 Good afternoon. I'm honored to be here and to be able to contribute some of the historical relevance of the artwork and how it intersects with the politics of the Black Panther Party and some of the more recent work I've done as well as some of the travels that have been connected to the past and present work. First I want to show a five about a seven minute video done by AIG, the American Institute of Graphic Arts, when they gave me a lifetime award. That came about through the chapters of young people who would invite me to come and do presentations and they were the ones who nominated me for the award. Not the governing body itself but it was the young people who with different chapters out here in different areas well have invited me to talk about the historical work and the politics behind it. Now I'm going to start the PowerPoint presentation. Some of it has a little bit to with the materials that were used during that time to show you give you an idea how the publications were put together the materials that I used during that time. So I'm going to let me see if I can bring it up myself here. Okay this is the book we used to use the format materials. It's a product that when you see the artwork and you see the textures in the black and white images that was how we got the I got the depth in the art as for just a black and white line artwork because of it was economical and there was an easy way a more convenient way of making the contrast without going through the whole pre-press process to get to that point you could do it and you have your art ready for camera ready so when it went to press and this was the book we used unfortunately next time I'm going to put the other books in there but this was one we use because it was the cheapest but it was also the best because the fact that it was had the line under it where you could apply your art which I'll show you and you could cut out each leather some of those sheets you had to rub them off if you rub them off too hard they could crack or to peel up those kinds of things this is the best and most sturdiest one these sheets used to cost I think about $1.50 others cost $2.50 or $3.50 depending on what what company you got them from but this was the cover of that book itself this is the insight showing you different fonts and types text you could use in the context of your headlines and next to it you may see a little number of a page number and so you just go to that page when you went to that page you can see the top the fonts and it gives you the exercise of those that you were want to use you give the the vendor that number they go through the file and they pull out that sheet for you with that with that whole sheet for you and it would have the it would have the alphabets on it like that a full page this is this is one I had left over from I worked at the black press and from some I had left over also when I went to city college so that's not a book and so you see them there and you cut them out to make up your words and show you example of that and this is the book as you see in the centerfold of different textures and different patterns the same thing you choose the code underneath the page you want other sheets you want then you there you give that to the vendor there go and they would pull up a sheet this shows you example of that and here's the body be the code number for this sheet that was on that page but this is from a lecture tone this is not from lecture set this is another one that somebody pilot gave me and I just kept it but here is give you a sample of using of making your words together from those sheets and then you all you have to do once you make it you can cut this out and you can paste it wherever you want it on your on your art so this is how we were in the initial days most of the headlines in the paper basically maybe two or three or four or five issues of the paper and and some of the art that you see here I also did community graphics for the community and for friends of mine I had to put together using that again they tight and sometimes I could get stuff tight set but I had to cut pasted in places a friend of mine who sold the different products here gave me copies as your copies of the materials and I had to illustrate them I had to do the ink drawings then put the whole thing together so these are illustrations that I did of the actual products used to sell at the Berkeley free market many years ago here's a cover of a friend of mine who also who was on to this guy AJ Rogi was West Africa who was a well-known palm wine singer and he wanted me to do the design for the album cover and back so he just gave me the photographs and the text and I had to put it together so but if people ask me I'm retired I don't do that no too much stress deadline only my deadlines I can put them down come back to him a year later but obviously have to do it right this was a friend of mine also had a beauty shop and wanted me to do the announcement for this sale that they were having and whatever you and so he had the same thing all this is to cut out them patterns always come from the sheets and you you know which act while you big figure how to put it together this is the illustration I had to do to go with this photograph so and the whole thing so you use the design elements and concept as well he was a friend of mine who also had a contract with the post office where she did mailing bulk mailing contract agreement and she was celebrating her first anniversary and she wanted me to design the idea to design the logo did the whole thing again use the same thing illustrations all this combination went into putting this together as well so these are just some of the also the work that I did but also we had a community printing graphic service that did the same things in connection with the community as well as in the party so now I go into the panther and I talked earlier in the presentation about where the symbol of the panther came from the south and in 1965 when the voters right act was passed and Lounds County Alabama you had a county that was about 80,000 predominantly black African American about 20,000 were white but you had these race at the bow corners and them who ran the county who intimidated threat the workers who blacks who work for them as sharecroppers and what have you then you had snick students with an unbounded coordinating committee and those who went to south to Lounds County to enlighten and educate those about the blacks folks there about their voting rights they didn't want to be a part of the Democratic Party nor did they want to be a part of the river cup looking party so they started to Lounds County Lounds County organization I think Lounds County Freedom Department yeah Lounds County Freedom Organization and they had to have an icon just like the Rooster here that was that was for the races which was the Democratic Party and it had to and the Rooster stood for white supremacy and so they chose the panther and how they came about choosing the panther is that they went to the seniors high school sports teams what had different animals as their mascots and they chose the one that had the panther so the panther symbol comes from the south doing the civil rights movement and we got permission early on after a second third paper because of respect that we had for snick and what they were doing to use the panther and we used it and then remixed it redesigned it because this one was too too too healthy so we made ours a little more punier thinner and what have you and over the years this is the actual photograph in Lounds County vote November 8th pull the lever for black panther and go home so there's a whole publication that was out on that at that time as well so now going to call it some American history here is the more recent image that I've designed a black panther image itself more recent one I do have images for sale don't have them with me but if people are interested you can contact me and get in touch with me because I do do sell prints all from time to time so that's just started off with some of these images I will talk about some of my just phase over and that and that and that way but I'll give you some history behind many of them I chose this one because of the pig icon this was the first pig image that I was given to draw when we used to work on the paper the eldest cleaver's house studio apartment he and Bobby would come over from Oakland and we would talk in politics and they was talking about the pig and what have you and so they gave me this image this clip art which I touched up and refined as the first pig each week we were going to put the badge number of the pig that was harassing and intimidating people in the community on that pig drawing and so what what I did after that I kind of give some thought to it I was just at home and I thought about it and I said what I'm gonna send it up on two hoofs keep the snort the tail and begin to put the bandolier around it had a badge and on it and the flies around it and that became the icon of the pig what is the pig why the pig well the pig was the pig in relationship to how Huey and Bobby had defined it was a low as you see in this statement here a low-natured beast that has no regard for law justice or the right of people a creature that bites the hand that feeds it a foul-to-pray traducer usually found masquerading as the victim of an unprovoked attack but also a pig in American culture as you observe it is wallowing to filth the dirt and all those things so in that context it was meant in that way as well of course we understood that in other cultures is it was a survival food and what have you but in the context of us and what we were talking about this is how we visualized it it was visualized this year is our image that began to spark our call for community control lease in this country which had never been done before this was when little Bobby Hutton the very first panther was murdered April I think April 6th 1968 I would think it was four days after Dr. Martin Luther King had been murdered in Memphis, Tennessee two days then we begin to call for community control of police we work with the Oakland progressive board of board of supervisors I believe it was in regards to getting it on the ballot at that time and when it went to vote it only lost by one vote but it brought attention to the need for an oversight board but one that was not controlled by the police but by the community that would be one that would make it relevant and so what you hear today in what you have been hearing maybe for the past 10 15 years or whatever this was an inspired by the Black Panther Party. What was the significance of little Bobby Hutton why is he such a symbol of the Black Panther Party? Bobby Hutton was because he was the very first panther he was mentored by Hugh and Bobby before he even got into the Black Panther Party but when he joined the Black Panther Party I think about 15 15 and a half they had to go get permission from his mother for him to join the Black Panther Party and she agreed and gave him gave them him gave permission for him to become a member of the Black Panther Party and he was the very first panther killed by the police thought by the state. He was the treasurer too right? Yes he was the first treasurer of the Black Panther Party as less. Here's one this is 1968 1968 there's a lot of documentary a lot of film a lot of exhibitions that have been done around that history in that period in 1968 and because of the many rebellions if you look historically they were over 200 300 rebellions in this country all across the country in 1968 I used the word KKK which I didn't create but I thought it was relevant to use that in the context of using the word America and with this art and this is talking about in regards to the rebellions and the police abuse murders that were taking place in the country and the response to that in many ways it says nowhere nowhere to run nowhere to hide it's hell outside it's hell inside so this indicates that here's another one where we begin to coin the word particularly elges using the biblical word Babylon to describe America and in 1968 you had I did illustrations with a clip art of the Pentagon with the pig standing in the middle of the Pentagon ready for overkill missiles between the toes blood sucking vulture with dollar signs on the butt of the gun on sides got the pig with dollar sign on his glasses drew money drooling out of his mouth hang grenades lynch rope all those things but in 1968 and New Haven Connecticut that's when Bobby Seale and Erica Huggins were were set up and framed for the the murder of a Black Panther which they were eventually exonerated of and the Asia provocateurs were found guilty and and and Connecticut you had that was in Connecticut and Kent Ohio at Kent State University you had four white students who were shot and murdered by the National Guard for protesting against the war in Vietnam you had Jackson Mississippi you had different Augusta Georgia Rutgers many universities where black students were there were actual battles and some gun confrontations on on those kind campuses during that period you also had the war in Vietnam the coke things going on in Cambodia Laos and the struggle of the Palestinians all these and more were taking place in 1968 yes what was the importance of why you connected local politics national politics and international politics because we were internationalists and in essence our scope was broader than just the Black Panther Party paper always had an international section in the middle of it and dealing with international issues and support of other oppressed people struggles around the world and so that was in the context of the Black Panther Party's outlook political outlook again 1968 that was when John Carlos and Tommy Smith went to the Olympics and gave the the Black Power salute there were many discussions a lot of people don't worry about in the community where before that where they had came and there were discussions I didn't go to some but some pathos were involved some students from San Francisco State others were involved and what they could do when they went the Olympics could do when they went to the Olympics in regards to expressing their concerns about the human rights violations against the African-American community there they wanted to come to an agreement a consensus so when they went different Olympians did different things that's what Tommy Smith and John Carlos when they went there gave the Black Power sign in 1982 the struggle continued with with the at the Olympics you had Vince Matthew and Wayne Colette and they call it ignored the tradition at Munich Olympic when they won the race they stood on the podium and they didn't give a salute that he put the hand over the heart they just stood there one was barefooted and the whole bed and hands on the hip this is in defiance of your relationship at the Olympics this is the back page of that particular paper where it says the IDs and them both standing there the whole bit this is one I did after that called the Olympics and they got the runners on the ground running the race they come to the line they stand up on the podium to hold up the flag and when it's over a nigger is a nigger no matter what you achieve as a person of color black when you go back to home you're still going to be profile whether your doctor your lawyer on the street is your black you're gonna be profile and the fact of that is just this recent mayor who's the mayor of New York who made their agreement to discontinue the program in New York where they had over 600,000 blacks and brown people who had been profiled over many many years stopped and searched for no other reason but because of color they skin and thereafter when they did and I think some kind of investigative report they found out that less than 1% of those who blacks who were stopped brown black who was stopped had anything of contraband 45% of the whites who they didn't stop had contraband this is again in the early days showing our internationalism the illustration of the pig being choked saying get out of the ghetto get out of Africa get out of Asia get out of Latin America US imperialism here again into it's all the same local police national guards Marines today it all comes under Homeland Security I mean and that it's under it's military lies we talked about it then but Ferguson brought it to the attention of the world today in relationship to when they brought in all that military equipment into Ferguson after they had murdered the local police had murdered the young brother there and now as everybody many of you may know me you may not know all the local police departments all across the country is having access to all this military equipment that they're buying up in the community in the Polish departments haha I've got all American peace that's a little missile going into the globe the world globe and you got Henry Kissinger who was then the secretary of state and Richard Nixon who was the president what criminal then what was what was the can you go back to that last one what was going on at that time for especially us that's young this again in the relationship to the wars that were going on all over the world and the third world and the this is what this represented that I'm saying which were some of the war is Vietnam Vietnam was that was the and you had Cambodia Laos kind of covert war going on in Laos where they slot bomb just slaughtered a lot of Laotians during that time yeah you still have and you had to struggle at Palestinians you had to liberation struggles in Africa still going on this one this then we create a little rat as a avaricious greedy business person and otherwise as an icon and here you had it winding up this little toys military toys sitting them off the war they went to war around I realized they fighting their own government and they came back and many of them joined the Black Panther Party you hear a lot of ex-Vietnam veterans who joined the Black Panther Party can you name some just for reference yeah John Geronimo Giaga Pratt who was in prison for a crime he did not commit for over 27 years and we were able to get him out and who recently died about eight nine ten years ago was one of those who was a member of the Black Panther Party there were many many others who came in and joined the Black Panther Party and we used to use the GI loans to buy houses so the comrades can live and here's one talking about peace with honor with those who refused to go there were those who went to be who went in exile those who went to prison those who went underground and some were not left out the country and this was called peace with honor yes artistically speaking where did you get the style who are you looking at artistically and technically to come up with the style and the colorings for particular pictures well I came from my own style in the context of the way I had illustrated and developed my illustration and some of these styles I used as when I was the city college it took up commercial art but commercial art is one that prepares you for a job in the job market and when I used to do these styles they said well they're not commercial enough to use in your portfolio so I had to put them to the side and come back to them when I got politically involved and so so that's with something that was always there just something I developed yeah but to put understanding the production aspect of how to put it together how to apply it came from the experience and the the met the training that I had at city college but also it came from working in small print shops because when you work in small print shops they too have to get they too get contract jobs the same as the high-end print shops do with all the equipment but the high but the small shops don't have a lot of that equipment but they know how to manipulate the equipment they have to get the results so you learn how to cut corners and deal with things with less in that context so that also was a good part of my experience of the visualizing and being to see how to get things done here again is showing what war does the human beings the psychological impact of war and families the substance is all that's called US government approved today what you still have about two veterans a day committing suicide you go out in the streets a lot of homeless out there of vets yes how much latitude did Huey Bobby and Eldridge give you how much of an idea that they give you before you drew it because I mean the images are so rich with with politics I would well I was a reflection of the politics and inspired by what we were involved in but I had the green light to do whatever I want to do it was early on that they used to check to make sure I understood the politics when they seen understood the politics I could do whatever I chose to do except for maybe a handful of times they had asked me to do a pacific illustration or something but what would be an example of what they say we need a graphic for this how would they come at you oh no they wouldn't ask they just let me do and every week I just had a lot to just do it that was it and no no no no no enter no no concern about what it was I did but just let me I just had the green light to be creative here's one sentence free the GIs our fight is not in Vietnam GI that the Vietnamese was the cause of unemployment the Vietnamese was the cause of inferior education the Vietnamese was the cause of indecent housing the Vietnamese weren't lichinous our fight was not in Vietnam our fight was right here in the US here's that same paper when we shared it with the Bastiae Bastiae La Sieta de la Rasa which was a seven young San Francisco Latino brothers who were charged with the murder of a San Francisco policeman and they had no way to plead their case so we were able to get them a lawyer that we had at that time Charles Gary well known lawyer was it to defend them we also shared our paper with them to talk so they could plead their case we did about four or five papers with them and eventually they were found not guilty of killing the San Francisco policemen but can you imagine they would have been in prison to death or in the gas chamber whether they not had no because they didn't have any resources and they would not have had the assistance or help come from the Black Panther Party what year was this this was what year is that paper no yes 72 by 72 run there run that time yes it could have been a little early about 70 72 this paper but I thank you I'll remember that next time here's this one of the second papers of that that we put together with with La Sieta seven here's a image I did is US imperialist nursing all his little piglets and all his little piglets who are directly involved or involved in the colonization of other people in the world what was the importance of political education I mean we see we see it in the pictures but how did the Black Panther Party look at international education and their members knowing what was going on in current events well it was based on our solidarity in our practice that was important because it gave you a world view and it gave informed the community who had mayor and very narrow not narrow limited perspective because of the daily concerns that they were confronted with and not looking at the broader scope of what's going on in the world so when the community was inspired and looked to us to get another perspective on what was going on in the world we could share this information to give them insight in a broader perspective that was the important of the political education in the context of the community but it was also important in in the context of the Black Panther Party itself so that we would all be consistent in understanding where our position was on political issues in the world all political education would would would share that because we had required to read the paper and sometime discuss some of the issues that were in the paper as well as a part of the political education class now that means that everybody was maybe on the same level but we everybody would able to get something from it in the context of what we as an organization were expressing here again is one is dealing with design is purpose the state of Israel the US imperialist of the apartheid system today apartheid Israel the government itself where you have the US speeding dollar bills today what 30 over 38.5 billion dollars given to Israel just for the purpose of buying military equipment and that they cannot buy and they made agreement that they cannot buy from anybody else but them if they given that money also the Saudis what they get what a 20 million 20 billion I'm sorry I'm talking about million billions of dollars so and when we look at that we're looking at it in the context of what today this is a military economy that we live in under 66 over 60% is of a military so and we wonder why we there's no jobs you wonder why we have high employment boycott lettuce this is one day Cesar Chavez and the United Farm Workers they were on their way to Sacramento and they were protesting against the chemicals that were being sprayed on the lettuce in the field that were harming the farm workers and we heard them out in front of our headquarters and we heard and what out there there was Cesar Chavez with the other farm workers and we asked them what was going on and they explained what I just mentioned but they said they were hungry needed a place to eat so we worked it out so we could take them to our school which is about 30 blocks from my headquarters then which was on 85th and international way which was called East 14th Street then to around 60th and international way and we marched with them there in our school and we were able to feed them the 50 farm workers and to show our solidarity they after the next paper created this design it has some photographs in it to show our solidarity with that particular issue that they wish. Yes. How did the Black Panther Party see itself benefiting from solidarity and principle unity rather than racial chauvinism? Say it again. How did the Black Panther Party see itself benefiting politically from solidarity and principle unity rather than racial chauvinism? Well we're educating the whole community we're showing everybody this the reality you know and the world's interconnected and everybody's interconnected you know it's about class struggle but it's also about race but we're trying to show the community in relationship to other that the people are pressed other ethnic groups and people are pressed in this country as well and in the context of how the Black Panther Party showed our solidarity around those issues. Yeah. This is one called point number one of the points of the 10 corn platform program we want decent housing fit for the shelter of human beings here you got the mother protecting a baby from the rodents and the rodents are coming around sneaking up and attacking the baby it was meant to be a provocative and to bring attention to that issue but at the same time when you do these kinds of images sometimes you have to have a you can't just as an illustrator you can't just illustrate it but you have to be able to feel it so that you can get to feel into the lines in the artwork that you're doing so you just can't sit down just you have to be able to feel this what's going on you have to be able to feel how the how she feels what she's trying to do or what's going on and you'll see that even more in some of the other images as well. Did you did you choose color like how did you use color in particular the color expressed different feelings. Well what happened is that they had a we had a list of colors that the printer had and because we want the paper to look different each week we use a different color each week and then we cycle those then we come back again to those colors so that's the way we usually ran it and that's just one color but it's again is learning understanding how you give it a contrast to make it look full or more than one color and that's using tints of the color overlaying and in the tints and contrast that's just one color it's just in there it's over overlay different screen tints and stuff and so when you visualize you have to be able to visualize it then you can play with on the computer now and do those things but you had to be able to visualize in advance what it was going to look like and then sometimes it didn't come out pretty and but and then you learn from that and then you move forward. Here's gonna say whatever's good for the person has got to be bad for us this is when the first unmanned space adventures what they were going into and you have to we've been this is like playing the devil's advocate and and and the reality of what could possibly be at if they were ever to get a colonized in-space masses of people to go up there what would it be like and so this is the pig spaceship and you got the pig out on the deck say hey handle them slaves with care we're gonna need them for Mars Pluto and all those other planets then you got to pick the slaves get knocked play slave ship and they saying I knew we should have stopped this ship before it got off the ground and then you got this slave pig over here master over here saying hey handle slaves with care we're gonna need them for Mars Pluto and all those other planets so and then it just so happened one evening though I was looking at the news and it had this guy I'm talking about space and it came to the question of housing in space and they said they were already visualizing the possibility of housing and possibility housing prisoners and all this stuff in space so you got to understand it that this mindset is not just about kindness and humanitarian humanitarian kind of thing when you talk about space you know it's other possibilities that you have to look at you know in relationship to what might be you may see when they be able to colonize folks in space what have you what was the panthers mindset towards profanity in the paper so again profanity oh well in the beginning there was profanity but then when Huey was in prison and then somebody took the paper to Huey because it was an article that and people were talking about and he would say well he didn't say don't do it he said well Malcolm X never used profanity and he got his message across so that made it clear then that that was the one he wanted in the paper here again is a one that we did after that like when you had blacks move into a community and you had white flight that moved out this is like when they quite went up onto the moon and they got there and they said oh white sonar at last the races just saved the children was that in the paper yes this was in the paper mm-hmm this was a wash with a pen and graphite pencil a combination of wash graphite pencil a little pen penny and integrated together how much time did you put into these portraits that were in the paper well sometime I could when I had time and I had a cadre working with me then I could focus and I could do it maybe a day day and a half depends on what it was or less depending on what it was yeah how much time did it take for to you got for you guys to lay out the paper period well you had to have to prove you have first you had to kind of articles come in they had to be approved and they had to be the type setting and all that stuff so take about we maybe started on if a paper came out on Wednesday we maybe started on a third the following week Friday or Saturday after all the materials that got together the prepressed up for camera work for the photography and stuff that had to go into the paper so you talk about an intense period of maybe four or five days and then understanding that as we evolved well when it first started off it took us days and weeks to get the paper out it maybe didn't come out on time maybe some of the articles said continue here but when you went there they weren't now so you had all that in the in the early early early papers but then we began to critique and evaluate and we had to get it right and so we had great better proofreading all those things and it became consistently right on time with the continuations in the correct places all those things yeah and so we have a schedule that we had to get out because not only did comrades have to work on the paper when they finished working on paper had to go do other work in other areas as well this again save the children I mean these images here can be anywhere in the world today here again is one but this one here you can see how I used those prefabricated materials get the wood feeling and the pattern feelings in the back and the tones on on the figure because this was just an ink drawing black and white ink drawing and integrated with all those things and to get that feeling to it but also I didn't play with in the context of scale I did things on how you feel how they felt a broom don't come up to your knee like that you may have a rat that big but you know this is when we this is one was when we were going to the call public housing USA this is when we were going to through the Oakland City Council meetings and talking about and we're working in the housing projects and working with the community and we were and so therefore these are some of the concerns that I heard and based on the illustration of photographs that we're able to take our rave to interpret those photographs would count with text and pull text and write text based on what they what it was about and can I use your your mic for a minute so I can walk over here because here what it says it says public housing USA story by the people illustrations by Emory Douglas hello public housing authority this is a tenet of your slum house slum housing calling you again I have rats and roaches in my apartment it needs extermination effective extermination I have a stopped up toilet and leaky sink my house hasn't seen paint at my house has been painted in years we need more garbage pickup my children have no place to play stairs that need repair our hazard to our health stop the police harassment years past nothing happens action to be continued so this was based on the based on the concerns of the community and then you write out a storyboard and try to write it and didn't eliminate some of the wording to get it simple enough to go with the illustrations and what happened and this was a three-part series that we did here again as Richard Nixon when I think he had a captain black captain member and I think they coined the word black capitalism and said if they Nixon and then we're calling black capitalism it ain't worth nothing and and so that's what this illustration come by if you cap chop down US imperialism black house ain't nothing but a weed and tree gonna fall right over that this is one that's showing fatherly love and determination to young youngster here again is another one and I think it says Alabama Georgia Louisiana Mississippi California Chicago New York America freedom is a constant struggle this is a photo collage used to look through a lot of books and have recall when sometimes I want to do something I could know where to pull from the images to get the message across here gives one is justice when I when I get to the new ones you will see a remix of this one and a few others this one says freedom I just want to testify I'm not gonna sit around any longer I got freedom on my mind that's what it says now when you buy the borders you could also buy these decorative borders for certificates and all these kinds of things well I use them for whatever I chose to that's what I'll you know I never some of them tell you to use them for words and this I use them you use them however you get the message across and what it feels like in your heart in the message as well we shall survive without a doubt these are young Panther Cubs but they're in the 40s now where did you get that I mean I think that the background is so iconic and so I was kind of from the heart I seen that came out of China and Vietnam during that time it was inspired so I tried not to duplicate it but but was inspired by it and created my own mix of how how to do the raise and what have you and some of the art yeah vote for survival people's free food program here's one vote for Shirley Schism and a vote for survival Shirley Schism was a black woman who ran for president here were Clinton and the first woman run for president Shirley Schism was the first woman to run for chair for president and and they tried to deny her the right saying that she was taking votes away from everybody else but we supported her we had rallies for her she came out here and we had rallies for over the film open one of those parks and what have you when she came out here doing her campaign she was slogan was unsold and unbought something like that yeah how would you compare the politics of Shirley Schism to say the politics of Barack Obama would you think do you think that the Black Panther Party would have supported a Barack Obama and if not then why did you guys support Shirley Schism well we sure we didn't think Shirley Schism was gonna transform the system but we thought she was the better person at the time from what we at computer Caitlyn with her and what have you when we knew a history of her knowing Barack Obama we wouldn't have supported Barack Obama because I can tell you the history of Barack Obama from the standpoint of Bobby Rush who was the who was the assist who was the deputy minister of defense in Chicago behind Fred Hampton when Fred Hampton was murdered he they was after the murder him but he was protected from not being murdered when Bobby Rush became ran for congressman of the state of Chicago in Chicago he ran he won but when Obama ran the first time for congressman they put him up to unseat Bobby Rush regret the one who everybody in the community loved and he lost that race that's when he ran again and came to senator so we know the history of Barack Obama now now understanding at the same time we look at it in the context here's a black man who is the puppet of the system that he serves but at the same time he's still confronted with the same racism that everybody ever ever the black person is confronted with it regardless of that in that context you look at it that context but when you look at it from the context of he's a walk room just like the rest of him he's doing their work he who he he also push more people out of the United States as immigrants than any other president and he had when you see this up so I want to talk about it when I get to the other image he also get what the one with drone warfare he's the one who created drone warfare well you kill what pill you guys you make we talked about killing the terrorists but you killing seven eight nine ten innocent people and then when you got people come in to help them they kill more innocent people and then you wonder why we got all these so-called terrorists and where these people that got families as murdered and slaughtered then you got the context of the Nobel Prize well I'll talk about that later so all power to the people this is the survival programs that we had what was the significance of children in your work we see a lot of people under the age of ten in your work well the children were a part we had our own school we had school and we had a lot of close association with the young people we understood the young people were the ones who are going to be the next leaders of the of the of the of the next generation to move forward in relationship to the challenges that we're confronted with as human beings and so yeah and so they were integral part of the learning process there's a film that was put out on the Oakland community school was a very powerful film done in in 19 I believe 19 early 1970s when Levert the guy who played in roots did a thing on all terms of schools they did one on the Black Panther Party School which is a very powerful documentary which I can try to get to library to see it where they interviewed the kids at the Black Panther Party had the kids at the Black Panther Party interview and Huey Newton and the young lady who interviewed Huey Newton was the young lady who went on to play Bernie Max White in the Bernie Max show she graduated from our school this is our sickle cell anemia when we took up the struggle of when we found out that sickle cell anemia was a predominant impact to the African-American community in this country and that there was nothing being done about it we began to we began to get doctors and those to assist us and we did over a hundred thousand free tests across the country on sickle cell anemia we had a Panther who was in the party from Dallas Texas who wrote a book and he wrote about how ill he was all his life never knew what it was doctors couldn't tell he didn't know what it was and doctors he who he went to couldn't tell him what it was until he got in the pattern he took to be pricked him for the test for the blood for sickle cell anemia and he found out that's why he was sick because he had the sickle cell to this day there's no cure there's maybe advances but there's nothing to prevent sickle cell anemia when you say that the Black Panther Party opened up research in this country on sickle cell I think we brought more community awareness you can see yes in that context there were these small organizations who were doing it but they were hustling out for it that's why we got into it took it over because they were they were making money but they weren't doing the sharing that with the community it was poverty pimps we call them and so this is called black genocide sickle cell anemia showing the impact of it in the whole bet so design elements as well as artistic was also in credit and I couldn't have done this if I wouldn't took up commercial art as I pick up fine art maybe I'd have been a nice illustrator or painter but doing production work and understanding pre-production work came from taking up commercial art because you have to understand yet understand how publications will put together what was the process in that the whole thing and you had to deal with color and all color separations all those things and working in those small print shops that help what year was this because this is the first time in this presentation that we've seen a different yeah this is about this is in 1970s early 1970s as well was this just a freak paper or did you do a lot of reformatting like this where you could see the blood sales and stuff like well we had a we had also a kiosk stand what I made display for to raise funds for sickle cell anemia that was in different stores as well but we did a lot of all these covers that you see are designed basically but on our have a element of design in them it's not just this one others as well but for this one you can say there's I think we may have did one of the paper with the cover on sickle cell anemia if I'm correct but this is the most I think impactful one we've done this is also one dealing with the gerrym warfare declared against blacks in 1939 you had about I think it was 99 sharecroppers who couldn't read or write and they were given $50 to be in this the study the system study by the health department and they were in this in the study in 1947 they had found a cure and it was penicillin for syphilis but they didn't give them the penicillin they kept them in the test until 1972 in 1972 was when you had these progressive reporters who were able to get this information that they could not get published in the mainstream papers so they begin to give it to the Black Panther Party and alternative press and when we alternative press and Black Panther Party began to put it in the papers that's when the study stopped 1972 because it was being exposed not all that time didn't pass didn't have healthy health problems going blind going sick transferred to the family loved ones all that's going on at the time where there other newspapers in the black community or other communities that were as progressive as the Black Panther newspaper well no because we weren't we weren't we weren't shackled by advertising hours was not we didn't take advertising the only avatar we ever had was one of this brother named Joe Nell who was a store owner who donated to us and we said we have supported him by giving him an ad in our paper but we didn't take advertising and and because you have to understand black press is kind of a mainstream kind of alternative to the press and for them to survive because it's about making a living then they have to force the advertisers to advertise with them and so therefore that gives the advertisers some kind of leverage over them in regards to some of the things that they may want to put in their paper and but you had of course here in the area Dr. Carlton Goodlett which in front of the city halls named after him which that's what I worked for the black press after I left the Panthers didn't have that kind of situation as maybe limited but not that kind of situation because he was pretty regressive Dr. Nemesus support us when we bought our first typesetting equipment we bought it from the Sun reported newspaper back then because they were up when the police were going to attack us in the office that we had our central distribution office where Yoshi's is that used to be office these to be a black panther distribution office there that was our national distribution office when it was just feel a little different then and Dr. Goodlett and Mr. Fleming's and them come stood in front of the door because it was a death thing that happened that time because it was pretty intense and they stood in front of the car we tried to go out the back and they had police at the back and they had the whole round and so it was gonna go down but was Dr. Goodlett and then who came and maybe solved that problem for that day in that moment in that time so in that context they were our allies he should write stuff in the paper about the Panthers and what was going on so but you know he had another perspective he was considered the radical aspect of the black press this is safe seniors against a fearful environment we have a senior program what we say seniors pick them up from the houses it's from the satellite homes take them shopping take them to cast your checks they had at our school that we used to do things in the context of where they would come in and they would produce programs would have I have a whole there's a whole for a photographic program I have on that just shows that that can about these social programs that I'm talking about this illustration here was about the fact that you had the oak in California talking about spending $54,000 on a helicopter which I mentioned that I've said why should Oakland spend $54,000 on a helicopter when we need funds for seniors against a fearful environment and what we're saying then is that if they really want to stop crying they don't buy $54,000 helicopter they take that $54,000 and invest it in the young people to support the seniors to cast their checks to take the sport the seniors to go do their groceries then you talk about cutting in the crime because you you invested in the young people but you're not doing it if you just talk about a helicopter to make money for the prison industrial complex and safe was our acronym and then you had the San Francisco Police Department who started senior program day after that's like people don't know that's what it they got into it after we got into it and they sent us a letter saying that they had the same acronyms as we did and that we could no longer use it and we just we just tore it up and kept on what's the importance of you have people in such natural poses like you have people walking right there at the bottom I mean you don't get you don't draw people who seem to be posing you draw them in action why well I guess it comes natural I really didn't give a lot of thought sometimes I have actions sometimes I have not action but you know it's I guess it's an expression in the context of the artist self to give it more depth meaning and more feeling to it but that you see the portrait but the illustration those are that's art those are photographs in the front that's you know cut out overlap into the artwork itself this was a today's news as we see you got high rises going up but as you got high rises going up you got blocks and blocks homeless at the same time hypertension kills I'm hungry I'm unemployed I'm black as you can see in these expression it's a line drawing but it's the feeling of the lines it's the lines in the artwork that gave you the feeling of what is being said so you something you have to feel it you have to become a part of that and you have to feel it what it is that you're saying why do you think that the government and the press militarize the images and the the image of the Black Panther Party and I mean we're seeing so much that wasn't around guns if you look at television where you listen to the history books you will hear that the Black Panther Party was about guns and this person got shot and that person got shot but can you talk a little bit about how that was used to cover up this well it was you because the fact when you cover up this you talking about a mass movement in relation you talk to a broad section of people who can understand and this is about transforming changing society so this one beyond just defending ourselves but educating the lightning people about defending themselves was the thing to do because it was constitutional right second minute of the Constitution gave it a right but at the same time we knew that it was necessary to educate the people about the quality of life that they wanted and so therefore that's why we began to focus on these communities survival program because the government wasn't feeding hungry children and that's why they call and that's why we begin to expose it it became public enemy number one the free breakfast for school kids came public enemy number one because we were we were exposing what could be done with the government wasn't doing when you say public enemy number one I know what you're talking about but I don't know if everyone in the crowd knows that J. Edgar Hoover the head of the FBI at the time made the Black Panther Party the number one threat to national security in the country why is that because the fact that we were self we believe the self determination because we were because we could great we had great communicators who could communicate and we implemented and practice what we shared and we pointed out the contradictions with the government should have been doing it wasn't doing that's the bottom line is that we were uncovering exposing the realities of what didn't exist in this country what had been missing and expose the misinformation campaign what this government had always spoon fed the American people to believe here's one I'll have this book or House of bondage dealing with South Africa and at the time there's only book I had out and so I used to look through it a lot and when I came to do this image calls I call us it's like a spark that likes to purify her but where I took the photographs from the book and put them on the books of matches and as the you look at each one the matches come out then the matches become a simmer a sizzle then they begin to burn a little bit more then it become this flame and then this out of this flame you have this freedom fighter and I at the bottom it says repression breeds resistance so it's the conditions and the situation that creates resistance that there was no repression may not be no resistance but no exploitation we would we could do other things in the life here's the amazing poster of my work done by the Cuban artist in 1967 68 amazing poster you had the the artist from the who used to go work in the brigades used to work in the sugar canes help the Cubans with the one season came the crop jig with sugar cane and they would see these art over there and they would come back and say someone would say we've seen this art you didn't do this the Cubans did this but the Cubans were looking and inspired by the work that I did at that time and for many years that was the case until it was a guy Lincoln cushion who put out a book who also thought that when he went to Cuba to look at some of the work and he realized that my name was on the original work there then he began to also realize that it was the work that they were copying with some of the work that I had did which was fine back then because it was a solidarity was not about exploitation of what I have you and I'm gonna show you the two images next of where they are came from can you speak on some of the other countries that also had your work highlighted what well I'm also something we can say movements and stuff like movements in the UK in the UK also and both in the UK some of the some of the African liberation movements yeah some of these the student movements and also the movements in South America Latin America so that's that as you can see that's the two images put together hit and this next image is also and one that they also remixed it was and how you how we knew they're reading the interior of the paper the paper because this was a maybe a two by four small black and white image in the paper itself then they remixed it in four colors solidarity with the African-American people August 18 1968 and four different languages here's that original image there where it is they just flipped they just flipped it around and remixed it Afro-American solidarity with the oppressed people of the world I juror Ford and the 38th public of the United States corporations we know that back then we would I mean when you had to collapse and the Wall Street all this stuff going on corporations coming in you people giving advice that you never heard before can you speak to how this picture relates to the Panthers doctrine of intercommunalism what did intercommunalism mean particularly as it is expressed in a to the moon mean that the whole world all act everybody around the world being expressed expressed oppressed and exploited by the same corporations that's what that represents and it represents that perhaps their leadership as well is the puppets of the United States it inspires thought a thought process around the issue of who controls the local governments in the world and as we know when you talk about the specific partnership and all that that's what you're talking about government control world government control well you got a local government saying got no rights because they have to sign on the dotted line in agreement with the trans-specific partnership and if the masses of people locally otherwise don't go grow with that or go along with that local politician can't do nothing about it anyway because they'd already said agreed and they can be sued so you have that's and that exists today you might even exist in a relationship to go what we have with this all is high rises and stuff going up and no homes for the Polish poor poor people and people being pushed out because what can look baby didn't signed on the dotted line for that and made those agreements for all we know so would you say that Huey was the first political theories to talk about the new world or order or one world order well maybe in the context of being inspired to a group of people who didn't know yes but I think it's been an ongoing process for for eons this was our Halloween and it says trick-or-treat pig trick-or-treat and that to your left that was Richard Nixon the president and spiral Agnew who was the vice president both from criminals running the government disgrace both had to leave office and disgrace the president and the vice president had to leave office and disgrace would you equate how the country looked at Richard Nixon with how the country looks at Trump today uh yeah same way the conspiracy to destroy black country boy that's my corn tail bro when we did articles on the corn tail bro counter the Chelsea program what we mentioned earlier can you speak to how coin tail pro most of the operations during a certain period were aimed at the black panther party I mean like 249 verses like 300 do you know the exact figure and can you speak specifically to how much of coin tail pro was aimed at the black panther party so again the last part I see can you speak to how much of coin tail pro was aimed at the black panther party I know that there's that there's an exact figure of how many operations there were in coin tail pro period in a large majority of them were aimed at the black panther party can you speak to that yeah I can't speak to the number I know it was around 230 some operations were aimed at the black panther party and they were meant to destroy and discredit the party by any means necessary even like when I mentioned in that video earlier when the brother came to the office with that letter on four stationary a good friend of the Bible's who was a donated businessman who donated to the community programs and how he was shaking and scared because he's seeing this letter and he thought it was so real and thought it was a panther threatened him asking him for more money and Bobby's explaining to him that's not us that's the police but he could not even believe it they're talking to Bobby and he and he just couldn't believe it and so it was a psychological impact of what went on in the ad context the same thing sending criminal elements into the stores to stick up the stores dress like panthers and they think this panthers doing it all those things they and pitting panthers against each other it filtrate in the party or agents and proficators misinformation all those dynamics and exploit and exploiting the limitations of us as young people as well and can you speak to our coin tail pro is still playing out today say in the San Francisco a case that we had recently in this city but also with people like you ma'am Jamila Lameen and momia and for rounds about oh yeah well it continues you may not call it coin tail pro but it's still it's still the same thing and they legalize it now so that they can't be claimed to be brought up in court in many ways so they a lot of the stuff that they do now is legal that's and they had these think tanks and stuff where they got together and decided to legalize stuff or even once as the process goes along and people become exposed to stuff and beginning to respond and react then they begin to legalize things as well as you as you as you go along it particularly criminalizing movements like black lives movement and other movements out there and threaten them without all these 10 20 years for protesting the psychological impact of all that is part of coin tail pro this one says I wonder oh I'm sorry this one says I wonder if Nixon Nixon is bugging us now this one says I wonder if it's truck is spying on us now this one is called King Nixon corporate profit going up consumer spending going down corporate profit going up consumers spending going down 50 years later class brothers we are soldiers in the army we have to fight although we have to die we have to hold up the bloodstain banner we got to hold it up until we die my my mother she was a soldier she had in her hand a freedom plow when she got old and couldn't fight anymore she said we're gonna get up and fight anyhow my father he was a soldier he had in his hand the freedom plow when he got old and couldn't fight anymore he said we're gonna get up and fight anyhow now we all our soldiers we have in our hand the freedom plow when we get old and can't fight anymore we got to get up and fight anyhow what what role do you think that the Black Panther played in the blackest beautiful cultural movement and can you speak to the importance of cultural politically I know that Mao Zedong's cultural revolution inspired the Black Panther Party so well I'm not saying that Nancy Tong didn't expire Black Panther boy it was the fact that we used to read the red book because of a universal principles and they started reading the bed book because we used you and them used to see it sell a red book to the students at the University of California because they like to they used to like to read that and so they used to write it sell that book to raise money for the technical equipment that we had for the black in the Black Panther Party in the early days so in that context the book was there and the principles your universal principles that you could apply anywhere in the world because I'm quite sure the red book itself was written out of those struggles that took place during the during that period and what have you but there were universal principles so if you looked at them from a universal context then there were things in there that she like each one teach one you know how do you play actually you know all those things and so that's those kinds of way we were able to use the context of the red book in political education classes of the Black Panther Party but more so I was asking like in reference to the black is beautiful you guys put a lot of confidence in black people oh yeah yeah how black the style art in the style you could say that the style the dress to talk is a part of the art the act the act itself is revolution is an artistic act in the way that it presents itself visually so you can say the style of the hair the talk the language all that is a art form that I that people identify with and gravitate to wrote the poem that was a old spiritual song that changed the words to something a little bit yeah but I think it might have been one of the songs that they were talking about on the underground railroad when he was trying to flop to make an escape to somewhere or meeting because they had that in the spirituals you know the sir they were just spirituals they were songs that were given messages and at a time is that something action was going to take place in the panthers also were famous for changing the words of pop songs at the time right can you speak to some of those oh yeah well we had the lumping the singer lumping who were like like the those who were just wouldn't look for no job didn't want no job that's considered like the lumping outside of society or Bayes whole bit and so yes that was these are saying songs that were very relevant songs by well-known artists and they would add revolutionary content to those songs I can't remember what it is okay caution surviving is criminal if any two black man's lives here again prison camps USA the unknown slaves you call it the prison industrial complex today and we know what that's about that's about privatization that's about making money and profit which is there was then more so now and when you talk about making profits you talk about you have to have a product just like if you have a store you have to have food on your shelves in order to make a profit because you have to have something to sell or what have you but same thing if you in these private type prisons you got to have a product to make money the inmates become the product if you ain't got enough inmates on your shelf to make a product then you ain't gonna make no money cuz it's about making money so that means that there are always gonna be people who gonna be incarcerated in these in these prisons and particularly in these private prisons because it's about profit it's about making money here again is looking at one why must black people look at each other through prison bars where is that freedom yeah he may be in maximum security in the family is linked to him by being in minimum security what's that on his head that's showing that he been brutalized that's a bandage here again is one I did I and look like this images both of these images came from the same person but this one I used to look at books and I filed them away and after looking at them all the time and I could recall and so but these this came from two different images two different individuals young people but when I had to feel for what I wanted to do with this here it came to me that I remember that one and I remember how it looked and I was able to go to it and integrate that into the artwork and then to just and create the whole sense of it says my suffering my bitterness my loneliness I'm not going to get it let it get me down I'm not going to let it turn me around then had began to get a feeling of how the words that I want to use and how to frame the words I want to use with the image to get more depth and meaning to the image there were times early on that I used to paraphrase but after a while I began to just get the feeling of what I want to say and how I wanted to express it with the images themselves this is a picture of George Jackson who was brother who went to jail as a common criminal and was informed and enlightened and educated in prison and when Huey Newton had got shot and they sent him to prison he put the got the word to Huey that he wanted to start the chapter of the Black Panther Party and that's the first chapter was started in the San Quentin prison can you speak to George Jackson's importance in what is important as our theorists a revolutionary theorist a writer who was introduced to us by Angela Davis who helped connected with him who wrote his first book his first book love letters I believe it was and so that was the connection to him and to the respect that he has around the world I remember being in Portugal for an exhibition and part pamphlet I was went went to look for stuff as a collector and he found George Jackson book written in Portuguese that he found at one of the flea markets there can you also speak to you was locked up with one of his comrades as a young person and can you speak to the relationship that his formation in the Black Panther Party had you know speaking of you go particularly but can you speak to the relationship you had his children as well as the relation you know can you speak to the relationship that you and one of the San Quentin six you go snail who was who was indicted after the murder of George Jackson can you speak to the relationship that you had individually with Hugo but also the Panthers had with the prison movement oh yeah yeah well we use without our connection to the prison I think that first was that we used to take people to visit those who were incarcerated we had free bus into prison program that we took we used to they used to send us a listing of the commissary and the needs that they needed that candy toothpaste and all those things and we would get all that stuff donated and we would send it into the prisoners we had a list of people who visit certain prisoners every week and these were not just local but this is national programs yeah and Hugo Panell well me and Hugo raised up in the field more together we should shoot pool at your pool hall hang out together who is in June hour together and so he was a good brother he was a good person and he took the rap for his family but his one is cut he did not do what was done he just wouldn't rat out his his family so that's how he went to went went to prison for life yeah it was assassinated and it was assassinated yeah it was assassinated and he was assassinated because they had had many run-ins and battles in the inside the prisons with the extremists and in the prisons and so they set him up they put him on the walk yard without letting his lawyers know that they were going through this after he had been in the hole for all these many years and they sent him out on the yard as soon as they sent him on a yard they killed him assassinated and we know it was the authorities that did it you know two years ago yes Fred Hampton the image of Fred Hampton who was the leader of the Illinois chapter the Black Panther Party an image in the back was Mark Clark who was the leader of the selling Illinois chapter the Black Panther Party there's a film called the murder of Fred Hampton where you can see the history of this on YouTube who Fred was drugged and murdered in his sleep by Asian provocateur who infiltrated the party who stole a car he had took across state lines they told him that if he infiltrated the party they would make a deal with him they did he worked his way all up into security he was the one to set up the house and told told him that all these guns that weren't in the house were there and believe he was the one who drug Fred and so that night the police came shot through the house at bed level murdered Fred other comrade Panthers in the house was shot a sister was wounded in the knee a color sister was beaten and Fred Hampton Jr. was in the wound of one of the young of his girlfriend then they went back into the room and they asked they said he's still breathing they shot power pot she heard child power power they shot him again came out say now he's good and they came out smiling but with the lawyers and the help of the lawyers they preserved the site and you had people from the community stand up in the winter who waited in line for two or three blocks to go into this house to see what had took place can you talk to about his age and what was the significance of what he had organized well he aged he was Fred Hampton was 21 years of age early on like Mamiah Abu Jamal he was a member of the NAACP as a young person but then he joined the Black Panther Party has the sister they think it's a Fred Hampton who was a great communicator but not only that coin terrible came into the mix real heavy in the context of when we begin to organize and those strolling housing projects with the agreement of the most notorious gangs in the country doing that that time the peace zone Rangers and they begin to become inspired by what they seen us doing and they begin to do some of the same kind of programs and it was there after that they began the police began to send them letters and watch out for the Panthers they have to kill you and these kinds of things so it was the context of beginning to change the mindset of the gangbangers to do something constructive which the police and the government don't want that it's always about divide and conquer keep the chaos going those kind of context and so that was that was the impact of the of the and Chicago had the whole different style of language we're communicating to I mean it was amazing I went to four or five times but they had a whole different language the way they communicated in Chicago so about their slang yeah the slang yeah here's a car this is a wash join that I did this is Carl Hampton no kinder Fred Hampton he was the chairman of the Houston chapter of the Black Panther Party in that chapter he this brother was 21 years old wanted to start a chapter at the time we had shut down for a moment so what happened is that he started called part people's party to like Black Panther Party to what people's party to but then when we open it up he started part and they cleaned up the streets there was no substance abuse no drugs in neighborhood no no nothing seniors go out and walk all that got into a current confrontation with the Houston police they left they came back a couple of weeks later they believe it was somebody there who set him up because they told him that the police were out in the streets and he went out to see what was going on and they had allowed the police to go up into a church tower a police sniper go up into a church tower and when he went out into the middle of the street they assassinated him so each year they have a commemoration in honoring him that church had closed down the hole in regards to that but this is showing you what kinds of situation the Panthers was in at ruin that same time in New Orleans you had the police come dressed up as nuns and priests and knocked and came to the door and the system went to the door I think she asked who it was they shot her through the chest she survived so those were the kind of things that we were dealing with during that period in in time as well I just see it as Italian can you talk about executive mandate one and why he we mandated it well executive mandate one is about the we call it prison camps USA we were talking about the prison concentration camps what you call it a prison industrial complex how it's going to be used to incorporate in clothes to to incarcerate people of black and brown people of color well maybe I'm talking about two the one with the search warrant was oh yeah that was executive mandate number three I think that was when I remember with that elders Cleveland's house Kathleen Cleaver in San Francisco as we've been politicking came in late that night the police came to the door at elders apartment and they knocked on the door and elders asked who it was they said it's a San Francisco police he said do you have a search warrant is a search warrant okay we had no problem they could come in go ahead and hide but they said now we don't have when he said well you have to kick the fucking door in and they began to kick the door in and when they come to kick the door in they started looking for guns I don't have that illustration but I did illustration unfortunately and and they couldn't find no guns so and what happened was that earlier that day because there had been threats on elders in Kathleen's life that day or a couple days before they had consulted with a lawyer to see all right if it was a how her have a gun in her house for their protection and it was okay for have the gun registered in her name but he could have it in his name because the fact that he was on parole and if if they if he's on parole had a gun in his possession then he could have been violated and sent back to prison which was that raid was basically about so what happened that they were probably looking for underage to guns illegal guns in the house so that they could justify the the raid in relationship to send an eldest cleaver back to prison but what happened is by the week two three weeks later they went to Bobby sales house and Berkeley and did the same thing then it was there after that we wrote that executive mandate number three in essence it was saying that if the police come to a house that they have a search warrant we had no problem we let them in ain't got no problem about that but we weren't gonna let them kick in our doors anymore so we said that it took we took an essence from the 1940s when the Al Capone gang dressed up like police some of them did Valentine's Day Massacre and they went across town and they slaughtered the other game cuz they put your hands up thinking it was the police and they slaughtered them well we say and we use that example to say we're no longer what we allow the police to come in our house and kick in our doors because we don't know if you police are gangsters and so it was there after that you begin to have all these shootouts across the country because what happened they began to also use that to exploit it with infiltrating the party with agent for vodka tours to create these shootouts across the country and so in this documents of that as well you see so in that and in that essence it escalated the situation where there was these confrontations and shootouts and and according to Bobby sale a few others half length lever I think they say about 28 Panthers or more were killed and about 10 12 police were killed and wounded in these shootouts that took place across the country during that period I mean it was a tense period this one also talks about political prisoners during that period the 60s Bobby sale and Huey Newton were one of the political prisoners at that time this actual is a photograph I cut out from another actual photograph that was taken and I remixed it into this image here this one is free the New York 21 and all political prisoners a finish you cool to box mother was a member of the New York chapter the Black Panther Party they were charged with over a hundred something charges and what the court within two hours of going to court all charges were dismissed kind of tells you something I mean all kinds of blowing up stuff to all kinds of stuff that they had fabricated and within two hours or two and a half hours of the jury here all charges were dismissed here's one of Angela Davis who a comrade of ours showing our solidarity when she was in constant on the run in the incarcerated here's one of Bobby sale called kidnap where the opinion cultural centers across the street in Oakland I mean Berkeley right across the street used to be one of our central headquarters and one day I went by there we're coming in to do work on the paper we could tell there was something going on out of the street but we didn't know what it was we left that evening went to the filling station on the corner of Ashby and Shattuck when we got there and went out again the car was in two cars we had we had the federal marshes down on us with machine guns they snatched Bobby sale out of his car he was in and they drove away and we were got in touch with our lawyers and we found out that they had took him to the federal building in San Francisco and that they were sending him back to Chicago because this is 1968 he had been invited to speak at the active Israeli protests against the one Vietnam that took place outside of the Democratic Convention and they were saying he incited to ride which was not the case but there was a set up to get Bobby and so he was kidnapped and so that's why I call this one kidnapped oh say we're running out time well I just wanted to open it up a little bit to any type of questions oh okay or feedback or anything anyone in the audience wanted to share anyone microphone right here so we can get it on takes and just approach the mic please and also to continue on with the slides as well yeah okay oh yeah so should I wait until the end of the slide no it's fine it's good cool so first of all thank you for your education your activism it means a lot to me personally I'm an international activist I'm originally from Arizona I'm Mexican American and my mom immigrated to this country legally Arizona has its own host of problems and fights and struggles for Latin American immigrants or immigrants of any kind but so like I said I'm an international activist and I've been doing anti-capitalist art question yeah I do I've been doing anti-capitalist art and I was wondering if you had any particular advice about moving forward now that I'm here in San Francisco actually just got here a few weeks ago well I didn't hear that I was ask it again oh do you have any advice for someone who's working actively on anti-capitalist art yeah to be informed basically informed of the matter that you're doing because you'll be you more likely to be confronted about the issues so you have to be able to express your perspective and point of view on those issues to enlighten and to form and to educate those who may not be or may be caught up in the context of what's being you're being attacked by so it's always to be informed and enlightened and understand that it's gonna be hard work and it's have fun but it's gonna be a job yeah of course so you only it's the only thing that seems to make sense thank you if you have a question just line up and then we'll have them just continue actually I don't have a question but I have an announcement to make I'm with the San Francisco Peace and Freedom Party the party is celebrating our 50th anniversary we achieved ballot status in 1967 and actually ran a number of Panthers as candidates in the early 60s anyway on Friday October 27th 7 p.m. at the Eric Kusata Center we are having a celebration of our 50th anniversary program will include Cindy Sheehan James Van Gloria Lariva Dave Welch Marcia Fineland and Francisco Herrera and I have cards which I can hand out to people yeah if you can leave those cards over in the back where the one city one books are people can grab them thank you what do you think is or do you see or the black community is very different you hear me okay speaking to the mic all right so the black community is very different today than it was back then can you speak to some of those differences cuz I mean today it seems to be a large disconnect I mean you know I think black people we should be they should be having a children here come in here like they would come to church and also speak to some of those differences of the black community in 1969 and 2017 are you asking are you saying that it was more politicized in or how much together more unified how much different was it you know you know where oh yeah yeah well I mean you could you could say that because you had the Black Panther Party the young people were gravitated to because it was a youthful organization and then the climate in the country at the time was young blacks being murdered being justified the whole bit as it is today but you had the Black Panther Party which inspired a lot of young people to want to do make change you want to do something and because of that you had a vehicle for which young black people could get involved in and it became a vehicle where some people disagreed with and agreed with and those who disagreed also started organizations and movements as well so by the nature who we was it began to expand in many dynamics in many ways with many different organizations and what have you so today and what you have to you have from this then you have to understand that they dismantle all the social programs in the 70s you then you had infiltration government infiltrating the crack cocaine into the neighborhood in the community then you had babies raising babies then many decades of that then on top of that you had young blacks who then back then we only seen a shit what a black program maybe once every two weeks a week but then you know these young to grow up on BET MTV they they in freight trilogy with the hip-hop negative hip-hop until you had dead prayers and all them come on the scene and public enemy to begin to transform that but you so you had to all those dynamics is going up all over the many years and then and then it's the repression that breeds resistance and what you see now is maybe the possibility is a spark of something becoming because you got a young young people who are interested it ain't gonna never be absolute it's an ongoing process but you got young people who are interested in trying to do things who are taking note of how things were done and being inspired by it you know but it's still an ongoing process the whole dynamics is different today than it was the repression is a whole different animal yeah different animal yes I got one more one more question important to I heard I even heard you mentioned it too but I heard your Ronimo Pratt one time on the interview say there were many different other organizations besides the Black Panthers and the media just kind of called everything Black Panthers back then yeah well because of that because you had a lot of these other organizations who were allies and some of the overlap and some of them came from the Black Panther Party but it was also because the Black Panther Party had a machinery and was was the one who was and you could say Vanguard lead by example some of the things that you hear some of the other organization might have said that the Black Panther Party were revisionists for feeding having free programs but we knew that that was the fourth way of enlightening and educating the community because this was the desires and the needs of the community but now you have some of them same organization talking about they wish they had to have them and we need them today you see so you enlighten people by having vision and what you do may not be something that people want to do right then all activists because some of them are ready to go to battle and not understanding that it's the process of the work that has to be done that's a part of the process as well you know feeding the hunger trees and getting up educating lightening developing structure as you do that improving your infrastructure as you do that being able to talk about the situation and things that make up organizations today can come from what we were doing overall you know we had internal problems so if we talk about that you can understand how you have to develop structure you know we had brothers using the B word who came out the street and so we had to deal with that issue in the context of making sure that that didn't that wasn't loud and how we did that is we had them had to work with sisters that they didn't want to work with and take orders from them sisters you see I was there so when you had you had to grow we had to have we had things in the relationship to housing and all those things that we had to you had collective responsibility how and we had to make sure that the houses are clean but we had to make a report it was not just a responsibility just the women the men had to take care of the responsibilities it had security you had people who had to take care of kids men and women had to take care of the kid you see all these dynamics come out of the experience itself that we can share with a lot of perhaps today structurally that people can begin to implement in the context of today and there's a whole lot of them you know that we old obstacle had to overcome you know when when you have interactions you have babies in the party and you have to have child care for babies we've seen that that was the thing that the sister had to want to love take care of the baby so it eliminates the work so we started child care centers you see and so that became the responsibility of every one and so not only didn't then well Bobby Seale has seen in the community the sister who had a child care center but what being done at that time and he say if we were to do that we could enlighten a whole lot of people about child care and that's when we began to implement these child care centers to talk about it and sure enough it came something that people became inspired by whether they agree to disagree with us child care can is begin became a part of the process of what people needed knew they needed want to do Cecil Williams when he first came to open when you first came to California first place you came with the Black Panther Party a lot of people don't know that he came straight to the Black Panther Party we should go and talk to him at his house then he set up them program yeah can you speak a little bit to the relationship that the Black Panther Party had to female leadership I know that on leaving to beaver on television the mother was still sitting in the back seat while Kathleen Cleaver and Erica Huggins sat on the central committee so can you speak to how progressive the Black Panther Party was relationship to American society well you had Black Panther women who started chapters and branches of the Black Panther Party a blank New Haven in the back east were part of those who were included in the lead stand up a chapter but you had those sisters who were first group of sisters in the party which were really from the hood hardcore and they used to say hey what's part of our leadership we can get my life just like everybody else they should demand that so that you know that also played into the fact that the fact that women were sacrificed just like men and making contributions so equal opportunity we were first ones came out and supported of gays in the party had a guy who's a gay across the tracks and named Roderick who used to work with the party on the right on the rallies and what have you and he said he wanted to be a party member and he would say well it's a democratic democratic so he can be a party member and wrote a position paper on in relationship to our solidarity as well even though there was I don't mean that there was chauvinism in the party they ain't like we become pure tonical he's they had to deal with those issues but we had and was that in position we had put that in in the context thank you very much I'm quite impressed that your repository of a great deal of history appreciate your speaking I was looking and remembering that you said safe and acronym was for seniors yes are you aware of what that current acronym now is in San Francisco I'm wondering is it the same safety awareness for everyone which is now okay crime prevention program in San Francisco is that the same acronym well if it's the one that the police department claim they had and they wanted us to stop using hours and well it's it's yeah well we'll see we had it initially but that was then Black Panther Party as the organization doesn't exist anymore but then we had it yes we started in San Francisco's police department from its website it said that 1978 and then developed into its own nonprofit yeah yeah but we had it back in early 70s that's why they sent us a letter claiming that we couldn't use it anymore and we said we just took a letter up so I know we're closing out the program I was hoping that you could share a little bit more of your contemporary work yes it's almost there about five yeah okay I'll do that right now I'll just glance to these that are and let you see these and I'll talk about the more relevant stuff in a minute that was when Bobby Seale was in prison and sat and went to trial in Chicago and what they did is they he went to court and lawyer Charles Gary had to have a minor operation so he wanted to represent himself in the court and they refused to allow him to do that so I didn't want to do a court there was a lot of amazing court illustrator so I want to interpret what it represented when they in court they changed him in gagging every time he spoke out against the inter proceedings the mission's name he therefore was gagged and chained in the courtroom never in history had it ever happened before chain and gag in the courtroom he was even kicked over in the chair in the courtroom when they all had to do is take him out of the court during that period and so this is one is about a black man has no rights that a white racist political system is bound to respect this was in New Haven which I mentioned about when Bobby Seale was they tried to murder him in the gas chamber that's what it was about and so I did just to bring attention to that issue Hugh Newton didn't like this issue but Bobby thought it was a very powerful picture that brought attention to his case at that time this is when he Bobby and Huey were exonerated of the situation of the case in New Haven and they says hallelujah the might and the power of the people is beginning to show unfortunately this was in here again this is showing my solidarity with the American Indian movement the original caretakers of the land we aim was close allies and I'm working on the image of Leonard Peltier who is ill really ill now in support of Leonard Peltier this was Sonya Sanchez well-known poet this is her first portrait book when she was out San Francisco State she asked me to do the cover image for her first court she bought this is like a remix of that and again another remix of it this one I call Malcolm that's Dr. King this says health is wealth I like the same yes none toxic that's I call that Malcolm the warrior this is a sister who used to live in back of my headquarters and every week she will come out and she would get her paper and read her paper so I interpret that photograph of her and I paraphrase the words saying it's a darn shame how the government won't give us the needy a helping hand here again is another one a remix of one I did and I got brother here saying here we are living in the land of plenty while we the people star it could be it could be his brother could be a doctor yeah but I'm gonna get to something so I got some political real political ones to this brother here used to come and buy his paper every week he'd be slushed he would be slushed but he would always come and get his paper at the headquarters every week this is showing that we were shellcroppers and we were some of the same fields and same places that's the farm workers Latino Chicano farm workers work used to have a bus that used to come in the field more in a different areas to pick black people up to take them to work in the farms on the summer all week long where were the farmers at now down in the valley the same place they are today these go here's again sharecropper here's a remix of the one you saw earlier and it says our struggles continues from one generation to the next this one black pepper party October 1966 1982 that's when we had to did a last one of the love one of the last one of at this time when I did this image was when we did a program that we had brought Panthers together and it again shows all the different social program in Chicago they gave them a greyhound bus they took the greyhound off and put the path on it and called the prison the prison bus in the prison program and we had cars and stuff around the country where we were announced what you'd be at on on the weekend and we were going to certain prisons and anybody could come and go free to visit loved ones who were incarcerated in those in those prison and what's the Salem there you see that we have a we had an ambulance service because the ambulance when we said it was his first chapter in the south they would the ambulance was reluctant to come into the community I wouldn't come in so the pastor wouldn't got certified in the community help buy them an ambulance so we had a black path the community ambulance service in Winston-Sale I call this educate deliberate freedom this one was Tony Morris book blew his eye based on a exhibition on banned books and what this book was one of those was for censorship and what have you a lot of people know over a hundred some books have been either censored or banned in this in this country and so I chose her book and then last is about this young lady who mother thought she was going to be a have a miserable life didn't think she was a beautiful child and all that when she was born and she went through life's journey live psychologically messed up living in this world was make-believe world and essence at the end she was abused rape all those things and at the end Tony Morrison says she could have been assassinated and that's what she said on the last page in the context of what she was speaking on and that stuck with me that you didn't have to be assassinated by a bullet but you can be psychologically assassinated so that's what I was trying to share here with psychological assassination here's one done with reparations it was a Greg Morizumi brother who did a exhibit on Japanese American and half American reparations and he wanted me to be included in that exhibition and this is one of the images this is the second image called reparations the word spelled out and with the chains and as you see the letter spelled the word reparations and this symbol here is an African I've got the group West African group six simple and it says you are a slave whose handcuffs she wear that's what the symbol represents this is called freedom this is collaboration with Fabiana Rodriguez she kind of orders when we did these street woodcut printing and this is six this one is about three and a half by seven feet tall and I carved it and I wanted to use the word justice and resist unjust laws here's one set come about peace is where I use fabric African fabric in the back remixed it is something I had since the 1970s I had never used it and I integrated into this image and there's a remix of one I did here's one is out of context but you'll see it again this is in Senpaolo this early this year I had in Brazil at Ceci had a major exhibit there I mean this is was huge exhibit there and this is just show you but a couple of images when just happen to be out of context unfortunate I think it is here's the other one showing you different for the one image to the right was some students from Senpaolo University who came to the exhibition and were at the presentation and they symbolized like the panther they were in the panther t-shirts I'd also did a presentation at the university itself this is a big wall picture of one of artists one of photographers who contributed to the exhibit who used to follow us around now yeah that was Lori having that this is a black scholar magazine 1989 they asked me to do illustration on the politics of the time and as you can see I have the elephant in the jackass lit we got the same truck so ain't too much change is one I call toxic waste double head a snake I mean I don't mean you don't have good people in there but the culture and the system itself is so corrupt and so off and people in there who got some who relevant ain't can't do nothing they can't do nothing so you you got to talk about the issues of what it is and you now you got the republicans attacking and beating up on the democrats next you'll see the democrat attacking and beating on the republicans it's a toxic waste this one says real talk mama why did president Obama pardoned why did Obama didn't why mama why didn't president Obama pardoned Leonard Peltier also sadly because our government ongoing deep and extreme hatred baby that's the reality it's because of hatred for the indigenous community the original caretakers of this land fascist xenophobe command-in-chief that's Guantanamo Bay that's a carol from the Obama administration here's the word war and W.A.R. this symbol is a like a Bantu symbol one is like this that means war but it was going the same way would mean peace or solidarity here again using that and grown warfare collateral damage where is Africa Pakistan Pakistan Afghanistan Africa that's where you have all the drone warfare going on is one to talk about didn't show earlier when Obama went to get the Nobel Prize he gave a war speech he didn't give a peace speech so that make him a Nobel fraud when not doing the work of the government he decided he get to get he got together every week what I think so many people and they decided don't who they were gonna assassinate in the world it's called a kill list they had a list that they would talk about who they was gonna kill in the world but Nobel was a dynamite maker anyway oh I didn't know that I'm glad that Nobel is now here when we talk about war war is devastating war war just what war does human beings it's devastating that's the human nobody came with no war I'm not not no not no nuclear war I don't care if the United States got 300 nuclear weapons and the other country ain't got but a hundred it'd be so devastating to this country it what I'm hit here it'd be insane deficit can you imagine that what is happening with hurricanes can you imagine what's happening with all this other stuff that's going on natural disasters and can't deal with that can you imagine what's gonna happen to people here if there's a nuclear war genocide deliberate killing of a large group of people especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation who are the two people I don't know if everyone knows who both of those men were hmm who are both of those men yeah yes this one free the land by any means necessary boycott divest down with apartheid bds boycott divest sanctions they're trying to stop this movement by any means they can by just representing and distorting the information freedom of speech being challenged because of that peace hills war kills I was contemplating the word peace and I came up with saying this is 2011 I think and this is peace is being attacked peace can be attacked peace can be peace peace can be attacked peace is being bloody crimes against humanity I did this initially before there was any discussions around the issue of what was going on in Yemen and then I was able to wait until I got some relevant information then I began to integrate it into this artwork and what was happening the first US and the UK were denying the British were denying that they were even involved in the surveillance of anything that was going on in Yemen but the pressure began to mount to acknowledge that they had been given the surveillance they acknowledged that they were giving them military material and stuff to create the genocide that exists in Yemen today I mean you got thousands injured millions displaced millions food insecurity humanitarian humanitarian import blockade thousands dead water shortage you got cholera you got all this coming mother earth some people don't call it don't believe in climate change but it's something it's something fracked Arab Muslim Islam you do US government's coded word for terrorist hate discrimination black male US government's coded word for hate discriminate kill as much as things change some things stay the same why do they get to brutalize and murder us and we get to blame Polish terror USA I was Oscar Grant era right yes this was when Oscar Grant the initial one I did was when Oscar Grant was murdered this one I call the black cold you had a slave code black hole in material was clear because the black slave code you can say black cold talk to Switzerland a white woman yet slave you couldn't get walk when white folks come on you had to walk off the curb couldn't look at them all these kinds of things slave code what if you want to look at it from that perspective and this is a black person has no rights which an institutional racist judicious system is bound to respect it gives the parents of being fair and just when the bias decisions have already been made and that's in the context of the you can see that in the context of the non-vertex or young people who have been murdered recently in this country a black person has no race that a white racist judicious system has ever been bound to respect legal lynching then and now attorney general on USA black lies matters justice now black lies justice now that's what black lies matter to me about justice this is about justice about the injustice black lies matter like I love the beauty life flowers air the fresh air all that that's what black lies about down data struggle data win this is one I did collaboration with Aboriginal artists this is international stuff and stuff travels now with Aboriginal artist Richard Bell this is in the Campbell town center in Australia it's about as long as this wall right there about 16 feet and we did this one together we collaborate on several times in Australia I matter in fact I might be going back soon been there four times and we each time to collaborate with Aboriginal artists this is one again this a kind of picture of Africa Richard Bell there this is a well-known activist that was a part of a mural project that we were working on and they wanted to use the reparation image because that's the color of the Aboriginals there red black and yellow so and they are still banning reparations they wanted to you we did this one on John Carlos Thomas Smith and Peter Norman a lot of people didn't know that Peter Norman was from Australia and he was in solidarity with John Carlos and John Smith and Tommy Smith at the Olympics he wore the Olympic badge that they had human rights for human rights Olympians for human rights I believe was and when he went back to Australia he still had just the fastest time for the 1972 Olympics but they blacklisted him because he supported Thomas Smith and John Carlos they wouldn't lie and run again in life but after death they want to acknowledge him but but before that they would demonize him just like they were doing John Carlos and Tommy Smith here and so we were asked to do this mural to enlighten and educate a lot of the young Australians white Australians who didn't know that history what city is that hmm what city is this is this was here in Brisbane and this was on a kind of a narrow street but it's narrow street where people come by all day long coming from different work and young people who would do on some kind of training program and they would look and ask questions to us about it would have been these are my images done created by the Zapatista Mayan women collected in Chiapas when we're in Chiapas they did six different embroidery interpretations I was invited very Caleb Duarte to Idela Art Center which was there back in it's not there now and so these were and we did some work in the in the community itself as a petition community what's the significance of the Zepatera Negro Zepatera Negro was an all Zepatera plays off of the Zapatista pathos and shown how the aesthetics in both movements were inspiring to those movements when we talked about it and type of dress style top manners all that being artistic artistic in that context and so it was a whole movie with music music called Zappatero it was there's a whole dynamics connected to Zappatera Negro and you have a book what's the name of your book that's out particularly dealing with the Zappa Zappa tana yeah that's it okay embroideries what are those on hmm those are on cloth yeah those are cloths they were embroidered they had he had hand embroidered and machine embroidered combination I think it took about two months two three months because they had to take them to one location then to another this is when we went there and we were invited to paint this this is like the auditorium at the at the school and you know the Zapatista tend to love and care but you have to bring all your paints they can afford you have to bring your paints you have to bring your sleeping equipment you have to bring everything when you go into areas to paint or do work and they allowed us this is what they sent us to paint and we had to sleep up on this platform here this is open here this is dirt floor this is rough dirt here you had turned on my computer at night backs flies and bugs would attack it so I had to cut it off the whole bit you had to go to the outhouse down in the back and out down the hill to his hers and so we were there by a couple of days and and this is what we're able to do in a couple of days with the paint that we had and then next I remember while there it took me this is me standing in the store of the Zapatista store where we were supposed to come and paint he was introduced to me to some of the Zapatistas at this store that we were going to come back to paint and we're going back to I think it was the next year and this is where a collective of us this is a story it's about 18 of us who contributed to the this to the painted of the story cell and it was about solidarity education production all those things the word things to be created included in the work itself and as you see the Zapatista dials that were made for the installation that's them there they're on or part of the installation this is my country brief one of the images I contributed called solidarity education production cultural this is the other one people of the corn so I did start with the corn yeah I use the Napa the 43 faith showing the solidarity with that issue that's the that's the youngsters who were murdered and in the state of Guerrero from the school and the state of Guerrero missing and major uproars behind the fact that the Mexican government lack of interest in trying to find out what took place and so the parents and the students and everybody in Mexico has began to have over a period of time and continue to demand inquiries and investigation into what took place I think it's even from even to the UN today I think it also demanded is that's worth anything this is when I went to the school where the young brother here was working and called Allendale Elementary School Tigers this is when I was in Erbison Manchester these young people who were challenged and self-esteem they did artwork that was also included in the exhibit the exhibit here in in Erbison Manchester was 2008 it went on from 2008 November October to April 2009 and they had over 43 thousand people who came to that exhibit and there's the showing you she is showing you the exhibit itself this was a major huge exhibit they had we had classrooms set up with desk with books connected to it that were required reading by the Black Panther Party so when people came in they would read the same books that we were reading you had audio video rooms you had the visuals where they could sit down and look at visuals the whole bit I mean this was a whole major exhibition that's was opening night you said Manchester England yeah Manchester was nervous the location doesn't exist in what it changed it into a football something but it was the major there it was four floors of what it did exhibitions and kinds of stuff yeah this is about three times as big as this here whole thing here's when I went to Australia New Zealand to collaborate with the Maori artist which I've been there three or four times you have a Polynesian Panthers were official chapter of the Black Panther Party 1971 in Australia I mean in New Zealand you got new Australia Panthers you can see the Polynesian Panthers audio on video on YouTube if you want to explore more and I was seeing this symbol because I was going to collaborate with Maori artists named Wayne Yule and Rigo 23 the artists from here and also from Portugal and I seen the symbol the twist symbol and it's about we may go different paths but we always come back together and I mentioned that to Wayne through email he saw that's just a plain symbol I ain't nothing spectacular about it and so that's it what I'm gonna do to make it have an impact and so I put that symbol and I put the Maori flag together and this is what I came up with as my design and it says overcoming oppression is our path to unity and one of the brothers I knew Maori interpret that general interpretation in Maori as well and also this is it we this is in South Auckland this is like the hood and this was at the Auckland International Heart Festival and what happened you had a reporter who was out there because a lot of young people who in the hood would come through that shopping mall and they would we would engage with them and talk with them and he happened to see that and he was writing on the overall festival which a lot of other stuff was in you know the gallery and the other areas and he wrote that this was the best of the overall exhibit that year because he's seen all this interaction that we were having with the young people who were just coming through and so they invited me back a year after that where I did some other work with some young folks as well but also the title of the theme of it was if we were to live here and it came to me that if I was to live here because then I went on on YouTube and I found out the about the British flag the British flag has always had to be at the top the other flag has to be to the right or the other flag have to be below that's the way it has to be so what I took I put the Maori flag at the top made the British flag a little small and turned it upside down so that was right across and they liked it they liked it this is for our first one I was there for 41 days invited and this is that Elum International School of Fine Arts and this is on the streets near the university where they had put these images up with city huh what city are we talking about eat this is an Auckland New Zealand and so what happened is that I was by there for 41 days but because the fact there was so much interest that they had to stop the artisan residency myself and some of the artists talked and engaged each other while I travel around the country the north and the south island for 41 days talking about the history behind our and the Black Panther Party and there was so much interest until the point that they couldn't keep couldn't couldn't do it all couldn't do it all they had to turn stuff away I went to cultural centers went to Marais went to galleries I mean everywhere everywhere there was this interest in the history and what had you and so it was powerful it was amazing it was really amazing this is there when I met a Samoan school and and in New Zealand also and these are make young artists and went into the classroom they had pictures of jazz musicians that they were doing they had pictures of of Tupac I mean these they were they were doing a little bit of everything yeah here is at a library and in New Zealand where youngsters were talking about some gentrification to take place and they wanted to do a mural around the fact that the land was being taken and what have you so I would suggest in my ideals and on that on the possibility of what they could do this is in Argentina this is when I went to try Marchi it's a group for young people young artists they come these artists got together many years ago they felt they didn't have any qualified instructors in Argentina so they begin to reach out and bring people in to talk about the arts who could teach them or help them and this is at Try Marchi in Mar de Plata on the coast and they have from from five seven thousand young people at this major basketball stadium they have two big screens on each side as you see about biggest each of them as long as this wall or more you have a professional interpreter and you give your you'll give your presentation and I gave my presentation and after my presentation it was amazing the response you had young artists in the quarters of the arena selling their art all the way around outside you okay so maybe close out your comments and I have a couple people who want to buy books and kind of engage with you in a little bit less formal setting okay thank you so much okay and so this is uh and so I wondered why was there it was so and you have this is where you had young people from Brazil Paraguay Uruguay El Salvador I mean they came from they come from everywhere to this conference and they was uh it was like it was amazing and I was wondering afterwards what was it why they why I got seven curtain calls I'm trying to figure out what was it that they liked about it and it came to me that they could see in the artwork that I was talking about some of the issues that they were dealing with in their country so the link was the art of resistance the art of transcending art into an art form that deals with social issues and concerns and it was very powerful very powerful thank you so much Emery