it's about what you talking about. So, you know, I just put out, I put out eight albums this year. Eight? This year, I'm going crazy. Are you serious? It's just not February. You know what I'm saying? So if y'all look up just Eladion, all platforms. Eight albums? How the hell you put, how did you do that? I'm working, working, been working. So, you know, I lost Big Psych in 2016. Correct. And we had a whole bunch of stuff lined up that we were supposed to be doing. Didn't really get to it. You know what I'm saying? So now you're getting to it. Get into it. I got them right here. It's like this young thug life. That's it, man. Corporations, this young thug life. That's my brand. And, you know, I set it up for my son, for Rico, for cats like this to come out, you know, to bring them out. It's a platform for them. It just been slow. Yeah. You know, so I've been doing this for some years. Bro, I'm still, I'm stuck on eight albums, nigga. I can't deal with it. I'm like, man, eight albums. You know how? And I talk about like, really like a person being able to do what you do. You talk about how you do it stuff. How the, how the got out of, out of pen and tension, shout out how the, 300, he out of Texas, but he, he got like a lot of albums, man. And he got like 11 volumes in a couple of years, but eight albums in a couple of months cause you already were pre-staged. Yeah, I'm already pre-staged. I think that's what it takes. I'm going crazy this year, you know. But when you dropping stuff so frequently, cause like for me, I hate when I find an artist and I love your music and he just dropping them. And you spoiling me, really you spoiling me by giving me so much music in the beginning. Because later on, are you going to keep that up? Once those songs get, oh, are you supposed to be dropping other songs and other albums? And you know, they used to hearing that much, that quick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can you keep that up? I ain't going to hunt too, cause I'm up there in AIDS, you know what I'm saying? So I'm going to give them all, they can handle this next couple of years and I'm just going to step away from here. I'm done with it. So, you know, it might even be at the end of this year, but I'm definitely going to flood them this year. I'm giving about a hundred piece this year. How do you, how do you, are you, are you the visuals coming with it? The visuals is, the visuals is coming. Yeah, the visuals definitely. You see what I'm saying? You got to have them now. Everything is a, you know, everything is a process, you know, a lot of cats, they, they get over consumed with the everything that it takes to, you know, but you can't get to everything at once. Especially if you don't have a team. Yeah, if you don't have a team. Yeah, you ain't got to contain that kind of money. Everything costs, you know. Yeah. This music, it's a big investment. Your time and your money, and I'm going to tell you like this, if you know, you ain't got to, in you, you know, to really, cause this is one of the hardest things you can sign on for, to be. Can you make, okay, out of, out of every other career that you could do, can you, the amount of effort you put into this, is it worth it with what you get on the other end? Like even when you selling everything, you have royalties, all that, it doesn't. But it's a way how you go about it. In the beginning, no. It's not going to be worth it. You got to, got to build your name, you got to build who you are, and then you got to have some merch. You know, like out of your career, you know, my guy is sick, you know, he's $5, you know. I see your shirt. Shout out to sick. I see your shirt, I like it. Shout out to sick. It's how my guy real good doing, like next Russell Simmons, you know. He's moving in a little bit of everything. He got the backing behind him. So it is, you know, he's making some good steps. And people like that, you meet people like that, they got everything is, you know what I'm saying? It's just like a machine, man. It's rolling. You know what I'm saying? So other people, it's a hard grind, but people like that, it get a hold of you and make it a little easier for you. And it's about who you know, you know what I'm saying? And it make the rest work for you. Yeah. Do you know what I mean, man? I just, like I said, I really, you mess me up with the album because that's what I think should be happening really. Because you got to, it's so demanding and everybody wants stuff right now. And nobody's delivering like that. So for you to say that, like I've been talking this and saying this, like I listen to do Gary V, shout out Gary Vaynerchuk. And he always talking about, he met with Nipsey before Nipsey died. And it was like, man, somebody need to come out with an album, like music every week, every, and it was like, it hit for me. That's why I drop every day on Boss Talk. Because it's like, you got to give it to him. Cause, and if you know how to maneuver in the midst of this thing, you feel it, you feel to get to it. And you're going to be the, really like after this year, if you do what you say, how could you not respect it? Cause there ain't nobody else doing it. Exactly. Exactly, that's what I'm saying. Exactly. You got to respect it. They ain't gonna have no choice but to see it. Yeah. You know, and then it got to a point now, like I'm telling you, and then I'll put out singles with that, but I, you know, I'll put out eight albums, you know, 16, the better song, where actually I did a, a valet, I did a 214 and it's just 214. I got 214, it's a Valentine's Day. Valentine's Day. That's dope. Got 14 songs on there and I'll put it out. And for the ladies? A little bit earlier than Valentine's Day, I'm like, hey, I wanted to come out on that Valentine's Day. So I did a 214.2, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry, y'all too. They put it out so fast. They put it out so fast on iTunes now. I just put out a single. Literally, I wouldn't upload it, you know? And it was up in all stores the next morning. Wow. So now they just doing it in a couple hours now. I'm pushing through the distro, kid. I'm about to get a, about to get a distribution. You crazy, bro. Like you doing this all the time. Like ain't nobody doing that, man. Not that we don't know. I done interviewed 500 people. I've been interviewing dogs and all of them. A lot of them romantic with their music. See, you got to be able to hit and move to do that. You got to be able to come with it. You got to be able to let things come and go quick to be able to do and understand things quickly. Right? Yeah, for real, for real, for real. No, I like that, man. It'll be right like, you know, and then just understand it. Once you get it out there, it's out there. If it's not out there, you, chances is nobody gonna hear it. Yeah. If it's out there chance somebody could hear it, you know, you never know what happens after that. But a lot of people hold on to their music. That's right. They're talking on their music, you know what I'm saying? You know, this ain't wine. It don't get better with wine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Y'all put this out, man. Talk to me about the film and movies, man. Let's talk about that. My boy, Siky, he's in the process of, he just saw one called Pax, you know what I'm saying? And he got two that he shooting right now at the same time. I'm gonna be in that, got little parts in that, Rico got little parts in that, you know what I'm saying? Real dope, getting on the film side of it because that's what everything in. So this same outlet we gonna use for the video. That's dope. I dropped eight albums and, you know what I'm saying? We gonna do the same thing with the video. March is just gonna be. Flood. Yeah, yeah, just flood as far as, because that's what they wanna see. Man. I'm gonna say, I'm gonna be like, okay. And then you talking about something too? I mean, I'm with big Siky. Recipes Park, recipes like. Recipes Siky, man. My stuff is, I got an album called Letter to My Oldest Son. And it's just that them jewels just dropping that game from. Wow. That's where I'm at, you know what I'm saying? Like game knowledge and still I'ma talk shit, you know what I'm saying? Man, I'm gonna be jacked. So I can go, I'm for the YouTube, you out, I'm for the listening, man. Yeah, man, check me out, man. Cause I really, like I said, the way you are about the drive dog, you don't hear that. These niggas ain't working, man. And I know that. They want it, they want to really be famous. They willing to put that work in, but they want that fame. They ain't ready to put that work in, man. And the thing about it is the work is so important, they say it takes what, $20,000 to master something. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? That's what it's Google say, you know? Man, nah, you got it. Man, I'm at that, right? You know, I'm in that hours right now, you know? So, that's what it's about. Okay, we're gonna bring my other co-hosts in here. We gotta get a cameo with you and him. For the show, for the show. We come up here for the business, like we want to make a show, he might be able to say something, or ask something that I might not be, and then, you know, he love music, he rap too. So that's the, he gonna always be like, he might have something I might not have. Yeah. Come on in here, man. My boy, Money Moses, pulling up, man. Pulling up with the dump truck, man. All the information, news, you can use. He's popping in here. Save, man. So, how you liking it out here so far, Money? I'm high as fuck. How you liking it, though? It's good, it's good so far. Like the scenery's good. Yeah. It's like a time to see a different scenery. Yeah, yeah, it was. I gotta take you down on Rodeo, cause you ain't been down there yet. I didn't know where. I just gotta show it. Well, we went last night, we had, we worked though. We've been doing interviews. Oh, yeah, yeah, y'all. He said he, he, he has all these cameras and people. Yeah, interviewing. Yeah. Everything out here, especially right now this weekend, it's popping, you know, something going on everywhere. So, yeah. Bro, it's one thing I like, but I can't say I'm a cameraman, though, cause I might get you out of trouble, but I'll tell you later, though. So, so, let me ask you this. So, is it far as, you know, the two-park era, the big psych era, then you got this guy right here, man, Giuliani. Like, what do you think changed in the music? You're a younger, you're a younger version of us. So, what do you think changed in the music to where you at with it now? The meaning of music. They're just making just for fun. Like, they're just going through you and making what they doing. And you can tell. They're like, I rip it like. You can tell. Stupid. Stupid. Ain't no meaning to behind nothing. You don't have no structure, no nothing. Can't nobody tell them to put this song out, put that song out. They gonna do it just because they want to. Wow, because of the access? Yes, and it's easier to put songs out. And some of it, a lot of trash. Yeah, a lot of that, it's a lot of trash. Because they're not putting that time in, like you just said, when you writing and, like he writes, I know he write cause me and him talk, you know, and we've been together a long time. And it's like, you can tell. I'm not putting no, no, no, street stuff. I like me going and killing somebody, shooting somebody. I'm not gonna put that in the song. Cause I don't want that to be the narrative of me when you looking me. It's that. Because that's what become you when you, that's something D'Roll just told me on the interview me and him was doing. He was like, D'Roll means he was like, man, you know, when I put a song out, I try to put something out that can match my reality that I want to live because what you put out is what you become a lot of the time. Exactly. Right? Yeah, true story. You know, like me, I've changed over the years. I've been doing this and doing this and doing this and you can tell in my music. And that's dope. I got an album out called Fast Food. That's the good part about it. Fast Food? Fast Food, it's a, it's a, it's a, pretty much it's a pimping album. Oh, Fast Forward? Yeah, it's Fast Forward. It's the name of it. It's Fast Forward. I was, I was, I was on my thing at the time, you know what I'm saying? And that's what, that's what produced that album. So yeah. Outlaws, the ones that we used to be with pop. One of them died, didn't it? A few of them died. Outlaws were signed up, everybody. It got all kind of outlaws running around here. But the main ones was, you know, Edie Castro, Noble. Yeah, the one John Brown on Ed's song. That's my guy Napoleon. He Muhtah, he Muslim now. Okay. Napoleon and Edie still out here. They're there, they're around. I don't really fuck with the outlaws, you know. You don't mess with them. It's the big side. Big side, yeah. You don't really fuck with them when he passed. Okay. Some stuff went on with Poc's mom, you know what I'm saying? And that movie, that movie they put out about Poc, you know what I'm saying? That last one. She didn't agree with it. You know, after she passed, they got that clear. So everybody that was loyal to Poc and that woman, wasn't in the movie. You didn't see my premium in there. Yeah. You didn't see Big Sike, you know, take part of this. You know, some people stood solid with that, but them niggas, they agreed. And then they played theyself in the movie. Not only that, they, you know, you got these old ass outlaws, cause they, you know, they played theyself. I remember this to be young Poc. This, you know, so it is what it is, but I don't fuck with them at all. Yeah. I'm hopeful about it. I thought they can get money out of Poc moving. I thought they can get money out of Poc moving. That's probably what it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you know, it's like selling your soul. You stay loyal to what you roll with. You know what I'm saying? Like I've been rocking with these folks for 21 years, man. I ain't, it is what it is. Not for to play that game. Yeah, I ain't gonna play that game. We all rode off the road together. We gonna drive through the finish line together, you know. That's dope, man. That you stay loyal, cause it's so, it ain't hard to do. It's really a, it's in you to do it. Right? It ain't hard to do. It's in you to do it. It's kind of hard to me to flip sides. That's right. It's like, that's harder than you did. Now you over here, right? I don't even feel right, you know, so. No, man. So top three artists of all time, we do this segment where we ask you to top three artists dead or alive of all times. Any genre, too. Top three, number one. For me. Yeah, your top three from what you feel would be the number one and number two and number three artists of all time, dead or alive. Dead or alive. Number one artist for me is Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson, we get that one. That was one. That's one of the ones. That's one of the ones. Jackson, I, you know, I caught a little bit of that. I grew up in the 80s, so I seen when Michael came out there and broke away from his brother and did that. Did it same? Yeah. The most epic performances ever. You know what I'm saying? Come on, man. You talking about Motown 25, baby. It's the most epic, so. I seen that. Then I seen, I seen Pac take the world. Number two. You know, yeah. Pac number two. These guys, you know, they go to college and can take a part course and get credits for that. That's amazing. That's dope, man. That's amazing. So the stuff that he done and just a mystery. Mystery of everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Number three. Number three. And, you know, I can feel how they wanna feel about it. I don't care. I'm gonna go with me. I'm gonna go with you. Hey, I like it. Jelani number three. I'm my own. We get that. I'm my own. Yeah, that's your top three. I feel like that I got a thing is I'm called everybody's top five. So I'm not pushing. That's gonna be my doc. But I'm gonna shoot everybody's top five. It's gonna show you 20 years of music. How I switched up with the times. I'm still relevant right now today. You know what I'm saying? It came out 20 years ago and ain't nobody that is rapping, that's been rapping, you know, this long except Wayne or, you know, these niggas have, but ain't nobody, you know, that was up here at our level then lasted this long and could last this long. And, you know, really have to switch your music up because music didn't change, man. A lot. It didn't change so much. And to be able to keep up with the times is amazing in itself. You know? Me. So let me, okay. So you already, he said he had nine albums or eight. Eight. Eight albums. He said eight quick. What do you think about that? In two months, right? Two months. You see what this money is. What you think about that? I mean, so you can tell you're working. Like, so you ain't never heard nothing about it. I ain't never heard that. How long have you been here? Well, some, like some of it out of one year, but it's not even, some of them ain't even doing it though. But this is- So it's like eight in two months, it's like, it ain't moving. It ain't moving. Like you can tell the work you're putting into it. And you know what that takes me in that you got a studio at the house. Yeah, but it's like, it's work. It's work. It's work. It's work. And like I say, I've been, I just been recording, recording, recording, stacking up, you know what I'm saying? And I had a few times when I was supposed to put this stuff out and I didn't. And so now it's just past due. So, you know- But that's a bold statement. Everything must go now, you know what I'm saying? I'm stay working. So I got, I got projects just, you know, everything on schedule. Yeah. I mean, I'm busting through here this year. I love it, man. I'm going to be tuned in. I'm tapping in. You just text me. So I'm going to be calling and be like, how many we had now? I want to know where we at with it, man. That's a lot. That's a lot of money. Man, in two months? What? I'm not in the 81 year. See, that's a dope bro. I'm not in the 81 year. But he's saying that he been doing it so long, he had stuff in the chamber. He had one in the chamber. I can't stand it. I'm not going to put 81 year. That's a lot, man. A lot. And then you got to back that up. Meaning, not do it again, but I'm meaning, you got to have some visuals to come out with it and all that stuff. Yeah, visuals and paint to picture. Paint to picture. That's the main part, you know? Because like I said, I put out, and then it's good music, too. It's good music. I ain't just saying putting out, well, I'm putting out good music to where a lot of people wouldn't do that. You know what I'm saying? But it's going to be there. So if you don't catch it now, when you catch it by the end of the year and that's still going to be there, you're going to be able to go back and get there. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I needed to be out there. I don't need to be here. Yeah. I don't need to tell them what's going to happen to you. You know what I'm saying? Man, you sound like me now. Big site, man. I know that was tough on you losing him in 2016. But the thing I want to ask you is like, when you're processing the music, how much do it weigh in on you, how he would feel about something that you're creating? You see where I'm coming from? It's dope, right? That's my, he was my biggest fan. You know what I'm saying? He gave me all the, that I need to be where I'm at and to keep going because he believed in me. Yeah. And if you got somebody to believe in you like that, I mean, he passed in 2016. If you got that man's Instagram right now, you're going to see Nundable Pot and Dev Roll stuff and a bunch of little pictures that he put up there with quotes. And then you're going to see me all over his page. Like, who is this dude? The word when he passed, I got the Ems from everywhere, from everybody, you know? Tending they condolences and what's going on. It was a lot of respect to where I seen how much love he had from me, from that, you know what I'm saying? Man, went and perform at his funeral and the whole night. But, you know, it was my mentor and my best friend. So I would go to the studio and say something, call him and he was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was always, you know. That's why I asked you that question because that's something I asked Mr. Lee about making Pimp Seeds, like albums after he had passed and making blue laces for like Nipsey Hustle how is that process in the studio after that person's gone and you still hear their voice and you still having to tackle those actions without their input, but then getting the approval of their family members or somebody that may be connected to them and knowing how they would feel about it because you work closer to them than they family even did. Because you're with him more than anybody, you know what I'm saying? So now for them to say, oh no, just because you was his brother or cousin or something, nigga, you don't know. I'm gonna tell you, I would really, if I was on that side having it, I'd be like, nigga, you know what he would say. You know what I'm saying? You know what he would do. And then I got a bunch of big same music. That's what I thought. You know what I'm saying? I got a project he did, The Last Thug Standing and it's like a 16 album thing with videos to each thing. Just gotta be the right situation to even push that out. Had this conversation. That's dope. You know, it's just timing. Timing. Everything a processing. Man, if you think it's gonna happen over the night, it might happen over the night, but just after some years of working at it, you know what I'm saying? And everything happened over the night. But man, after some years, putting your energy into it. So that's it. I think it'll grow just because you got like 16 different videos of him. The vision was like, it's gonna grow real fast, real fast. Yeah, I love to see that. Yeah, I like to say, we appreciate your time, man. You just sit down with us, man, and give us your time like that and show us the respect. We come in your place, man. It's love, bro. Like I said. Man, I appreciate what y'all doing because, you know, it's because of y'all, there is us without being able to have this voice and sit down with somebody and really tell them that, you know, your story. You know what I'm saying? And you ain't gonna be heard. You see everybody with you. I watched interviews from years ago. You know what I'm saying? I'm seeing cats get these interviews with it's the other people on the other side of cameras and making everything happen. So y'all appreciate it too. And thank you. People out there, y'all, y'all, you know. Tapping the boss talk, man. Boss talk on the one, man, stop. What a boss is talk, man. Y'all in LA right now. All the way in LA right now, man. My boy Julianne is in the building, man. It's going down, man. Say so, man, all I want to tell you is I always say I love you, bro. You a brother, man. You look like me. So I got to say that. I ain't gonna never, because if something happened to me, you just said something earlier that that's the way I think. You know what I'm saying? I always take an opportunity to say what you got to say. You know, I love God. So I'm always trying to put God first and I'm trying to tell people when we talk, hey, man, something ever with me, man. No, hey, man, that dude was a good dude. He love God. You know what I'm saying? Hey, I rock these. I ain't real fancy, but these are my wrists. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm saying I got them in different colors. Okay. It's a hashtag game. Yeah, yeah, I see that. It's an acronym. You turn it on the other side, flip it. It's there for God. It's all I need. Hey, man, that's dope, bro. It's the biggest thing. Everybody say God is all I need. Yeah, yeah, God is all I need. That's all I need, man. That's my, that's my love. That's yours? Man, that's dope. How'd you come up with that? Man, I was sitting, this last time I was locked up, I been, you know, went to prison three times. This last time I was doing three years and, you know, God gave it to me. I'm sitting in a cell, rallying my head. It's like when he gave me this music thing and when I got out, I had 66 songs. Man. My dad told me I need to write another song, 66, a bad number. And I remember I just telling somebody a little story about my past and he's like, you know, I'm gonna even look sir in the Bible. 66. 66. You know, so it's certain things that God let me know I was on the right path. And, you know, he always, you know, give me something and he gave me this last time. God is all I need, man. You done made my day, man. That's that game, man. I'm gonna put that on the shirt, man. Man, that's what I'm gonna say. I'm all right, but yeah, gotta do it, man. That's dope, man. Say thank you so much for your time, man. How can people get older if they tell me to reach out to you? Man, I'm just a Loni official on Instagram and just a Loni everywhere else, you know, Gmail, Yahoo, YouTube, Google, it's branded, just a Loni. Check it, man. I'm not that guy. Hey, man, thank you so much, man. It's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101. What a boss it's talking about. Shout out Club Six. Shout out Club Six, that's where we at right now.