 Chairman Ackley, I think we should go ahead. And what I would do is just suspend the acceptance of the minutes from the last meeting. We'll have to defer that to the next meeting. But I think we can bring up for discussion some of the items that are on our agenda. None of them call for a decision. Okay, perfect. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. So I'd like to call the meeting of the Mayor's Pet Friendly Task Group to order. Item 1.2 is the Pledge of Allegiance for those of you that are in the chambers. If you could please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance and the rest of us will stay muted. Thank you. Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you so much. And as the Mayor of Anderstein had said, we're going to be skipping the approval of the minutes. The next item on the agenda with the item number at 3.1, which is public forum. Do we have anybody in the chambers that would like to speak? No, we do not. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Okay, then we will be moving on to item 4.1, which is an update on the status of the community-wide survey. The task group members are asked to test the survey and share feedback prior to it going live. Has anybody tried it yet besides me? Yes, I did and I thought it worked fine. I tested it, it worked great as well. I sent in just, it was really good. I just sent in a few thoughts by email the other day. Do you want to review those, Joe? Item nine, the link to the map. I sent a different link that map was not updated as of lately. There's just a few things that were wrong with it. We updated it just recently, so that's the most updated map. 32 and 33, those are questions you have to answer. And like my example was me, a homeowner, I don't know if there's problems with finding rental areas for pets. So any answer I gave you would not be a good answer. So maybe there should be a third option of not sure something to that effect. And then the other ones, that's only one overall, but then being from Parks and Rec, I did include a couple I thought would be good for us to know as a group and as a city. And those related to pets in the parks. So I don't know if everybody got those or you want me to read them, I sure could. It's not that many. Please go and read them, Joe. Okay, so the first one I would put, do you think pets on leash should be allowed in most city parks, simple yes or no? And I use the word most. Number two, what parks should pets not be allowed in? Cause there's definitely some parks out there that should not allow a dog, a pet. Number three, if pets were allowed on a leash in most city parks, what areas of the parks should not be allowed? So I just gave four examples on beaches of the land and king, playgrounds and splash pad areas. Athletic fields, open park shelters, picnic areas. So people could give their opinion. Okay, if we do allow dogs and Kiwanis, maybe there's some areas that they shouldn't be. Like playgrounds to me is a definite. They should not be, and then like some cities have a 20 foot, 30 foot now from the playground, something like that. On the other hand, open shelters, picnic areas, if I'm renting it, I'm a dog owner. I want my dog there, maybe that's okay. Number four, would you be in favor of pets on a leash to be allowed on the South public beach between Indian Avenue, South Tecler Avenue? Now, that is South of Blue Harbor, but it leaves a bit of beach for Blue Harbor and the people that visit there. And it would be just between that stretch. Of course, there's gonna have to be signage and whatnot. I go, that's the beach I'm gonna hang out for a while just to get some sun and see the lake. That's where I go. And there's already dogs all the time. So something to think about. I'm not advocating for or against, I'm just asking some questions. The other one would be, would you be, and I actually presented this one to the Marina Parks and Forestry about three years ago and they said, no, they'd rather just keep with what they have. Would you be in favor of pets on a leash to be allowed on the North public beach between the Middle Jetty, which is about equal to Superior Avenue to North Point Park? Yes or no. North Point Park note is already an on-leash friendly park, so friendly area. So those are ones I'd like to know how people pick and not to say that, again, I think it goes from here. We'll definitely have to put our thoughts over to the Marina Parks and Forestry, public works and whatnot, but this would be a great place for any changes to come from if we choose to make any changes. Joe, I have a comment on that last one. I talked to the Parks Director down in Racine City and they told me that there's some really bad things that happen in the water when you have dogs in the same area where we're encouraging people to swim. And so maybe we need some more information on that, but that is a concern for me. And I know that the Lakeview Park used to be with a spot where we could take our dogs on the beach and the beach has pretty much disappeared there, so there's an interest in trying to find another beach where they can access. But I'm still concerned about that being right next to where people are swimming. The last one you mentioned, South of Blue Harbor, that's become like the new attractive place to go and people are just taking the streets there and parking and they're swimming. So that's the one thing that I have a problem with. So I really wouldn't like to put that on at this time because I think we need to find out more information about the dander and the other thing that comes off of dogs in an area where people are swimming to just make sure of that. The only other thought I had for a question, and I'm just fine with that, Mayor. The only other thought I had was maybe what do people think about allowing dogs on the beach during off season, pick the off season month. Again, my goal after this, whatever happens is signage and more signage and better signage and enforcement because right now we have neither. And I just want us to look at all aspects and when we come out of this, then I wanna start getting ready for it. But that was the other option, off season, October through April, something like that. Again, it's happening. There's not a time that I don't drive by the lake and there's not a dog on the beach. It's just so, how are we gonna handle this? I don't know. I think if maybe you take questions four and five and morph those into the question on the seasonal use in certain areas, that'd be great. Okay. Any other thoughts on that? I had a related thought, just a couple of questions on the survey. I think it was 21 and 23 about workplaces. Kind of the same thing Joe ran into. I permanently work from home. And so having those required, I wouldn't give good answers there because I have to make up an answer about an office that doesn't exist. So I think we either do a not applicable or just leave those as not required. I also wonder on the, sorry, Michelle. I wonder on the beach question as well. I like that off season question. But if the lakeside beach has disappeared, I wonder if we have a question of, is there interest in finding another dog beach? So we can find out if there is interest in exploring what maybe could replace that if there is interest in getting dogs on beaches in a safe area during the summer. That is a fantastic idea. Thank you for that, Michelle. Does anybody else have any feedback on the survey? Okay, then I guess we will move on to item 4.2, which is the online assessment update that assessment has been submitted. Does anybody have information on that? Joe, did you have that? The submission for the online assessment. Do you have any info on that, Joe? If not, we would have to move that to the next meeting. Online assessment? Yes, the online assessment. I'm good with all that. I think she's asking about submitting it to Myers Corporation. Do we have all the information we needed, Joe? Or is there still some holes that we need to fill and finish that? As far as our side, I'd have to check with Abby. She was kind of, she was heading up that piece. So I couldn't answer that, I'm sorry. But from where we left off, we felt we had done as much as we could and it was for the rest of the committee to look over. So then that would be something we should send out with the next agenda so that they have that information review. I'm sorry, I'm having a little problem here with my camera. It doesn't seem to be wanting to work and I'm hoping I'm not over talking anybody. The next item on the agenda would be the review of the city pet ordinances, which is for discussion only. Betty, so again, I did send out a little piece on this by email. Hopefully it got to everybody because I just did a reply to all. But it was pretty interesting. I'm just run through some of them quick. Fountalac County allows pets on a leash with some restrictions. Manitowoc, they allow pets on a leash except for two beaches and three parks. So they have ones that they don't allow but for the most part they do. Milwaukee County allows on leash pets. Eau Claire, it looks like they allow on the leash pets in the parks, separate playground areas, beaches, posted areas, so restricted areas. Oshkosh does not allow pets in the parks. Appleton tried hard in 2016 to make some changes and they were denied. So they still do not allow pets in the parks. I sent also kind of a summary of Madison's. Madison's just changed this year, 2020, to allow more pets in park areas. So for the most part, they do allow pets in the parks. They have kicked some parks where they definitely are not allowed. And then basically the list of 20 feet from a playground, not in picnic areas, not in athletic fields that are enclosed, not on some fields when there's programmed activities. Other areas like Kiwanis where there's fields but they're not enclosed and they're not being programmed, then they're allowed. And again, these are all on leash items. So Sheboygan right now is right in the middle of some do, some don't, doesn't seem to be any right or wrong. It just seems to be what the community wants. So Madison would be, if we were going to open it up a little bit more, Madison would be a great example to look at. Joe, I think that's some great information. Thanks for doing that research. That'll help us out down the road. Thank you so much, Joe. We really appreciate all of your hard work on this. The next item on the agenda is closing of the meeting. Our next meeting date is scheduled for Wednesday, December 30th. In order to close the meeting, I need to get a motion to adjourn, please. Second. And do we have a second? Second. Second here in the council chambers. Thank you very much. Then we are adjourned because we have exhausted our agenda. Thank you everybody for your time today. We'll see you next month. Take care. Take care.