 Okay, so I think we can start. It's already nine o'clock. So thank you again, everyone, for joining our session this evening. I am Dr. Mel Acuvera, the Secretary of the Raja Kumar Movement. And yeah, so I would like to welcome you to our Young Doctors webinar two. This is in partnership between the Wonka Young Doctors Movement and the Raja Kumar Movement. So before we begin our session, let me just read to you some of our house rules. Please make sure to observe proper webinar etiquette at all times. Kindly make sure that your microphone is on mute. These are questions in the Q&A chat box. This session has real-time Spanish and Chinese translations to choose your preferred language as I have mentioned. Kindly click the interpretation button for your preferred language. This session is being recorded and broadcasted as mentioned by Dr. Harris on the Facebook page of Wonka. So kindly answer the evaluation form. The evaluation form link will be posted in the chat box near the end of the session. Should you have any concerns, kindly click the raise hand button and the TRM officers will be very glad to assist you. Okay, so let me welcome you all to this side of the world. From the Great Wall of China, to the pristine beaches of the Philippines, to the magnificent historic place of Bagan, to the Sydney Opera House, to Bali Indonesia and to the streets of Osaka in Japan. We welcome you to this region, the Asia-Pacific region. The Rajukumar movement is one of the seven young doctors movement, regional young doctors movement of Wonka. It includes the Spice Route movement, the Alrazi, the Afriwan, the Wanakai movement, the Polaris and the Vasco de Gama. The mission of the Rajukumar movement aims to represent, advocate and nurture new and future family physicians, exchange the perspective and share the best practices. And in family medicine, in general comes this hard entrepreneurship research, case management, as far as FMP60. To formally open our session, may we invite Dr. Anna Nunesbereta, the young doctor representative to the Wonka World Executive. Dr. Anna. Hello everyone. So, welcome to this second young doctors movement webinar. So we had our first young doctors movement webinar last year. And we started with this initiative because we believe that with all this situation that we are going through with all the COVID and everything so far apart that we needed to promote the activities of the young doctors movements so that we reach out to all the world. So, and that's why the young doctors movement for all over the world created these young doctors webinars. And so we are having one every two months. And the next one is scheduled already for the months of March. So we really hope that you enjoyed these webinars. Today, the topics were chosen related to them to your preference so there was an open poll for everyone to vote on and that is, that is why these topics are going to be presented. And I'm sure you will find them very interesting because all the speakers and and in this one is no exception to that we have splendid speakers from all over the world. And so that we can gather all the opinions and get this global feel across a small webinar like this one. So, welcome you all. Thank you for the speakers and I really hope that you enjoyed this moment. Thank you very much Dr Barata for that kind message to all of us. So to formally start our session so we invited as I mentioned we invited several young doctors speakers from the different part of the world. These are the different leaders in their respective careers other than medicine they also have their alternative careers. So, to our first speaker is Dr Phoebe Kimura. She is a medical teacher from Australia. Our second speaker is Dr Calhodebeck. He would talk about investment is from the United States of America. And then our third speaker is Dr Reina Alamedin. She will talk about health policy. And next would be Dr Siti Shuhaisam from Malaysia, who is a sports enthusiast and lastly Dr Kwanshanok or Dr Namoy who is a social media influencer. To start our first talk regarding medical teacher. Can we have Dr Phoebe please. Dr Phoebe. So let me just Dr Phoebe hello. Yes, I can hear you. Can you hear me. Yes, yes. Good. Okay, so I'll start again. I don't know what happened there. My name is Phoebe Holdenson Kimura and I'm a family medicine doctor based in Sydney, Australia. This is a picture of me with some of my colleagues working during COVID in Sydney. And my interest and passion for medical education is really founded on my desire to share my experience and joy of family medicine. When I'm thinking to myself why I'm involved in medical education, it's because I've actually always enjoyed teaching my peers and others, even from high school, I think. And I think if I hadn't studied medicine, then I would have been a teacher. I really enjoy passing on the joy of learning and being able to share my knowledge with others. And throughout my own career, I've benefited so much from other doctors who've mentored me and taken the time out to teach and guide me through my career. So I also really want to have a role in the development and professional identity formation of doctors as well. Next slide. I completed my family medicine training four years ago in 2017 and I've been involved in teaching since being a medical student myself. During my general practice training, I took the opportunity to do a one year work placement as an academic registrar, so that's doing 50% teaching and 50% research. I used innovative teaching strategies with medical students such as simulation and flipped classroom with the help of an amazing mentor which really improved my confidence. After finishing general practice training, I went to live and work in Cambodia for a year where I was supervising family medicine trainees at a regional hospital. When I returned to Sydney, Australia, I started a medical education job with an organisation called GP Synergy, a training organisation for family medicine trainees. That was two days a week. And in the last year, I've taken on a lecturing role with Sydney University one day a week where I'm responsible for running the community medicine rotation for the third year medical students there. And in that role, I'm involved in teaching, lecturing, writing exams and marking. I've also sought the input of professors and mentors in my professional development as a teacher. And recently I've completed the certificate of essential skills in medical education through AMI, which is the Association of Medical Education in Europe. I'd highly recommend this certificate for anybody who's interested in developing their skills in medical education. There's a discounted fee for doctors from low and middle income countries and it's really, really good course. At some point, I'd hope to complete a Masters in medical education. Next slide. I've got some particular interests within medical education. The first being mental health, both of doctors themselves but also of our community and our patients. And I think that family medicine doctors are really well placed to provide mental health care for our patients and with some extra skills that we can really make a difference in the lives of our patients. The second interest I have is in reflective practice. Reflective practice is the ability to reflect on one's actions to engage in a process of continuous learning. Albert Einstein is widely credited with saying that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and again and expecting different results. So it's a way to think about doing things differently and innovate in order to try and achieve different results. And I like to teach my students a lot about reflection, whether that's through motivation or interviewing. I'm currently on maternity leave with my second son, but prior to that I was working three short clinical days. One day with Sydney University and one and a half days with GP synergy. And I do some work as well with the Black Dog Institute in doing professional education around mental health. I feel now that I'd never really want to be a full-time teacher or a full-time clinician. I think that the clinical work that I do helps me to be a better teacher. It keeps my teaching up to date and relevant and connected to the joys and challenges of consulting with patients. And in the same token, teaching really helps me to be a better clinician. My teaching role involves a lot of collaboration with colleagues, which I find to be so much fun. And I do find that my clinical work can be quite isolating. Learning from other colleagues gives me different perspectives and new ideas about how to approach clinical challenges. One of my favorite parts of my job is actually doing something called a clinical teaching visit, which is where I get to sit in on general practice family medicine trainees for half a day and watch them consult and then give them feedback in real time about how they're going and give them some ideas about their consultation style and practice. This has added benefit, I guess, of giving me the opportunity to reflect on my own practice and improve the way that I work. I also wanted to just talk briefly here about the risk of burnout, though. Burnout is a state of emotional, physical and mental exhaustion caused by excessive and prolonged stress. And it can happen when it happens, you can feel overwhelmed, emotionally drained and unable to meet constant demands. I do think that there's a risk when you start taking on extra roles outside of clinical work to develop burnout. And I know that a lot of doctors do suffer from burnout. So I guess it's just something that we need to be aware of when we put up our hands and say yes to new roles. Because I find that the work tends to bleed into other days. So, for example, I'll be checking results of my patients on the days that I'm not seeing patients and writing emails for the university on the days that I'm not working. So I find that it is harder for me to switch off and, you know, you need to put some strategies into place to make sure that you're still looking after yourself. Next page. I believe that my role in medical education places me well to advocate for primary care. The key to advocacy, I believe, is through passion, through being passionate and being good at what you do. I'm so passionate about family and community medicine as a wonderful and meaningful career where you can really make a big change in the lives of the patients that you serve and the community that you live in. This is a picture of me working in rural northern territory and this is me actually working in a hospital and this is a patient who presented to the emergency department. But in all seriousness, I do think that it's really important for family medicine doctors to be involved in teaching for medical students by being there as a role model and promoting family medicine as a really good career choice. I think historically, particularly in Australia, it's been mostly hospital based doctors who make up the university faculty and the curriculum itself is often weighted towards hospital based care. This is a really big problem because the majority of care is actually provided in the community and so medical students can get a very skewed view of what medicine is about. So it's so important for medical students to meet family medicine doctors early in their education and to gain an understanding of primary care. And it's really important as well to be teaching primary care concepts well, that's, you know, longitudinal care, multi-morbidity, holistic care, multi-disciplinary teams, the social determinants of health and dealing with uncertainty in a consultation and helping patients with psychosocial issues. Family medicine doctors are the experts in all of this. And I really believe that we're so well placed to be teaching this to our medical students and our junior doctors. It's also a great way to promote cross-disciplinary learning and collaboration, which is something that I am able to do in both of my teaching roles. And also to be able to network with other family medicine doctors and allied health professionals like pharmacists and physiotherapists who are working in my area. Next slide please. I just wanted to let you know about this organization. It's a not-for-profit organization based in Australia called Creative Careers in Medicine. And it's basically an organization that helps doctors who are considering part-time or full-time work in non-clinical capacities. And they just, they have an excellent podcast that you can access through their website. I know that there are five different alternative careers being presented tonight, and I'm really excited to hear all of that. But this is a way that you could hear about, you know, hundreds of different alternative careers as well. Also, I wanted to say, if you're interested in medical education, just give it a go and see whether it suits you. You can always start with the small things, like agreeing to have a medical student sitting with you for a clinical placement, or just taking a little bit more interest in the junior doctor who's following you around in the hospital. And then gradually you can increase your knowledge and confidence with teaching and decide if you want to take on a more formalized role. I also, I'd like to say that more broadly, I've found that diversifying my role from being a full-time clinician has been so wonderful and rewarding. It's, wearing other hats has kept me interested in engaging in my career. I know some of us are suited to working full-time clinically, but many of us do find family medicine challenging and exhausting, even though we do find it enjoyable. And diversifying your career can be one way to increase your satisfaction with your clinical work and potentially invest in the longevity of your clinical career. Thank you so much. I look forward to hearing from the rest of the panelists tonight. Thank you. Thank you, Dr. Phoebe, for sharing your experiences in being a medical teacher. If you have any questions, please kind of place them in the Q&A chat box. Okay, so our next speaker, our second speaker who will talk about investment is Dr. Kyle Hodebet. He's a fellow of the American Academy of Family Physicians. He has numerous master's degree, including in business administration and presently he is involved in advising and consulting in several business and investments. Dr. Kyle, please. Hi, thank you for the kind introduction. Again, Kyle Hodebet out of Dallas, Texas here in the US and it's a pleasure to be here today. Next slide please. So, again, just my intro, some of my credentials there. Next slide please. A little bit about what I'm going to talk about here. Those pictures are from the most recent Wonka world and Seoul, where I was fortunate enough to be living at the time and able to meet a lot of you here. And then the top picture is a Polaris conference we had in Trinidad Tobago back in 2015-16 timeframe. Next slide please. So a little bit about my background. I think I'm probably unusual from the get-go from the start. I went through the US Military Academy at West Point, had a lot more hair back then, as you can see. And then went on to medical school followed by family medicine residency. I did some traditional roles, but in uniform, so I worked in a hospital, worked in outpatient clinics. And then I also did some unusual things like being the physician embedded into units such as the 82nd Airborne and other combat units that actually needed providers to take care of the soldiers in the unit as well as make recommendations for the unit commander. In that regard, I was able to not only become an expert in those areas, flight medicine and combat medicine, but also able to take part in a lot of those events like jumping out of airplanes, jumping out of helicopters, and doing fun things like that as well. On the academic side, similar to Phoebe, I really enjoy teaching as well. So I have been involved as an assistant professor on that front. Also got involved and helped create Polaris as was mentioned is the Young Doctors Movement for North America, which didn't exist when, when I joined Wonka. And then lastly, I love publishing so published. That's one of my books. I have a couple books. Well, one book, several chapters in several peer reviewed publications. So all things that you could do both in my role as well as in any role here to tell you the truth. Next slide please. I remember about 10 years in the military along the more clinical track. And then, as Phoebe mentioned that I was doing inpatient medicine outpatient medicine deliveries to hospice care in multiple locations and it just really got kind of burned out. I was out of the military in 2019 and I was really just looking for a new opportunity at that time. And I know that the topic specifically is about investing. And I'll go into that here shortly, but actually found an interesting opportunity with a health insurance company called Oscar Health. And that kind of does go into this investing. So it was a startup here within the last eight to nine years and I came on as the medical director. So I get that that role on the insurance side which is totally different than the clinical side, but I'm still able to practice medicine both either in person or through telemedicine as well so it's quite, it's quite an interesting role. And then I also took that desire and and knack for teaching from the academic, you know, as assistant professor in medicine to the business side for coaching and advising. So, especially startups with big businesses as well, that's which is why Oscar hired me on, which is now a $4.3 billion company as of this month. Needs medical professionals to help guide them in making decisions for their organization for patients or to just see if an idea makes sense. So we have the unique ability to do that with our medical background or clinical experience. So that's the real reason that took me into this. These new waters was that interest to be on the spear tip of medicine to change the status quo, and to really improve our health care systems. So we took another step and that was into angel investing. This comes in a couple of different flavors. So, again, I mentioned I like being on the forefront of innovation in these small startup companies are the ones that, in my opinion are the ones that were most pushing the envelope, most taking us to that next level. I work for those both as an advisor role but also as an investment. I'm assuming that everyone here has hopefully has some sort of plan how to take care of themselves in the future, and when they retire should they want to retire. So this has also become a part of my investing strategy. In addition to the stock market real estate angel investing, which used to be just for you know the multi million billionaires is now for the everyday person. In other parts of the world and maybe different but here in the US. It is now open to pretty much anybody who has $100 or more that they want to invest, they can now angel invest as well. So just with that being stated, you just have to remember there's the risk and the reward. It's eight to nine out of 10 so 80 to 90% of startups fail. So you have to take that into account and really do your due diligence and research before investing and getting involved. But the potential upside is very good. For example, a recent investment, taking a $25,000 investment and coming out with a $10 million earning in my portfolio so that is not the usual case. So that is something that can happen in a very real scenario. So these are a couple of the organizations that I either one have invested in and or do some some advisory work as far as their physician advisor. Next slide please. I think you mentioned that you do have to take that care to balance your practice and any side jobs that you do do know I was in the boat that being pure clinical was just burning me out so I think going pulling back and doing part time non clinical component through both investing and on the insurance side has really helped balance my life and I believe my quality of life is actually better at this point. The non clinical life I'm not on call. I'm not having to work late crazy hours, unless I want to. And at times the pay is actually a lot better than clinical work so it's, it's, it's could be lucrative on that side as well. So scheduling is important. Remember, either think outside the box so maybe before what I would just be doing my elliptical machine mount now maybe I'm taking a call or doing a follow up and on the elliptical machine. So I'm trying to be smart with my time. Maybe while I'm preparing meals for my kids I'll be, I'll be on a chat, something we probably do anyways but taking that from something that is just filling time to being productive as well. There are quite interesting discussions with patients you know when you're trying to figure out what do I say to a new patient beyond their medical history. Sometimes when you talk about these other, I guess what do you do in your life and oh well I'm, I created a startup to solve X, Y or Z. That is interesting tell me about that and you may be able to make some sort of bond or relationship beyond the clinical setting as well. That's an amazing way to network to tell you the truth. The gentleman there is the, the co founder, his name is Mike Gordon he's a co founder of Teladoc and if you're not familiar with Teladoc it is the largest telemedicine platform in the world. Started up here in Dallas and it's now valued at just under 30 billion US dollars. So you'd meet some really cool people like that. So next slide please. So how do I continue to advocate for family medicine primary care and my alternative roles. So one of the cooler things is through my job at Oscar on the insurance side. So we also have a group of portion that does clinical medicine, not just reviews medical cases on the insurance side. We have a pilot right now because primary care is so important and it's been so limited. We're scared to go in and see their physician because of coven. We have a pilot for a 100% digital primary care experience. So it's not primary care for urgent care for medicine refills for I have a cold, I need a six slip to get to work. Those types of things it's, it's actually taking on the primary care role digitally. I just blows my mind because of the limitations and getting around those limitations in order to provide that one digital experience to maintain or surpass the quality there. So that's, that's one way that we are advocating for family medicine. Additionally, within my investment roles, able to promote new technologies that give us better insights and help help us not only treat but prevent chronic problems like diabetes, hypertension, you name it. So taking advantage of those and integrating those into primary care medicine. And then lastly, leadership family medicine, or GPs, we interact and connect with society. We have relationships, we have bonds, and then we're also interact with every single specialty of medicine out there. So we, we, I'm not an expert in, in spinal surgery, but I interacted them and I know when they're best able to serve my patient. And then if they need something, they can, they can discuss their care with me. So we're at that great gatekeeper, as well as that broad view of medicine in order to take health care within your system and globally to the next level. So I think any family physician any GP really sits in an optimal position for leadership, as well as, as just being able to make the biggest impact in health care. Next slide. That may be my last slide. Thank you for your time, everybody. Thank you so much, Dr. Kyle for sharing your tips and investment and your experiences in investment. Our next speaker who will talk about health policy is Dr. Rina Alamedin. She is the National Liaison for Lebanon at Alrazi Young Doctors Movement. She has master's degree in health policy and is involved in several community engagement for public health and primary health care in Lebanon. She's fluent in three languages in English, Spanish, in English, Arabic, and French. So Dr. Rina, please. Thank you so much. Thank you, Mal, for this introduction. Thank you everyone for joining us today. Hello. It's such a great pleasure to be talking to you today and sharing with you my journey and health policy and to be among the wonderful panelists today. So thank you for this. My name is Rina Alamedin. I'm a family doctor from Lebanon. And next slide please. So for those of you who don't know where is Lebanon. So we're a very tiny country on the east of the Mediterranean Sea, just next to Syria and Palestine. We are a population of around 7 million and we host around 1.5 million refugees, Syrian and Palestinian refugees, which makes us the country with the highest ratio of refugees to host in the world. We were classified as a middle income country by the World Bank, but we expect to be declassified soon because Lebanon has been struggling with a very bad financial crisis, and we had a very horrible explosion which rocked Beirut in August in 2020. There were many casualties and lots of damage. And now we're having a ferocious fight with the second wave of COVID-19. And most of the health sector before all of this has happened, we did have a relatively well performing health sector. So our health sector is very much privatized. And we have around 36% of the population who need to pay out of pocket to access healthcare. But overall we have a good performance which is which is reflected by good health indicators, such as life expectancy and child mortality. And also we managed to decrease the total health expenditure out of the GDP over the past years which was which was really something very good. So next slide please. Next slide please. Thank you. So I'm going to share with you today why I chose health policy. What is the field of health policy? What do we mean when we say health policy? How does it intersect with primary care? So and this is a personal view and how to advocate for primary care while working in health policy. Next slide please. So this is my journey. I obtained my medical degree in 2014 from the American University of Beirut, where I also did four years of training in family medicine. I finished in 2018. And then I worked for a year at AUB as well where I was working as a chief resident of family medicine and I was involved in an audit initiative for a national project that aimed at strengthening primary healthcare in the country. And I have just finished my master's in health policy from Imperial College London just two months ago. So next slide please. So where did it all start and why did I choose this track? Why did I choose this field? Actually there were many triggers during the journey. I was practicing at a tertiary care private hospital which had top notch technology, top notch resources. You know everything seemed so perfect and life was just, life looked perfect from inside I would say the hospital doors. But actually as part of our training as well, we had to attend to the care of socioeconomically deprived population. So I used to drive like 10 minutes outside my hospital where I used to train. And I will be faced with people who couldn't afford healthcare, who couldn't pay for their medications, who couldn't pay to do blood tests to do imaging. So there was really this dichotomy that I was facing all the time during my training and which really made me feel that the word outside the hospital is very much different from what is inside. And the health system in Lebanon was suffering from significant health gaps. And as I told you before around 36% of the population need to pay out of pocket to access good quality care. So we really had a problem in Lebanon. But also during my training, besides being exposed to different socio economic groups, I was also very lucky to have the opportunity to spend four weeks in the UK, where I had the chance to observe GPS working at the National Health System. And this experience has opened my eyes to advocacy. I was very much impressed by the way the health system over there was structured. And, you know, when you come from a privatised healthcare system and then you will get to see a system where people access care free of charge. You know, I had the chance to contrast between the two systems so I started asking myself lots of questions. Next slide please. So, with all of this in mind, I was really trying to understand why are things the way they are in Lebanon, why our health system is so different and why despite we are different, we still achieve to have good performance. And I asked myself, what would be my role as a family doctor in this system? So am I just supposed to deliver healthcare to my patients? Is there something else for me to do? And all of these dilemmas were happening at a time where primary care was gaining such a momentum worldwide and attending Wonka conferences being in Seyul as well and hearing all the talk about the role of primary care to achieve universal health coverage. And this is the only way to have a head for all. So for me, they seem to be something beyond pure clinical practice that can actually drive or shape my role as a family doctor. And at the personal level, I was also slightly apprehensive towards the business model of not just primary care but medical practice in general in Lebanon. I knew that when I was going to graduate, I have to compete in a very difficult market that had an oversupply of physicians. So if I were to sustain myself in such a market, I had to work really hard in order to attract patients who are willing to pay hefty amount of dollars for consultations so that I can sustain myself in this privatized health sector. And I wasn't feeling very keen to be part of this business model. So this is when I was actually became interested in things beyond medical practice. And this is where I explored the field of health systems and health policy research. Next slide please. So health policy and systems research is actually an interdisciplinary field. So it combines anthropology, sociology, economics, epidemiology, public health and political science. So when you're actually in this field, you need to have a wide-angle perspective to look into things. You need to look into health matter from different perspective, from the perspective of a policymaker, of an economist, of a public health. And the field itself, it aims at understanding and improving how societies organize themselves to achieve collective health goals. Next slide please. So health policy research itself, it tries to understand how different actors interact in policy implementation to achieve policy outcomes. And we say actors, we're talking about all the different stakeholders such as the state, the government, the private sector, the non-governmental organizations. In the field of health systems, health systems looks into equity, quality, efficiency and coverage. So when you combine health systems and health policy, it's like when you are combining evidence and medicine, you have evidence-based medicine. But in the field of health policy, you have evidence-based policymaking. So you use the information that is generated by health systems research in order to produce evidence-informed policy decisions. Next slide please. So, when we talk about health policy, we always use this famous triangle which was developed by Walt and Gilson, and this pretty much summarizes the essence of what health policy work is about. It's really about understanding the cornerstones in health policy, which are the context, the content and the process, and which actually are all, which evolves around the actors or the stakeholders. So when we say context, we're talking about the milieu or the environment where the policy is being implemented. And this is shaped by the situational factors, the political conditions. So there's lots of political science when we talk health policy as well, because we're trying to understand why certain health issues have reached the agenda of politicians and of decision-makers. When we talk about the content, we're talking about what the policy is about. So we're talking about the objectives of the health policy, what's the plan for the implementations, what are the expected hurdles and gaps and so on. And the process of policy making, which is never linear, which basically where you start from agenda setting to move towards policy formulation and then policy implementation. But this process is very rarely linear streamlined process, actually policy makers and decision makers, they muddle through a lot in order to reach the policy outcomes. And all of these are actually structured around the actors who have different interests, who have different values, different boundaries, and you need to understand the dynamics between the actors in order to help them meet what they need and ultimately achieve the best outcome of your policy. Next slide please. So, how does it all intersect with primary care? I mean, why would the primary care doctor be interested in health policy and health systems research? This is how I personally see it. I think health care or health delivery, there's an upstream and downstream component. Downstream, you have the basic scientific research which produces knowledge that ultimately feeds into medicine, the practice of medicine. So we as family doctors are involved in basically delivering health care, preventative services to our patients and so on. But we are part of the system, we're not working in silos and upstream, there are people who are actually taking decisions, sometimes they're taking decisions on our behalf, and they shape the system where we work, the organizations where we work at so many levels at the financing level at the governance level, information, technology, and so on. So it makes lots of sense for me as a family doctor being part of the system to be able to have an influence on what happens at an upstream level. But mind you, it's not very straightforward because it's so hard to make an impact and to influence what happens at an upstream level. But in my personal perspective, having an academic background in health policy and being well-rounded and well-surrounded and understanding different stakeholders gives me really a solid background to advocate for primary care. And to say, I know my patients well, I know the system and the context where I work, therefore I can better advise, recommend on health policy decisions. Next slide please. So this is what I do at the moment. I'm a medical director of a primary health care center in Beirut. So this is where basically I work as a family physician, and at the same time I have some administrative responsibilities as well. I'm also a clinical instructor at Beirut Arab University, and this is where I can interact with medical students and I can start infuse the idea of health policy and systems research of advocacy as well. So I think just as Dr. Phoebe mentioned, it's advocacy and medical education are very much connected and having this opportunity to talk to medical students and introduce them to concepts of health policy of sound decision making is also very important. And I'm also a clinical research associate at a consultancy company, which is basically concerned with clinical health economics and outcomes research. And in this consultancy company, we interact with lots of stakeholders such as the government, the Ministry of Public Health, and other non-governmental organizations. And the output of our work at the consultancy company usually feeds into the decision making of health policy makers. Next slide please. Next. Thank you. So this is my final slide. I just want to share with you some thoughts. I think that it's a very interesting mix, the clinical practice and what I call the other word. The other word be the word of the policy makers, decision makers, economists, the WHO and so on. So it's a very interesting mix and it's a way really to practice systems thinking, which is very much about understanding the constituents of the system and how they interact between each other. And I believe us as primary care doctors, we are particularly skilled in this domain because we work across different disciplines. We interact with different specialists and with different fields and we understand very well how the health system where we practice. So it makes perfect sense actually to be involved in policy making, decision making, and also we're better equipped to advocate for our patients, but also for family medicine itself. On top of that, you know, doing different things mixing between medical practice and health policy and systems. It allows you to interact with different minds and different mindsets. So it's very interesting to be working in the morning with nurses and doctors and then in the afternoon you'd be working with people who come from completely different background there's so much to learn from them. Yet I think for me without changing hats and what I mean by this, I'm a family doctor everywhere. So in the clinic I'm a family doctor and in my work in the consultancy job I'm also a family doctor. So I have the spirit of a family physician I advocate for primary care wherever I am. And, and lastly, I think having different dimensions to our work be it medical practice teaching investment, being active in the health policy field. It helps you avoid burnout because every day is a new challenge. There's no routine. Sometimes you don't know what to expect. So really it's a good, it's a good defense mechanism against burnout. So that's what I wanted to say. Thank you so much for listening. Thank you so much, Dr. Raina. I think you truly highlighted that we are the specialty or the type of doctors who are very involved in the social determinants of health and in the primary health care so thank you for that one. Moving on to our next speaker, who will talk about sports is Dr. City from Malaysia. Dr. City is actually the chief representative of the Malaysia to the Rajah Kumar movement. She is a multi talented young doctor. She participated and won several sports related events, such as in marathon swimming and biking. Apart from being a sports enthusiast is also a practicing family physician, a singer, a business owner, a mother and a wife. Dr. City, please. Thank you, Mel, for a great introduction. Hi. Good morning. Good afternoon and good evening to all of you. Hi, I'm Dr. Sue or Dr. City. You can call me either one. I am very much honored to be invited as one of the panelists today in this webinar alternative career for young doctors. And I would also like to congratulate the Rajah Kumar movement and Wonka Young Doctors movements for organizing this interesting webinar. I may not be the best person to talk on the topic but I'll try my best to share my experience and my career journey with all of you. Next slide please. So, let me introduce myself. My full name is City Shirazam. You can call me City or Sue. Mel. All right, so I graduated in 2004 and I pursued family medicine and passed my MBFB FRC GP exams in 2011. I'm currently a family physician or a GP, you can call it. I own a clinic in Selangor, Malaysia, and this year marks the 11th anniversary of my clinic, which is clinic Sue family. I took certificate in teaching in family medicine in 2016 and I received a fellowship of Academy of Family Physicians of Malaysia in 2018. As I mentioned by Mel, I'm a wife and mother of three kids aged 17, 16, and nine. So, some of you might wonder by now how old am I, right? Because my kids are all big already. So I'm not that young to be honest. I'm 42 years old this year. Okay, Mel. All right, so this is me doing yoga at the clinic and this is my beautiful family. Okay, next slide please. Okay, so I've been asked, why did I choose the alternative career and how did I end up in that role? In my case, I have three different alternative careers on top of my profession as a family physician. I am a mentor or a teacher and an examiner for the Academy of Family Physicians of Malaysia. I teach or shall I say supervised postgraduate students pursuing family medicine under the Academy of Family Physicians of Malaysia. And the number of students that I supervise can be around four to 10 students per semester. As to balance out teaching, family sports and baking, I usually limit the number of students under me so that I can spend a good quality of time with them during the mentor sessions, as well as going through their assignments. Okay, and yeah, I'm a sports enthusiast. I do a lot of sports but my main now is swim, bike and run. I will touch on this a little bit later and I am also a baker. Okay, I have a small business, a small home business called Dr. Sue's Homemade. Okay, next now. All right, this is the picture of me with my students during one of the mentor sessions. I have the session usually mostly on weekends and around once or twice a month. And these two are the pictures of me conducting the Part 2 MFB FRC GP examinations recently. You know, because of this unfortunate COVID-19 situations, we had to do the Part 2 examinations online. It was a very valuable experience for me. Okay, and now let's move on to the more interesting alternative careers that I have, at least for me. It's actually non-medical related. I was a sports woman. I have always been an active person. My exercise is a big part of my life. For me, sports is life. I started off with running actually. Next slide, Mel. Okay, all right, I started off with running. It was late 2015 when a good friend of mine asked me to join her for a 5pm running event which involved medical stuff. I told her, you know, are you crazy? I've never ran more than 5pm before. Usually what I do is run, walk, run, walk. And she said to me, that is why I'm telling you now so that you can train. So I told her, okay, so let's do this, you know, because I like to challenge myself. So I started running and since then running has been a big part of my life. I would spend a good time for running. Be it early in the morning as early as 4am sometimes. I would wake up and run before work and in the evening after work. So I do that on most days, including weekends where we runners usually do long runs on weekends. And usually after running as runners, we will share our run with friends who enjoy running as well. And one day one of a few of my friends told me that I have a very good pace and I have the potential to, you know, in running. And so I thought, yeah, why not? You know, why not I challenge myself? So I started to train seriously. I followed training, structured training programs and stuff, and I started to take part in running events. How to say I started to race, actually, because sometimes you take part in running events to run with your friends, have fun and things like that. But I started to race in running events. So this, okay, as you can see in this slide, these are the pictures of me running with friends doing marathons, 10km, 12km, you know, a lot of running events. Okay, next Mel. Alright, so and this are some of the pictures of me being on podiums and it was actually fun. Because I usually spend the price money on running shoes, running attires and other stuff. And you know, people say that running is the cheapest sport, which is actually, how to say, it can be true if you run just for fun, and it is so untrue if you run, if you are a serious runner. Alright, you have to spend a lot of money on shoes, on running attires and stuff. So apart from using my salary fully on buying all this, I use the price money. Alright, so as said before, it's not just because of the money, the money is more because of the fun, the satisfactions to be in the running community itself, to have new friends made along the way and a lot more. You know, when people ask me, what, what do I get from doing all this sports? I told them, you know, what do I earn? And I'll tell them, yeah, my standing fake, you know, because being in medical profession, it is sometimes stressful. Agree? Alright, okay. And having been said that, if you are a potential runner, or if you are a runner with high followers on social media, and of course with a good profile, you may be lucky enough to become brand ambassadors. You know, some of my doctor friends are brand ambassadors for ASICS, Nikes, Catchers, Smartwatches, you name it. So it can be a good career as well. But of course it comes with responsibility, you have to be committed to the brands and you have to be fully involved in running events, clinics, campaigns and also doing advertisements and stuff. Okay. Alright. Well, okay, and for me, my biggest achievement last year, since there was no, you know, all races last year were cancelled because of COVID-19. I was supposed to, you know, I have been selected as a PASA in this very big running event, the Kuala Lumpur standard charted marathons. You have this standard charted marathons in other countries as well. So, as being a PASA, all of us, PASAs were sponsored head to toe by Under Armour, but because of this unfortunate COVID-19 situation, the event is postponed to this year, but we don't know what will happen this year. So we just look and see. Alright. Okay. Alright. Alright. So, in late 2019, I suffered a running injury, quite a major one. I was on plantar fascia and starting from there, I started to learn how to swim. You know, I told myself that, you know, I can't be just sitting down doing nothing since I couldn't run, why not I try other sports. I hired a personal coach to correct my swimming techniques and until now swimming has been part of my sports journey. And this is me swimming in the open water. And yes, I started cycling too. Well, yeah, to complete the swim bike run, I have to start cycling, you know, because by doing this tree, I can label myself as a tri-tree. Alright. And I enjoy doing all these three sports. And all this requires a lot of time. But if you are very dedicated to what you are doing, you will find time to do all that. Alright. And at this point, at this point of time, some of you might be thinking, alright, okay, man. Okay, so these three sports are what I do now. I swim, I bike and I ride. Alright. And at this point, some of you might be thinking, you know, being a doctor is crazy enough. Why need another career? I somewhat agree with that statement, especially now that we are dealing with COVID-19. But hopefully time will get better in the future and all of you young doctors and venture in other things that you love, that you are dreaming to do all this while. Just remember that you have to have passion. Your passion will drive you to do the things you love, things you treasure that makes your endorphins go high, that brings down your stress level, you know, because being a doctor is sometimes stressful. But of course, I love being a doctor and medical teacher as well. So just go for it. Okay, this is the major earnings. We are not just talking about, you know, a career that brings you money, because this gives you the satisfaction. Alright. Okay. And last but not least, I'm also a baker. Alright. I have, as told, I have a small business called Dr. Sue's Covey Cookies. And this business actually contributes a lot to my spending on handbags and shoes. And this is my weakness. I like handbags. I like shoes and all that. And I think this as rewards to, you know, you've been working for so hard. I mean, all year round, you have to reward yourself. Okay. And then, you know, I started this small business back in 2014 out of my passion for baking chocolate cookies. And my family loved the cookies. And so do my friends to when they tasted the cookies they wanted more and they started to put in orders. So I thought, yeah, why not, why not just, you know, have this small business. And of course, this business has its ups and downs, downs usually, because I don't really have time to bake them, especially when I have to train for certain important events and stuff. But I make sure to spend some time to bake from time to time, especially during festive seasons. And it's really, really rewarding when people wanting more as some of my patients, they call the clinic just to ask whether that's cookies available. Nothing medically related. And at present, I have back orders for my new chocolate chip cookie version for the heart milk chocolate chip cookies. Okay. All right. So, male. All right, so how do I successfully combine medical practice and the alternative career. I am known as Dr. Sue among my friends, my followers and my patients. They usually promote family care, prevent the medicine, medicine to them. They will come to me. They will refer to me if they have any problems with medically and if they want to do, you know, medical screening and stuff like that. And I have patients who follow me on social media. And they usually come to me asking me about sports and, you know, how to join the sports when they have some sort of sports injury, they will come to me and they will actually discuss with me and things like that. And for my cookies, some of my patients, they ask for less sugar cookies and usually I will make them what they ask me to do. And they really, you know, of course I use premium ingredients and stuff, but if I don't, they will trust me too because I'm a doctor. And I am known as a male. But can you click more? Okay, and I am known as a doctor, a doctor baker who makes healthy yummy cookies. All right, so what's next, what's next for me. Oh, and how do I advocate for health for health primary care family medicine in my alternative careers. I think I've already answered that in the previous slide. This is the picture of my husband and I in front of my clinic and this my two nurses. And so what's next for me as I have a dream that has yet to become reality, which is to open up my own cafe or a bakery. And in sports, I dream to become an Ironman. So this two will be next for me. So stay safe everyone. And if you have questions for me, if you have, if you are interested in sports and you don't know how to actually start your journey, you can always DM me, you can follow my IG. Okay. Thank you. Thank you so much, Dr. City for that very wonderful presentation and we're looking forward to taste those cookies in the next one convention and I think and I think you said it best when you said that you need to have the passion to pursue the things that you love. So thank you so much, Dr. City. Moving on to our last speaker, but definitely not the list. We'll talk about being a social media influencer. It's Dr. Kwanshanok Homsang Pradeep. She's a family doctor and a medical teacher at the Mahidon University in Bangkok, Thailand. She has a diploma in sexual medicine. She is the founder of Nong Sao Facebook page with over 260,000 followers. Dr. Kwanshanok, please. Thank you for the mail for an introduction. Hello everyone, my name is Kwanshanok Homsang Pradeep. My nickname is Nam-Oi. Today I will share an alternative career as a social media influencer. Next slide, please. First, I want to introduce you to know my page. The page is on the Facebook platform and the name of the page is Nong Sao, which means little sister in Thai and also a slang for vagina in a cute way. Next slide, please. Okay, I create a page for more than a year now. I write an article and my friend draw an illustration. And now we have 260,000 followers. The main objective of the page is to provide education for Thai people. So it was written in Thai. And the main audience is to provide the information for Thai women. So if you want to see my page, you can go on the Facebook and search for little sister and you do on the right hand side. Next, please. The idea that I start the page has come up when I was in a residency training. I noticed a gap of sexual health care service. When we mentioned about sexual health, we might think of sexually transmitted infection and contraception, but sexual function is something that we might actually overlook. For example, men with erectile dysfunction, he knows that he should go to urologist to take some advice, but for women, women with low sexual desire or women with unable to achieve orgasm. They do not know which doctor they should go. And there is no sex therapist in Thailand too. So the very big dream for me is like to develop a better sexual health care in Thailand. Creating a page is one of the ways to achieve that dream. Next, in my part of view, I think that the holistic care that we learn from family medicine can be applied into the sexual medicine. It is said that biopsychosocial model is a recommended approach in sexual medicine. That's why I think family doctor can provide a great good care in this aspect too. Next, please. So let's get back to my page. The content that I provide in the page is include every aspect of sexual health, including sexual desire, sexual function and also other common issue. The concept is to provide an education in non-judgmental way and including every gender variation LGBTQ inclusive by using a gender neutral language. The main theme that I always mention about is to promote the natural self care and avoid unnecessarily intervention like surgery or whitening cream for that part. This is to empower women to love themselves as the way they are. The picture on the right side is one of the pictures at the previous slide is one of the illustration in my page to give an idea of the vava diversity. So we don't have to be a very ideal vava in the textbook or in the pornography. Next, please. I'm creating a page for a while. It got so very good response and so do the inbox message is full of followers ask me about their health that I cannot handle it anymore. We create a chatbot to answer the repetitive frequency ask question, but I also answer some of the question to because some case is very specific and need my help to answer that, because there's still barrier to for them to go to the health service, especially in the teenage. This I also create a woman only private group in Facebook, try to promote a safe space for women to discuss about their sexual health issue. I learned many things from, from creating the Facebook page, because I got so many interesting questions from the inbox, and I, I learned from these ideas to improve my own practice and I also share it with my students. And the other thing is the, the Facebook page can be a way to make an appointment to see me at the sexual health clinic in Lama to put the hospital. Next, please. Okay. Being a social media influencer gave me a lot of benefit, but not the profit. The first thing is, it helped me a lot enhancing my current professional career as a family doctor and medical teacher. It helped me developing my writing skill. And I also learned some of new knowledge about social media platform, such as online marketing and how to create a good content, which I will not go into detail in this session. I have a great chance to become a book writer, which it, I always dream to be. And on the right coincide is, is my first book that it written in Thai, just in case some of you might interest. And the other thing is I have a chance to be a guest speaker and work with international team, like today. Thank you again for inviting me. Next, please. And click more. Okay, whatever. This is the end of the slide. I gave you a contact of an email just in case that you want to contact me, consulting about being a social media influencer, or maybe your own sexual health if I can give an advice to that. If you feel free to email me. The email is little sis cat at gmail.com. Thank you for your attention. Thank you so much Dr. Nam or for sharing your being a social media influencer and their reach and the help that you're giving to different Thai women. And I think sexual health is really something that is stable in most Asian countries even even here in the Philippines and I think in some of the countries in the world. So I think this is a very relevant topic. So, moving on now to our open forum, I have been reading lots, lots of very nice comments from our participants and they are very inspired with your talk today. With the things that you shared so may I please invite our speakers to have the quite just a few of the question and answer. So, we gathered all the questions here in zoom and also on Facebook, we're in we are live. So I think I'll start with the first question. How do you manage with all the things that you are doing being a social media influencer or being a policy advocate or being a investment expert or in the sports, or in medical education as a medical teacher. How do you manage your work and life balance so maybe we can start with Dr. TV. That's a really good question. My mentors told me a year ago that one of the most important things is to learn how to say no. And so she said, you've got to be slow to say yes and fast to say no. And that sounds very harsh, but I think if we say yes to every opportunity that comes our way then we end up doing a bad job at everything because we either get burnt out, or we're just so time for that we can't prepare properly. I guess that's one of my things is, you know, and the seasons in life and for me at the moment I have a three month old baby so you know that this is a season where I have to say no lots of lots of the time and I think that that's okay. So just knowing what your what what what's your priority at a particular point in time is really important. Yes, I think that's very important learning to say no so I think we all need to learn how to say no. Dr. TV. How about Dr. Kyle. How do you manage your work in life balance. I agree 100% with learn to say, say no on the investment side I'll get 2030 pitch decks which are startups just trying to push and get, you know, advanced their company so I'll review the deck but I mean, there are a lot of really good ideas out there and you can get involved with hundreds and hundreds of good ideas so you have to save yourselves for the great ones. So that's what I do is, I just find something that one I'm passionate about to I think is a really good idea and is going to make a difference. And then three, my wife's not going to kill me. All those three things together tend to work out. That's my advice. Thank you Dr. Kyle for that wonderful advice. And yes, Dr. Kyle actually has been actually he gave us the opportunity to talk more about investment and business in the previous radical more movement entrepreneurship session so thank you for that Dr. Kyle. Dr. Raina would you like to give some tips on how do you manage your work in life balance. Okay, so again, I echo what Dr. Phoebe and Dr. Kyle just said in terms of knowing when to say no. I would add to that. I think two things one, trying to spare weekends for what really matters which I think family, as much as possible. And number two is it's okay to mess the life work balance sometimes when we have deadlines and we need we need to deliver to those deadlines so it's fine if we mess the balance sometimes provided that we make sure how to make up for this imbalance and we make sure how to make it not spill over other aspects of our lives. Thank you. I think that's very important as well. Dr. Raina, thank you for that. Telling us that we need to have time for ourselves and our family as well. Thank you. How about Dr. City. I know you've mentioned this a while ago. Would you like to add some more on how do you manage your time with all the things that you do. Yeah, it's crazy right. But when there's a will, there's a way. Okay, so what I usually do is actually, you know, as I said before, when I train I wake up very early in the morning when the kids are not up yet. I will wake up to run to do other trainings and stuff. And then when I work, I focus 100% with work and then I will do another training right after work and I'll make sure to spend a good time with my kids. And my husband and I'm very, very grateful that my husband is also, he has the same passion as me. You know, actually, he sort of follows me, like when I run, he started to run when I swim, he started to swim when I buy, he started to buy as well. And when we go for international marathons and all that, we bring our kids along. And you know, it's sort of like a family kind of things because I have two grown up kids and another one nine years old. So these two will take care of their baby sister. Yes, thank you Dr. Siti. I think I have a code for that. The family who runs together stays together. Thank you. How about Dr. Namoy, would you like to share the tips on how do you manage your work in life balance? To be honest, I still struggle with work life balance too. And I will learn from you that saying no is the best way. But however, I think that maybe using an application might help me. I use it just for actually one week to like to see that how much time I spend on each activity, which is not so important. And I learned that I use a lot of time spending on the page, which is I think that it says too much. Yeah, so I think I can learn to make work life more balanced. So it's nothing much to say, but yeah, I still have problem with that. There is actually a great tip to monitor our time spent on other activities to know where we need to focus on. So thank you for that great tip, Dr. Namoy. I think we will get some of the questions. We might not be able to ask the questions to our participants due to the interest of time to our panelists rather due to the interest of time. I'll just jump on to go back to Dr. Phoebe. Actually, Dr. Phoebe, with what you said that are situated in a very good position to influence the young doctors to pursue or to pursue in family medicine or in primary care. So maybe the question that some of, and even Dr. Sangka mentioned shared in our chat box that she shared the in Sri Lanka, the residents or the family medicine are sent to sit with the session. So you know that the recent influence of the teachers, the family medicine residents to hone and influence this young student. Maybe my question for you, Dr. Phoebe, is how do you develop your skills in providing feedback to the students and residents knowing that you have such great influence to them? Sure. So I think it's quite interesting they've done studies looking at what students are looking, what students are wanting to get out of their teachers and out of the universities and what they've found is that students really value feedback. But I think what we know is that generally the feedback that's being given is not high quality. So students are being told, oh, you're doing a great job. Keep doing it. Oh, you've got really good skills here, but they're not really being given specific feedback. So I'm actually very passionate about giving good quality feedback, which means it has to be specific. It has to be based on direct observation, which means you have to be able to link it to a particular instance that you've observed with that student or that junior doctor. And it also has to be given in a timely fashion. So it's no good if it's given a month or two months after it. It really has to be given very close to when you've observed that performance and done in a very respectful way. And I think that when when those things come together, then it can really develop that students professional identity and their own skill set as well as help them to understand some skills to develop within within family medicine. The other thing I was going to say with that is that I also receive feedback about my giving feedback. So what my organization does is is we get buddied up for giving feedback. So we will make the direct observation of the student. And then I will provide feedback to the student. And then I ask the student for feedback about my feedback. And then my colleague also gives me feedback with my feedback. So there's a lot of training that's going on behind the scenes to try and make sure that the that this this style and the execution of the feedback is high quality. Because otherwise we do lots of formative assessments where it's filling out all these mini CX is doing all these sorts of things. But if the quality of the feedback is not there, then we know that it really doesn't have much of an impact at all for the students learning. Thank you Dr. Phoebe for that very nice team that we need to have feedback as well to our students and to have feedback on what we how we are doing in giving those feedback. And I think it's important to highlight that we should feedback on what the action on what you observe and not on the personality of the student or the or the yes. So thank you for that Dr. Phoebe. Maybe I'll just go into our last question with the interest of time, Dr. Rina. You mentioned that the health policy should be evidence based to be more effective. So my question maybe is, how do you translate effectively these evidences into policies. Thank you for the question. This is a very, very important question. It's very much. It's probably the essence of health policy and health systems is how to translate knowledge into practice. And it's not an easy thing to do. There's lots of research in this field and lots of centers that are specialized in this. And there are different ways of doing it. Essentially what you need depends on the context where you are practicing you need to understand the context so that you know how to influence decision makers and policymakers in countries where politics is very much infiltrated into the system of health policymaking. You have to know that your approach has to go through politicians. So you need to get what you know from the evidence to the politicians so that eventually you can influence the policy that's that is coming out. And in other systems that have transparent forms of decision making it's much easier to translate evidence into policy and eventually into practice because you have systems in place. For example, there's something called the health technology assessment which is similar to nice in UK or a quick in Germany and they really is to is to generate decision making in health that are based on evidence. And when I say evidence I mean evidence on efficacy effectiveness cost effectiveness, but also other dimensions such as social dimensions and ethical dimensions. So, it's a very important question. The answer very much depends on the country where the country in question because the structure and the political factors, they affect very much how to translate evidence into policy and eventually into practice. Thank you, Dr. Rina for that wonderful answer regarding that question and I think that's why family medicine are such an imposition to be able to influence or to be able to advocate really for health systems change. So, thank you very much. So I think due to the interest of time we will not be able to answer all the questions from of our participants. Our panelists are trying to answer your questions in the chat box. So at this point, I would like to present this certificate of appreciation to our speakers for sharing their experiences with us today. On behalf of the one guy young doctors movement and the radical mar movement, I would like to present the certificate of appreciation to our dear speakers so the certificate rates. The one guy young doctors movement awards the certificate of appreciation to Dr. Phoebe, Odinson Kimura, to Dr. Calhodebeck, to Dr. Leah Alamedin, to Dr. City Shwiza and to Dr. Kwanchana Khamsang-Pradit for sharing their time with us for being a speaker during the webinar alternative career for young doctors, promoted by the one guy young doctors movement held on January 24, 2021. Thank you so much dear doctors for the time. Hopefully, because of our event, our participants are able to realize that there is more to be in a family physician or being a general practitioner or being a primary care physician. We saw that we can pursue our passions and interest and even if we are involved in those different fields, other than health care, we should always bear in mind to promote health, amni-medicine and primary care. So thank you so much doctors. Now reminding everyone to please don't forget to answer the evaluation form. I think Dr. Mia and Dr. Vision already posted the link in the chat box. So your feedback is very important to us and it will help us improve better our future sessions. So I would also like to thank our translators, our young doctors who provided the translation this evening. Dr. Brando and the Waianakei team, thank you so much for helping us out in translating the session for our Spanish colleagues and also to Dr. Loretta Chan for trans and our Chinese young doctors who are translating in Chinese for our Chinese colleagues. So thank you so much, Dr. Brando and Dr. Loretta. At this point, I would like to invite all of you to join the weekly sessions on entrepreneurship of the Rajukumar movement. So we have sessions such as the one conducted by Dr. Cal and we are talking more about their own business and why is there a need for doctors to be engaged in investment and in business. So if for more information, kindly contact Dr. Efren Suwanco. And I would also like to invite you to attend the 60th annual convention and Diamond anniversary of the Philippine Academy of Family Physicians on March 3 to 7. There will be three online sessions of the Rajukumar movement during the convention. For more details, kindly search the link here provided. So to formally close our session, let us hear from Dr. Wong Ping Fu, the chair-elect of the Rajukumar movement. Dr. Ping Fu. Hello, hello. You all can hear me? Yes, okay. So good day and warm greetings to friends and colleagues. I think it's very heartwarming for me to see all family doctors around the world coming together and taking part in this second YDM Wong Ka webinar. I'm sure that everyone is enjoying as much as I do. Thank you very much to all the panelists representative from different regions for the excellent and fantastic presentations. I must say that Family Doctor is a special and unique profession. Not only we have the skills of a true complete doctor, but we are multi-talented, multi-tasker and also multi-resource person. Family doctors around the world continue to progress with time. We have the ability and capability to do things beyond Family Maxon. Finally, thanks Q for joining us. We would like to express our special thanks to Dr. Haris, our new Wong Ka CEO, for taking his time to help us with the technical aspect of Zoom. Dr. Hana, for giving the inspiring opening remarks, Dr. Mel for the great moderating, Dr. Brando and Dr. Roreta for helping us with the translations and all YDM leaders for promoting this webinar. There will be more webinars organized by the YDM Wong Ka and hope to see everyone again in the next one. I would like to take this opportunity to invite young family doctors to join us in Facebook or through the Wong Ka website. We have seven regional YDM Wong Ka and all of us are closely needed. I wish everyone safe and healthy during this COVID-19 pandemic. Till then, may our brotherhood and sisterhood continue to grow stronger each day. Thank you. Thank you so much, Dr. Ping Fu. Please don't forget to answer the evaluation form provided with the link provided in the chat box below. So thank you again, dear doctors. Again, this is Dr. Mela Caveira. Good day to all of you. Good evening and good morning to all over the world and hope to see you again soon in the next Wong Ka YDM webinar. Thank you so much, doctors.